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2014-07-09 05:12:52 PM  

Libelec: I'd rather stick to the fleshlight


TMI
 
2014-07-09 05:13:03 PM  

Ishkur: Elliot8654: Oh, and as for my "douchiness", is that why I am cooking steak, pasta, and vegetables for my fiancee?

Was she homeschooled?

Elliot8654: How about instead of making me "fix my douche attitude" you encourage women as well as men to be responsible for themselves.

I did. In my very Boobies. You notice that no woman objected to my advice but the MRAs jumped all over it? That's telling. It means it's not just about women, it's a bigger complex of resisting anything might be tell them how to behave or live, which is probably why MRAs are almost always Libertarians/Objectivists.

For that is truly the heart of the whole MRA ethos: The strident individualist desire to not be controlled by ANY authority, period. They have a fierce resistance toward any group that tries to tell them how to live, how to behave, how to act, how to treat others or even how to function in society. So it all comes from the same core principle: They hate government because it legislates society, they hate religion because it enforces morality, and they also hate minority groups (or any group that's not them: white privileged males) for forcing them to obey some arcane set of social behaviors that they did not sign up for. This is where MRA comes in, which is just a political rally removed from nationalism and a burning cross removed from racism. They don't like other people telling them how they should treat others, especially religions, minorities and women. And most of them hate altruism.

There are various flavors of staunch right-wing individualism, from the mild social libertarians to the ultra-schizophrenic Sovereign Citizens (a group that denies the existence of any social institutions entirely) but most of them fall within the hard Libertarian/Objectivist camp - mostly college-aged males who just read Ayn Rand and realized that society has no right to tell them they aren't allowed to be self-righteous assholes (without consequence, of course). They also tend to be Ron Paul fol ...



1) No, she went to public high school and has a masters degree.
2) Congrats, you summed up just about none of me. Socially very liberal, fiscally  moderate, primarily egalitarian and in favor of equality.

If you want to know what I am against, please see the following:
https://www.facebook.com/INeedRadicalFeminismBecause
https://www.facebook.com/mens.rights.56?fref=ts

It's not about one group being better, or worse, or mistreating.
It's about everyone having equal treatment.
Drinking doesn't excuse you from your responsibility.
But someone else being drunk doesn't mean you can just sleep with them if you want.

Don't put the pressure on only one gender to be responsible for consent, male or female.
 
2014-07-09 05:15:00 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: There are very few women on Fark and guys outnumber women like 10 to 1.


What's the ratio to MRA douches to guys? I bet there's more females here than MRA douches. Or, there were before you posted your drivel, scaring them away with your douchiness.

Because People in power are Stupid: 3) That's called a Strawman argument and not a very good one. Gender issues are not exclusive to any one political group.


I'm not talking about gender issues, I'm talking about MRAs, a group that knows very little about gender issues.
 
2014-07-09 05:15:08 PM  
God farking dammit when will the current fashion for 'rape is stuff women make up and a liberal industry derp derp' end? It makes news too depressing to even read sometimes.
 
2014-07-09 05:15:56 PM  

Khellendros: Elliot8654: Because getting sex through lying, manipulation, peer pressure, drug use, or a thousand other means only happens to one gender, too.

I'm sorry, we were talking about rape.  You know, sex with at least one non-consenting party?  Not this bullshiat you're peddling.  Other than the drug use example, the rest is piles of false equivalency.


http://www.brissc.org.au/resources/for/for_1.html

Some examples of rape include:
An adult relative uses trickery and bribes to make a child participate in a sexual activity.
A husband/partner manipulates his wife into having sex in order to 'keep the peace' or to 'show that she loves him' or that it is 'her duty' or 'his entitlement'.
A boy/man pressures a girl/woman into having sex when she is not ready.
A man expects a woman to have sex after buying her a drink or dinner.
A man has sex with a woman when she is too drunk or drugged to give or refuse consent.
A general practitioner convinces a woman to undertake an intimate examination when it is unnecessary or inappropriate.


I'm sorry, you were saying?
 
2014-07-09 05:16:05 PM  

Libelec: Ishkur: JackieRabbit: Younger farkers: is or was rape a problem at your school?

I think what's happening is guys are getting douchier and douchier in relationships, so it may be time to address the growing influence that Redtube and Bangbus and all the legions of misogynistic videos are having on the newer generations.

Online porn has effectively desensitized teenagers from understanding what true intimacy really is. It has made teenage girls more experimentative at a time when they probably shouldn't be and it has made boys a lot more misogynistic, selfish and demanding.

So girls: Please understand the difference between rape and just having awful sex with a douchebag. The latter is not rape but do try to avoid both if you can, and stay safe.

And guys: Please stop being selfish douchebags in bed. Online porn is just a fantasy and not in any way resembling how you should actually treat a girl. Be gentle, talk to her, appeal to her needs, kiss her all over (yes, even her hoo-ha), make her come at least once, and snuggle -- before and after.

And don't make ANY demands or unreasonable expectations. If she doesn't want to go down on you, don't force her. It's not about you. She's a human being, not a human-sized fleshlight.


