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2014-07-08 04:36:34 PM  

Ant: MBooda: Ant: Nix Nightbird: To be fair, I can't imagine anyone in the western world wanting to eat a cake made by hardcore Muslims no matter what decorations are on top. When I think "Muslim" I don't think "yummy, sweet confections and pastries" -- I think "cous cous, olives, and hummus".

You're joking, right? They Greeks only make the best farking dessert pastry ever!

[www.mybestdaysever.com image 550x412]

FTFY.

Turks make it too.


Yeah, and they also made Istanbul from Constantinople.
 
2014-07-08 04:37:17 PM  

Colour_out_of_Space: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Colour_out_of_Space: Religious Bakery?
Exodus 29:2  And from fine wheat flour, without yeast, make bread, and cakes mixed with oil, and wafers spread with oil.
Hypocrites

Well that was taken totally out of context, and has nothing to do with this discussion.

Consecration of the Priests

29 "Now this is what you shall do to them to consecrate them, that they may serve me as priests. Take one bull of the herd and two rams without blemish, 2and unleavened bread, unleavened cakes mixed with oil, and unleavened wafers smeared with oil. You shall make them of fine wheat flour. 3You shall put them in one basket and bring them in the basket, and bring the bull and the two rams. 4You shall bring Aaron and his sons to the entrance of the tent of meeting and wash them with water. 5Then you shall take the garments, and put on Aaron the coat and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastpiece, and gird him with the skillfully woven band of the ephod. 6And you shall set the turban on his head and put the holy crown on the turban. 7You shall take the anointing oil and pour it on his head and anoint him. 8Then you shall bring his sons and put coats on them, 9and you shall gird Aaron and his sons with sashes and bind caps on them. And the priesthood shall be theirs by a statute forever. Thus you shall ordain Aaron and his sons.

Well, they're not doing any of that stuff!


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Perfect response.
 
gja
2014-07-08 04:44:16 PM  

jst3p: gja: You worship muppets?

For starters, I can prove their existence, so it immediately makes more sense than most religions.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
Ant
2014-07-08 04:54:04 PM  

MBooda: Ant: MBooda: Ant: Nix Nightbird: To be fair, I can't imagine anyone in the western world wanting to eat a cake made by hardcore Muslims no matter what decorations are on top. When I think "Muslim" I don't think "yummy, sweet confections and pastries" -- I think "cous cous, olives, and hummus".

You're joking, right? They Greeks only make the best farking dessert pastry ever!

[www.mybestdaysever.com image 550x412]

FTFY.

Turks make it too.

Yeah, and they also made Istanbul from Constantinople.


People just liked it better that way.

/baklava, in various forms, is also made in Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc., etc., etc.
 
2014-07-08 04:55:16 PM  

Ant: rzrwiresunrise: Why should these people be burdened with others' beliefs? If they don't want to serve gay people, then those people should patronize some other business that will. The former bakery will lose money, and if enough people avoid them, they'll go out of business. Why pick a fight??

So financially profitable bigotry can continue unabated? Yay!


What I posted was an almost verbatim copy of a response I got from a colleague at work with whom I discussed this (I shouldn't have, but how often does one get to do this with a real live conservative Catholic Republican??). And then I read the shiat in this thread and just threw my hands up. People like my colleague, GoldSpider and The-Six-Fingered-Man and Reverend Jansen want to view this in a total social and historical vacuum, and there's really nothing anyone can say that will persuade them to do otherwise. They have to isolate the incident and dissect it semantically without thinking through the doom of history because... I don't even know.
 
2014-07-08 05:00:18 PM  

Theaetetus: scotchlandia: Theaetetus: I'm not sure I understand your question: "in what way is it hypocritical to believe that racial discrimination is bad but sexual orientation discrimination is not"? Are you really asking that?

Educate me, I was busy doing something else when a lifestyle choice became equivacal to being a member of a race or ethnicity. I am pretty sure I would bake the cake, because a paying customer is a good customer. I am also sure I wouldn't make a cake I found offensive (pornographic, derogatory); but who can decide what is offensive to another individual? Keep in mind that this is a new shift in the social fabric and be sure to use small words for me.

Sure, happy to.

First, it's pretty well accepted in the scientific community, and beginning to be accepted in the legal community, that sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle choice". Rather, it seems to be an inherent trait linked to some genetic markers and/or environmental effects in the womb. In that regard, it's equivocal to a race or ethnicity, because both are inherent.

