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(Huffington Post UK)   A comparison of airline service now with that of the Golden Age of Flight in the 1960s, when you could smoke and drink on planes, bring on what you wanted because no one checks the bags and die five times as often in crashes   (huffingtonpost.co.uk ) divider line
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2014-07-08 12:11:02 PM  
Aah, for the days when aviation was a gentleman's pursuit - back before every Joe Sweatsock could wedge himself behind a lunch tray and jet off to Raleigh-Durham.
 
2014-07-08 12:17:00 PM  
I think I'll take the extra freedoms and the greater risk, thanks.
 
2014-07-08 12:44:42 PM  
The plane in this picture is the Comet:

i.huffpost.com

Which was one of the least safe designs ever to go into (thankfully brief) service.
 
2014-07-08 12:45:30 PM  
i.huffpost.com

I could think of a few ways to entertain these ladies 'in flight'.

IfyaknowwhatImean.
 
2014-07-08 01:05:22 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I could think of a few ways to entertain these ladies 'in flight'.


Why would she get that particular tattoo?  Besides poor impulse control, of course.
 
2014-07-08 01:07:23 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: [i.huffpost.com image 850x565]

I could think of a few ways to entertain these ladies 'in flight'.

IfyaknowwhatImean.


Like getting her to explain what the hell she was thinking when she got that tattoo?
 
2014-07-08 01:08:08 PM  

Dr.Fey: DjangoStonereaver: I could think of a few ways to entertain these ladies 'in flight'.

Why would she get that particular tattoo?  Besides poor impulse control, of course.


Two minutes. Not even close. I are shamed.
 
2014-07-08 01:08:23 PM  
I'm not convinced I, or anyone else, could die 5 times as often.

Whether it's today or 50 years ago, chances are you will only die once.
 
2014-07-08 01:35:36 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: [i.huffpost.com image 850x565]

I could think of a few ways to entertain these ladies 'in flight'.

IfyaknowwhatImean.


Show them cat videos you saved to your iPad?
 
2014-07-08 01:51:12 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The plane in this picture is the Comet:

[i.huffpost.com image 850x624]

Which was one of the least safe designs ever to go into (thankfully brief) service.


That's like saying: Thank God the Model T is off the road, that deathtrap.

It's technically correct but you glaze over all the benefits their mistakes had for Boeing, Douglas and all the other jet airliner makers of the day. They would have had the same problems if they'd been first.
 
2014-07-08 02:18:06 PM  
i895.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-08 02:26:42 PM  
Fun Fact:

Back when smoking was allowed on flights, it made it easier to find small air leaks.  (Due to the tar build-up around the tiny hole....learned that from a Boeing engineer.)

/Flew first class on British and Emirates back in May.
//I can now die happy.
 
2014-07-08 02:27:58 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: [i.huffpost.com image 850x565]

I could think of a few ways to entertain these ladies 'in flight'.

IfyaknowwhatImean.



Hey ladies, you want to make a Sponge sandwich?
 
2014-07-08 02:37:24 PM  
seenheardknown.commedia-cache-ak0.pinimg.com

Those were also the days of mini-skirts and thigh-highs.
 
2014-07-08 02:39:27 PM  

StrikitRich: [seenheardknown.com image 500x368][media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 236x355]

Those were also the days of mini-skirts and thigh-highs.



And Southwest had hot pants.

i508.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-08 02:52:18 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: DjangoStonereaver: The plane in this picture is the Comet:

[i.huffpost.com image 850x624]

Which was one of the least safe designs ever to go into (thankfully brief) service.

That's like saying: Thank God the Model T is off the road, that deathtrap.

It's technically correct but you glaze over all the benefits their mistakes had for Boeing, Douglas and all the other jet airliner makers of the day. They would have had the same problems if they'd been first.


Yup. The Comet certainly had massive issues- the square window stress concentration is one of the first things we talked about in several of my structural analysis & fatigue classes- but it also pioneered a number of things that we take for granted on airliners these days- including the 'jetliner' itself.
 
2014-07-08 02:57:03 PM  

The_Sponge: StrikitRich: [seenheardknown.com image 500x368][media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 236x355]

Those were also the days of mini-skirts and thigh-highs.


And Southwest had hot pants.

[i508.photobucket.com image 374x504]


Bu-bu-but Bush!
 