So, don't make any demands or unreasonable expectations, but do all this things we demand, you selfish douchebag?

Thanks, but I'd rather stick to the fleshlight than deal with this level of hypocrisy and double-speech.


I think the line "It's not about you" is even more damning than what you highlighted. I'm a human being too, why am I relegated to being servile to her sexual desires while not even considering my own? Why should it be exclusively about her?
 
2014-07-09 05:17:25 PM  

Elliot8654: If you want to know what I am against


I don't care. We've already concluded that part several posts ago.
 
2014-07-09 05:19:43 PM  

SeriousGeorge: I think the line "It's not about you" is even more damning than what you highlighted. I'm a human being too, why am I relegated to being servile to her sexual desires while not even considering my own? Why should it be exclusively about her?


And I'm sure the peacock thinks "Why the fark do I need this big ass tail? Why the fark should I have to do anything for her? She should just come to me for me, is that not enough?"
 
2014-07-09 05:20:24 PM  

Ishkur: Elliot8654: If you want to know what I am against

I don't care. We've already concluded that part several posts ago.



Then you are no better than the MRA's. 
You want them to learn about you point of view and listen to you, and do what you say.
But you refuse to learn about others, and their points of view.

You are either a well crafted troll, or just a mediocre person.
Have fun being one of those, because people won't respect either.
 
2014-07-09 05:20:55 PM  

ikanreed: Mikey1969: Look, if you are going to open with "But people have falsely accused others of rape", and then backed it up with another "See, this woman made a false accusation", then you are going to be seen as a rape apologist, especially since that seems to be the ONLY card you are playing. If you don't want to be seen as an apologist, then the normal approach would be to take the "Well, I can see both sides of the argument" track.

Except you didn't do that, you just keep throwing out the same tired shiat.

See, what he's pretending here is that because false accusations happen that's the same as being endemic.  The actual rate is insanely low and he offers no solutions because all he wants is to feel oppressed.

That's it.

He just wants to feel oppressed.

We know what the real world data says, but he'd rather portray himself as a victim, extrapolating on a few over-publicized events and insane hypotheticals that don't actually happen.


Yeah, dropping that "rape carnival" line didn't help him start the thread off on a good tone, that's for sure.

hardinparamedic: As someone who has been falsely accused of rape and blackmailed over the situation in the past when he was 19, he's full of shiat. False rape accusations do occur - however, they are the rare exception rather than the rule of reporting. In addition, while it is a destructive way to try to ruin someone's life, it is  exceptionally rare, with  questionable reporting encompassing around 4.6 to 6% of all reported rapes, and false reporting definitively identified in <1% of rape reports.


God, that would totally suck. The blackmailing thing would be the real pisser, though...
 
2014-07-09 05:21:40 PM  

Ishkur: SeriousGeorge: I think the line "It's not about you" is even more damning than what you highlighted. I'm a human being too, why am I relegated to being servile to her sexual desires while not even considering my own? Why should it be exclusively about her?

And I'm sure the peacock thinks "Why the fark do I need this big ass tail? Why the fark should I have to do anything for her? She should just come to me for me, is that not enough?"


Yeah! It's the guy's job to look good and be kind and caring for the girl!
So you aren't even a feminist, you just care about women getting what they want.
Men are second class to that.
So proud of you.
 
2014-07-09 05:23:21 PM  

KawaiiNot: JackieRabbit: I have been wondering: What the hell is going on here? Have men started raping women on campuses at unprecedented rates? Can college-aged boys be more prone to sexual violence today than in other generations?

I haven't found much concrete about this phenomenon, but the ways that colleges are dealing with it or planning to deal with it pretty much tells the tale: they want to limit or ban alcohol from on-campus functions. This suggests to me me that it is the same-old-same-old: the kiddies get drunk, the girl farks a guy or guys (with some persuasion or not), she either is or fears being slut-shamed and cries rape. Or is something else going on?

Younger farkers: is or was rape a problem at your school?

Seriously, I wonder this too. Are more parents failing at raising their boys to be real men these days? It was not an epidemic back when I went to college and was in the military. It happened but it was much more rare. was reported much less often.


FTFY
 
2014-07-09 05:23:41 PM  

Elliot8654: Khellendros: Elliot8654: Because getting sex through lying, manipulation, peer pressure, drug use, or a thousand other means only happens to one gender, too.

I'm sorry, we were talking about rape.  You know, sex with at least one non-consenting party?  Not this bullshiat you're peddling.  Other than the drug use example, the rest is piles of false equivalency.

http://www.brissc.org.au/resources/for/for_1.html

Some examples of rape include:
An adult relative uses trickery and bribes to make a child participate in a sexual activity.
A husband/partner manipulates his wife into having sex in order to 'keep the peace' or to 'show that she loves him' or that it is 'her duty' or 'his entitlement'.
A boy/man pressures a girl/woman into having sex when she is not ready.
A man expects a woman to have sex after buying her a drink or dinner.
A man has sex with a woman when she is too drunk or drugged to give or refuse consent.
A general practitioner convinces a woman to undertake an intimate examination when it is unnecessary or inappropriate.


