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(WTKR)   Congress: You guys at the VA need to add brain cancer, lung cancer, and migraines to the list of things you cover for Gulf War illness. VA: Fark You and if you ask again we'll put you on a secret waiting list   (wtkr.com) divider line 117
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2014-07-09 04:22:08 PM  
You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.
 
2014-07-09 05:06:37 PM  

what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.


That's socialism. Socialism is bad, m'k?
 
2014-07-09 05:07:18 PM  

what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.


Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.
 
2014-07-09 05:07:29 PM  

what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.


Done in one. Holy farking done in one.
 
2014-07-09 05:09:18 PM  

Jument: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

That's socialism. Socialism is bad, m'k?


As if it would be better.
 
2014-07-09 05:09:20 PM  

what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.


Then we could all have quality healthcare like that offered at the VA. Sounds great!

Summoner101: Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.


They get every dollar they ask for. If they are underfunded, it is because they didn't ask for enough.
 
2014-07-09 05:09:50 PM  

what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.


I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch
 
2014-07-09 05:13:38 PM  

uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch


But we can't fix it because AMERICA'S HEALTHCARE IS NUMBER 1!
 
2014-07-09 05:13:44 PM  
As a Persian Gulf War vet (Desert Shield and Desert Storm), this makes me a little nervous.
 
2014-07-09 05:14:10 PM  

uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch


I wouldn't trust this country to allow us to continue doing 'unhealthy' activities after single-payer either.
 
2014-07-09 05:14:26 PM  

umad: Summoner101: Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.

They get every dollar they ask for. If they are underfunded, it is because they didn't ask for enough.


I'm gonna need a citation for that claim.


uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch


Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.
 
2014-07-09 05:15:10 PM  
So Congress wants the VA to take care of sick veterans?

Then howcome they won't give the VA enough funding to actually do it?
 
2014-07-09 05:15:45 PM  

uber humper: I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch


Funny how 6 years ago, this statement would have been called anti-American.
 
2014-07-09 05:15:54 PM  
This is the government healthcare liberals think is good enough for the entire country.
 
2014-07-09 05:16:45 PM  

Summoner101: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.


The House is desperately trying to create problems and then blame Obama for the problems they create. Their new tactic is to create laws that require people to run things but don't give the people running them any money. Then when they fail they point at Obama and say "SEE? LOOK WHAT HE DID!"

It only works because the American people don't know how government works. Hell I often enough don't know how it works.

Even when something goes right under the Obama Administration, like I dunno, unemployment, you see these same f*cking jackasses screaming about U6.
 
2014-07-09 05:17:06 PM  

umad: uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch

I wouldn't trust this country to allow us to continue doing 'unhealthy' activities after single-payer either.


Right, it would be immoral to not exercise, eat poorly, drink, unprotected sex, etc.
 
2014-07-09 05:21:03 PM  
One might be tempted to ask; Why is this government so bent on filling our country with angry people?
 
2014-07-09 05:22:02 PM  

what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.


The VA is single-payer.  the only difference is it only applies to vets.  The VA is government health care.

If we had single-payer, then it wouldn't just be the vets that wouldn't be covered for these things.  It would be *everyone*.

What you are saying is 'the government sucks balls at providing health coverage.  so we should have the government provide more health coverage on a much wider scale.'
 
2014-07-09 05:22:14 PM  

fusillade762: Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.


check out how long wait times are in single payer or sociallized medicine countries.  Where I am it's ten days.  Canada is measured in months. Massachusetts is 70+ days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/29/in-cities -t he-average-doctor-wait-time-is-18-5-days/
 
2014-07-09 05:22:20 PM  

fusillade762: umad: Summoner101: Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.

They get every dollar they ask for. If they are underfunded, it is because they didn't ask for enough.

I'm gonna need a citation for that claim.


uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch

Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.


We've seen the VA in action, that unnerves folks.
 
2014-07-09 05:22:46 PM  

Cyclometh: As a Persian Gulf War vet (Desert Shield and Desert Storm), this makes me a little nervous.



All they have to do is wait y'all out.
 
2014-07-09 05:23:35 PM  

Summoner101: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.


Or we could give the vets medicare and let them go to any hospital they want.
 
2014-07-09 05:23:49 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So Congress wants the VA to take care of sick veterans?

Then howcome they won't give the VA enough funding to actually do it?


I'm not sure the VA has had their budget slashed.
 