2014-07-08 03:49:21 PM  
1950s: Inflight entertainment = Postcards

I consider free booze to be in the in-flight entertainment.  They also let you into the cockpit and they had lounges.  A guy I work with regaled me with a story of drinking in the cockpit of Concorde in 1982.  I'll take that over reruns of NBC sitcoms.
 
2014-07-08 04:14:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: 1950s: Inflight entertainment = Postcards

I consider free booze to be in the in-flight entertainment.  They also let you into the cockpit and they had lounges.  A guy I work with regaled me with a story of drinking in the cockpit of Concorde in 1982.  I'll take that over reruns of NBC sitcoms.


I made a flight crew nervous once by looking up the spiral staircase on a 747.  I wasn't interested so much in the flight cabin as whether there was still evidence of a piano bar up there.
 
2014-07-08 04:18:12 PM  
I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.  Also, I could check or bring on as many bags as I wanted to for free.  I could carry on liquids, I didn't have to take off my shoes and coat to go through security, and I went through metal detectors instead of rape scanners.  And despite it being most likely gross, they served food on the plane in coach for free.  Also, the seats weren't so crammed together that there was no leg room.

It seems like so long ago and so foreign at this point that things were so much better - yet it really wasn't that long ago.
 
2014-07-08 04:23:21 PM  

PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.  Also, I could check or bring on as many bags as I wanted to for free.  I could carry on liquids, I didn't have to take off my shoes and coat to go through security, and I went through metal detectors instead of rape scanners.  And despite it being most likely gross, they served food on the plane in coach for free.  Also, the seats weren't so crammed together that there was no leg room.

It seems like so long ago and so foreign at this point that things were so much better - yet it really wasn't that long ago.


I had to remove my coat for the metal detector in the 80s.
 
2014-07-08 04:30:09 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not convinced I, or anyone else, could die 5 times as often.

Whether it's today or 50 years ago, chances are you will only die once.


A Coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man but one.
 
2014-07-08 04:46:47 PM  

Rapmaster2000: 1950s: Inflight entertainment = Postcards

I consider free booze to be in the in-flight entertainment.  They also let you into the cockpit and they had lounges.  A guy I work with regaled me with a story of drinking in the cockpit of Concorde in 1982.  I'll take that over reruns of NBC sitcoms.



When I was a kid, I was lucky enough to hang out in the flight deck on a 767 from a flight from Copenhagen to Seattle.

/For the record, the pilot didn't ask me regarding my preference for gladiator movies.
 
2014-07-08 04:54:02 PM  
Still safer than modern-day Chicago.
 
2014-07-08 05:05:02 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The plane in this picture is the Comet:

[i.huffpost.com image 850x624]

Which was one of the least safe designs ever to go into (thankfully brief) service.


And this was the Lockheed Constellation.

www.conniesurvivors.com

It must have been very expensive and tedious to build...but it sure looks purty.
 
2014-07-08 05:38:14 PM  

The_Sponge: /For the record, the pilot didn't ask me regarding my preference for gladiator movies.


I took care of his summer home until his passing a few years back. His wife is one of the nicest people I've ever met.
 
2014-07-08 05:42:55 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I think I'll take the extra freedoms and the greater risk, thanks.


Interesting. How do you think you can manage that?
 
2014-07-08 05:44:10 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not convinced I, or anyone else, could die 5 times as often.

Whether it's today or 50 years ago, chances are you will only die once.


There's someone who spouts this kind of thing all the time. Is it you?
 
2014-07-08 05:51:12 PM  

GaperKiller: The_Sponge: /For the record, the pilot didn't ask me regarding my preference for gladiator movies.

I took care of his summer home until his passing a few years back. His wife is one of the nicest people I've ever met.



Very cool.
 
2014-07-08 06:03:06 PM  

PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.


That one still happens on occasion.  Last year I flew on Southwest from San Diego to San Jose, and I think the plane was only one-third full.  I actually had a whole row to myself.

/don't expect to get that lucky again for a very long time
 
2014-07-08 06:05:39 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: DjangoStonereaver: The plane in this picture is the Comet:

[i.huffpost.com image 850x624]

Which was one of the least safe designs ever to go into (thankfully brief) service.

And this was the Lockheed Constellation.

[www.conniesurvivors.com image 415x277]

It must have been very expensive and tedious to build...but it sure looks purty.



When you're talking the Constellation, you gotta go with the Super G.

Helluva plane.

