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(KHOU Houston)   Hey thieves: If you're going to steal people's air conditioners for scrap metal, could you at least wait until October?   (khou.com) divider line 62
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2014-07-09 10:22:50 AM
The family now has to wait until Thursday to have a new air conditioning unit installed. It's going to cost them a nearly $3,000 deductible.

$3000 for a new A/C unit in the Houston area.  Is there a number where I can reach the thieves?
 
2014-07-09 10:35:49 AM
The week we entered into contract to buy our house, the ac unit was stolen. Since we hadn't signed the papers yet, the sellers insurance was on the hook. They couldn't find a coil to match the furnace there and so we got a new ac unit and furnace installed for 'free' with our new house.

/csb
 
2014-07-09 12:20:37 PM

InterruptingQuirk: The week we entered into contract to buy our house, the ac unit was stolen. Since we hadn't signed the papers yet, the sellers insurance was on the hook. They couldn't find a coil to match the furnace there and so we got a new ac unit and furnace installed for 'free' with our new house.

/csb


And what did you do with the old A/C unit?
 
2014-07-09 12:22:12 PM
Unfortunately, Junkie's fixes won't wait until October.  This goes on all over the country BTW.


FTFA:  The latest home left without air conditioning was targeted some time overnight Tuesday.

The homeowner:

"We didn't know until later this morning when the A/C wasn't heating up in the house,"
 
2014-07-09 12:25:15 PM
This shiat is getting out of hand, they need to come down on the scrap yards who are buying this stuff. Require them do what pawn shops do, take a name and drivers licence number from anyone selling scrap copper.
 
2014-07-09 12:25:26 PM

Valiente: InterruptingQuirk: The week we entered into contract to buy our house, the ac unit was stolen. Since we hadn't signed the papers yet, the sellers insurance was on the hook. They couldn't find a coil to match the furnace there and so we got a new ac unit and furnace installed for 'free' with our new house.

/csb

And what did you do with the old A/C unit?


This made me chuckle, thanks!
 
2014-07-09 12:25:46 PM

UberDave: The family now has to wait until Thursday to have a new air conditioning unit installed. It's going to cost them a nearly $3,000 deductible.

$3000 for a new A/C unit in the Houston area.  Is there a number where I can reach the thieves?


That's just the deductible. Good central HVAC and heat pumps are expensive. The zoned system in my house cost $12K. But that's ok because it lowered my power bill by $400/mo. So it payed for itself for 30 months and has a 10 year warranty.
 
2014-07-09 12:28:04 PM
is copper the new gold or something?  how much can a copper coil possibly get at the scrap yard?  That seems like an awful lot of work (not the mention the risk).  I just did a search, so let's say around $2.50/pound and a condenser weighs around 15 to 30 pounds.  $37.50 to $75.00.  how farking low in life do you have to be to do that shiat to someone's home for that?  Thousands of dollars in damage for beer money.  If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public.
 
2014-07-09 12:31:44 PM
Damn I hate thieves. True story; knew of a guy who kept getting his AC unit stolen, so he rigs up a couple car batteries to it and the next time someone went to steal it they got their ass electrocuted. Don't remember if the thief died or not, but but the guy who booby trapped it got in trouble! Pure bull crap. I thought it was genius and justified personally.
 
2014-07-09 12:32:59 PM

JackieRabbit: UberDave: The family now has to wait until Thursday to have a new air conditioning unit installed. It's going to cost them a nearly $3,000 deductible.

$3000 for a new A/C unit in the Houston area.  Is there a number where I can reach the thieves?

That's just the deductible. Good central HVAC and heat pumps are expensive. The zoned system in my house cost $12K. But that's ok because it lowered my power bill by $400/mo. So it payed for itself for 30 months and has a 10 year warranty.


Confound it Smithers

matthewpury.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-09 12:37:46 PM
uh...no. They sell better now.
 
2014-07-09 12:38:11 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public.