2014-07-09 05:24:25 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Jument: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

That's socialism. Socialism is bad, m'k?

As if it would be better.


Yes, you're right. The poors should bankrupt their entire family or go without care if they can't afford it. Serves them right for being poor.
 
2014-07-09 05:25:41 PM  

what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.


I thought the VA was supposed to be a model for the success of single payer.

/I support single payer
 
2014-07-09 05:25:55 PM  

uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch


And yet, everyone who does trust the country with their health - old people, poor people, and people in the military - have generally good things to say about it, and even more revealing, with fight you tooth and nail if you suggest taking it away. That might suggest broad satisfaction with the current government options, eh?
 
2014-07-09 05:28:39 PM  

brimed03: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Done in one. Holy farking done in one.


Yeah, I want the federal government immersed in my health affairs.  Especially after seeing how they've handled this VA thing, as a microcosm, and particularly how they handled my WWI-Era veteran Grandpa, who they farked on a monthly basis, back in the fifties and sixties.  That would be great.  They're so efficient and compassionate in all of their undertakings.

Holler at me after you've had the pleasure of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi figuratively giving you an unnecessary high-colonic and administering a careless catheter as you lie in your dying bed.

FFS.  Stop volunteering my tax money for your woo-haw idealism.  You can't save the world - save yourself.  Charity begins at home.

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy."

Fog this, Nancy.
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Up yours, Harry


conservative-warriors.com

Socialism ultimately benefits only a few, and is a general detriment to the whole.

If you have a hankering to find out, go live in Venezuela.
 
2014-07-09 05:28:59 PM  

umad: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Then we could all have quality healthcare like that offered at the VA. Sounds great!

Summoner101: Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.

They get every dollar they ask for. If they are underfunded, it is because they didn't ask for enough.


Actually, Congress typically cuts what the President asks for by a couple billion. When your patient demographics are growing and have expensive short and long term treatments (gross traumas), typically you need all the money you can get.

It would also be fairly expensive to overhaul the VA system, something I'm sure won't happen with this Congress never mind the other side of the problem simply being the operational culture of the VA itself.
 
2014-07-09 05:29:26 PM  

Xythero: Summoner101: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.

Or we could give the vets medicare and let them go to any hospital they want.


woah woah woah.  That's socialist talk.  Vets have to go to special hospitals and only be covered for injuries, illnesses and disease from when they were in the military.  We don't want these deadbeats draining our economy for things that happen to them outside the military.  It's not like they deserve it.  Besides what would happen to the yellow ribbon industry?
 
2014-07-09 05:30:07 PM  
I can't remember where I heard it but someone was talking about medical costs and a demand curve. I wanted to weep the bitter tears of a strong man. (But he wasn't sharing any.)
 
2014-07-09 05:30:19 PM  

qorkfiend: uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch

And yet, everyone who does trust the country with their health - old people, poor people, and people in the military - have generally good things to say about it, and even more revealing, with fight you tooth and nail if you suggest taking it away. That might suggest broad satisfaction with the current government options, eh?


Medicare and medicare are ridiculously inefficient and already accounts for 20-25% of the federal budget. As more boomer retire it will sink as we reach around 3 workers per retiree within 20 years.
 
2014-07-09 05:31:31 PM  
Toy Boat:

Socialism ultimately benefits only a few, and is a general detriment to the whole.

If you have a hankering to find out, go live in Venezuela.



Or France or Germany or England or Switzerland or Japan or Canada or Sweden or Denmark or Norway.
 
2014-07-09 05:31:51 PM  

uber humper: qorkfiend: uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch

And yet, everyone who does trust the country with their health - old people, poor people, and people in the military - have generally good things to say about it, and even more revealing, with fight you tooth and nail if you suggest taking it away. That might suggest broad satisfaction with the current government options, eh?

Medicare and medicare

medicaid are ridiculously inefficient and already accounts for 20-25% of the federal budget. As more boomer retire it will sink as we reach around 3 workers per retiree within 20 years.

FTFM
 
2014-07-09 05:33:09 PM  

uber humper: qorkfiend: uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch

And yet, everyone who does trust the country with their health - old people, poor people, and people in the military - have generally good things to say about it, and even more revealing, with fight you tooth and nail if you suggest taking it away. That might suggest broad satisfaction with the current government options, eh?

Medicare and medicare are ridiculously inefficient and already accounts for 20-25% of the federal budget. As more boomer retire it will sink as we reach around 3 workers per retiree within 20 years.


