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2014-07-09 09:13:45 PM  
4 votes:

sinisterben: How does one test for Patriarchy?


On th Maury Show, obviously

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2014-07-09 06:57:54 PM  
2 votes:
Stupid submitter, it's Istanbul Sex Assault Regulations now
2014-07-09 04:48:14 PM  
2 votes:

worlddan: Crewmannumber6: I just skimmed the article, but I didn't see anything associated with Byzantium. Was Subby trying to say Draconian?

What does Harry Potter have to do with rape?


Hermione should be along shortly to explain
2014-07-09 03:49:55 PM  
2 votes:

worlddan: ikanreed: JesusJuice: Passed out is not the same as drunk. Drunk people can consent, passed out people cannot.

Except, of course, to contracts, financial deals, weddings, and basically every other class of thing consent if legally required for.  Then suddenly it's too big a deal to just let slide.

I'm never heard of a court invalidating either a wedding or a contract because the person was drunk when they signed the paper. You have some case citation on that point?


Exempt from financial deals because you were drunk?

I need to sue to get back every bar tab I ever paid!!!
2014-07-09 03:33:36 PM  
2 votes:

JackieRabbit: Younger farkers: is or was rape a problem at your school?


I think what's happening is guys are getting douchier and douchier in relationships, so it may be time to address the growing influence that Redtube and Bangbus and all the legions of misogynistic videos are having on the newer generations.

Online porn has effectively desensitized teenagers from understanding what true intimacy really is. It has made teenage girls more experimentative at a time when they probably shouldn't be and it has made boys a lot more misogynistic, selfish and demanding.

So girls: Please understand the difference between rape and just having awful sex with a douchebag. The latter is not rape but do try to avoid both if you can, and stay safe.

And guys: Please stop being selfish douchebags in bed. Online porn is just a fantasy and not in any way resembling how you should actually treat a girl. Be gentle, talk to her, appeal to her needs, kiss her all over (yes, even her hoo-ha), make her come at least once, and snuggle -- before and after. And don't make ANY demands or unreasonable expectations. If she doesn't want to go down on you, don't force her. It's not about you. She's a human being, not a human-sized fleshlight.
2014-07-09 03:31:25 PM  
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Will the nonstop rape carnival never end?

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Ooooh!! I know! Women have falsely accused men of assault and rape before, so that means that I really didn't watch my mother get raped and beaten to death by her boyfriend when I was 5 because 1 false accusations erases all of the ACTUAL attacks.

Did I move on to the bonus round?
2014-07-09 03:12:11 PM  
2 votes:
Khellendros: Justifying your favorite tag of "Sexist Prick"

what's wrong with being sexy?
2014-07-09 02:02:47 PM  
2 votes:
Will the nonstop rape carnival never end?

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2014-07-10 10:19:41 PM  
1 votes:

Inchoate: Because People in power are Stupid: I'm pretty sure he's an alt of Theaetetus. They have the same writing style, the same views and when they interacted on this thread it was used as a (*shudder*) vehicle to share lovemaking tips.

lol

seriously?

Have you actually spent any time reading Fark? Other than "intelligence and confidence in their opinions" those two aren't especially similar.


Amusingly, Ishkur is actually on my ignore list for his trolling in other threads.
2014-07-10 05:54:54 PM  
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Men take more risks


Oh, so you've finally admitted that patriarchy does in fact exist and now you want to move on to justify its continued existence?
2014-07-10 03:51:43 PM  
1 votes:
I bet a fair amount of people in this thread wear trilbys.
2014-07-10 03:34:27 PM  
1 votes:

sinisterben: That's not the overarching patriarchy you are discussing, this is like the Christian claiming god is love. You aren't talking about what you actually believe, you are talking about something much different and greatly diminished from the original claims.


damn son, perhaps you should just quit while you still have some chips left
2014-07-09 09:55:57 PM  
1 votes:

Ishkur: sinisterben: Help me out here is Patriarchy Theory falsifiable? How does one test for Patriarchy?