I'm sorry, you were saying?


From the very first line on that page: "Our definition of rape is broader than most conventional or legal definitions."

I'm sorry, you were saying?
 
2014-07-09 05:23:59 PM  

Libelec: So, don't make any demands or unreasonable expectations, but do all this things we demand, you selfish douchebag?


Yes, it's called courtship, dumbass. You don't have to do all those things if you don't want to, but the upside of not being a total douchebag who's awful at sex is that she doesn't consider you a total douchebag who's awful at sex and possibly a rapist if she's sufficiently motivated to publicly shame your awful-sex doucheness.
 
2014-07-09 05:24:51 PM  

Mikey1969: God, that would totally suck. The blackmailing thing would be the real pisser, though...


The blackmail thing was the only godsend in the whole event. We were able to record he telling my mom that if our family paid them a couple grand, this would all go away. The DA dropped proceedings at that point when we gave him the evidence.

During the case's progression to that point, we found out she had done this to several people in the past in Michigan - which was why her family kicked her to Tennessee in the first place.
 
2014-07-09 05:24:52 PM  

Elliot8654: But you refuse to learn about others, and their points of view.


I already know your point of view. We're done here.
 
2014-07-09 05:25:11 PM  

Ishkur: What weird version of it? Open a farking textbook. Check the rulers of every apex culture, empire and civilization that ever existed -- they're all men. Ancient Rome had ZERO women Senators, ZERO women Consuls, ZERO women Emperors, and women never held any rank in the army.


#1 Don't ever cite the bible as fact to people you are trying to convince of something.
#2 You don't speak for all women for the past 10,000 years -you don't know all of their stories but your brief single sentence that sums up ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY doesn't do them justice. Again, you don't speak for them.

2a) If you want to understand why you are wrong about human culture. Try to convince a woman in Africa not to mutilate her daughters genitals. Try to make your statement about men being in control or something and they will refute you. There is something that you don't really understand and it is called "culture". I can not neatly summarize culture in a pithy little sentence but it involves participation and identity. People throughout history don't necessarily feel oppressed by their own culture because you have some "enlightened" view of their lives that they couldn't have.

#3) The zero women in blah blah, doesn't matter (even if it's wrong). Human beings are animals, mammals more specifically. There are ZERO female gorillas in charge of their troop and a large silverback is almost always preferred. Does this mean that the gorillas are male dominated? (hint: yes) But it doesn't make them wrong. They are just gorillas.

Can we please bring this back to topic rather than going off on a something that I said in some other thread?
 
2014-07-09 05:26:23 PM  

Theaetetus: Elliot8654: Khellendros: Elliot8654: Because getting sex through lying, manipulation, peer pressure, drug use, or a thousand other means only happens to one gender, too.

I'm sorry, we were talking about rape.  You know, sex with at least one non-consenting party?  Not this bullshiat you're peddling.  Other than the drug use example, the rest is piles of false equivalency.

http://www.brissc.org.au/resources/for/for_1.html

Some examples of rape include:
An adult relative uses trickery and bribes to make a child participate in a sexual activity.
A husband/partner manipulates his wife into having sex in order to 'keep the peace' or to 'show that she loves him' or that it is 'her duty' or 'his entitlement'.
A boy/man pressures a girl/woman into having sex when she is not ready.
A man expects a woman to have sex after buying her a drink or dinner.
A man has sex with a woman when she is too drunk or drugged to give or refuse consent.
A general practitioner convinces a woman to undertake an intimate examination when it is unnecessary or inappropriate.


I'm sorry, you were saying?

From the very first line on that page: "Our definition of rape is broader than most conventional or legal definitions."

I'm sorry, you were saying?


Yeah, those are only the definitions on which a rape accusation can be made.
Or i'm sorry, is this only about finding someone guilty of rape?
Cuz last I checked, college rape accusations and rules are rather different from criminal prosecutions.
And this article was about college proceedings, not federal law.
 
2014-07-09 05:27:17 PM  

ikanreed: JesusJuice: Passed out is not the same as drunk. Drunk people can consent, passed out people cannot.

Except, of course, to contracts, financial deals, weddings, and basically every other class of thing consent if legally required for.  Then suddenly it's too big a deal to just let slide.


If drunk sex is rape, I am an unrepentant serial rapist.
 
2014-07-09 05:27:41 PM  

Ishkur: Elliot8654: But you refuse to learn about others, and their points of view.

I already know your point of view. We're done here.


Yeah, my awful, evil point of view about personal responsibility, accountability for one's own actions (Men and women).
I'm such a monster.

Remind me again, which of us told the other gender how we are supposed to behave in bed, and how we will be berated if we don't perform to your standards?
 
2014-07-09 05:27:50 PM  
Elliot8654:

Why is it everyone is always totally one sided?
If a woman wants equality, fine. We are all equally responsible for our actions.


