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2014-07-08 09:00:34 AM  
Reactionaries in disguise?
 
2014-07-08 09:49:39 AM  
Are those the ones that turn into dinosaurs?
 
2014-07-08 09:54:35 AM  

James!: Are those the ones that turn into dinosaurs?


Cassettes - http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Recordicons
 
2014-07-08 09:55:41 AM  
Grimlock/Starscream 2016
 
2014-07-08 09:56:22 AM  
I'm a rogue. (Transformer sound)
i39.photobucket.com
Now I'm a douche cannon.

Actually, MAD magazine was first...

media.dcentertainment.com
 
2014-07-08 09:57:23 AM  
That's why I'm a Libertarian.  I do things my own way.

I'm a loner... a rebel.
 
2014-07-08 09:58:13 AM  
pbfcomics.com
 
2014-07-08 09:59:30 AM  
FTFA
They may come up with a new version of conservatism, but will they be able to sell it to today's GOP?

A new form of conservatism, eh? A neo conservatism, if you will.
 
2014-07-08 10:02:03 AM  
Have you heard the word of Optimus Prime today?

churchofprime.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-08 10:02:44 AM  
Whatever they come up with, I hope they're as fun as the Teabaggers.
 
2014-07-08 10:03:12 AM  
Reformicons SMASH
 
2014-07-08 10:06:27 AM  
"The reformicons' ideas are still in the process of development [...]"

Never change, Republicans.
 
2014-07-08 10:08:21 AM  
After a lot of soul searching they're reforming the platform to:

* Traditional Marriage
* Tax Cuts
* Border Security
* Benghazi
* Stopping Abortion
 
2014-07-08 10:08:33 AM  
I read the NYT Mag article on Sunday. I think the fact that they're at least willing to make noises about dispensing with dogma and actually think things through once in a while is a good sign at the very least.

But if the little sidebar in the article's representative of their thinking, I didn't see a whole lot of new stuff. 'School choice and the Free Market are gonna solve all our education problems', for example. Nothing in the article indicated that they're willing to take a good hard look at Free Market Fundamentalism, maybe I'll read the Dionne article mentioned in tfa to see what it says on that point.

Me, I'm a lib, but I believe markets are perfectly good for some things. I also believe that clinging to fundamentalism isn't going to get them to a place where they'll contribute anything useful to public policy. And, why cling to it? Do they need it as a badge of identity, or something?
 
2014-07-08 10:13:16 AM  

James!: After a lot of soul searching they're reforming the platform to:

* Traditional Marriage
* Tax Cuts
* Border Security
* Benghazi
* Stopping Abortion


Ending Obamacare
Cutting all welfare to 0
Start war somewhere - who wants a fight? Iraq? Iran? Russia?
 
2014-07-08 10:13:35 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: "The reformicons' ideas are still in the process of development [...]"

Never change, Republicans.


No central philosophy, no popular figure to catapult the propaganda, no issue(s) on which to differentiate themselves from either of the GOP mainstreams, not even a PAC or two to speak of/speaking for them?

It's like the GOP just wants to have a streak to counter the Tea Party, but no one's willing to take up the mantle. Almost as though the inmates are sitting behind the warden's desk and taking his calls - not running the asylum, just... you know... handling its day-to-day affairs, managing its future, setting and reviewing policy, making personnel decisions, dealing with regulatory issues, that sort of thing.

Not running things, god no. They're still the GOP, and they'll be damned if they'll let some super-conservative religious reactionaries control their party!
 
2014-07-08 10:14:38 AM  

bdub77: James!: After a lot of soul searching they're reforming the platform to:

* Traditional Marriage
* Tax Cuts
* Border Security
* Benghazi
* Stopping Abortion

Ending Obamacare
Cutting all welfare to 0
Start war somewhere - who wants a fight? Iraq? Iran? Russia?


Syria has been giving us the side eye all damn night.
 
2014-07-08 10:15:31 AM  
More than Derps the eye!
 
2014-07-08 10:15:58 AM  
Reformicon has the worst cosplayers.
 
2014-07-08 10:17:44 AM  
if the Republican party is going to survive-and, more specifically, win a presidential election in the next decade or two-it has to change. It has to get serious about policy again, grapple with contemporary economic and social realities that simple appeals to free markets and small government don't address, and find a way to attract voters from outside the demographic of old white people.


This is not a repeat from since 2009.
 
2014-07-08 10:19:40 AM  
Oh they certainly will go on about how they are reforming the country from this scandal ridden Obama administration. It worked well after Clinton, who, even with Republican blathering, was about as successful as a President can be.

I wonder how it will work after Obama, I fear pretty well.  I know the current crop of loonies aren't stellar, but they managed to sell Bush the Lesser, so there is at least even odds they'll polish whatever turd comes out of the primaries.
 
2014-07-08 10:20:22 AM  

phaseolus: Me, I'm a lib, but I believe markets are perfectly good for some things. I also believe that clinging to fundamentalism isn't going to get them to a place where they'll contribute anything useful to public policy. And, why cling to it? Do they need it as a badge of identity, or something?