Patriarchy simply means rule by men.

So look up the leaders and rulers of all social, political, religious, commercial and martial institutions, at the local, state, national and international level. If they are predominantly male and/or if those institutions have special rules restricting access or participation in them from females, then you can safely say that they are patriarchies.


Well, we will be on a patriarchy for a while yet then. Feminism went on a victimhood bender between versions 2.0 and 3.0 and aren't capable of leading a burger flipping shift without getting triggered and needing time off and counselling.

You need confident, dependable, responsible people for certain positions in society, and being the worlds biggest victim (in need of the greatest care) means that is not you.
2014-07-09 08:25:13 PM  
1 votes:

poot_rootbeer: Oh Jesus this thread is full of MRAs.

/quit


"Stop defending yourself!  Stop defending yourself!"
2014-07-09 08:15:05 PM  
1 votes:

Tobin_Lam: tlars699: It's just like handing car keys to another one of your friends, or them forcing you to give them up when they know you've had more than "that one 3 hours ago".

This guy's pretty smart. His posts here have been some of the only ones that actually make any sense at all.


I'm a girl. But we coo. We coo.
2014-07-09 07:37:47 PM  
1 votes:

tlars699: Note: If both parties were arrested for having drunk sex, maybe the divorce rate would go down, because people would stop meeting their "life-mates" at the bar scene.


How else am I supposed to meet "the one" other than at the local psychiatric hospital?  And we already know how that turned out.
2014-07-09 06:06:32 PM  
1 votes:

Elliot8654: Ishkur: JackieRabbit: Younger farkers: is or was rape a problem at your school?

I think what's happening is guys are getting douchier and douchier in relationships, so it may be time to address the growing influence that Redtube and Bangbus and all the legions of misogynistic videos are having on the newer generations.

Online porn has effectively desensitized teenagers from understanding what true intimacy really is. It has made teenage girls more experimentative at a time when they probably shouldn't be and it has made boys a lot more misogynistic, selfish and demanding.

So girls: Please understand the difference between rape and just having awful sex with a douchebag. The latter is not rape but do try to avoid both if you can, and stay safe.

And guys: Please stop being selfish douchebags in bed. Online porn is just a fantasy and not in any way resembling how you should actually treat a girl. Be gentle, talk to her, appeal to her needs, kiss her all over (yes, even her hoo-ha), make her come at least once, and snuggle -- before and after. And don't make ANY demands or unreasonable expectations. If she doesn't want to go down on you, don't force her. It's not about you. She's a human being, not a human-sized fleshlight.

So yeah. That last paragraph;

"Here guys, here is a list of things you should do even if you don't want to. But if a girl doesn't want to do something, too bad".



Yea, but that's being polite in general -- whether in a sexual context or any other context.  You can't force the other person to be decent, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't make the attempt on your end.  Golden Rule and all that.  Women should basically abide by the same (well, similar) list on their end.
2014-07-09 05:58:23 PM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: Khellendros: JackieRabbit: I have been wondering: What the hell is going on here? Have men started raping women on campuses at unprecedented rates? Can college-aged boys be more prone to sexual violence today than in other generations?

I haven't found much concrete about this phenomenon, but the ways that colleges are dealing with it or planning to deal with it pretty much tells the tale: they want to limit or ban alcohol from on-campus functions. This suggests to me me that it is the same-old-same-old: the kiddies get drunk, the girl farks a guy or guys (with some persuasion or not), she either is or fears being slut-shamed and cries rape. Or is something else going on?

Younger farkers: is or was rape a problem at your school?

I don't think it's happening more, it's just finally being treated as unacceptable behavior and a brighter light is being put on it.

"Kids get drunk, kids have sex, better deal with consequences, ladies" is an antiquated way of looking at it.  Today, it's "whatever you did to get there, consent was never given, better deal with the consequences, gentlemen".

