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(New York Daily News)   North Carolina eleven year-old gets into an argument with his grandfather at their mobile home, then gets a loaded shotgun and puts an end to the discussion   (nydailynews.com ) divider line
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2014-07-08 09:30:58 PM  
6 votes:
The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.
2014-07-09 10:18:16 AM  
2 votes:

The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!


Actually, the responsible gun owners are the millions of other gun owners who managed to not shoot each other.
2014-07-09 12:15:10 PM  
1 vote:

RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.


And we're done. Grandfather shot father, son shot grandfather. Kid was protecting his father. Unless new info comes to light, the only thing left to do is ensure that the father stays alive and help the kid deal with the resulting trauma from the situation.
2014-07-09 02:28:13 AM  
1 vote:

thehobbes: lewismarktwo: OregonVet: brimed03: I'm actually fine with giving a kid a .22 and teaching him how to shoot, especially when they're young enough to be highly impressionable about gun safety.

Ummmm. yah. Put that stuff in your malleable kids' mind early often, and safely. Too many people are afraid of educating their children these days. My opinion is that early education prevents issues later. You don't want to have a gun in your home, fine. Take your kid to a range and let an instructor give a proper class and take the curiosity out of the equation. Go back to the 'gunsrbad brainwashing' when you get back home, if that's your thing. But some people could look at how much they spend on crap in lieu of educating their children because if it isn't offered in public schools it isn't worth knowing.

That won't happen much.  People who actually know something about firearms have have had the occasion to shoot them usually really enjoy the activity (especially if they get to shoot reactive targets such as unopened soda cans).  Then they wonder what all the fuss is about when no one gets shot 100 times a second with a 30 caliber magazine clip thing that goes up.

lewismarktwo: OregonVet: brimed03: I'm actually fine with giving a kid a .22 and teaching him how to shoot, especially when they're young enough to be highly impressionable about gun safety.

Ummmm. yah. Put that stuff in your malleable kids' mind early often, and safely. Too many people are afraid of educating their children these days. My opinion is that early education prevents issues later. You don't want to have a gun in your home, fine. Take your kid to a range and let an instructor give a proper class and take the curiosity out of the equation. Go back to the 'gunsrbad brainwashing' when you get back home, if that's your thing. But some people could look at how much they spend on crap in lieu of educating their children because if it isn't offered in public schools it isn't worth knowing.

That won't happen much.  People who actually know something about firearms have have had the occasion to shoot them usually really enjoy the activity (especially if they get to shoot reactive targets such as unopened soda cans).  Then they wonder what all the fuss is about when no one gets shot 100 times a second with a 30 caliber magazine clip thing that goes up.

Dad was military police. I never touched a firearm until the Army per his wishes. Haven't touched one since. 

Never understood the joy. It is a tool. That is all. I don't go around swinging a farking hammer at nothing or hitting concrete for practice. Firearms are a tool to accomplish a purpose. Anything more is masturbatory.


Some people are amazing with a hammer. Sometimes they're good enough to pass into folklore. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)
Also?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo

But I understand you don't mean this sort of thing. John Henry turned his accuracy into an art form, but it was still work. Michelangelo wasn't merely practicing accuracy, he was creating art.

Still, there are some similarities. As with most activities, target shooting is about the joy of being able to perform a complicated set of actions to a high level of skill. Precision shooting is a difficult task. Mastering difficult tasks is something humans enjoy. It's that simple.

Now, humans differ in what forms, what particular activities, they may enjoy mastering. But the basic drive should be fairly relatable.
2014-07-09 01:58:23 AM  
1 vote:

lewismarktwo: OregonVet: brimed03: I'm actually fine with giving a kid a .22 and teaching him how to shoot, especially when they're young enough to be highly impressionable about gun safety.

Ummmm. yah. Put that stuff in your malleable kids' mind early often, and safely. Too many people are afraid of educating their children these days. My opinion is that early education prevents issues later. You don't want to have a gun in your home, fine. Take your kid to a range and let an instructor give a proper class and take the curiosity out of the equation. Go back to the 'gunsrbad brainwashing' when you get back home, if that's your thing. But some people could look at how much they spend on crap in lieu of educating their children because if it isn't offered in public schools it isn't worth knowing.