Yep, maybe when their "free market" starts to include a market that is free from corruption with oversight against abusive monopolies, I'll start to listen.
 
2014-07-08 10:20:32 AM  

Diogenes: Whatever they come up with, I hope they're as fun as the Teabaggers.


It will be the teabaggers but with a new hat.
 
2014-07-08 10:21:26 AM  

phaseolus: I read the NYT Mag article on Sunday. I think the fact that they're at least willing to make noises about dispensing with dogma and actually think things through once in a while is a good sign at the very least.



Yeah, they make this sort of noise and then as the election draws near, they lurch to the Right again.
 
2014-07-08 10:23:26 AM  
I think reformicon is when you're having a normal conversation with your parents and somewhere along the line abortion comes up and your parents transform into crazy people and next thing you know you're arguing whether welfare is the equivalent of slavery for black people.
 
2014-07-08 10:26:26 AM  

bdub77: James!: After a lot of soul searching they're reforming the platform to:

* Traditional Marriage
* Tax Cuts
* Border Security
* Benghazi
* Stopping Abortion

Ending Obamacare
Cutting all welfare to 0
Start war somewhere - who wants a fight? Iraq? Iran? Russia?


* Reset all taxes for the top 2% and corporations to 0
* Offset revenue discrepancy by returning to feudalism
 
2014-07-08 10:26:57 AM  

bdub77: I think reformicon is when you're having a normal conversation with your parents and somewhere along the line abortion comes up and your parents transform into crazy people and next thing you know you're arguing whether welfare is the equivalent of slavery for black people.


My mom is a very FOX News republican, one of her few topics of dissent is abortion.
 
2014-07-08 10:27:27 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-08 10:29:24 AM  
The party of legitimate rape.
 
2014-07-08 10:29:52 AM  

EvilEgg: Oh they certainly will go on about how they are reforming the country from this scandal ridden Obama administration. It worked well after Clinton, who, even with Republican blathering, was about as successful as a President can be.

I wonder how it will work after Obama, I fear pretty well.  I know the current crop of loonies aren't stellar, but they managed to sell Bush the Lesser, so there is at least even odds they'll polish whatever turd comes out of the primaries.


I don't know. 2016 looks to be very different from 2000. Mainly because in 2000 while people might have been frustrated with the Republicans in congress. There wasn't the same overall general disgust in Republicans in general. They hadn't reached derp level 11. The Lewinsky scandal was silly, but people in general saw it as a silly think, not as a crazy self delusional thing that the current scandals have become.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:02 AM  
EvilEgg:  I know the current crop of loonies aren't stellar, but they managed to sell Bush the Lesser, so there is at least even odds they'll polish whatever turd comes out of the primaries.


They don't have another Rove in their corner. And the pre-president GWBush was far superior to anything currently in the GOP market.
 
2014-07-08 10:34:17 AM  
Maybe they can find the right word to make their stupidity stick.
 
2014-07-08 10:39:30 AM  

EvilEgg: bdub77: I think reformicon is when you're having a normal conversation with your parents and somewhere along the line abortion comes up and your parents transform into crazy people and next thing you know you're arguing whether welfare is the equivalent of slavery for black people.

My mom is a very FOX News republican, one of her few topics of dissent is abortion.


lt's interesting how unexpected some reactions are on abortion. One in three women has had an abortion, and some of the others (like me) saw it hit close to home. lt changed me from a "safe but rare" liberal into a "fark you and mind your own business" feminazi.
 
2014-07-08 10:41:05 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Jaden Smith First of His Name: "The reformicons' ideas are still in the process of development [...]"

Never change, Republicans.

No central philosophy, no popular figure to catapult the propaganda, no issue(s) on which to differentiate themselves from either of the GOP mainstreams, not even a PAC or two to speak of/speaking for them?

It's like the GOP just wants to have a streak to counter the Tea Party, but no one's willing to take up the mantle. Almost as though the inmates are sitting behind the warden's desk and taking his calls - not running the asylum, just... you know... handling its day-to-day affairs, managing its future, setting and reviewing policy, making personnel decisions, dealing with regulatory issues, that sort of thing.

Not running things, god no. They're still the GOP, and they'll be damned if they'll let some super-conservative religious reactionaries control their party!



Yeah, I don't know how they expect to pull that off:

The reformicons' ideas are still in the process of development, and while they're serious people trying earnestly to grapple with policy, it isn't easy to describe what they're proposing without a litany of specifics, other than something like "a conservatism for Main Street, not Wall Street," which doesn't cover a whole lot of ground and, one could argue, isn't particularly accurate. But if they're going to persuade not only the public but the Republicans politicians they'll need as allies, they're going to have to turn a policy project into a political project.

They're going to be swimming against a formidable current that they created.  Their party's foundation was built on the doctrine that money equals speech and restrictions on campaign donations are somehow bad for the democratic process.

And reform means moving in one of two directions - further ramping up the corporatism, or pushing back against either the money wing or the morality wing.  When the voting public has been bombarded with distortions, half-truths, lies, ideological puritanism, and xenophobic pandering for three decades, how do you expect to correct those issues?  Especially when anyone that tries to pull the party back towards the center is ostracized?
 
