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2014-07-09 04:14:25 PM  

Raoul Eaton: worlddan: monoski: Really $150k a year salary is called profiteering???

Well, that was one way to out yourself as part of the 1%. Nice. job.


Well, no.  That's not an unusual salary for an experienced lawyer, and it's nowhere near being part of the 1%.


So you going to defend greed on the basis of being out of touch? Niiiiiice.
 
2014-07-09 04:14:55 PM  

JackieRabbit: I said nothing of the sort. I said having consensual sex while drunk is not rape. To suggest that just because one is drunk one cannot grant consent is absurd. Using that logic, if one is drunk and asks for a ride home, one can later claim to have been kidnapped.


Altered states are a gray area.
If there's already a relationship between the two people, and if this problem matters to them, they often will have talked about their boundaries.

If there's not... how impaired is the other person? If they're to the point where they have marked difficulty speaking clearly or walking straight, the judgment center of their brain is proper farked (and their memory may not be "recording"). They are walking robots, of a sort. That's generally the level of drunk that people mean when they talk about drunk consent, not "tipsy and merry and bolder than usual".

Being fooled around with while you're stumbling blackout drunk is not a good experience, at all. If it's not rape (and there are good arguments that it is), it's really farking creepy. And yeah, that's regardless of the perpetrator's gender.
 
2014-07-09 04:15:11 PM  

Corvus: Elliot8654: Corvus: Elliot8654: Corvus: Elliot8654: Corvus: Because People in power are Stupid: An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.

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So why doesn't that work both ways?

Why do we have to repeal the laws so that more men get off legitimating raping women on the basis that some women make false allegations?

So one way or another someone's life gets ruined when rape claims occur.

The rape happened:the woman is scarred for life.
The rape didn't happen: the guy essentially has to try to restart his life elsewhere.

No you have courts judge if the evidence says someone is guilty or not. You don't just make it legal to rape women.

Agreed.
Except the small problem where when the case is dismissed, the guy still gets run out of town.
Last time I checked, rape is illegal. No one at all is saying it shouldn't be, and I'd you think they are, you are an imbecile.

People in this very thread are saying that if woman is drunk and a guy has sex with her that shouldn't be considered rape.

They are in this thread right here.

I've had drunken Sex with girls before. The next day we have an awkward chat, age that wasn't the smartest idea, and go on our way.

If she is incapable of giving consent, then yeah, rape.
But if she is drunk, and she is peeling my clothes off...
I'd I tell her to stop and she won't, who is raping who?

But your not trying to say the laws are changed right to make them more restrictive? You just said no one in this thread was doing it. You are 100% ok with the rape laws how they are written?


no, but I thinks the very concept is far too complicated to sum up in a piece of paper what is and is not raped in all cases.

the principles of informed consent alone are so complicated that there are medical professionals who argue that patients are incapable of giving informed consent as they can not fully understand the possible risks associated with what they do.
 
2014-07-09 04:23:36 PM  

Mikey1969: Some people making false claims doesn't let real offenders off of the hook, sorry.


You see mikey this is why my notes on you are 100% correct. Nowhere do I claim to support "real offenders" -only you and the white knight fembot hordes seem to be making this claim.

Anyone pointing out that it is financially lucrative for someone to falsely accuse someone else of rape is akin to 'letting rapists go free' is a false equivalence.

For example Wanetta Gibson made $750,000 after accusing Brian Banks of rape. The only reason she got caught is because she felt remorse.I submit that most women who do this do not feel remorse.
 
2014-07-09 04:24:44 PM  
My beloved wife won't let me date other women, which is what I said "I Do" for .. so, not relevant to my interests.
 
2014-07-09 04:24:52 PM  

Elliot8654: so in the reverse, if I'm really good at sex, is it not rape now?


That's almost an oxymoron. Is there such a thing as a good rapist? If the girl doesn't want it, you can't make her want it. If the girl wants it and you fail to deliver, you're an awful douchebag who's bad in bed.

Since you have admitted having a number of the latter occurrences, that makes you an awful douchebag who's bad in bed. Complaining to me isn't going to help things. Read some DH Lawrence.
 
2014-07-09 04:28:45 PM  

worlddan: monoski: Really $150k a year salary is called profiteering???

Well, that was one way to out yourself as part of the 1%. Nice. job.


are you trolling? thats approximately what an average job that *requires actual skill and expensive education* pays. and after debt, and healthy family expenses its not even that much. 1%er makes about half a mil iirc
 
2014-07-09 04:29:17 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Mikey1969: Some people making false claims doesn't let real offenders off of the hook, sorry.