I could get behind that.
They are tweakers and junkies anyway.
they bought their ticket.
 
2014-07-09 12:38:12 PM

JackieRabbit: UberDave: The family now has to wait until Thursday to have a new air conditioning unit installed. It's going to cost them a nearly $3,000 deductible.

$3000 for a new A/C unit in the Houston area.  Is there a number where I can reach the thieves?

That's just the deductible. Good central HVAC and heat pumps are expensive. The zoned system in my house cost $12K. But that's ok because it lowered my power bill by $400/mo. So it payed for itself for 30 months and has a 10 year warranty.


Holy shiat! If my power bill were to total $400 a month I would be furious!

$125 a month for ~2500 sqft with AC running most of the time.
 
2014-07-09 12:41:14 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: is copper the new gold or something?  how much can a copper coil possibly get at the scrap yard?  That seems like an awful lot of work (not the mention the risk).  I just did a search, so let's say around $2.50/pound and a condenser weighs around 15 to 30 pounds.  $37.50 to $75.00.  how farking low in life do you have to be to do that shiat to someone's home for that?  Thousands of dollars in damage for beer money.  If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public.


Welcome to junkie logic and the war on drugs. The return on investment is remarkably consistent, if negative.
 
2014-07-09 12:42:50 PM
Right....because people who are stealing air conditioners for scrap obviously have longer time-preferences...hell, they know they may not even be around in October.
 
2014-07-09 12:43:01 PM
If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public.


Death for petty theft, huh? Cool.
 
2014-07-09 12:43:49 PM
Babies were cranky before AC.
 
2014-07-09 12:44:07 PM

doubled99: If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public.


Death for petty theft, huh? Cool.


Pretty sure ripping out someone's AC unit is more than "petty theft". I am sure there is a felony in there somewhere.
 
2014-07-09 12:47:07 PM

doubled99: If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public.


Death for petty theft, huh? Cool.


Now, now. Don't jump to conclusions. He just said "shot", not "killed". Maybe he'd just have them wounded.
 
2014-07-09 12:47:19 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: is copper the new gold or something?  how much can a copper coil possibly get at the scrap yard?  That seems like an awful lot of work (not the mention the risk).  I just did a search, so let's say around $2.50/pound and a condenser weighs around 15 to 30 pounds.  $37.50 to $75.00.   how farking low in life do you have to be to do that shiat to someone's home for that?  Thousands of dollars in damage for beer money.  If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public.


People Suck.

Some thieves stole a small copper replica of the statue of liberty from Oak Park, IL near a Frank Lloyd Wright home.  Did a nice job too, they had to scoped it out, came with bolt cutters they needed to chop up the wiring and stole the symbol of how great it is to be a free colossal shiatstain in america.
 
2014-07-09 12:49:51 PM
Cant wait till October for crack.
 
2014-07-09 12:51:20 PM

UberDave: The family now has to wait until Thursday to have a new air conditioning unit installed. It's going to cost them a nearly $3,000 deductible.

$3000 for a new A/C unit in the Houston area.  Is there a number where I can reach the thieves?


Why?  They didn't even take the whole thing.  They left the condenser behind, which is beyond me.  There is an electric motor taking half the space inside that metal can, with a couple pounds of copper attached to it.  A little time with an angle grinder will get it out, but anyway, that unit will never run again.  Pretty much they only got some copper tubing, the aluminum and copper radiator and a fan.  Very inefficient thieves leaving about half the copper behind.

I will add, stealing someone's AC unit in the summer (or at all) should be a shootable offense.  And it being TX, it is.
 
2014-07-09 12:53:33 PM

JackieRabbit: The zoned system in my house cost $12K. But that's ok because it lowered my power bill by $400/mo.


You should have considered putting some insulation in your house instead. Or burning it down and moving somewhere else. Jesus Christ, that is a farking car payment.
 
2014-07-09 12:53:48 PM
Too Pretty For Prison:   If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public. the pubic region.

You got my vote comrade.
 