I can tell you with no reservation whatsoever that rape was NEVER tolerated when I attended college a quarter-centry ago. So don't give me the "it isn't tolerated now the way it once was." Because this is a myth; it never happened.


I'll get back to you after I stop laughing.

/it's not happy laughter
2014-07-09 05:54:53 PM  
1 votes:

Ishkur: A satisfying night of excellent sex is the best safeguard against morning after awkwardness (in fact, if anything, the morning after should be more sex). If you're not willing to put in the time and effort to get her there, then you have no one to blame but yourself.


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2014-07-09 05:15:56 PM  
1 votes:

Khellendros: Elliot8654: Because getting sex through lying, manipulation, peer pressure, drug use, or a thousand other means only happens to one gender, too.

I'm sorry, we were talking about rape.  You know, sex with at least one non-consenting party?  Not this bullshiat you're peddling.  Other than the drug use example, the rest is piles of false equivalency.


http://www.brissc.org.au/resources/for/for_1.html

Some examples of rape include:
An adult relative uses trickery and bribes to make a child participate in a sexual activity.
A husband/partner manipulates his wife into having sex in order to 'keep the peace' or to 'show that she loves him' or that it is 'her duty' or 'his entitlement'.
A boy/man pressures a girl/woman into having sex when she is not ready.
A man expects a woman to have sex after buying her a drink or dinner.
A man has sex with a woman when she is too drunk or drugged to give or refuse consent.
A general practitioner convinces a woman to undertake an intimate examination when it is unnecessary or inappropriate.


I'm sorry, you were saying?
2014-07-09 05:01:25 PM  
1 votes:
I think we need to gender split universities. In one you put all the males and females, in the other you put all the people who are offended to be asked which they are.

Once all those tumblrites are skimmed off, people can get back to being educated without fear of being accused of shiat by  nutbars.
2014-07-09 05:00:28 PM  
1 votes:

Elliot8654: Oh, and as for my "douchiness", is that why I am cooking steak, pasta, and vegetables for my fiancee?


Was she homeschooled?

Elliot8654: How about instead of making me "fix my douche attitude" you encourage women as well as men to be responsible for themselves.


I did. In my very Boobies. You notice that no woman objected to my advice but the MRAs jumped all over it? That's telling. It means it's not just about women, it's a bigger complex of resisting anything might be tell them how to behave or live, which is probably why MRAs are almost always Libertarians/Objectivists.

For that is truly the heart of the whole MRA ethos: The strident individualist desire to not be controlled by ANY authority, period. They have a fierce resistance toward any group that tries to tell them how to live, how to behave, how to act, how to treat others or even how to function in society. So it all comes from the same core principle: They hate government because it legislates society, they hate religion because it enforces morality, and they also hate minority groups (or any group that's not them: white privileged males) for forcing them to obey some arcane set of social behaviors that they did not sign up for. This is where MRA comes in, which is just a political rally removed from nationalism and a burning cross removed from racism. They don't like other people telling them how they should treat others, especially religions, minorities and women. And most of them hate altruism.

There are various flavors of staunch right-wing individualism, from the mild social libertarians to the ultra-schizophrenic Sovereign Citizens (a group that denies the existence of any social institutions entirely) but most of them fall within the hard Libertarian/Objectivist camp - mostly college-aged males who just read Ayn Rand and realized that society has no right to tell them they aren't allowed to be self-righteous assholes (without consequence, of course). They also tend to be Ron Paul followers.

I would even go so far as to say that many of them are social autistics or at the very least have Aspergers. They don't function well in groups and they don't see the point or purpose in socializing, and this deficiency is what compels them to put up a fierce front when encountered, because when you have an ego as big as they do, it's hard to back down from anything. So you get the Hegelian backlash to feminism in the MRA. They don't like being forced. If you push them, they'll push back no matter what you are: A social, political, religious or racial group.
2014-07-09 04:55:37 PM  
1 votes:

Inchoate: rkiller1: Inchoate: rkiller1: /I have no broken system to futilely fix.