My Dad was a flight engineer on these.

airlinersgallery.smugmug.com
 
2014-07-08 06:51:06 PM  
5 times almost never is still pretty much almost never. There's a reason plane crashes make the news and automobile crashes don't.

Also, there was no civilian GPS or electronic moving map in the '60s. Much easier to fly into a mountain when you don't have a computer display showing you where all the mountains are.
 
2014-07-08 06:52:22 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I think I'll take the extra freedoms and the greater risk, thanks.


It's kind of funny actually.  I feel the exact opposite.
 
2014-07-08 06:52:52 PM  

anfrind: PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.

That one still happens on occasion.  Last year I flew on Southwest from San Diego to San Jose, and I think the plane was only one-third full.  I actually had a whole row to myself.

/don't expect to get that lucky again for a very long time


I don't fly much anymore, but I've had that happen.  Mostly on late-night flights.  Its a great feeling when 1/3 of the plane boards, and then you notice no one else coming in.
 
2014-07-08 07:11:31 PM  

anfrind: PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.

That one still happens on occasion.  Last year I flew on Southwest from San Diego to San Jose, and I think the plane was only one-third full.  I actually had a whole row to myself.

/don't expect to get that lucky again for a very long time


We had that happen on an international flight in 2004. Too bad we'd to deal with drunk businessmen while we tried to sleep.

My favorite flight story is when I randomly sat next to an alum of my university. We spoke of the differences between then and now (I was on Spring break). He told me that everyone will call me a Buckeye (I'm a Bobcat) and that I'll eventually get used to it.

/Still correct people
 
2014-07-08 07:22:00 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: The plane in this picture is the Comet:

[i.huffpost.com image 850x624]

Which was one of the least safe designs ever to go into (thankfully brief) service.


Who are the two dudes in that photo?
 
2014-07-08 09:03:58 PM  
Back when the first Gulf War was starting up, just about everyone had their balls fall off and cancelled their plane trips except me (plus there was a heavy Winter Storm front heading towards the region). The bad news was that the AA batteries out of my Walkman were confiscated by some pre-TSA goon at the gate, but the upsides were that the front didn't reach us until around 30 minutes after the plane took off, and during the flight to LAX, the air crew outnumbered the passengers, so I spent the trip switching from one seat to another every 20 minutes or so for a fresh new view (cuz I could). Still remember that awesome flight, 23 years later.
 
2014-07-08 09:04:21 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not convinced I, or anyone else, could die 5 times as often.

Whether it's today or 50 years ago, chances are you will only die once.


I am a cool cat, so your statement doesn't apply to me so there.
 
2014-07-08 09:06:38 PM  

Aar1012: anfrind: PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.

That one still happens on occasion.  Last year I flew on Southwest from San Diego to San Jose, and I think the plane was only one-third full.  I actually had a whole row to myself.

/don't expect to get that lucky again for a very long time

We had that happen on an international flight in 2004. Too bad we'd to deal with drunk businessmen while we tried to sleep.

My favorite flight story is when I randomly sat next to an alum of my university. We spoke of the differences between then and now (I was on Spring break). He told me that everyone will call me a Buckeye (I'm a Bobcat) and that I'll eventually get used to it.

/Still correct people


I call shenanigans; a bobcat would have to be crated, in the cargo hold. What if it mauled someone?
 
2014-07-08 09:40:29 PM  

Smackledorfer: PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.  Also, I could check or bring on as many bags as I wanted to for free.  I could carry on liquids, I didn't have to take off my shoes and coat to go through security, and I went through metal detectors instead of rape scanners.  And despite it being most likely gross, they served food on the plane in coach for free.  Also, the seats weren't so crammed together that there was no leg room.

It seems like so long ago and so foreign at this point that things were so much better - yet it really wasn't that long ago.

I had to remove my coat for the metal detector in the 80s.


As a kid in the '80s, they made me put the stuffed animal I was carrying on the conveyer belt for the x-ray machine.
 
2014-07-08 09:57:33 PM  

downstairs: anfrind: PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.

That one still happens on occasion.  Last year I flew on Southwest from San Diego to San Jose, and I think the plane was only one-third full.  I actually had a whole row to myself.

/don't expect to get that lucky again for a very long time

I don't fly much anymore, but I've had that happen.  Mostly on late-night flights.  Its a great feeling when 1/3 of the plane boards, and then you notice no one else coming in.


