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(New York Daily News)   North Carolina eleven year-old gets into an argument with his grandfather at their mobile home, then gets a loaded shotgun and puts an end to the discussion   (nydailynews.com) divider line 125
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2014-07-09 08:23:32 AM  

Waldo Pepper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.

I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that

a mobile home in carolina doesn't always indicate the stereotype that comes to mind. down here one can have a doublewide sitting on 10 acres of land with a swimming pool, two bmw's and a $60,000 ford dually in the driveway and both husband/wife both working white collar well paying jobs.


People are confusing manufactured housing with trailers. Double-wides are only mobile until they get installed at the job site; they're not designed to be hitched up and driven away the way single-wides are. Looking at TFA, you can see that guy's house is just a standard rural shiatbox that happened to have been built in a factory rather than on-site; it's not a trailer.
 
2014-07-09 08:30:20 AM  

doofusgumby: itsaidwhat: whatshisname: The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?

Back then you had 10-20 seconds to run away while the shooter dropped powder, ball, wadding then ram, ram, ram....heck, you had time to cut them.

But these days, nobody gives you a "black powder" headstart.....

The wad gets wrapped around the ball or preceeds it depending on the type. No wonder you couldn't hit the broadside of gramps on a sober day. YER BALL DONE FALL'D OUT.


You haz a confuse. The patch is wrapped around a ball only in a rifle using round balls (as opposed to self-expanding, conical minie bullets). Then you ram the bullet home, engaging the rifling with the patch.

In a smoothbore musket, the ball is dropped in loose after the powder, and the remains of the paper cartridge is rammed in on top of the ball to keep it from moving before it's fired. In a fowling piece, using shot rather than a single bullet, you use two wads: one to provide the powder something solid to push, and another on top of the shot to keep it from falling out.
 
2014-07-09 08:34:04 AM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: itsaidwhat: whatshisname: The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?

Back then you had 10-20 seconds to run away while the shooter dropped powder, ball, wadding then ram, ram, ram....heck, you had time to cut them.

But these days, nobody gives you a "black powder" headstart.....

Tap load 4 rounds the minute


Now, you an' I boath know y' can fire three roaunds a minnit. But can y' stand?
 
2014-07-09 08:42:42 AM  

brimed03: But anyway, even in this *specific* case, maybe if they were more strict about securing guns in the house, grandpa wouldn't have been able to express his hot-tempered displeasure in terms of caliber. That's another good thing about secured weapons with ammo in another, secured location: the time it takes to get them out gives you a few minutes to cool down. It also gives the other person a good head start on clearing out in case you don't.


But-but-but WHEN SECONDS COUNT!!!
 
2014-07-09 09:02:08 AM  

LazyMedia: Waldo Pepper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.

I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that

a mobile home in carolina doesn't always indicate the stereotype that comes to mind. down here one can have a doublewide sitting on 10 acres of land with a swimming pool, two bmw's and a $60,000 ford dually in the driveway and both husband/wife both working white collar well paying jobs.

People are confusing manufactured housing with trailers. Double-wides are only mobile until they get installed at the job site; they're not designed to be hitched up and driven away the way single-wides are. Looking at TFA, you can see that guy's house is just a standard rural shiatbox that happened to have been built in a factory rather than on-site; it's not a trailer.


O_o Double wides and single wides are made the same crappy way out of the same crappy material.  The axels being removed doesn't mean it wasn't a trailer.  The axels can be put back on, split the structure and be moved again.  However, once a redneck takes the wheels off of a car and puts it on blocks, it'll never move again.
 
2014-07-09 09:23:19 AM  

doofusgumby: itsaidwhat: whatshisname: The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?

Back then you had 10-20 seconds to run away while the shooter dropped powder, ball, wadding then ram, ram, ram....heck, you had time to cut them.

But these days, nobody gives you a "black powder" headstart.....

The wad gets wrapped around the ball or preceeds it depending on the type. No wonder you couldn't hit the broadside of gramps on a sober day. YER BALL DONE FALL'D OUT.


Thanks for the info. I appreciate the correction from an expert ball/wad cupper. Hehehe
 
2014-07-09 09:29:04 AM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: itsaidwhat: whatshisname: The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?

Back then you had 10-20 seconds to run away while the shooter dropped powder, ball, wadding then ram, ram, ram....heck, you had time to cut them.

But these days, nobody gives you a "black powder" headstart.....

Tap load 4 rounds the minute


Ok, so it's 10 secs to load, 5 to shoot, then repeat X 3. That's 4 loads per minute. One shooter is 11 and other is 111, I added a few seconds for age and of course you have to let the smoke clear when shooting powder in a manufactured home (single wide assumption in play...)

/dnrtfa
 
2014-07-09 10:18:16 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!