This may be because you're an asshole.

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sick burn bro


Quoting this just so it will show up for him.
2014-07-09 04:46:38 PM  
1 votes:

Inchoate: rkiller1: /I have no broken system to futilely fix.

This may be because you're an asshole.


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2014-07-09 04:40:59 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: poot_rootbeer: Oh Jesus this thread is full of MRAs.
/quit

You just made it proportionally fuller of them.  But have a nice day, you shouldn't suffer just because the rest of us struggle futilely to fix their broken ideological systems.


Is that what we're doing here on Fark?  And I figured this was a humorous, conversational venue with dangling squirrel balls nearby.
/I have no broken system to futilely fix.
2014-07-09 04:39:41 PM  
1 votes:

Khellendros: "Kids get drunk, kids have sex, better deal with consequences, ladies" is an antiquated way of looking at it. Today, it's "whatever you did to get there, consent was never given, better deal with the consequences, gentlemen".


If both parties are drunk, two rapes have been committed.
2014-07-09 04:35:26 PM  
1 votes:

Elliot8654: I would offer to change your mind, but 2 problems:
1) no matter what I say you won't believe me, even if I had other women I had slept with write in here how good I actually am.
2) if I tried to prove it, you don't want it. That would be this thing called rape, which is bad.


Look at that fragile little ego.
2014-07-09 04:29:17 PM  
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Mikey1969: Some people making false claims doesn't let real offenders off of the hook, sorry.

You see mikey this is why my notes on you are 100% correct. Nowhere do I claim to support "real offenders" -only you and the white knight fembot hordes seem to be making this claim.

Anyone pointing out that it is financially lucrative for someone to falsely accuse someone else of rape is akin to 'letting rapists go free' is a false equivalence.

For example Wanetta Gibson made $750,000 after accusing Brian Banks of rape. The only reason she got caught is because she felt remorse.I submit that most women who do this do not feel remorse.


So, what we've learned here today according to The People in Power are Stupid:

1) The majority of rapes reported are false.
2) Those false rapes are as a rule motivated by financial gain.
3) Most women who report to be raped are remorseless sociopaths.

Yeah. Okay.
2014-07-09 04:24:52 PM  
1 votes:

Elliot8654: so in the reverse, if I'm really good at sex, is it not rape now?


That's almost an oxymoron. Is there such a thing as a good rapist? If the girl doesn't want it, you can't make her want it. If the girl wants it and you fail to deliver, you're an awful douchebag who's bad in bed.

Since you have admitted having a number of the latter occurrences, that makes you an awful douchebag who's bad in bed. Complaining to me isn't going to help things. Read some DH Lawrence.
2014-07-09 04:08:17 PM  
1 votes:

Elliot8654: I've had drunken Sex with girls before. The next day we have an awkward chat, age that wasn't the smartest idea, and go on our way.


So you ARE a douchebag who's awful in bed. I called it.

Get better at pleasing her and you won't have those awkward chats. If the girl feels self-conscious the morning after (or grabs her things and leaves before you wake up and does the walk of shame), you farked up. You are terrible at sex.

But at least you're not a rapist.
2014-07-09 04:01:08 PM  
1 votes:

Elliot8654: I've had drunken Sex with girls before. The next day we have an awkward chat, age that wasn't the smartest idea, and go on our way.

If she is incapable of giving consent, then yeah, rape.
But if she is drunk, and she is peeling my clothes off...
I'd I tell her to stop and she won't, who is raping who?


You mean when the other person doesn't see themselves as having been taken advantage of, it's not exactly the same?

Whoa.

You mean, in spite of the fact that you did that, no one came and arrested you, because rape accusations aren't random and coming from nowhere?

Whoa.
2014-07-09 03:57:49 PM  
1 votes:

Ishkur: And guys: Please stop being selfish douchebags in bed. Online porn is just a fantasy and not in any way resembling how you should actually treat a girl. ...It's not about you. ...


wait what? what about the girls that like some of the shiat you see online? you're missing out.