You see mikey this is why my notes on you are 100% correct. Nowhere do I claim to support "real offenders" -only you and the white knight fembot hordes seem to be making this claim.

Anyone pointing out that it is financially lucrative for someone to falsely accuse someone else of rape is akin to 'letting rapists go free' is a false equivalence.

For example Wanetta Gibson made $750,000 after accusing Brian Banks of rape. The only reason she got caught is because she felt remorse.I submit that most women who do this do not feel remorse.


So, what we've learned here today according to The People in Power are Stupid:

1) The majority of rapes reported are false.
2) Those false rapes are as a rule motivated by financial gain.
3) Most women who report to be raped are remorseless sociopaths.

Yeah. Okay.
 
2014-07-09 04:31:54 PM  

Ishkur: Elliot8654: so in the reverse, if I'm really good at sex, is it not rape now?

That's almost an oxymoron. Is there such a thing as a good rapist? If the girl doesn't want it, you can't make her want it. If the girl wants it and you fail to deliver, you're an awful douchebag who's bad in bed.

Since you have admitted having a number of the latter occurrences, that makes you an awful douchebag who's bad in bed. Complaining to me isn't going to help things. Read some DH Lawrence.


I would offer to change your mind, but 2 problems:
1) no matter what I say you won't believe me, even if I had other women I had slept with write in here how good I actually am.
2) if I tried to prove it, you don't want it. That would be this thing called rape, which is bad.
 
2014-07-09 04:34:41 PM  

worlddan: LOL. Now there is a pouty face translated into words. It actualy takes some craft to do that, so good for you.



Translation "I've got absolutely no credibility, better pretend you're angry about it"

The fact that you can't admit that you're completely and utterly wrong isn't my problem, bro.  It's easy to cite your own sources.
 
2014-07-09 04:34:56 PM  
"[the] vast majority of female students allegedly raped on campus are actually voicing buyer's remorse from alcohol-fueled promiscuous behavior involving murky lines of consent on both sides. It's true. It's their get-out-of-guilt-free card, you know, like Monopoly."

-Barbara Kay, speaker at the first International Conference on Men's Rights hosted in Detroit last week.
 
2014-07-09 04:35:25 PM  

Ishkur: If the girl wants it and you fail to deliver, you're an awful douchebag who's bad in bed.


More lies. Who are you white knighting exactly?

Again, the only reason the accused got off was because the alleged victim felt remorse. Had she stuck to her story she could have sued somebody for money and won.
 
2014-07-09 04:35:26 PM  

Elliot8654: I would offer to change your mind, but 2 problems:
1) no matter what I say you won't believe me, even if I had other women I had slept with write in here how good I actually am.
2) if I tried to prove it, you don't want it. That would be this thing called rape, which is bad.


Look at that fragile little ego.
 
2014-07-09 04:36:52 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Mikey1969: Some people making false claims doesn't let real offenders off of the hook, sorry.

You see mikey this is why my notes on you are 100% correct. Nowhere do I claim to support "real offenders" -only you and the white knight fembot hordes seem to be making this claim.

Anyone pointing out that it is financially lucrative for someone to falsely accuse someone else of rape is akin to 'letting rapists go free' is a false equivalence.

For example Wanetta Gibson made $750,000 after accusing Brian Banks of rape. The only reason she got caught is because she felt remorse.I submit that most women who do this do not feel remorse.


Look, if you are going to open with "But people have falsely accused others of rape", and then backed it up with another "See, this woman made a false accusation", then you are going to be seen as a rape apologist, especially since that seems to be the ONLY card you are playing. If you don't want to be seen as an apologist, then the normal approach would be to take the "Well, I can see both sides of the argument" track.

Except you didn't do that, you just keep throwing out the same tired shiat.
 
2014-07-09 04:38:42 PM  

ikanreed: Elliot8654: I would offer to change your mind, but 2 problems:
1) no matter what I say you won't believe me, even if I had other women I had slept with write in here how good I actually am.
2) if I tried to prove it, you don't want it. That would be this thing called rape, which is bad.

Look at that fragile little ego.


Thanks for proving point #1 so clearly.

I really hope someone you consent to having sex with isn't satisfied so they can tell others how you are a raging biatch failure.
 
2014-07-09 04:39:41 PM  

Khellendros: "Kids get drunk, kids have sex, better deal with consequences, ladies" is an antiquated way of looking at it. Today, it's "whatever you did to get there, consent was never given, better deal with the consequences, gentlemen".