Medicare and Medicaid are orders of magnitude more efficient than a fully privatized system. Their efficiency also has no bearing on the fact that the vast majority of people on Medicare are satisfied with it and will vigorously resist any effort to take it away. Does this not suggest broad satisfaction with Medicare to you? Why not?
 
2014-07-09 05:33:13 PM  
uber humper: fusillade762: Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.

check out how long wait times are in single payer or sociallized medicine countries.  Where I am it's ten days.  Canada is measured in months. Massachusetts is 70+ days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/29/in-cities -t he-average-doctor-wait-time-is-18-5-days/

You fail to mention that you can always buy extra private insurance in these countries to reduce/eliminate wait times if you were so inclined. You could even go to the doctor or hospital and pay in cash, completely bypassing the "socialism".

In any case, having a separate health system for ex-military dudes is just plain retarded.
 
2014-07-09 05:33:47 PM  

SlothB77: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

The VA is single-payer.  the only difference is it only applies to vets.  The VA is government health care.

If we had single-payer, then it wouldn't just be the vets that wouldn't be covered for these things.  It would be *everyone*.

What you are saying is 'the government sucks balls at providing health coverage.  so we should have the government provide more health coverage on a much wider scale.'


What you are saying is that every other industrialized nation can do it, but we would fail miserably at single payer health insurance. Why do you hate America?

Also, government health care such as the VA is not the same as single payer health insurance. With the latter you can still have your choice of health care providers.
 
2014-07-09 05:34:36 PM  

fusillade762: umad: Summoner101: Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.

They get every dollar they ask for. If they are underfunded, it is because they didn't ask for enough.

I'm gonna need a citation for that claim.


uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch

Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.


I'm gonna need a citation for that claim.  And, an overall picture of the efficacy of each nation's health system, and the number of illegal immigrants they allow in their country, and then, please consider the fact that anyone who landed in a hospital ER in the United States before all this shiat started, pretty much got treated or shipped to where they could be treated at a Charity Hospital.

This is all window-dressing for votes.  I got an idea - why don't we just give away free cell phones?
 
2014-07-09 05:35:40 PM  

Toy Boat: brimed03: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Done in one. Holy farking done in one.

Yeah, I want the federal government immersed in my health affairs.


Single payer health insurance is not the same as single provider. Stop pretending it's the same. Or do you honestly not know the difference?

Holler at me after you've had the pleasure of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi figuratively giving you an unnecessary high-colonic and administering a careless catheter as you lie in your dying bed.

Okay, you're a farking moron.
 
2014-07-09 05:35:40 PM  
I am so tired of the buck-passing when it comes to the VA. The way we have failed to uphold our promises to our veterans in this country is goddamn disgrace. Stop fighting over who is to blame and fix it.
 
2014-07-09 05:35:54 PM  

fusillade762: Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.


single-payer in other countries is run pretty much like how the VA is here.  Secret waiting lists, wait times measured in months, people dying waiting for care.  doctor shortages.  complete moratoriums on innovation in the health care sector.  the governments cover it up and punish whistleblowers by termination or bad reviews and demotions.  The media is in the tank for single-payer so they don't report these scandals.  have you seen how the VA penalized whistleblowers?  much like how the VA used off the book wait lists to make fudge the appointment statistics, other countries fake their health numbers to make them appear better than they really are.  the governments are in charge of all the health data.  they simply take the real numbers, then unskew them until they look good.  the numbers are completely fabricated, of course.
 
2014-07-09 05:36:12 PM  

bdub77: The House is desperately trying to create problems and then blame Obama for the problems they create.


So there are no problems with the VA?  Seriously?  You're going to defend the current administration no matter what?  No matter how farking stupid it makes you look?

Note, Obama didn't create this problem.  It's been around a long time.  But he's now the boss so it's his farking job to at least try to fix it.
 
2014-07-09 05:37:01 PM  
Toy Boat:
I'm gonna need a citation for that claim.  And, an overall picture of the efficacy of each nation's health system, and the number of illegal immigrants they allow in their country, and then, please consider the fact that anyone who landed in a hospital ER in the United States before all this shiat started, pretty much got treated or shipped to where they could be treated at a Charity Hospital.

This information is readily available. You are simply choosing to remain ignorant because socialism. Do your own research, farkwit.
 
2014-07-09 05:40:16 PM  

patrick767: What you are saying is that every other industrialized nation can do it, but we would fail miserably at single payer health insurance.