We flew to Hawaii on a plane 1/3rd full. Entire rows were empty. I went to one empty row of 6 or so seats,  pulled the arm rests up, took an Ambien, lay down, and woke up a half hour outside of Honolulu. The only way to fly, kids: unconscious.
 
2014-07-08 10:03:39 PM  

8 inches: Lando Lincoln: I think I'll take the extra freedoms and the greater risk, thanks.

It's kind of funny actually.  I feel the exact opposite.


It is kind of funny, since the security nazis actually don't make flying any safer at all. Just more of a pain in the arse.
So when do the cavity searches begin?
 
2014-07-08 10:30:03 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: DjangoStonereaver: The plane in this picture is the Comet:

[i.huffpost.com image 850x624]

Which was one of the least safe designs ever to go into (thankfully brief) service.

And this was the Lockheed Constellation.

[www.conniesurvivors.com image 415x277]

It must have been very expensive and tedious to build...but it sure looks purty.


World's Finest Trimotor
 
2014-07-08 10:32:15 PM  

Brainsick: Aar1012: anfrind: PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.

That one still happens on occasion.  Last year I flew on Southwest from San Diego to San Jose, and I think the plane was only one-third full.  I actually had a whole row to myself.

/don't expect to get that lucky again for a very long time

We had that happen on an international flight in 2004. Too bad we'd to deal with drunk businessmen while we tried to sleep.

My favorite flight story is when I randomly sat next to an alum of my university. We spoke of the differences between then and now (I was on Spring break). He told me that everyone will call me a Buckeye (I'm a Bobcat) and that I'll eventually get used to it.

/Still correct people

I call shenanigans; a bobcat would have to be crated, in the cargo hold. What if it mauled someone?


seat next to me contained a bobcat
would not fly again
 
2014-07-08 10:46:43 PM  

Victoly: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: DjangoStonereaver: The plane in this picture is the Comet:

[i.huffpost.com image 850x624]

Which was one of the least safe designs ever to go into (thankfully brief) service.

And this was the Lockheed Constellation.

[www.conniesurvivors.com image 415x277]

It must have been very expensive and tedious to build...but it sure looks purty.

World's Finest Trimotor


iseewhatyoudidthere.png
 
2014-07-08 10:51:07 PM  

CraicBaby: Smackledorfer: PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.  Also, I could check or bring on as many bags as I wanted to for free.  I could carry on liquids, I didn't have to take off my shoes and coat to go through security, and I went through metal detectors instead of rape scanners.  And despite it being most likely gross, they served food on the plane in coach for free.  Also, the seats weren't so crammed together that there was no leg room.

It seems like so long ago and so foreign at this point that things were so much better - yet it really wasn't that long ago.

I had to remove my coat for the metal detector in the 80s.

As a kid in the '80s, they made me put the stuffed animal I was carrying on the conveyer belt for the x-ray machine.


Let us play the one up game! As a kid in the 80s when myself and the family traveled to/from Britain I got patted down with everything in my carry on taken out and individually wanded/x-rayed/hand checked. Don't really remember the exact security details. Anywho, while I was getting patted down and asked questions about my goods my parents were separated and questioned individually. What was our fault? My dad had red hair and intelligence said that the IRA was going to use children to put a bomb on a plane in order to take it down. Fun times.
 
2014-07-09 12:03:43 AM  
Where is the 'then and now' comparison of leg room and seat widths?

/when I was a kid my mom told me you had to dress up to ride in airplanes
 
2014-07-09 03:46:59 AM  
I rarely apologize for corporations but the race to the bottom in air travel is the fault of demand. Everyone wants $79 airfare AND legroom. Not gonna happen. It'd be one thing if airlines were raking it in while cramming passengers in tighter, but their profit margins are razor-thin. Want good-old-days air travel features? Pay good-old-days prices. We get what we pay for.
 
2014-07-09 06:26:09 AM  

anfrind: PillsHere: I would just be happy with going back to the 90's air travel where I had a chance of getting a row to myself or at least having no one in the middle seat.

That one still happens on occasion.  Last year I flew on Southwest from San Diego to San Jose, and I think the plane was only one-third full.  I actually had a whole row to myself.

/don't expect to get that lucky again for a very long time


I had an entire center row - four seats - to myself on a United 777 from Chicago to Paris a few years back.  I have never slept so well on an airplane before or since.
 
2014-07-09 07:30:11 AM  
Since I am flying long-haul later today, I'm getting a kick... From the person sitting behind me that is.
 
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