1) People are one-sided for a few reasons.  One - They are trolling.  Two - They are sincerely holding an untenable and inflexible point of view because somehow facts may threaten the bubbled of cognitive dissonance that they live in like a big snuggle baby blanket.  Three - They are lawyers at heart and are simply taking an opposite point of view to exercise mentally (frustrating for people who can't tell...resembles trolling).

2) Women despite protestations to the contrary do not want equality.  Equality would mean equal responsibilities socially as well as equality in rights.  equality for women would upset the apple cart big time in many ways legally.  From divorce court to criminal court...from selective service (in the USA) to voluntary military service things would change.

Right now if you are a women in the USA you are exempt from the selective service (compulsory military service if Congress ever reactivates the draft).  In the military we have reduced physical requirements in many areas to allow women to compete with men.  Men if women are not aware are even at the same weight and height usually considerably stronger with all else being equal.  Men just have more muscle mass oh and that testosterone thing.

That isn't to say there aren't roles for each to play...there are.  And there is room for some *some* crossover.  But largely women desire all the rights with either reduced or modified responsibility.  And men?  Well we're big evil stupid rape machines so we owe them for centuries of oppression.

But I have yet to speak with a woman that truly wants equality.
 
2014-07-09 05:29:37 PM  

Elliot8654: Some examples of rape include:
An adult relative uses trickery and bribes to make a child participate in a sexual activity.
A husband/partner manipulates his wife into having sex in order to 'keep the peace' or to 'show that she loves him' or that it is 'her duty' or 'his entitlement'.
A boy/man pressures a girl/woman into having sex when she is not ready.
A man expects a woman to have sex after buying her a drink or dinner.
A man has sex with a woman when she is too drunk or drugged to give or refuse consent.
A general practitioner convinces a woman to undertake an intimate examination when it is unnecessary or inappropriate.


I'm sorry, you were saying?


Most of those are obvious cases, and the post does nothing to back up your implied claim.  Rape, in most cases, is easily defined and easy to interpret, and in nearly all cases in perpetrated by males.  Hard to prove, obviously, making it very hard for women to get justice.

Using your above list:

1)  Children can't be consenting parties.  Duh.  Nearly 100% of cases are males as the perpetrator.
2)  Was there a threat involved?  If so, one party wasn't freely consenting. Typically male pepetrator, but some females as well.
3)  Define "pressure".  Too vague to evaluate.
4)  "Expectations" are not rape.  Sex with a non-consenting person is rape.  The example cites males as the perpetrator.
5)  Non consenting party, again.  Duh.  The example itself cites males as the perpetrator.
6)  Not medically necessary?  Duh again.

So what was your point by attempting to argue that both sexes have some sort of equal share in this?  Most of the examples you used are clear examples of what I states - sex with a non-consenting party - and are often defined as a male problem, or statistically are entirely perpetrated by males.  Exactly as I stated.
 
2014-07-09 05:30:05 PM  

JesusJuice: ikanreed: JesusJuice: Passed out is not the same as drunk. Drunk people can consent, passed out people cannot.

Except, of course, to contracts, financial deals, weddings, and basically every other class of thing consent if legally required for.  Then suddenly it's too big a deal to just let slide.

If drunk sex is rape, I am an unrepentant serial rapist.



Yeah, I got drunk and masturbated once. I mean, i said no to myself, but i was hard, so i must have really wanted it.
Did I rape myself?
 
2014-07-09 05:32:13 PM  

Elliot8654: Yeah, those are only the definitions on which a rape accusation can be made.


Uh, no, they aren't. As it says in your link: "Our definition takes into account that a person may feel as if they have been raped in circumstances that are not legally defined as constituting rape. "

Look, I get it - you did a quick Google search, found something that kinda fits what you were saying, and quoted and linked to it without bothering to actually read the page. Now that you've been called on it, you're trying to double down, rather than doing the adult thing and admitting that it wasn't the best cite.
 
2014-07-09 05:32:34 PM  

Khellendros: Elliot8654: Some examples of rape include:
An adult relative uses trickery and bribes to make a child participate in a sexual activity.
A husband/partner manipulates his wife into having sex in order to 'keep the peace' or to 'show that she loves him' or that it is 'her duty' or 'his entitlement'.
A boy/man pressures a girl/woman into having sex when she is not ready.
A man expects a woman to have sex after buying her a drink or dinner.
A man has sex with a woman when she is too drunk or drugged to give or refuse consent.
A general practitioner convinces a woman to undertake an intimate examination when it is unnecessary or inappropriate.


I'm sorry, you were saying?

Most of those are obvious cases, and the post does nothing to back up your implied claim.  Rape, in most cases, is easily defined and easy to interpret, and in nearly all cases in perpetrated by males.  Hard to prove, obviously, making it very hard for women to get justice.

Using your above list:

1)  Children can't be consenting parties.  Duh.  Nearly 100% of cases are males as the perpetrator.
2)  Was there a threat involved?  If so, one party wasn't freely consenting. Typically male pepetrator, but some females as well.
3)  Define "pressure".  Too vague to evaluate.
4)  "Expectations" are not rape.  Sex with a non-consenting person is rape.  The example cites males as the perpetrator.
5)  Non consenting party, again.  Duh.  The example itself cites males as the perpetrator.
6)  Not medically necessary?  Duh again.