2014-07-09 12:54:04 PM
doubled99:

Death for petty theft, huh? Cool.

Come on man, stealing someone's air conditioner in the middle of summer? That's just cold.
 
2014-07-09 12:57:16 PM
Stealing someone's central HVAC unit? In the summer? That's cold....
 
2014-07-09 12:59:39 PM
Property is theft
 
2014-07-09 01:04:43 PM
CSB:  I live just south from this neighborhood.
 
2014-07-09 01:19:29 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: is copper the new gold or something?  how much can a copper coil possibly get at the scrap yard?  That seems like an awful lot of work (not the mention the risk).  I just did a search, so let's say around $2.50/pound and a condenser weighs around 15 to 30 pounds.  $37.50 to $75.00.  how farking low in life do you have to be to do that shiat to someone's home for that?  Thousands of dollars in damage for beer money.  If I were dictator, I'd have people that do that shot in public.


Its the aluminum inside of the condenser.  That actually has a greater value than the copper itself.  Now with THAT being said, its easy to smash and grab something like that.

 

Dirty J1: Damn I hate thieves. True story; knew of a guy who kept getting his AC unit stolen, so he rigs up a couple car batteries to it and the next time someone went to steal it they got their ass electrocuted. Don't remember if the thief died or not, but but the guy who booby trapped it got in trouble! Pure bull crap. I thought it was genius and justified personally.


That is because someone working on repairs can get  injured or killed  if he forgets to mention that is there, or isnt present at the time of repair.   The same reason you cant rig a shotgun to a window.
 
2014-07-09 01:24:08 PM
It's Houston. We're still using AC in October in the southern half of Texas. Occasionally on into November.
 
2014-07-09 01:29:46 PM

simrobert2001: That is because someone working on repairs can get injured or killed if he forgets to mention that is there, or isnt present at the time of repair. The same reason you cant rig a shotgun to a window.


What about?

www.nachi.org
 
2014-07-09 01:31:56 PM

InterruptingQuirk: simrobert2001: That is because someone working on repairs can get injured or killed if he forgets to mention that is there, or isnt present at the time of repair. The same reason you cant rig a shotgun to a window.

What about?

[www.nachi.org image 600x800]


I don't know, but that looks really cool.
 
2014-07-09 01:46:13 PM

untaken_name: Right....because people who are stealing air conditioners for scrap obviously have longer time-preferences...hell, they know they may not even be around in October.


Good, the world would be a better place without them.
 
2014-07-09 01:48:16 PM

Dirty J1: Damn I hate thieves. True story; knew of a guy who kept getting his AC unit stolen, so he rigs up a couple car batteries to it and the next time someone went to steal it they got their ass electrocuted. Don't remember if the thief died or not, but but the guy who booby trapped it got in trouble! Pure bull crap. I thought it was genius and justified personally.


That's why you have your unit "accidentally" wired wrong; deniability.

I'm sure some farmers have the electric fence up against their condenser now.

/But seriously, don't kill people over an inconvenience.
 
2014-07-09 01:56:44 PM

Cold_Sassy: The homeowner:

"We didn't know until later this morning when the A/C wasn't heating up in the house,"


"Marge, can we set the oven to cold?"
 
2014-07-09 01:57:54 PM

jst3p: JackieRabbit: UberDave: The family now has to wait until Thursday to have a new air conditioning unit installed. It's going to cost them a nearly $3,000 deductible.

$3000 for a new A/C unit in the Houston area.  Is there a number where I can reach the thieves?

That's just the deductible. Good central HVAC and heat pumps are expensive. The zoned system in my house cost $12K. But that's ok because it lowered my power bill by $400/mo. So it payed for itself for 30 months and has a 10 year warranty.

Holy shiat! If my power bill were to total $400 a month I would be furious!

$125 a month for ~2500 sqft with AC running most of the time.