2014-07-08 10:42:08 AM  
fta The reformicons' ideas are still in the process of development,

I'm going to go waaay out on a limb and take a guess
1) Tax cuts for the 1% paid for with service cuts for the 99%
2) DEREGULATE ALL THE THINGS!!!
3) God/gays/guns/ because 'Murica
4) Science bad! Reagan smash!
5) Drill, baby, drill!
 
2014-07-08 10:42:25 AM  
About the Author
Paul Waldman is a contributing editor for the Prospect and the author of Being Right is Not Enough: What Progressives Must Learn From Conservative Success.

brry3321.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-08 10:44:51 AM  

Notabunny: fta The reformicons' ideas are still in the process of development,

I'm going to go waaay out on a limb and take a guess
1) Tax cuts for the 1% paid for with service cuts for the 99%
2) DEREGULATE ALL THE THINGS!!!
3) God/gays/guns/ because 'Murica
4) Science bad! Reagan smash!
5) Drill, baby, drill!


They plan to skip the rape and gay stuff and just stick with your free-market points is my guess.
 
2014-07-08 10:45:58 AM  
Reformicons?

/is that anything like a Transformer packed with clowns?
 
2014-07-08 10:46:45 AM  
Take the whole party out back and put it out of its misery... There's no reform for these shameless ideologues.

"Moderate" Republican... Yeah, right.
 
2014-07-08 10:49:07 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: phaseolus: I read the NYT Mag article on Sunday. I think the fact that they're at least willing to make noises about dispensing with dogma and actually think things through once in a while is a good sign at the very least.


Yeah, they make this sort of noise and then as the election draws near, they lurch to the Right again.


It's more like a trudge.  Or even a shamble.  Or maybe a combo of all 3, I donno...
 
2014-07-08 10:49:21 AM  
My fellow Reformicons, ask not what the markets can do for you, ask what you can do for the markets!
 
2014-07-08 10:49:25 AM  

phaseolus: I read the NYT Mag article on Sunday. I think the fact that they're at least willing to make noises about dispensing with dogma and actually think things through once in a while is a good sign at the very least.

But if the little sidebar in the article's representative of their thinking, I didn't see a whole lot of new stuff. 'School choice and the Free Market are gonna solve all our education problems', for example. Nothing in the article indicated that they're willing to take a good hard look at Free Market Fundamentalism, maybe I'll read the Dionne article mentioned in tfa to see what it says on that point.

Me, I'm a lib, but I believe markets are perfectly good for some things. I also believe that clinging to fundamentalism isn't going to get them to a place where they'll contribute anything useful to public policy. And, why cling to it? Do they need it as a badge of identity, or something?


This is the biggest problem I have with the Republican Party philosophy at the moment (as opposed to the fringe elements who are big problems, but not really philosophies) - they attach a magical thinking mysticism to the free markets that are not real. The Free Hand of the Market might as well be the capitalist Holy Ghost.
 
2014-07-08 10:51:53 AM  

keylock71: Take the whole party out back and put it out of its misery... There's no reform for these shameless ideologues.

"Moderate" Republican... Yeah, right.


I think the GOP has already taken the "moderates" out back.

In other news...I know a guy who's running for state senate as a Republican.  He knows and is friends with gay people.  I'd be interested to see how he responds to social questions during his campaign: if he's one guy in private and someone else in public.  I don't expect to be too surprised.
 
2014-07-08 10:53:39 AM  

DeaH: they attach a magical thinking mysticism to the free markets that are not real.


Eh.  I think the power of the free market is plenty real...but the GOP seems to have over-estimated (or, at least, over-stated) that power.

Or, is that what you meant?  I haven't had my coffee yet, so.....
 
2014-07-08 10:54:06 AM  
You'd figure that a chicken pic would be apropos
 
2014-07-08 10:56:09 AM  
WHO?  I am personally a disenfranchised refusenik who will soon be fighting in the streets.

upload.wikimedia.org

'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!
 
2014-07-08 10:56:11 AM  

bdub77: I think reformicon is when you're having a normal conversation with your parents and somewhere along the line abortion comes up and your parents transform into crazy people and next thing you know you're arguing whether welfare is the equivalent of slavery for black people.


My parents are old hippies and my dad is into reading a lot of economic theory books, you would have more fun talking to him...
 
2014-07-08 10:59:37 AM  
I don't see how that's possible when they take absolute positions on everything.

For example, any reform of the tax code cannot include any tax increases. Well, you're never going to reform the tax code then.
 
2014-07-08 11:01:15 AM  

Lord_Baull: if the Republican party is going to survive-and, more specifically, win a presidential election in the next decade or two-it has to change


What is needed to change.  The dems will nominate someone so bland, vanilla, uninspiring or maybe just down right horrible that the country  will vote for the repub.  You know it is true.
 
2014-07-08 11:01:22 AM  

thornhill: I don't see how that's possible when they take absolute positions on everything.

For example, any reform of the tax code cannot include any tax increases. Well, you're never going to reform the tax code then.


Reducing the taxes for top earners is a kind of reform.
 
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