Actually, the responsible gun owners are the millions of other gun owners who managed to not shoot each other.
 
2014-07-09 10:44:28 AM  

doofusss: So what did he score on the FCAT?


He got a zero, but that's because he shot the procter...
 
2014-07-09 12:07:19 PM  

The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!


Absolutely.  Grandpa was apparently trying to murder his son by shooting him, so the grandson shot grandpa to prevent that.

Sounds like a righteous shoot, unless other facts come to light we haven't heard about.
 
2014-07-09 12:09:25 PM  
This is going to be a delicious time paradox.
 
2014-07-09 12:15:10 PM  

RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.


And we're done. Grandfather shot father, son shot grandfather. Kid was protecting his father. Unless new info comes to light, the only thing left to do is ensure that the father stays alive and help the kid deal with the resulting trauma from the situation.
 
2014-07-09 12:20:50 PM  

rkiller1: I own an eleven-year-old boy, so I'm getting a kick.



Great another "responsible kid owner"


I bet you will just walk right into starbucks with that thing and demand you be served.
 
2014-07-09 12:24:26 PM  

brimed03: When I joined my high school rifle team, I learned the difference between an adult supervising and an adult merely being present. I nearly quit over the unsafe practices I saw. Fortunately the coach tightened things up.

Cops, btw, are some of the most unsafe people you'll ever see on a firing range. We used to practice right after them and they'd leave all sorts of bullet-pocked shiat downrange, much of it with ...



I refuse to go to public ranges anymore because of all the idiots that show up now.

Last two times I was there: 1 guy had a "misfire" across the firing line that went through the roof over my head (and he was 8ish benches down??) and the last time some kids fired a high powered rifle at a swinging metal pistol target meant for small bore pistols from 30 feet away and hit a guy with the ricochet (sp?)
 
2014-07-09 12:28:35 PM  

FormlessOne: RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.

And we're done. Grandfather shot father, son shot grandfather. Kid was protecting his father. Unless new info comes to light, the only thing left to do is ensure that the father stays alive and help the kid deal with the resulting trauma from the situation.


I think a medal would do nicely, perhaps given at some kind of public ceremony, assuming that there isn't some information about the incident that doesn't point to him defending his own father from his grandfather.
 
2014-07-09 12:30:19 PM  

HalfOffOffer: The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!

Actually, the responsible gun owners are the millions of other gun owners who managed to not shoot each other.


Not necessarily.  Some percentage of the gun owners who intentionally shoot other people are responsible.

Unless, of course, you believe self-defense = bad.
 
2014-07-09 12:39:49 PM  

HalfOffOffer: The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!

Actually, the responsible gun owners are the millions of other gun owners who managed to not shoot each other.


Does that include those who shoot at each other, but miss ?
 
2014-07-09 12:56:18 PM  
Guns need to be totally outlawed...just like drugs are.
That's the only solution that will work...

Do *you* see any drugs being sold in the US?
Whazat? Colorado...AND Washington? Really?...errrm...
 
2014-07-09 01:08:34 PM  
Boy:  You call that a gun?
 
2014-07-09 01:35:30 PM  

sunnewswebguy: Guns need to be totally outlawed...just like drugs are.
That's the only solution that will work...

Do *you* see any drugs being sold in the US?
Whazat? Colorado...AND Washington? Really?...errrm...


that will work so well for the farmer/rancher who has this livestock attacked by a predator.
 
2014-07-09 02:23:08 PM  

capt.hollister: HalfOffOffer: The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!

Actually, the responsible gun owners are the millions of other gun owners who managed to not shoot each other.

Does that include those who shoot at each other, but miss ?


It's a fuzzy line. Though, what I can tell you is this... if your name is Billy Bob Joe Bob and you just shot your brother because he wanted to watch football and you wanted to watch Storage Wars... chances are you are falling more on the irresponsible side of the spectrum.
 
2014-07-09 03:42:11 PM  

2KanZam: rkiller1: I own an eleven-year-old boy, so I'm getting a kick.


Great another "responsible kid owner"  I bet you will just walk right into starbucks with that thing and demand you be served.


Only when I put him in the stroller.
 
2014-07-09 03:55:01 PM  
[OBVIOUS] tag out sodomizing its second cousin?
 
2014-07-09 05:08:18 PM  

sunnewswebguy: Guns need to be totally outlawed...just like drugs are.
That's the only solution that will work...

Do *you* see any drugs being sold in the US?
Whazat? Colorado...AND Washington? Really?...errrm...


Right, because somebody can be killed by having a joint smoked at them. Now, if you're saying that prohibition won't work, well, I agree with that, at least.
 
2014-07-10 12:12:59 AM  
OMG totally take my guns and quick, before this guy kills again!
 
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