I live in a place where the afternoon temperatures are in the mid-90s, the nighttime temps are in the mid- to upper-70s and the daily average relative humidity can easily be 70%. My system has 3800 sq. feet to cool. The old system was inefficient and was under-sized because the previous owner was a cheap SOB, who thought that spending more than $2000 on a system meant he was being ripped off. The result was that at the height of summer, I was spending over $600/mo on electricity. Now it's more like $180 - $250, depending on how hot it is. My AC probably runs about 14 out of 24 hrs. The programmable thermostats help a lot.
 
2014-07-09 01:58:13 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: That's why you have your unit "accidentally" wired wrong; deniability.

I'm sure some farmers have the electric fence up against their condenser now.

/But seriously, don't kill people over an inconvenience.


fark that, I'm all for killing someone for farking with your shiat.  You don't mess with a man's car or air conditioner.  This isn't NAM, there's farking rules.
 
2014-07-09 02:03:33 PM

JackieRabbit: jst3p: JackieRabbit: UberDave: The family now has to wait until Thursday to have a new air conditioning unit installed. It's going to cost them a nearly $3,000 deductible.

$3000 for a new A/C unit in the Houston area.  Is there a number where I can reach the thieves?

That's just the deductible. Good central HVAC and heat pumps are expensive. The zoned system in my house cost $12K. But that's ok because it lowered my power bill by $400/mo. So it payed for itself for 30 months and has a 10 year warranty.

Holy shiat! If my power bill were to total $400 a month I would be furious!

$125 a month for ~2500 sqft with AC running most of the time.

I live in a place where the afternoon temperatures are in the mid-90s, the nighttime temps are in the mid- to upper-70s and the daily average relative humidity can easily be 70%. My system has 3800 sq. feet to cool. The old system was inefficient and was under-sized because the previous owner was a cheap SOB, who thought that spending more than $2000 on a system meant he was being ripped off. The result was that at the height of summer, I was spending over $600/mo on electricity. Now it's more like $180 - $250, depending on how hot it is. My AC probably runs about 14 out of 24 hrs. The programmable thermostats help a lot.


We have similar day time temps, but it gets much cooler at night (mid to lower 60s) and the humidity is MUCH lower, that helps a ton.
 
2014-07-09 02:10:18 PM

Dirty J1: Damn I hate thieves. True story; knew of a guy who kept getting his AC unit stolen, so he rigs up a couple car batteries to it and the next time someone went to steal it they got their ass electrocuted. Don't remember if the thief died or not, but but the guy who booby trapped it got in trouble! Pure bull crap. I thought it was genius and justified personally.


Yeah, that's bull crap all right.  The entire story.  Nobody got "electrocuted" from a couple car batteries, even if a couple is three.  24 or 36 volts cannot push enough current into a "human body model" to create a hazard, and that is why safety standards such as UL/IEC 60065 and UL/ANSI/IEC 60950-1  allow untrained users to contact these voltages barehanded.
 
2014-07-09 02:31:05 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: Dirty J1: Damn I hate thieves. True story; knew of a guy who kept getting his AC unit stolen, so he rigs up a couple car batteries to it and the next time someone went to steal it they got their ass electrocuted. Don't remember if the thief died or not, but but the guy who booby trapped it got in trouble! Pure bull crap. I thought it was genius and justified personally.

Yeah, that's bull crap all right.  The entire story.  Nobody got "electrocuted" from a couple car batteries, even if a couple is three.  24 or 36 volts cannot push enough current into a "human body model" to create a hazard, and that is why safety standards such as UL/IEC 60065 and UL/ANSI/IEC 60950-1  allow untrained users to contact these voltages barehanded.


Very appropriate username for your post.

Sounds like any number of the boobytrap a window with a shotgun stories you hear about.
 
2014-07-09 03:02:52 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: Yeah, that's bull crap all right.  The entire story.  Nobody got "electrocuted" from a couple car batteries, even if a couple is three.  24 or 36 volts cannot push enough current into a "human body model" to create a hazard, and that is why safety standards such as UL/IEC 60065 and UL/ANSI/IEC 60950-1  allow untrained users to contact these voltages barehanded.