/good times.
2014-07-09 03:55:30 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: Elliot8654: Exempt from financial deals because you were drunk?

I need to sue to get back every bar tab I ever paid!!!

Oh, look, scale and situation matters(guess what courts do with rape cases, really!).  You buy a house while drunk?  Even if you pay cash, it can be invalidated as a transaction.


Do they imprison the person who sold you the house?
They did take advantage of you.
No?
Then how about we agree that rape should be handled differently than buying a car.
2014-07-09 03:54:16 PM  
1 votes:

Elliot8654: So if I don't go down on a girl and if I don't feel like cuddling, she may accuse me of rape?


No, she'll accuse you of being an awful douchebag who's bad in bed (which you probably are as evidenced by your resistance), and that may be worse.

If you want to get to homeplate you have to round the bases. And to do that, you have to learn how to hit the damn ball.

Practice on a peach.
2014-07-09 03:48:20 PM  
1 votes:

thaduke: To be fair, if these regulations were actually 'Byzantine', they would involve gouging someone's eyes out, or cutting off their nose/tongue, and being unbelievably arrogant and superior.  Oh, and being very fickle and combative about your particular version of Christianity.


And then sitting back as Italians and Turks gang-rape you repeatedly...
2014-07-09 03:46:08 PM  
1 votes:

JesusJuice: Passed out is not the same as drunk. Drunk people can consent, passed out people cannot.


Except, of course, to contracts, financial deals, weddings, and basically every other class of thing consent if legally required for.  Then suddenly it's too big a deal to just let slide.
2014-07-09 03:36:02 PM  
1 votes:
Undocumented Sex?
2014-07-09 03:29:23 PM  
1 votes:

Crewmannumber6: I just skimmed the article, but I didn't see anything associated with Byzantium. Was Subby trying to say Draconian?


What does Harry Potter have to do with rape?
2014-07-09 03:26:21 PM  
1 votes:
I just skimmed the article, but I didn't see anything associated with Byzantium. Was Subby trying to say Draconian?
2014-07-09 03:25:36 PM  
1 votes:

mdeesnuts: Sexual 'assault' laws need a major revamping. I know a guy that spent 5 years in prison because he broke up with a girl and her Daddykins filed charges even though he knew they'd been farking under his roof for 2 years and approved - until the break up.

BONUS: They were the same age, but under 18.

/ruined the poor guy's life
//he's now officially a sexual predator


Yes it does... Some of the things you can end up getting put on the list for are ridiculous. Not only that, but a lot of the lists don't have details, so you can't even make an informed judgement.

As for the statutory rape thing, the states that have clauses that don't make it SR if the guy is within 3 years of the girl's age and they're both over 14 or 15(Don't remember these exact details, but you get the gist of it) have a much more sane setup. It also leads to a ridiculous stigma. People call a guy a "pedophile" if the girl is under 18, but that's where they stop thinking. She could be 17 years, 365.24 days old, and since she's not 18, it's "sick" behavior, but if they girl is 18 years and one second, it's suddenly "OK"... I mean, it's not like the "Sexually mature" fairy arrives on the eve of your 18th birthday.

So yeah, I agree that there are plenty of cases where people who don't belong on the registries get there...
2014-07-09 03:16:26 PM  
1 votes:

gopher321: Because People in power are Stupid: Will the nonstop rape carnival never end?

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I'm sure the actual raping going on outweighs a few media-hyped false reports.


I lost a semester of college because of a false rape accusation, actually. Not the end of the world, but still. There's also the whole "getting locked up and having no real idea why" part, it was a very scary five days.
2014-07-09 03:08:14 PM  
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Will the nonstop rape carnival never end?

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Congratulations on two items:

1)  Demonstrating the fallacy of misleading vividness in a nearly perfect way.

2)  Justifying your favorite tag of "Sexist Prick" for at least the third time in the last week.

I commend you.  March on!
 
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