If both parties are drunk, two rapes have been committed.
 
2014-07-09 04:40:06 PM  

Mikey1969: Look, if you are going to open with "But people have falsely accused others of rape", and then backed it up with another "See, this woman made a false accusation", then you are going to be seen as a rape apologist, especially since that seems to be the ONLY card you are playing. If you don't want to be seen as an apologist, then the normal approach would be to take the "Well, I can see both sides of the argument" track.

Except you didn't do that, you just keep throwing out the same tired shiat.


See, what he's pretending here is that because false accusations happen that's the same as being endemic.  The actual rate is insanely low and he offers no solutions because all he wants is to feel oppressed.

That's it.

He just wants to feel oppressed.

We know what the real world data says, but he'd rather portray himself as a victim, extrapolating on a few over-publicized events and insane hypotheticals that don't actually happen.
 
2014-07-09 04:40:43 PM  

worlddan: Raoul Eaton: worlddan: monoski: Really $150k a year salary is called profiteering???

Well, that was one way to out yourself as part of the 1%. Nice. job.


Well, no.  That's not an unusual salary for an experienced lawyer, and it's nowhere near being part of the 1%.

So you going to defend greed on the basis of being out of touch? Niiiiiice.


While 150k is a wonderful amount of money to be making every year; it is not much compared to the salaries most other "revolving door" individuals receive once they get out of public office.  It seems like an easy choice for HR to hire someone with inside experience in the sector for which they are hired.  The issue isn't how much they are paid, it is if they are helping the private companies get out of public accountability simply because they have inside knowledge.  On the other hand, someone with principle would be able to apply the law exactly and guide the companies to perform exactly to the intent of the law.
 
2014-07-09 04:40:59 PM  

ikanreed: poot_rootbeer: Oh Jesus this thread is full of MRAs.
/quit

You just made it proportionally fuller of them.  But have a nice day, you shouldn't suffer just because the rest of us struggle futilely to fix their broken ideological systems.


Is that what we're doing here on Fark?  And I figured this was a humorous, conversational venue with dangling squirrel balls nearby.
/I have no broken system to futilely fix.
 
2014-07-09 04:41:07 PM  

Mikey1969: Look, if you are going to open with "But people have falsely accused others of rape", and then backed it up with another "See, this woman made a false accusation", then you are going to be seen as a rape apologist, especially since that seems to be the ONLY card you are playing. If you don't want to be seen as an apologist, then the normal approach would be to take the "Well, I can see both sides of the argument" track.

Except you didn't do that, you just keep throwing out the same tired shiat.


As someone who has been falsely accused of rape and blackmailed over the situation in the past when he was 19, he's full of shiat. False rape accusations do occur - however, they are the rare exception rather than the rule of reporting. In addition, while it is a destructive way to try to ruin someone's life, it is  exceptionally rare, with  questionable reporting encompassing around 4.6 to 6% of all reported rapes, and false reporting definitively identified in <1% of rape reports.
 
2014-07-09 04:42:44 PM  

Elliot8654: I would offer to change your mind


You shouldn't be trying to change my mind. You should be trying to change your own douchiness toward women.

Get your priorities straight. Watch some Making Love videos.
 
2014-07-09 04:43:02 PM  

rkiller1: /I have no broken system to futilely fix.


This may be because you're an asshole.
 
2014-07-09 04:43:58 PM  
Doesn't approve of these shenanigans
sports.cbsimg.net
 
2014-07-09 04:44:08 PM  

This text is now purple: Khellendros: "Kids get drunk, kids have sex, better deal with consequences, ladies" is an antiquated way of looking at it. Today, it's "whatever you did to get there, consent was never given, better deal with the consequences, gentlemen".

If both parties are drunk, two rapes have been committed.


depends on the state, in several states the responsibility is solely and always on the male even in cases of intoxication.
 
2014-07-09 04:44:21 PM  

Corvus: You don't just make it legal to rape women.


You can't make it legal to rape someone. If it's legal, it's not rape.
 
2014-07-09 04:44:37 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: More lies.


This from the guy who literally denies ALL OF HISTORY.

Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say?
 
2014-07-09 04:45:35 PM  

Elliot8654: Thanks for proving point #1 so clearly.

I really hope someone you consent to having sex with isn't satisfied so they can tell others how you are a raging biatch failure.