This makes me laugh even harder about a phone interview I had with an Indian guy who was an engineer with Intel. He quizzed me about safety when working inside a server. My position was the technician should leave the power supply plugged in to minimize ESD hazards. He informed me that I was flat wrong -- the power supply should always be unplugged because +5v and +12v are "incredibly hazardous."

I ended the interview, concluding I wouldn't want to work for someone so ignorant.
 
2014-07-09 03:15:12 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: Dirty J1: Damn I hate thieves. True story; knew of a guy who kept getting his AC unit stolen, so he rigs up a couple car batteries to it and the next time someone went to steal it they got their ass electrocuted. Don't remember if the thief died or not, but but the guy who booby trapped it got in trouble! Pure bull crap. I thought it was genius and justified personally.

Yeah, that's bull crap all right.  The entire story.  Nobody got "electrocuted" from a couple car batteries, even if a couple is three.  24 or 36 volts cannot push enough current into a "human body model" to create a hazard, and that is why safety standards such as UL/IEC 60065 and UL/ANSI/IEC 60950-1  allow untrained users to contact these voltages barehanded.


Well electrocuted was the wrong word i guess, because as i said I'm not sure if he did die or not. Maybe shocked would have been a better term. And a car battery could kill you, since its not necessarily the volts that do the killing in every situation, it's the Amps. The human body is rather resistive to electricity, since we aren't metal, and in a circuit like this the higher the resistance with a set amount of voltage, the higher the amps. No sure how many amps it takes to kill a man, but a battery can put out a pretty good amount depending on their ratings. So yes I agree, that little voltage won't kill you, the amps potentially will.
 
2014-07-09 03:20:56 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: Dirty J1: Damn I hate thieves. True story; knew of a guy who kept getting his AC unit stolen, so he rigs up a couple car batteries to it and the next time someone went to steal it they got their ass electrocuted. Don't remember if the thief died or not, but but the guy who booby trapped it got in trouble! Pure bull crap. I thought it was genius and justified personally.

Yeah, that's bull crap all right.  The entire story.  Nobody got "electrocuted" from a couple car batteries, even if a couple is three.  24 or 36 volts cannot push enough current into a "human body model" to create a hazard, and that is why safety standards such as UL/IEC 60065 and UL/ANSI/IEC 60950-1  allow untrained users to contact these voltages barehanded.


It's not the Volts that kill you, but the Amps... and three car batteries wired in parallel are a pretty good heart attack machine (even for healthy folks, let alone junkies).
 
2014-07-09 03:21:59 PM

InterruptingQuirk: simrobert2001: That is because someone working on repairs can get injured or killed if he forgets to mention that is there, or isnt present at the time of repair. The same reason you cant rig a shotgun to a window.

What about?

[www.nachi.org image 600x800]


Can't hook some type alarm up to the thing?
 
2014-07-09 03:24:32 PM
Thieves wrecked $8000 worth of AC equipment at my business to get less than $30 in copper. I HATE THIEVES!
 
2014-07-09 03:47:20 PM

bearcats1983: untaken_name: Right....because people who are stealing air conditioners for scrap obviously have longer time-preferences...hell, they know they may not even be around in October.

Good, the world would be a better place without them.


Agreed. I wasn't advocating for them, I was just explaining why it's really dumb to expect them to think ahead.
 
2014-07-09 03:52:41 PM

Dirty J1: Big_Fat_Liar: Dirty J1: Damn I hate thieves. True story; knew of a guy who kept getting his AC unit stolen, so he rigs up a couple car batteries to it and the next time someone went to steal it they got their ass electrocuted. Don't remember if the thief died or not, but but the guy who booby trapped it got in trouble! Pure bull crap. I thought it was genius and justified personally.