So what was your point by attempting to argue that both sexes have some sort of equal share in this?  Most of the examples you used are clear examples of what I states - sex with a non-consenting party - and are often defined as a male problem, or statistically are entirely perpetrated by males.  Exactly as I stated.


If 90% of the time it's men perpetrating a crime, then 90% of the people arrested and imprisoned should be men. I fully agree.
But to claim that it can't happen because if guys get drunk they cant get hard, so they can't rape is asinine.
Which was the implied claim of a previous post by someone else.
 
2014-07-09 05:32:57 PM  

Elliot8654: Yeah, I got drunk and masturbated once. I mean, i said no to myself, but i was hard, so i must have really wanted it.
Did I rape myself?


Is being that stupid something you were born with, or did you have to repeatedly strike yourself in the head and practice to get that way?
 
2014-07-09 05:33:49 PM  

Theaetetus: Elliot8654: Yeah, those are only the definitions on which a rape accusation can be made.

Uh, no, they aren't. As it says in your link: "Our definition takes into account that a person may feel as if they have been raped in circumstances that are not legally defined as constituting rape. "

Look, I get it - you did a quick Google search, found something that kinda fits what you were saying, and quoted and linked to it without bothering to actually read the page. Now that you've been called on it, you're trying to double down, rather than doing the adult thing and admitting that it wasn't the best cite.


It doesn't matter what I cite, nothing is a "good site".
Yeah, it's mediocre, i admit.
But the point stands. Coercion and intimidation to get sex counts as rape.
That was the whole point.
Sorry if my attempt to find some website to back up what should be basic common sense while I am in a big hurry wasn't the best.
 
2014-07-09 05:34:32 PM  

Elliot8654: JesusJuice: ikanreed: JesusJuice: Passed out is not the same as drunk. Drunk people can consent, passed out people cannot.

Except, of course, to contracts, financial deals, weddings, and basically every other class of thing consent if legally required for.  Then suddenly it's too big a deal to just let slide.

If drunk sex is rape, I am an unrepentant serial rapist.

Yeah, I got drunk and masturbated once. I mean, i said no to myself, but i was hard, so i must have really wanted it.
Did I rape myself?


Were you incapacitated? Y'know, like the statutes require, rather than merely "buzzed", as you and the other rape apologists like to pretend?
 
2014-07-09 05:35:18 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Don't ever cite the bible as fact


You don't think those things were written in the Bible? And that people didn't follow them and apply them in their daily lives, and some religious sects still do today? You don't think that happens? .....how deliberately obtuse are you?

Because People in power are Stupid: You don't speak for all women for the past 10,000 years -you don't know all of their stories but your brief single sentence that sums up ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY doesn't do them justice. Again, you don't speak for them.


Of course not -- no one can speak for women because their stories were not written. Because they were kept illiterate, ignorant, and homebound by men. And we know this because this is what men told us they did with women, all throughout history, in their documents.

Because People in power are Stupid: If you want to understand why you are wrong about human culture.


I take it you are neither an anthropologist, economist, sociologist or demographer, and you quite simply do not have the knowledge or the education to even attempt to assert that you know what you are talking about.

Because People in power are Stupid: There are ZERO female gorillas


We're not gorillas.

And the fact that human cultures were at one time egalitarian (before the Age of Agriculture) suggests that our gender roles are fairly more nuanced and complicated than other sapien species, and that patriarchy is a function of social organization and not an endemic evolutionary trait of the species.
 
2014-07-09 05:36:08 PM  

hardinparamedic: Elliot8654: Yeah, I got drunk and masturbated once. I mean, i said no to myself, but i was hard, so i must have really wanted it.
Did I rape myself?

Is being that stupid something you were born with, or did you have to repeatedly strike yourself in the head and practice to get that way?


No, i'm just getting sick of trying to explain to one person that responsibility for your own actions is a good thing, and that men don't have to cowtow to women for sex.
And I'm just frustrated that people think "drank too much or held down and forced" is the only case where unwanted sex can occur.
 
2014-07-09 05:36:29 PM  

fireclown: gopher321: Because People in power are Stupid: Will the nonstop rape carnival never end?

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I'm sure the actual raping going on outweighs a few media-hyped false reports.

It's still a serious, although separate problem.  The entire subject is serious, and has consequences.  False accusations should be dealt with harshly.

On to the main point:  Ladies: do not go to a college administrator if you are raped.  Go to the police.


As a former college administrator: THIS.

And if the local town cops try to point you back towards campus, go elsewhere. State police, DA, hire an attorney. But most police are getting better about handling this properly.

It's not like I was ever instructed to cover anything up, btw. But the response is too incoherent and unpredictable at the level of any individual school for me to give any other advice. What amounts to cover-ups is still a huge problem.