No see, what happened here that flagged the tiny MRA ego, was that you responded to the hypothetical "you"(you know the one that stands in for any person) as if it was about you, the specific.  And you got defensive about it.

It's not that we don't believe you.  It's just that the flaw you're exhibiting is deeply tied to the political beliefs you express, and manifests in the form and structure of how those ideas are frequently presented.


You can see this definition
overstatement of one's worth and capabilities to others, conceit, profligate dressing (intent on drawing attention), extreme need for competition, pride, over-sentimentality and affected exaltation,
As corresponding a lot with MRA behavior.

I don't actually there's much point to making this post, because if it's right, it'll be met with defensiveness, and it's not, while, it'd be insulting enough to justify real defensiveness.
 
2014-07-09 04:46:38 PM  

Inchoate: rkiller1: /I have no broken system to futilely fix.

This may be because you're an asshole.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-09 04:46:49 PM  

This text is now purple: Khellendros: "Kids get drunk, kids have sex, better deal with consequences, ladies" is an antiquated way of looking at it. Today, it's "whatever you did to get there, consent was never given, better deal with the consequences, gentlemen".

If both parties are drunk, two rapes have been committed.


Only rarely.  Unless she grabs him and forces him in, he's the one who took the action.  While I'm not going to claim this doesn't happen, I would assert it is the extreme minority of cases.
 
2014-07-09 04:46:58 PM  

hardinparamedic: In addition, while it is a destructive way to try to ruin someone's life, it is exceptionally rare, with questionable reporting encompassing around 4.6 to 6% of all reported rapes, and false reporting definitively identified in <1% of rape reports.


Are you defining false accusation as:

1. Didn't happen?
2. Knowingly didn't happen?
3. Provably didn't happen?
 
2014-07-09 04:47:20 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Guy gets drunk, sleeps with a girl he normally wouldn't, guy goes to AA, turns his life around.

Girl gets drunk, sleeps with a guy she normally wouldn't, guy goes to jail, girl goes back to the bar.

     -Rape, 2014 edition.


"Lol, rape victims never avoid situations similar to when they were raped bringing up intense and unpleasant memories, amiright?"

(too much to ask) Don't be a moron.
 
2014-07-09 04:48:14 PM  

worlddan: Crewmannumber6: I just skimmed the article, but I didn't see anything associated with Byzantium. Was Subby trying to say Draconian?

What does Harry Potter have to do with rape?


Hermione should be along shortly to explain
 
2014-07-09 04:48:22 PM  

Khellendros: This text is now purple: Khellendros: "Kids get drunk, kids have sex, better deal with consequences, ladies" is an antiquated way of looking at it. Today, it's "whatever you did to get there, consent was never given, better deal with the consequences, gentlemen".

If both parties are drunk, two rapes have been committed.

Only rarely.  Unless she grabs him and forces him in, he's the one who took the action.  While I'm not going to claim this doesn't happen, I would assert it is the extreme minority of cases.


Perhaps you missed the part where the male was unable to legally consent. Which makes sex with such a male rape.
 
2014-07-09 04:48:28 PM  

Ishkur: Elliot8654: I would offer to change your mind

You shouldn't be trying to change my mind. You should be trying to change your own douchiness toward women.

Get your priorities straight. Watch some Making Love videos.


No thanks, because my worth as a person is tied to way more than my ability to sexually please someone.

Oh, and as for my "douchiness", is that why I am cooking steak, pasta, and vegetables for my fiancee? Because I'm a douchenozzle who doesn't respect her?

No. I just expect the same of men and women. Be smart. Take responsibility for your actions. Don't expect others to coddle you and say "please sign here and blow in this breathalhzer to indicate you are capable and consenting to this activity".

How about instead of making me "fix my douche attitude" you encourage women as well as men to be responsible for themselves.
 
2014-07-09 04:49:07 PM  

rkiller1: Inchoate: rkiller1: /I have no broken system to futilely fix.

This may be because you're an asshole.

[img.fark.net image 428x278]


sick burn bro
 
2014-07-09 04:49:33 PM  

This text is now purple: 1. Didn't happen?
2. Knowingly didn't happen?
3. Provably didn't happen?


Let's be clear
#3 is the <1% category.

#1+#2+#3+those where there's reason to be suspect at all is 4-6%

Which is in keeping with general false crime reports.
 
2014-07-09 04:51:23 PM  

Ant: Define rape


A plant whose seeds can be used to produce Canola oil.
 
