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2014-07-08 09:52:47 PM
Thank God.
I'm sooo tired of hearing people whine about it. Never bothered me.
 
2014-07-08 09:55:28 PM

lindalouwho: Thank God.
I'm sooo tired of hearing people whine about it. Never bothered me.


Did you click the link? Not sure that's quite the solution.
 
2014-07-08 09:58:57 PM
www.milehighautomation.com

Screw ergonomics!
 
2014-07-08 10:03:37 PM

SmackLT: lindalouwho: Thank God.
I'm sooo tired of hearing people whine about it. Never bothered me.

Did you click the link? Not sure that's quite the solution.


Yeah. It's square so it won't matter.

Wait. You're trying to tell me there will still be whining, aren't you?

*sigh*
 
2014-07-08 10:04:36 PM
How has this company not gone bankrupt yet?
 
2014-07-08 10:08:54 PM
so L7 is "like the IMAX of productivity" ?
 
2014-07-08 10:12:40 PM
Square just doesn't make any kind of sense, how are you supposed to hold that one handed while talking?  It looks like it would be very awkward.

There is an argument for a 4:3 screen like the iPads use, it's closer to the natural aspect ratio of a printed page, and makes reading websites as well as documents easier, while it's also pretty decent in landscape mode for video.  Going straight up square is just bizarre though.
 
2014-07-08 10:22:29 PM
They are going to corner the market on people who work with spreadsheets on their phone but are incapable of turning them sideways and are old enough to still prefer a Blackberry but not so old that they need reading glasses.
 
2014-07-08 10:40:11 PM
If it has a built-in keyboard, I'm sold.
 
2014-07-08 10:52:49 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: If it has a built-in keyboard, I'm sold.


I switched over from a Blackberry to an iPhone 5S, and I love the iPhone, but I'm not doing enough iPhone-y stuff on it to justify the aggravation I experience with the small touchscreen keyboard.  I'm seriously considering going back to a phone with a keyboard after my contract is up.

But Blackberry better have their goddamn slow-ass browser issues worked out, or it's a no-go.  I browse the web all the time on the iPhone, and it's a pleasure compared to my old Blackberry.
 
2014-07-08 11:07:23 PM
The CEO has gotta be investing heavily in puts of his own company.

"Hey, Bob. Yeah just buy 20000 options. Huh? I don't care about the ethics, just do it. What are you my f*cking lawyer? Hold on a sec, Bob, I gotta talk to this schmuck over here in design...Oh yeah, square, I love it! Genius! How many can we order? 10 million? Should we order 100 million? Can you make the edges sharper?"
 
2014-07-08 11:21:07 PM
I miss my Palm Prē.
 
2014-07-08 11:30:33 PM
DNRTFA, but does it just flash the screen telling people to hold the phone properly?
 
2014-07-08 11:38:18 PM
i.imgur.comhack.orgarchive.computerhistory.org

1989 called. It wants its NCD.
 
2014-07-08 11:49:12 PM

Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 224x737][hack.org image 113x157][archive.computerhistory.org image 131x150]

1989 called. It wants its NCD.


That looks like an X-term with a 4:3 monitor in portrait mode.  It could actually be useful for work processing or programming where vertical space is more important than horizontal.

One of the big general purpose computer labs at my college had a bunch of X-Windows terminals, but they'd recently started adding real Windows PCs and Macs as well, so nobody ever wanted to use the X-terms.  I loved the things, there was never a line to use them (unlike the PCs and Macs) and they all had very high resolution displays so I could have a bunch of stuff on screen at once.
 
2014-07-09 12:17:24 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 224x737][hack.org image 113x157][archive.computerhistory.org image 131x150]

1989 called. It wants its NCD.

That looks like an X-term with a 4:3 monitor in portrait mode.  It could actually be useful for work processing or programming where vertical space is more important than horizontal.


It's an X terminal, but it really had a 1024x1024 16" square, 1:1 aspect ratio, CRT. Where they sourced the tubes I have no idea; RAM was expensive, but low-volume CRTs were still more expensive in 1989 than the savings from having 128K of video RAM (1MBit = 1024x1024 monochrome pixels) in one chip compared to having five 256kbiatchips for 1280x1024 and being able to use an off-the-shelf 4:3 monitor like their subsequent designs did. Maybe they got a deal on a bunch of surplus 1:1 tubes from some defense contractor or other custom hardware provider.
 
