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(New York Daily News)   North Carolina eleven year-old gets into an argument with his grandfather at their mobile home, then gets a loaded shotgun and puts an end to the discussion   (nydailynews.com) divider line 125
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2014-07-08 09:30:58 PM
The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.
 
2014-07-08 09:34:55 PM

RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.


I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that
 
2014-07-08 09:49:53 PM
Well, an unloaded shotgun is just a club.
 
2014-07-08 09:55:30 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

R.I.P. LIEGE AND LIEF

/at least it wasn't a "Matty Groves" situation...
 
2014-07-08 10:09:05 PM
Subby is one of them ILLiterut's, that's whut.
 
2014-07-08 10:35:51 PM
Firearms, mobile home, a family argument, I'm guessing there was booze or meth involved, I think I smell a good Aristocrats joke here.

Or it could be the clogged shiatter in the mobile home.
 
2014-07-08 11:07:15 PM
I own an eleven-year-old boy, so I'm getting a kick.
 
2014-07-08 11:08:03 PM
2nd amendment solutions!
 
2014-07-08 11:08:13 PM
It's not even Thanksgiving yet.
 
2014-07-08 11:08:16 PM
The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?
 
2014-07-08 11:09:57 PM
"Lloyd Woodlief, 84, had wounded his 49-year-old son Lloyd Peyton Woodlief with a .22-caliber gun before the unidentified boy fired a 12-gauge shotgun at his grandfather"

An armed society is a polite society.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:29 PM
rememnber, guns are good!
 
2014-07-08 11:10:47 PM
Way to tilt the story with a leading headline, Daily News... Grandfather shot the kid's dad first, prompting the defensive shot by the kid.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:51 PM
iamjackofalltrades.com
 
2014-07-08 11:10:54 PM
Responsible gun owners strike again!
 
2014-07-08 11:11:56 PM

The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!


So the boy owned the shotgun?  I didn't read that in TFA.
 
2014-07-08 11:12:17 PM

The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!


Seems like a solved problem.
 
2014-07-08 11:12:58 PM

LoneVVolf: Way to tilt the story with a leading headline, Daily News... Grandfather shot the kid's dad first, prompting the defensive shot by the kid.


To be fair, if my grandpa shot my dad, I'd get into an argument with him.
 
2014-07-08 11:13:52 PM
I'm betting French fries, tater tots or some other fried potato product was involved.
 
2014-07-08 11:14:00 PM

RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.


Indeed. Don't mess with the dynamics of an 'Murican family.
 
2014-07-08 11:16:09 PM
FTFA: Lloyd Peyton Woodlief is being treated at Duke Medical Center in Durham.

Well, that sucks.
 
2014-07-08 11:16:28 PM

jaytkay: An armed society is a polite society.


I've never met a rude corpse.
 
2014-07-08 11:18:28 PM
So, who is at fault here?
 
2014-07-08 11:20:23 PM

John Buck 41: Well, an unloaded shotgun is just a club.


That's a feature.
 
2014-07-08 11:21:42 PM

RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know). His grandfather shot his dad. Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.


Yup, this looks like a justified shoot to me.
 
2014-07-08 11:23:31 PM
Bonus: They were ALL drunk!

Okay, yeah, yeah, that's just implied, like the mobile home.
 
2014-07-08 11:25:16 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.

I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that


a mobile home in carolina doesn't always indicate the stereotype that comes to mind. down here one can have a doublewide sitting on 10 acres of land with a swimming pool, two bmw's and a $60,000 ford dually in the driveway and both husband/wife both working white collar well paying jobs.
 
2014-07-08 11:26:36 PM
It's a good thing all those guns were lying around so responsible owners could stand their ground and stop the bad man with the gun.
 
2014-07-08 11:28:52 PM

Waldo Pepper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.

I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that

a mobile home in carolina doesn't always indicate the stereotype that comes to mind. down here one can have a doublewide sitting on 10 acres of land with a swimming pool, two bmw's and a $60,000 ford dually in the driveway and both husband/wife both working white collar well paying jobs.


Which makes no sense whatsoever. But hey. Whatever. Rock on pale refuse.
 
2014-07-08 11:32:18 PM
Lloyd Woodlief, 84, had wounded his 49-year-old son Lloyd Peyton Woodlief with a .22-caliber gun before the unidentified boy fired a 12-gauge shotgun at his grandfather, the Vance County Sheriff's Office said.

So nothing of value was lost.

S:"Here is a wide."
C:"Ooooo, hmmm, not really wha..."
S:"And here's a double-wide."
C:"Holy shiat, son!  Now that's exac..."
S:"And here's a 5th dimensional portal."
C:"..., ..."
 
2014-07-08 11:32:56 PM

whatshisname: The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?


Back then you had 10-20 seconds to run away while the shooter dropped powder, ball, wadding then ram, ram, ram....heck, you had time to cut them.

But these days, nobody gives you a "black powder" headstart.....
 
2014-07-08 11:33:21 PM
At least he's not his own grandpa
 
2014-07-08 11:33:35 PM

LoneVVolf: Way to tilt the story with a leading headline, Daily News... Grandfather shot the kid's dad first, prompting the defensive shot by the kid.


Yeah. It's not that a kid shot his grandpa. It's that the 84 year old shot his son, THEN the 11 year old shot his grandpa!
See, it's totally reasonable now.
 
2014-07-08 11:35:43 PM
oregoncommentator.com
 
2014-07-08 11:37:37 PM

farkbot42: So, who is at fault here?