Kudos to the Obama administration for grappling with the issue. It needs federal leadership. Few schools are willing to implement proper and public reporting unless every other school does it too, because most parents are stupid enough to think that the school not reporting it must not have a problem with it. So they need someone to force them to all do it together.
 
2014-07-09 05:37:13 PM  

Theaetetus: Elliot8654: JesusJuice: ikanreed: JesusJuice: Passed out is not the same as drunk. Drunk people can consent, passed out people cannot.

Except, of course, to contracts, financial deals, weddings, and basically every other class of thing consent if legally required for.  Then suddenly it's too big a deal to just let slide.

If drunk sex is rape, I am an unrepentant serial rapist.

Yeah, I got drunk and masturbated once. I mean, i said no to myself, but i was hard, so i must have really wanted it.
Did I rape myself?

Were you incapacitated? Y'know, like the statutes require, rather than merely "buzzed", as you and the other rape apologists like to pretend?


Since when was i a "rape apologist"?
Did i miss something where I ever said "yeah, she was asking for it"? or "she deserved it"?
I seem to recall my entire point since moment one being "people, be responsible for your actions.
 
2014-07-09 05:37:29 PM  

hardinparamedic: Mikey1969: God, that would totally suck. The blackmailing thing would be the real pisser, though...

The blackmail thing was the only godsend in the whole event. We were able to record he telling my mom that if our family paid them a couple grand, this would all go away. The DA dropped proceedings at that point when we gave him the evidence.

During the case's progression to that point, we found out she had done this to several people in the past in Michigan - which was why her family kicked her to Tennessee in the first place.


That's very good to hear, because otherwise, it would be the salt in the wound and the twist of the knife, not only false accusations, but having to pay the person who's lying(Not that blackmail is ever good, but it's exponentially worse when the shiat you're paying for never happened) is horrible.
 
2014-07-09 05:37:38 PM  

Elliot8654: Remind me again, which of us told the other gender how we are supposed to behave in bed, and how we will be berated if we don't perform to your standards?


It's not how you're supposed to behave, but if you want to avoid being a douchebag who's awful at sex, and possibly a rapist, it's recommended.

Fair tradeoff if you ask me.
 
2014-07-09 05:38:40 PM  

MBooda: "evade", Subby?

Judging from the article, more like "comply with".


Yup. Subby is both an idiot and an ass. Quite the talent.
 
2014-07-09 05:40:02 PM  

Ishkur: Elliot8654: Remind me again, which of us told the other gender how we are supposed to behave in bed, and how we will be berated if we don't perform to your standards?

It's not how you're supposed to behave, but if you want to avoid being a douchebag who's awful at sex, and possibly a rapist, it's recommended.

Fair tradeoff if you ask me.


The end of that sentence sums up why i don't take you seriously " if you want to avoid being a douchebag who's awful at sex, and possibly a rapist, it's recommended. "

So if we suck at sex, we may get accused of rape.
And you wonder why MRA groups bring up false rape claims so much.
Because you imply by this sentence that being bad at sex may get us accused of rape.
Thank you so much.
 
2014-07-09 05:40:22 PM  

Elliot8654: Theaetetus: Elliot8654: JesusJuice: ikanreed: JesusJuice: Passed out is not the same as drunk. Drunk people can consent, passed out people cannot.

Except, of course, to contracts, financial deals, weddings, and basically every other class of thing consent if legally required for.  Then suddenly it's too big a deal to just let slide.

If drunk sex is rape, I am an unrepentant serial rapist.

Yeah, I got drunk and masturbated once. I mean, i said no to myself, but i was hard, so i must have really wanted it.
Did I rape myself?

Were you incapacitated? Y'know, like the statutes require, rather than merely "buzzed", as you and the other rape apologists like to pretend?

Since when was i a "rape apologist"?


The part where you equated "getting drunk" and "saying no to yourself" to rape. It's quoted in this post, if you can't remember that far.

Did i miss something where I ever said "yeah, she was asking for it"? or "she deserved it"?
I seem to recall my entire point since moment one being "people, be responsible for your actions.


If someone is incapacitated, then by definition, they cannot "be responsible for their actions." Your "entire point" is either the most ignorant piece of drivel I've seen in a while, or it's a rape apology.
 
2014-07-09 05:42:28 PM  

Ishkur: Because People in power are Stupid: There are very few women on Fark and guys outnumber women like 10 to 1.

What's the ratio to MRA douches to guys? I bet there's more females here than MRA douches. Or, there were before you posted your drivel, scaring them away with your douchiness.


Do you really want to trade insults with me? I can tell you right now from your general demeanor that I can use 'hurtful words' much more effectively than you can. But if you keep using the invective voice, I guarantee that your posts are going to start getting deleted.

Going back to something you said earlier:

Ishkur: Yes, I said that. Do you dispute it? How?

And of course you said: MEN TAKE ALL THE RISKS.

No they don't. Go to Vegas, women gamble just as much as men.

What's really going on is men are more competitive and men are more aggressive. They will fight each other over power (and even over women ie: their property). That doesn't necessarily mean they take more risks nor are they better in leadership roles, nor does it mean women must be relegated to second-class citizens.