Yeah, that's bull crap all right.  The entire story.  Nobody got "electrocuted" from a couple car batteries, even if a couple is three.  24 or 36 volts cannot push enough current into a "human body model" to create a hazard, and that is why safety standards such as UL/IEC 60065 and UL/ANSI/IEC 60950-1  allow untrained users to contact these voltages barehanded.

Well electrocuted was the wrong word i guess, because as i said I'm not sure if he did die or not. Maybe shocked would have been a better term. And a car battery could kill you, since its not necessarily the volts that do the killing in every situation, it's the Amps. The human body is rather resistive to electricity, since we aren't metal, and in a circuit like this the higher the resistance with a set amount of voltage, the higher the amps. No sure how many amps it takes to kill a man, but a battery can put out a pretty good amount depending on their ratings. So yes I agree, that little voltage won't kill you, the amps potentially will.


Exactly the reply I expected.  "It's not the volts, it's the amps".  And (almost) totally wrong.   (I'm an ass - should have thrown this out instead of waiting for the hook to set....)   You can put five hundred car batteries in parallel, grab the output in each hand and you will feel nothing, even with wet hands.  If you have wussy hands, there is some chance you might feel something, but it isn't likely even at 24 VDC.  The current flowing through your body will be precisely the same as if there was one car battery, or hundreds in parallel, one 12VDC lantern battery, or a 12VDC wall-wart.  The current will depend on the resistance through your skin and across your body and has nothing to do with the availability of source current because the resistance of your body will never be low enough that the internal impedance of the source will come into play.  (If that were the case, you would examining a Limited Current Circuit and not an SELV or Hazardous Voltage source)  If your body is 2,000 ohms (an unrealistically low estimate in this application) and you contact 12 VDC, there will be 6 mA through your body (not through your heart, through your body).  The only time stacking batteries in parallel would make any difference is if those batteries could not source 6 mA by themselves, which isn't the case for anything bigger than a watch battery.  In order for there to be higher currents, you need higher voltage, so while it may be the current that kills, you cannot achieve that current with 12 volts no matter how many amps the source can supply.

The exact value of resistance your body offers varies a lot.  2,000 ohms is sort of worst case and really applies for higher voltages.  The voltage determines how well electricity punches through the outer relatively non-conductive layers of your skin to get to the good juices that conduct better.   There are different human body models for different activities.  Search "touch current human body model" for more info.  Or substitute leakage testing for touch current.  Touch current is a newer term.
I found this right away and it looks very informative:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763825/
 
2014-07-09 03:58:56 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: You can put five hundred car batteries in parallel, grab the output in each hand and you will feel nothing, even with wet hands.


Someone in a fark thread once said "You could not kill someone with 500 car batteries wired in parallel"

To which someone replied:

"Sure I can. Take 500 car batteries, wire them in parallel, then drop them on someone from 500' in the air"
 
2014-07-09 05:03:54 PM

jst3p: Big_Fat_Liar: You can put five hundred car batteries in parallel, grab the output in each hand and you will feel nothing, even with wet hands.

Someone in a fark thread once said "You could not kill someone with 500 car batteries wired in parallel"

To which someone replied:

"Sure I can. Take 500 car batteries, wire them in parallel, then drop them on someone from 500' in the air"


I just called my insurance agent to check on my coverage...

I used to participate in professional forums more than I do today.  That was a concern people had. Anyone can BS on the internet, but when you offer opinions based on professional experience, you are actually opening yourself up to liability.   Sometimes a response can become so full of caveats it is just too much trouble to write.  So about now I should add....you cannot kill someone with 500 car batteries wired in parallel....until you drop a wrench across the output or you drop them out of a 10 story window....
 
2014-07-09 05:22:21 PM

JackieRabbit: That's just the deductible. Good central HVAC and heat pumps are expensive. The zoned system in my house cost $12K. But that's ok because it lowered my power bill by $400/mo. So it payed for itself for 30 months and has a 10 year warranty.


More to the point is, who buys home insurance with a $3K deductible?

/Yeah, I know. Poor folk. Just wondering.
 
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