That won't happen much.  People who actually know something about firearms have have had the occasion to shoot them usually really enjoy the activity (especially if they get to shoot reactive targets such as unopened soda cans).  Then they wonder what all the fuss is about when no one gets shot 100 times a second with a 30 caliber magazine clip thing that goes up.


lewismarktwo: OregonVet: brimed03: I'm actually fine with giving a kid a .22 and teaching him how to shoot, especially when they're young enough to be highly impressionable about gun safety.

Ummmm. yah. Put that stuff in your malleable kids' mind early often, and safely. Too many people are afraid of educating their children these days. My opinion is that early education prevents issues later. You don't want to have a gun in your home, fine. Take your kid to a range and let an instructor give a proper class and take the curiosity out of the equation. Go back to the 'gunsrbad brainwashing' when you get back home, if that's your thing. But some people could look at how much they spend on crap in lieu of educating their children because if it isn't offered in public schools it isn't worth knowing.

That won't happen much.  People who actually know something about firearms have have had the occasion to shoot them usually really enjoy the activity (especially if they get to shoot reactive targets such as unopened soda cans).  Then they wonder what all the fuss is about when no one gets shot 100 times a second with a 30 caliber magazine clip thing that goes up.


Dad was military police. I never touched a firearm until the Army per his wishes. Haven't touched one since. 

Never understood the joy. It is a tool. That is all. I don't go around swinging a farking hammer at nothing or hitting concrete for practice. Firearms are a tool to accomplish a purpose. Anything more is masturbatory.
2014-07-08 11:56:10 PM  
1 vote:

rkiller1: The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!

So the boy owned the shotgun?  I didn't read that in TFA.


Probably not, but he had access to it. Generally speaking, I'd call that "owner irresponsibility."

Seriously? I get advocating for gun rights, I do. But that doesn't mean everything involving guns should be free of criticism.

The fact is, you didn't choose to contest his criticism of an 11-year-old having access to a gun. You simply argued a semantic ambiguity in ownership attribution. To me, that's telling. Whatever tack you take next, that's where you started.

An 11-year-old having access to a shotgun is irresponsible.
2014-07-08 11:37:37 PM  
1 vote:

farkbot42: So, who is at fault here?


Obama.
2014-07-08 11:33:35 PM  
1 vote:

LoneVVolf: Way to tilt the story with a leading headline, Daily News... Grandfather shot the kid's dad first, prompting the defensive shot by the kid.


Yeah. It's not that a kid shot his grandpa. It's that the 84 year old shot his son, THEN the 11 year old shot his grandpa!
See, it's totally reasonable now.
2014-07-08 11:32:56 PM  
1 vote:

whatshisname: The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?


Back then you had 10-20 seconds to run away while the shooter dropped powder, ball, wadding then ram, ram, ram....heck, you had time to cut them.

But these days, nobody gives you a "black powder" headstart.....
2014-07-08 11:28:52 PM  
1 vote:

Waldo Pepper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.

I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that

a mobile home in carolina doesn't always indicate the stereotype that comes to mind. down here one can have a doublewide sitting on 10 acres of land with a swimming pool, two bmw's and a $60,000 ford dually in the driveway and both husband/wife both working white collar well paying jobs.


Which makes no sense whatsoever. But hey. Whatever. Rock on pale refuse.
2014-07-08 11:16:28 PM  
1 vote:

jaytkay: An armed society is a polite society.


I've never met a rude corpse.
2014-07-08 11:16:09 PM  
1 vote:
FTFA: Lloyd Peyton Woodlief is being treated at Duke Medical Center in Durham.

Well, that sucks.
2014-07-08 11:12:17 PM  
1 vote:

The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!


Seems like a solved problem.
2014-07-08 11:10:51 PM  
1 vote:
iamjackofalltrades.com
2014-07-08 09:34:55 PM  
1 vote:

RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.


I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that
 
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