That men take more risks is a well established FACT.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/evolution/9005552/Men-twice-as-li ke ly-to-take-risks.html
That's a source.

Do you have a source for "no, they don't"?

I didn't think so.
 
2014-07-09 05:43:04 PM  

Theaetetus: Elliot8654: Theaetetus: Elliot8654: JesusJuice: ikanreed: JesusJuice: Passed out is not the same as drunk. Drunk people can consent, passed out people cannot.

Except, of course, to contracts, financial deals, weddings, and basically every other class of thing consent if legally required for.  Then suddenly it's too big a deal to just let slide.

If drunk sex is rape, I am an unrepentant serial rapist.

Yeah, I got drunk and masturbated once. I mean, i said no to myself, but i was hard, so i must have really wanted it.
Did I rape myself?

Were you incapacitated? Y'know, like the statutes require, rather than merely "buzzed", as you and the other rape apologists like to pretend?

Since when was i a "rape apologist"?

The part where you equated "getting drunk" and "saying no to yourself" to rape. It's quoted in this post, if you can't remember that far.

Did i miss something where I ever said "yeah, she was asking for it"? or "she deserved it"?
I seem to recall my entire point since moment one being "people, be responsible for your actions.

If someone is incapacitated, then by definition, they cannot "be responsible for their actions." Your "entire point" is either the most ignorant piece of drivel I've seen in a while, or it's a rape apology.



So.......you apparently don't get humor, or rhetoric, or a dumb joke, or any of these concepts, eh?
 
2014-07-09 05:43:15 PM  

Elliot8654: The end of that sentence sums up why i don't take you seriously " if you want to avoid being a douchebag who's awful at sex, and possibly a rapist, it's recommended. "

So if we suck at sex, we may get accused of rape.


If your victim is incapacitated, then it goes a bit farther than you sucking at sex.
 
2014-07-09 05:43:57 PM  
Wow. Reading these comments make me incredibly angry. Most of them are about false accusations and women controlling themselves and a few people who actually understand the problem (a few). Rape is not about sex. It is about domination, control, and violence. The fact that so few people on here understand what rape is justifies how much we need to fix this issue. I went through it in college. It was awful and I ended up dropping out. The police and campus nurse were exacerbated because they said there was nothing I could do and basically treated me like I was making it up (because I was too afraid and embarrassed to get prompt medical attention and only went when I wasn't healing). My friends who found out didn't believe me and still stayed friends with my rapist, taking "his side." And trust me, this was not something I wanted people to find out because of the slut shaming that happens. It was humiliating and awful. It was painful and embarrassing. It was a social nightmare and felt like I was in a twilight zone. Worst of all is my loss of confidence and control over how I though and who I was as a person. If that hadn't happened, who knows, maybe I would have finished my goal of becoming an aeronautical engineer (a career in which women are poorly represented).
 
2014-07-09 05:45:09 PM  

Theaetetus: Elliot8654: The end of that sentence sums up why i don't take you seriously " if you want to avoid being a douchebag who's awful at sex, and possibly a rapist, it's recommended. "

So if we suck at sex, we may get accused of rape.

If your victim is incapacitated, then it goes a bit farther than you sucking at sex.


Agreed. But that's not what was referred to in the original post.
Go up and read the whole tirade on how "a man is supposed to treat a woman"
Despite the attitude that women don't "owe" men anything, but we owe them everything she is demanding.
That's my problem with all this.
equality, please.
 
2014-07-09 05:45:27 PM  

Elliot8654: So.......you apparently don't get humor, or rhetoric, or a dumb joke, or any of these concepts, eh?


You're trying to make a rhetorical point or dumb joke about rape being merely drunk sex... who is supposed to find that funny, exactly?
Rape victims? Of course not.
Normal people? Nope.
Rapists? There you go.

I'm not saying you're a rapist, but you're certainly doing your best to entertain them.
 
2014-07-09 05:47:36 PM  

Elliot8654: Theaetetus: Elliot8654: The end of that sentence sums up why i don't take you seriously " if you want to avoid being a douchebag who's awful at sex, and possibly a rapist, it's recommended. "

So if we suck at sex, we may get accused of rape.

If your victim is incapacitated, then it goes a bit farther than you sucking at sex.

Agreed. But that's not what was referred to in the original post.


The original post had a bunch of acts which included corresponding responses - in other words, not possible with an incapacitated person.

Go up and read the whole tirade on how "a man is supposed to treat a woman"
Despite the attitude that women don't "owe" men anything, but we owe them everything she is demanding.
That's my problem with all this.
equality, please.


You're the one making a bunch of dumb rape jokes, and yet you claim you're just trying to ask for equality? You're going about it in the worst way possible, you know.
 
2014-07-09 05:48:31 PM  

JesusJuice: spiritplumber: gopher321: Because People in power are Stupid: Will the nonstop rape carnival never end?

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I'm sure the actual raping going on outweighs a few media-hyped false reports.