2014-07-09 04:51:38 PM  

Mikey1969: then you are going to be seen as a rape apologist,


No, YOU are going to see me as a rape apologist because actually considering what I have to say will make you feel distressed because considering uh, someone else's opinion might make you rethink your own. You can't have that -right?

Ishkur: This from the guy who literally denies ALL OF HISTORY.


No, I deny your weird version of it in a thread about how people create their own reality to replace, uh, THE reality.

Here's a quote:

Ishkur: You pointing out exceptions doesn't discredit the fact that for the past 10,000 years women have been severely controlled, owned, marginalized, neglected and discredited by men.


You have problems determining the difference between fact and your own opinion.
 
2014-07-09 04:51:41 PM  

This text is now purple: Khellendros: This text is now purple: Khellendros: "Kids get drunk, kids have sex, better deal with consequences, ladies" is an antiquated way of looking at it. Today, it's "whatever you did to get there, consent was never given, better deal with the consequences, gentlemen".

If both parties are drunk, two rapes have been committed.

Only rarely.  Unless she grabs him and forces him in, he's the one who took the action.  While I'm not going to claim this doesn't happen, I would assert it is the extreme minority of cases.

Perhaps you missed the part where the male was unable to legally consent. Which makes sex with such a male rape.


I didn't miss it at all - you said "if both parties are drunk". If both parties are drunk, rape is committed by the one that took action to initiate sex.  In nearly all cases, that is the male.  It's exceptionally difficult for it to be the woman (though it is possible, and likely does occur from time to time).
 
2014-07-09 04:55:37 PM  

Inchoate: rkiller1: Inchoate: rkiller1: /I have no broken system to futilely fix.

This may be because you're an asshole.

[img.fark.net image 428x278]

sick burn bro


Quoting this just so it will show up for him.
 
2014-07-09 04:55:50 PM  

Khellendros: It's exceptionally difficult for it to be the woman (though it is possible, and likely does occur from time to time).


If the guy's drunk, whiskey-dick usually inhibits penetrative rape, but there are definitely cases of women taking advantage of drunk dudes. Not common, but happens.
 
2014-07-09 04:57:19 PM  

Inchoate: Khellendros: It's exceptionally difficult for it to be the woman (though it is possible, and likely does occur from time to time).

If the guy's drunk, whiskey-dick usually inhibits penetrative rape, but there are definitely cases of women taking advantage of drunk dudes. Not common, but happens.


Because getting sex through lying, manipulation, peer pressure, drug use, or a thousand other means only happens to one gender, too.
 
2014-07-09 05:00:28 PM  

Elliot8654: Oh, and as for my "douchiness", is that why I am cooking steak, pasta, and vegetables for my fiancee?


Was she homeschooled?

Elliot8654: How about instead of making me "fix my douche attitude" you encourage women as well as men to be responsible for themselves.


I did. In my very Boobies. You notice that no woman objected to my advice but the MRAs jumped all over it? That's telling. It means it's not just about women, it's a bigger complex of resisting anything might be tell them how to behave or live, which is probably why MRAs are almost always Libertarians/Objectivists.

For that is truly the heart of the whole MRA ethos: The strident individualist desire to not be controlled by ANY authority, period. They have a fierce resistance toward any group that tries to tell them how to live, how to behave, how to act, how to treat others or even how to function in society. So it all comes from the same core principle: They hate government because it legislates society, they hate religion because it enforces morality, and they also hate minority groups (or any group that's not them: white privileged males) for forcing them to obey some arcane set of social behaviors that they did not sign up for. This is where MRA comes in, which is just a political rally removed from nationalism and a burning cross removed from racism. They don't like other people telling them how they should treat others, especially religions, minorities and women. And most of them hate altruism.

There are various flavors of staunch right-wing individualism, from the mild social libertarians to the ultra-schizophrenic Sovereign Citizens (a group that denies the existence of any social institutions entirely) but most of them fall within the hard Libertarian/Objectivist camp - mostly college-aged males who just read Ayn Rand and realized that society has no right to tell them they aren't allowed to be self-righteous assholes (without consequence, of course). They also tend to be Ron Paul followers.

I would even go so far as to say that many of them are social autistics or at the very least have Aspergers. They don't function well in groups and they don't see the point or purpose in socializing, and this deficiency is what compels them to put up a fierce front when encountered, because when you have an ego as big as they do, it's hard to back down from anything. So you get the Hegelian backlash to feminism in the MRA. They don't like being forced. If you push them, they'll push back no matter what you are: A social, political, religious or racial group.
 