2014-07-09 12:38:44 AM

Twilight Farkle: TuteTibiImperes: Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 224x737][hack.org image 113x157][archive.computerhistory.org image 131x150]

1989 called. It wants its NCD.

That looks like an X-term with a 4:3 monitor in portrait mode.  It could actually be useful for work processing or programming where vertical space is more important than horizontal.

It's an X terminal, but it really had a 1024x1024 16" square, 1:1 aspect ratio, CRT. Where they sourced the tubes I have no idea; RAM was expensive, but low-volume CRTs were still more expensive in 1989 than the savings from having 128K of video RAM (1MBit = 1024x1024 monochrome pixels) in one chip compared to having five 256kbiatchips for 1280x1024 and being able to use an off-the-shelf 4:3 monitor like their subsequent designs did. Maybe they got a deal on a bunch of surplus 1:1 tubes from some defense contractor or other custom hardware provider.


Huh.  What a bizarre little footnote in the history of computers.
 
2014-07-09 12:58:25 AM
Thats not a problem. What is a problem is assholes who take photos with their phones sideways and dont correct it before uploading
 
2014-07-09 12:59:43 AM

The Bestest: How has this company not gone bankrupt yet?


Government contracts? Not sure if it's still true but supposedly Obama is stuck with a government-approved secure Blackberry for his personal use even though he prefers Apple.
 
2014-07-09 01:01:35 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Twilight Farkle: TuteTibiImperes: Twilight Farkle: [i.imgur.com image 224x737][hack.org image 113x157][archive.computerhistory.org image 131x150]

1989 called. It wants its NCD.

That looks like an X-term with a 4:3 monitor in portrait mode.  It could actually be useful for work processing or programming where vertical space is more important than horizontal.

It's an X terminal, but it really had a 1024x1024 16" square, 1:1 aspect ratio, CRT. Where they sourced the tubes I have no idea; RAM was expensive, but low-volume CRTs were still more expensive in 1989 than the savings from having 128K of video RAM (1MBit = 1024x1024 monochrome pixels) in one chip compared to having five 256kbiatchips for 1280x1024 and being able to use an off-the-shelf 4:3 monitor like their subsequent designs did. Maybe they got a deal on a bunch of surplus 1:1 tubes from some defense contractor or other custom hardware provider.

Huh.  What a bizarre little footnote in the history of computers.


not to mention an awesome filterpwn
 
2014-07-09 01:08:08 AM
It doesn't solve anything if no one buys it to even use it, subby

/even if the idea of a square phone is a shiat one
//reminds me of this phone:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-09 01:08:39 AM
I like BlackBerry phones. My last few (and current) phone have been a blackberry and I have been very happy.

This looks dumb.
 
2014-07-09 01:10:46 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Square just doesn't make any kind of sense, how are you supposed to hold that one handed while talking? It looks like it would be very awkward.


From a casual glance, only the screen itself is square.

The phone is still a rectangle (draw a line between opposite corners, the angles aren't right for a square.).

So really all they did was make a fatter phone :P
 
2014-07-09 01:16:07 AM

The Smails Kid: TuteTibiImperes: Twilight Farkle:
five 256kbiatchips for 1280x1024 and being able to use an off-the-shelf 4:3 monitor like their subsequent designs did. Maybe they got a deal on a bunch of surplus 1:1 tubes from some defense contractor or other custom hardware provider.

Huh.  What a bizarre little footnote in the history of computers.

not to mention an awesome filterpwn


This. And if I ever see one of those units again, I'll be sure to take pictures. Those little thumbnail-sized pics were all the evidence I could find that they ever existed.

Back to BBRY, I wonder if the economics of LCD panel production makes it possible for moderate/low-volume square LCD screens to be produced more cheaply from rejected panels with dead/bright pixels that would render them useless for 2560x1440 LCD/OLED screens, but which could be chopped 1440x1440 screens.

I don't know enough about LCD/OLED fabrication to speculate; if you're fabricating hunks of glass with 1440000x1440000 bits of chemistry on them, maybe the cost per (mega)pixel is about the same regardless of display resolution, and Blackberry may have decieded on 1440x1440 because their UX team decided to take the same ergonomic gamble on a 1:1 aspect ratio that NCD did.
 