No they can't.  Those governments are in control of all the data so they just fake the numbers.  Just like the VA faked the wait times with the secret wait lists.
 
2014-07-09 05:40:22 PM  

jaybeezey: fusillade762: umad: Summoner101: Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.

They get every dollar they ask for. If they are underfunded, it is because they didn't ask for enough.

I'm gonna need a citation for that claim.

uber humper: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

I wouldn't trust this country with my heath. Thankyouverymuch

Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.

We've seen the VA in action, that unnerves folks.


Fine. A compromise then: a public option for those of us that want it and you can go back to paying out the ass for private insurance.
 
2014-07-09 05:40:44 PM  

uber humper: fusillade762: Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.

check out how long wait times are in single payer or sociallized medicine countries.  Where I am it's ten days.  Canada is measured in months. Massachusetts is 70+ days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/29/in-cities -t he-average-doctor-wait-time-is-18-5-days/


I live in Massachusetts, and my doctors are all on the network that ALSO handles the public option.

I've never waited more than a day or two to see my doctor, and even that wait was because my issue wasn't urgent and I needed a convenient time. When I broke my foot, I saw my doctor that day. When I sprained my wrist, I saw my doctor that day. Every time my eye tries to eat itself, I see my doctor that day.

However, I did just schedule my annual physical in a few months from now. I guess that would count as "wait time" in your mind, right?
 
2014-07-09 05:41:25 PM  

SlothB77: fusillade762: Yeah, just because every other industrialized nation in the world has one doesn't mean we can handle it. We're teh stoopid.

single-payer in other countries is run pretty much like how the VA is here.  Secret waiting lists, wait times measured in months, people dying waiting for care.  doctor shortages.  complete moratoriums on innovation in the health care sector.  the governments cover it up and punish whistleblowers by termination or bad reviews and demotions.  The media is in the tank for single-payer so they don't report these scandals.  have you seen how the VA penalized whistleblowers?  much like how the VA used off the book wait lists to make fudge the appointment statistics, other countries fake their health numbers to make them appear better than they really are.  the governments are in charge of all the health data.  they simply take the real numbers, then unskew them until they look good.  the numbers are completely fabricated, of course.


Single-payer is not single-provider. Stop pretending it's the same.

Many industrialized nations consistently rank better in health care than we do. Oh, but I'm sure every comparison that ranks health care between nations is just biased against America.

Stop spouting bullshiat.

Hurrrr! Media is in the tank! Derp derp derp! Every nation that ranks higher than we do in health care is skewing their numbers. America #1! Wooooo!
 
2014-07-09 05:41:32 PM  

SlothB77: What you are saying is 'the government sucks balls at providing health coverage.  so we should have the government provide more health coverage on a much wider scale.'


You know, despite the bad headlines recently, the government is still by orders of magnitude the most efficient provider of healthcare in the country.  It's not even close.
 
2014-07-09 05:41:43 PM  

what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.


What problem?  There was no such thing as Gulf War Illness.

Yes, a handful of soldiers came back from the war with some unexplained illnesses, but we sent some 3/4s of a million people over there, into one of the worst pest-holes in the world.  Random chance would've resulted in some coming back sick.
 
2014-07-09 05:42:26 PM  

bdub77: Summoner101: what_now: You know, if we had single payer like a grown up country, we wouldn't have this problem.

Another solution would be to fund the VA properly without giving it an unfunded mandate to treat more patients when it's already overloaded.

The House is desperately trying to create problems and then blame Obama for the problems they create. Their new tactic is to create laws that require people to run things but don't give the people running them any money. Then when they fail they point at Obama and say "SEE? LOOK WHAT HE DID!"

It only works because the American people don't know how government works. Hell I often enough don't know how it works.

Even when something goes right under the Obama Administration, like I dunno, unemployment, you see these same f*cking jackasses screaming about U6.


Thanks for making the point.

As far as creating problems, the House isn't doing anything of the kind.  Obama is truly clueless.  Worse, he is a clueless liberal, and a self-hating fool.  Charisma doesn't change those parts of a person.

U6 is an important figure, and it more accurately represents the number of people who are unemployed.  The U1 is a bullshiat, seasonally-adjusted bag of crap.  6.1% my ass.

You should thank God for us jackasses.
 
2014-07-09 05:42:40 PM  
It's a mystery to me why anyone would volunteer for our military after seeing how we treat our veterans.
 
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