2014-07-09 05:01:25 PM  
I think we need to gender split universities. In one you put all the males and females, in the other you put all the people who are offended to be asked which they are.

Once all those tumblrites are skimmed off, people can get back to being educated without fear of being accused of shiat by  nutbars.
 
2014-07-09 05:04:41 PM  
Opal, opal.

Constantinople.
 
2014-07-09 05:06:57 PM  

Ishkur: I did. In my very Boobies. You notice that no woman objected to my advice but the MRAs jumped all over it? That's telling. It means it's not just about women, it's a bigger complex of resisting anything might be tell them how to behave or live, which is probably why MRAs are almost always Libertarians/Objectivists.


1) You don't have boobies, they're called moobies on a guy.
2) There are very few women on Fark and guys outnumber women like 10 to 1. (Seriously go to Digichick to talk to women)lol
3) That's called a Strawman argument and not a very good one. Gender issues are not  exclusive to any one political group.
 
2014-07-09 05:07:13 PM  

zzrhardy: I think we need to gender split universities. In one you put all the males and females, in the other you put all the people who are offended to be asked which they are.

Once all those tumblrites are skimmed off, people can get back to being educated without fear of being accused of shiat by  nutbars.


You know that the people who want to be asked are those "tumblrites" by-and-large, right?
 
2014-07-09 05:08:20 PM  

Ishkur: JackieRabbit: Younger farkers: is or was rape a problem at your school?

I think what's happening is guys are getting douchier and douchier in relationships, so it may be time to address the growing influence that Redtube and Bangbus and all the legions of misogynistic videos are having on the newer generations.

Online porn has effectively desensitized teenagers from understanding what true intimacy really is. It has made teenage girls more experimentative at a time when they probably shouldn't be and it has made boys a lot more misogynistic, selfish and demanding.

So girls: Please understand the difference between rape and just having awful sex with a douchebag. The latter is not rape but do try to avoid both if you can, and stay safe.

And guys: Please stop being selfish douchebags in bed. Online porn is just a fantasy and not in any way resembling how you should actually treat a girl. Be gentle, talk to her, appeal to her needs, kiss her all over (yes, even her hoo-ha), make her come at least once, and snuggle -- before and after.

And don't make ANY demands or unreasonable expectations. If she doesn't want to go down on you, don't force her. It's not about you. She's a human being, not a human-sized fleshlight.



So, don't make any demands or unreasonable expectations, but do all this things we demand, you selfish douchebag?

Thanks, but I'd rather stick to the fleshlight than deal with this level of hypocrisy and double-speech.
 
2014-07-09 05:09:24 PM  

Elliot8654: Because getting sex through lying, manipulation, peer pressure, drug use, or a thousand other means only happens to one gender, too.


I'm sorry, we were talking about rape.  You know, sex with at least one non-consenting party?  Not this bullshiat you're peddling.  Other than the drug use example, the rest is piles of false equivalency.
 
2014-07-09 05:12:17 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: No, I deny your weird version of it


What weird version of it? Open a farking textbook. Check the rulers of every apex culture, empire and civilization that ever existed -- they're all men. Ancient Rome had ZERO women Senators, ZERO women Consuls, ZERO women Emperors, and women never held any rank in the army.

The Bible is even worse: Women aren't allowed to speak in church (1 Corinthians 14:34-35), women aren't allowed to have they heads uncovered (1 Corinthians 11:5-6), women are not permitted to teach or have any position of authority (1 Timothy 2:11-12), wives must be submissive to their husbands and woman must submit to man (Colossians 3:18, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3:1, 1 Corinthians 11:7), woman must worship man as the man worships Christ (1 Corinthians 11:3). And yet you insist that men didn't have much power throughout history? Why is this shiat there if that's true? How do you justify your conceit? Where's the balance of power if women don't figured in any prominent roles?

Provide evidence.

Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a quote:

Ishkur: You pointing out exceptions doesn't discredit the fact that for the past 10,000 years women have been severely controlled, owned, marginalized, neglected and discredited by men.

You have problems determining the difference between fact and your own opinion.


Yes, I said that. Do you dispute it? How?

And of course you said: MEN TAKE ALL THE RISKS.

No they don't. Go to Vegas, women gamble just as much as men.

What's really going on is men are more competitive and men are more aggressive. They will fight each other over power (and even over women ie: their property). That doesn't necessarily mean they take more risks nor are they better in leadership roles, nor does it mean women must be relegated to second-class citizens.
 
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