2014-07-09 01:23:06 AM
So they bashed rectangular as being boring and said they would do square? Square is, by definition, boring. Being square is supposed to be a bad thing!
 
2014-07-09 01:23:34 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Square just doesn't make any kind of sense, how are you supposed to hold that one handed while talking?  It looks like it would be very awkward.

There is an argument for a 4:3 screen like the iPads use, it's closer to the natural aspect ratio of a printed page, and makes reading websites as well as documents easier, while it's also pretty decent in landscape mode for video.  Going straight up square is just bizarre though.


4:3 is good for handhelds, and fine for monitors. 16:10, however, is great for monitors. 16:9 is wrong, especially for work and browsing, though it does what it has to for TV.
 
2014-07-09 01:26:00 AM

Tobin_Lam: So they bashed rectangular as being boring and said they would do square? Square is, by definition, boring. Being square is supposed to be a bad thing!


square is by definition rectangular
 
2014-07-09 01:38:17 AM

feanorn: TuteTibiImperes: Square just doesn't make any kind of sense, how are you supposed to hold that one handed while talking?  It looks like it would be very awkward.

There is an argument for a 4:3 screen like the iPads use, it's closer to the natural aspect ratio of a printed page, and makes reading websites as well as documents easier, while it's also pretty decent in landscape mode for video.  Going straight up square is just bizarre though.

4:3 is good for handhelds, and fine for monitors. 16:10, however, is great for monitors. 16:9 is wrong, especially for work and browsing, though it does what it has to for TV.


I had a Surface and I never could get used to the 16:9 screen. It just felt downright weird for portrait mode usage. Lately, I've been using a Dell Venue 8 Pro, and not only is the smaller size better but the 16:10 ratio for the screen is so much more comfortable to use. It's a small thing, but it makes a big difference.
 
2014-07-09 01:38:48 AM
Now how will they solve the problem of 'That phone is farking ugly, awkwardly-shaped, and too damn big'?
 
2014-07-09 01:45:24 AM
That thing looks awkward. It's like a phone some crazy upper middle manager would think is BRILLIANT. farking borg robots.
 
2014-07-09 01:45:38 AM
Anybody remember that time years ago when you could say you have a blackberry and not feel a twinge of deep-seated shame?  Hah, yeah, me either.
 
2014-07-09 01:51:18 AM
I have no say whatsoever in the phone that my employer chooses to give me.  They are currently in love with iPhones from a few generations back, because they're cheap. So that is what I get to deal with ;)
 
2014-07-09 01:56:36 AM
That thing won't shoot any video after it gets dropped, which will be often.
 
2014-07-09 01:56:41 AM

The Bestest: How has this company not gone bankrupt yet?


this will end up being the biggest mystery of the 21st century.
 
2014-07-09 02:02:17 AM
And make you look like the type who owns and regularly changes his/her pocket protector.

And has a fanny pack...

And can't fit his phone in his pocket...
 
2014-07-09 02:02:45 AM

some_beer_drinker: The Bestest: How has this company not gone bankrupt yet?

this will end up being the biggest mystery of the 21st century.


Much like RadioShack here in the US, Blackberry is on reality an elaborate money laundering scheme. Rob Ford is probably involved somehow.
 
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2014-07-09 02:03:45 AM
My nightmare of having a phone I would use in public is over.
 
2014-07-09 02:23:26 AM
They're talking about manipulating spreadsheets. I can't imagine a hell any worse than working with spreadsheets on a mobile device.
 
2014-07-09 02:24:04 AM

Mad_Radhu: some_beer_drinker: The Bestest: How has this company not gone bankrupt yet?

this will end up being the biggest mystery of the 21st century.

Much like RadioShack here in the US, Blackberry is on reality an elaborate money laundering scheme. Rob Ford is probably involved somehow.


i.imgur.com

Because Prem Watsa of Farfax Holdings is a Canuck badass when it comes to deep value plays. He doesn't always get it right, and I think he's farked up on this one, but over the past 30 years, he's been right a hell of a lot more often than I have.
 
2014-07-09 02:58:23 AM

Lsherm: AverageAmericanGuy: If it has a built-in keyboard, I'm sold.

I switched over from a Blackberry to an iPhone 5S, and I love the iPhone, but I'm not doing enough iPhone-y stuff on it to justify the aggravation I experience with the small touchscreen keyboard.  I'm seriously considering going back to a phone with a keyboard after my contract is up.