I lost a semester of college because of a false rape accusation, actually. Not the end of the world, but still. There's also the whole "getting locked up and having no real idea why" part, it was a very scary five days.

Something similar happened to me. She hadn't gone to the police yet but seemed to be moving in that direction. Luckily I had a few things on her that she preferred be kept private and we were able to come to an understanding.


So, first it was rape, then blackmail to keep her quiet about the rape?
 
2014-07-09 05:48:47 PM  

Theaetetus: Elliot8654: Theaetetus: Elliot8654: The end of that sentence sums up why i don't take you seriously " if you want to avoid being a douchebag who's awful at sex, and possibly a rapist, it's recommended. "

So if we suck at sex, we may get accused of rape.

If your victim is incapacitated, then it goes a bit farther than you sucking at sex.

Agreed. But that's not what was referred to in the original post.

The original post had a bunch of acts which included corresponding responses - in other words, not possible with an incapacitated person.

Go up and read the whole tirade on how "a man is supposed to treat a woman"
Despite the attitude that women don't "owe" men anything, but we owe them everything she is demanding.
That's my problem with all this.
equality, please.

You're the one making a bunch of dumb rape jokes, and yet you claim you're just trying to ask for equality? You're going about it in the worst way possible, you know.


Tried going about it in a good way. Got berated and insulted and ridiculed.
Figured if I'm going to be treated like a rapist shiatbag, might as well make bad jokes about it.
 
2014-07-09 05:49:19 PM  

KawaiiNot: JackieRabbit: I have been wondering: What the hell is going on here? Have men started raping women on campuses at unprecedented rates? Can college-aged boys be more prone to sexual violence today than in other generations?

I haven't found much concrete about this phenomenon, but the ways that colleges are dealing with it or planning to deal with it pretty much tells the tale: they want to limit or ban alcohol from on-campus functions. This suggests to me me that it is the same-old-same-old: the kiddies get drunk, the girl farks a guy or guys (with some persuasion or not), she either is or fears being slut-shamed and cries rape. Or is something else going on?

Younger farkers: is or was rape a problem at your school?

Seriously, I wonder this too. Are more parents failing at raising their boys to be real men these days? It was not an epidemic back when I went to college and was in the military. It happened but it was much more rare.


Yes, it was an epidemic. No, it was not more rare.

People just didn't talk about it then. It wasn't rape... it was "a misunderstanding." It was "boys being boys." It was girls "leading boys on." It was girls "overreacting" and becoming "hysterical."

It was a prevalent attitude that kept thousands of women from ever reporting it. That punished those who did report it. That swept these things under the carpet, never to see judicial resolution or reach public awareness.

I've got to say, it's taking me a lot of effort to explain this. What I really want to do is look amazed and half-shout "are you kidding me? Does anyone really still think this way anymore?"

Look, either the world has inexplicably gotten so very much worse in a mere 50 years, or we're finally talking about a problem that has always existed. Which seems more likely to you?
 
2014-07-09 05:53:00 PM  

Elliot8654: So if we suck at sex, we may get accused of rape.


Depends on the woman, but I wouldn't put it past her. Are you willing to take that chance?

See, here's where you and MRAs fail so hard: You think it's easier to get the women to change, and you're actively lobbying for that on the Internet. But I think it's much easier to just change yourselves. Worried about false rape accusations? Don't give her any reasons to falsely accuse you of rape. A satisfying night of excellent sex is the best safeguard against morning after awkwardness (in fact, if anything, the morning after should be more sex). If you're not willing to put in the time and effort to get her there, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

Take responsibility!
 
2014-07-09 05:54:53 PM  

Ishkur: A satisfying night of excellent sex is the best safeguard against morning after awkwardness (in fact, if anything, the morning after should be more sex). If you're not willing to put in the time and effort to get her there, then you have no one to blame but yourself.


pillscout.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-09 05:55:14 PM  

Ishkur: JackieRabbit: Younger farkers: is or was rape a problem at your school?

I think what's happening is guys are getting douchier and douchier in relationships, so it may be time to address the growing influence that Redtube and Bangbus and all the legions of misogynistic videos are having on the newer generations.

Online porn has effectively desensitized teenagers from understanding what true intimacy really is. It has made teenage girls more experimentative at a time when they probably shouldn't be and it has made boys a lot more misogynistic, selfish and demanding.

So girls: Please understand the difference between rape and just having awful sex with a douchebag. The latter is not rape but do try to avoid both if you can, and stay safe.

And guys: Please stop being selfish douchebags in bed. Online porn is just a fantasy and not in any way resembling how you should actually treat a girl. Be gentle, talk to her, appeal to her needs, kiss her all over (yes, even her hoo-ha), make her come at least once, and snuggle -- before and after. And don't make ANY demands or unreasonable expectations. If she doesn't want to go down on you, don't force her. It's not about you. She's a human being, not a human-sized fleshlight.


Ho. Lee. Shiat.

Never thought I'd see *that* utterly ridiculous and thoroughly repulsive myth/excuse again.

Just... just stop posting anything ever about rape again. Just stop.
 
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