Obama.
 
2014-07-08 11:40:55 PM
Idiot just failed the "I wanna be a cop test".  You club them real good first (make sure the bruises are evenly applied for aesthetic reasons) and then you shoot them!
 
2014-07-08 11:44:58 PM

whatshisname: The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?


The second amendment is misinterpreted.  It's not the right to bear arms, it's the right to arm bears.  A little transcription error and Thomas Jefferson's dream of an ursine army disappeared forever.

s30.postimg.org
 
2014-07-08 11:44:59 PM

Prof. Frink: farkbot42: So, who is at fault here?

Obama.


That's ALWAYS the answer.
 
2014-07-08 11:45:08 PM

LoneVVolf: Way to tilt the story with a leading headline, Daily News... Grandfather shot the kid's dad first, prompting the defensive shot by the kid.


Yes, that makes the whole thing much better. It's practically a non-story now.

/headline extry-sensationalizes it, I'll agree, but I don't think it "tilts" anything
 
2014-07-08 11:46:05 PM

rkiller1: I own an eleven-year-old boy, so I'm getting a kick.


Keep phrasing it that way and he might take this story as an illustrative model.
 
2014-07-08 11:48:19 PM
The family that slays together, stays together.

/at least the surviving members
 
2014-07-08 11:53:13 PM

itsaidwhat: whatshisname: The Second Amendment never anticipated that 50% of the population are below average intelligence, did it?

Back then you had 10-20 seconds to run away while the shooter dropped powder, ball, wadding then ram, ram, ram....heck, you had time to cut them.

But these days, nobody gives you a "black powder" headstart.....


The wad gets wrapped around the ball or preceeds it depending on the type. No wonder you couldn't hit the broadside of gramps on a sober day. YER BALL DONE FALL'D OUT.
 
2014-07-08 11:54:39 PM

brimed03: rkiller1: I own an eleven-year-old boy, so I'm getting a kick.

Keep phrasing it that way and he might take this story as an illustrative model.


You assume he can read.
 
2014-07-08 11:56:10 PM

rkiller1: The Martian Manhandler: Responsible gun owners strike again!

So the boy owned the shotgun?  I didn't read that in TFA.


Probably not, but he had access to it. Generally speaking, I'd call that "owner irresponsibility."

Seriously? I get advocating for gun rights, I do. But that doesn't mean everything involving guns should be free of criticism.

The fact is, you didn't choose to contest his criticism of an 11-year-old having access to a gun. You simply argued a semantic ambiguity in ownership attribution. To me, that's telling. Whatever tack you take next, that's where you started.

An 11-year-old having access to a shotgun is irresponsible.
 
2014-07-08 11:56:59 PM

LoneVVolf: Way to tilt the story with a leading headline, Daily News... Grandfather shot the kid's dad first, prompting the defensive shot by the kid.


If you are arguing that it implicates the child unfairly, fair enough, but if you are making a pro-gun argument, well, the headline leaves out one whole family shooting family part of the story.  I think it's still fair to say that there would have probably been fewer fatalities in the trailer park today if that particular trailer hadn't had any guns in it.
 
2014-07-08 11:57:43 PM

farkbot42: Waldo Pepper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.

I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that

a mobile home in carolina doesn't always indicate the stereotype that comes to mind. down here one can have a doublewide sitting on 10 acres of land with a swimming pool, two bmw's and a $60,000 ford dually in the driveway and both husband/wife both working white collar well paying jobs.

Which makes no sense whatsoever. But hey. Whatever. Rock on pale refuse.


why spend the money on a building when it can be spent on land or have a vacation home at the lake or beach. make more sense than have a mcmansion on a 1/4 acre
 
2014-07-09 12:00:29 AM

rkiller1: I own an eleven-year-old boy, so I'm getting a kick.


So, do you keep your eleven-year-old boy loaded, or unloaded?
 
2014-07-09 12:01:46 AM

macross87: At least he's not his own grandpa


That would be terrible.  I mean, that would make this a suicide, and surely someone would go to hell for that.  No, this was much better.  The grandfather didn't kill anyone (the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill, but it's fine to maim') and the boy will have time to repent, (although I'm pretty sure the Constitution overrides the Bible here and you don't go to hell if you kill someone with a gun.)

So yes, it's good that he is not his own grandpa.
 
2014-07-09 12:01:50 AM
Is the boy still around? I've heard that if you kill your own grandfather, you cease to exist.
 
2014-07-09 12:02:10 AM

farkbot42: Waldo Pepper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: RodneyToady: The story doesn't exactly match the headline (welcome to Fark, I know).  His grandfather shot his dad.  Sounds like a reasonable case of self-defense.

I thought mentioning the mobile home was redundant, too

/you just kind of assume that

a mobile home in carolina doesn't always indicate the stereotype that comes to mind. down here one can have a doublewide sitting on 10 acres of land with a swimming pool, two bmw's and a $60,000 ford dually in the driveway and both husband/wife both working white collar well paying jobs.

Which makes no sense whatsoever. But hey. Whatever. Rock on pale refuse.


Well, I dunno. It's all about where you choose to spend your money. They could build a four-bedroom split-level with two-car garage, and not have money for the pool and extra vehicle. Some people might consider what they do a good trade-off.

Remember the "upper-middle-class" guy in the commercial: "How do I do it? I'm in debt up to my eyeballs!" Now *that* makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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