But Blackberry better have their goddamn slow-ass browser issues worked out, or it's a no-go.  I browse the web all the time on the iPhone, and it's a pleasure compared to my old Blackberry.


BB10 (and PBOS) have one of the fastest and most feature complete browsers in existence.  Sadly, it's the only good thing about the platform and the company.
 
2014-07-09 03:01:22 AM

lindalouwho: Thank God.
I'm sooo tired of hearing people whine about it. Never bothered me.


That right there is all I need to read to know you are a god damn replicant. Human beings have wide aspect ratio stereo vision because of the placement of their eyes. Shooting video at the OPPOSITE of that ratio is something only the stupidest of the stupid do. Also replicants, which is how I know you are one.
 
2014-07-09 03:19:31 AM

AgentPothead: lindalouwho: Thank God.
I'm sooo tired of hearing people whine about it. Never bothered me.

That right there is all I need to read to know you are a god damn replicant. Human beings have wide aspect ratio stereo vision because of the placement of their eyes. Shooting video at the OPPOSITE of that ratio is something only the stupidest of the stupid do. Also replicants, which is how I know you are one.


Also, the video is inevitably going to be shown on a landscape monitor or television, so you wind up with the vertical video taking up a tiny little strip in the middle of the display. It's especially bad when you have a widescreen vertical video on a widescreen TV, where the two conspire to make roughly 80% of the big display wasted space when playing back the vertical video.
 
2014-07-09 03:30:36 AM
I'm sure walking around with a $500+ hand held device won't get me robbed. And certainly my data is safe with the Android operating system.

Oh you.
 
2014-07-09 03:56:04 AM

Tobin_Lam: boring


Don't you know it's hip to be square ?
 
2014-07-09 04:57:09 AM

Mad_Radhu: some_beer_drinker: The Bestest: How has this company not gone bankrupt yet?

this will end up being the biggest mystery of the 21st century.

Much like RadioShack here in the US, Blackberry is on reality an elaborate money laundering scheme. Rob Ford is probably involved somehow.


i.huffpost.com
no comment
 
2014-07-09 05:02:39 AM
It's an unusual looking phone, but I'm oddly attracted to it in that photo.

cdn.arstechnica.net

I suppose it's the two uggos it's wedged between.
 
2014-07-09 05:13:21 AM
Does it have a velcro strap on the back like on those boxing sparring pads?
 
KIA
2014-07-09 05:37:18 AM
How about a secure, encrypted phone that doesn't rape your personal data with every action?  Can we do that, please?

Also: I loved my old blackberry back in the day as a business tool.  It kept months of emails, not just a few days and I could bang out a response quickly and accurately with the physical keyboard.

Having said that, the world has moved on and expects more from a phone now.  Know what I want?  A secure phone with a physical keyboard and half-screen most of the time that will flip out to a full screen when I need more real estate for bigger files or want it for entertainment or other things.  Get on that, make it a flagship product with top-of-the-line camera, processor, storage and connectivity and I'll pay you your premium gladly.
 
2014-07-09 05:54:22 AM

Lsherm: AverageAmericanGuy: If it has a built-in keyboard, I'm sold.

I switched over from a Blackberry to an iPhone 5S, and I love the iPhone, but I'm not doing enough iPhone-y stuff on it to justify the aggravation I experience with the small touchscreen keyboard.  I'm seriously considering going back to a phone with a keyboard after my contract is up.

But Blackberry better have their goddamn slow-ass browser issues worked out, or it's a no-go.  I browse the web all the time on the iPhone, and it's a pleasure compared to my old Blackberry.


I'm.tying.from.an.iphone.can.yo u.tell?
 
2014-07-09 06:03:09 AM

Lsherm: I switched over from a Blackberry to an iPhone 5S, and I love the iPhone, but I'm not doing enough iPhone-y stuff on it to justify the aggravation I experience with the small touchscreen keyboard.  I'm seriously considering going back to a phone with a keyboard after my contract is up.


Out of curiosity, have you ever tried the Swype virtual keyboard? It's standard on a lot of Android devices now; not sure about iPhone. Nature blessed me with these super-fat thumbs, and I had problems with nearly every standard screen keyboard I tried; the iPhone was by far the worst. I've come to love Swype, especially as someone who is a fast typer--I can slide around all fast and sloppy and it still gets it right 90% of the time.
 
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