Second,  even if it was merely a lifestyle choice, that would make it equivocal to being a member of a religion. Religions are "lifestyle choices", in that they're not inherent, and they can be taken up, dropped, switched, etc. at will.  However, we find religious discrimination to be a bad thing, because we think it would be abhorrent for a majority to force a religious belief on a minority.
Similarly, even if sexual orientation was a "lifestyle choice", we think it would be abhorrent for a majority to force a sexual practice on a minority. Just as it's wrong to say "you must worship the god I tell you to, rather than the one you want to", it's wrong to say "you must fark the person I tell you to, rather than the one you want to."

As for being a new shift in the social fabric, not really... It started several decades ago, when the Supreme Court first started talking about suspect classifications, in which a group is defined by ...


Okay... I am willing to look at the scientific community argument. I will have to research more. I have personal issues with the idea that a genetic pre-disposition will obviate the choices a person makes, I think that is more a philosophical view than anything. I appreciate you replying back to me with no snark.

A few decades is actually "brand new." Just a decade ago Ellen DeGeneres got cancelled for coming out of the closet. Just two years ago the military got rid of "don't ask, don't tell," gay marriage just got onto the docket recently, and there was very little talk of this during the 1980's - 90's. Yes, this represents a cultural shift and not everyone gets it yet. My military unit actually ended up having quite a few lesbians (not really a surprise to those of us who had known them for a while), good Soldiers but their expectation of instant cultural shift is unrealistic. There is an "old school" that will have to retire out.

I give you +10 for saying that religious descrimination is just as hypocritical as racial or sexual descrimination.
 
2014-07-08 05:12:17 PM  

ciberido: MrBallou: HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?

Seriously, this has always bugged the hell out of me.

What kind of pervert looks at 2 puppets portraying 2 guys who live in the same house and imagines a whole sexual relationship between them?

So if the show had a segment with 2 puppets, one male and one female, who live in the same house, you would automatically assume that they were brother and sister, and label anyone who suggested that they might be husband and wife (or boyfriend and girlfriend) a pervert?


They're puppets. They don't do anything except what you see on camera. It's 100% innocent, so, yeah. No need to read anything else into it, unless you have your own issues begging for expression.
 
2014-07-08 05:15:28 PM  
scotchlandia: A few decades is actually "brand new."

It's been that way for more than my entire life. I'd think of "brand new" as the past decade.

Just a decade ago Ellen DeGeneres got cancelled for coming out of the closet. Just two years ago the military got rid of "don't ask, don't tell," gay marriage just got onto the docket recently...

11 years since Goodridge v. DPH in Massachusetts. Almost 20 since the Hawaii case that really started the whole thing.

... and there was very little talk of this during the 1980's - 90's. Yes, this represents a cultural shift and not everyone gets it yet. My military unit actually ended up having quite a few lesbians (not really a surprise to those of us who had known them for a while), good Soldiers but their expectation of instant cultural shift is unrealistic. There is an "old school" that will have to retire out.

Sure... There are tons of people who have old grandparents who still use the n-word freely and don't think it's offensive. No snark intended by the comparison - more just noting that these things change over time and society shifts.

I give you +10 for saying that religious descrimination is just as hypocritical as racial or sexual descrimination

Oh, certainly. Refusing to serve someone because they are Jewish or Muslim is just as bad as refusing to serve them because they're black or homosexual. The question is not whether a trait is absolutely immutable, but whether it would be abhorrent for the government to  force someone to change that trait.
 
2014-07-08 05:42:39 PM  

MrBallou: ciberido: MrBallou: HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?

Seriously, this has always bugged the hell out of me.

What kind of pervert looks at 2 puppets portraying 2 guys who live in the same house and imagines a whole sexual relationship between them?

So if the show had a segment with 2 puppets, one male and one female, who live in the same house, you would automatically assume that they were brother and sister, and label anyone who suggested that they might be husband and wife (or boyfriend and girlfriend) a pervert?

They're puppets. They don't do anything except what you see on camera. It's 100% innocent, so, yeah. No need to read anything else into it, unless you have your own issues begging for expression.


And there are other websites that cater to those interests, I am sure.
 
2014-07-08 06:05:12 PM  

scotchlandia: Educate me, I was busy doing something else when a lifestyle choice became equivacal to being a member of a race or ethnicity


If you think being gay is a "choice", you must have been busy getting your ignorance polished

Also, too, equivocal
 
2014-07-08 06:07:02 PM  

gja: You worship muppets?


Only the ones who are actually gods
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2014-07-08 06:07:34 PM  

Ant: htomc: And people who do so should be prepared to face the full responsibility for the loss of business and ill-will that doing so would generate.

So if your group is unpopular, you're screwed.


Quite possibly.  That is the price and implication of freedom- people aren't always nice.  In a free society, there is no way to force someone to associate or enter into contracts with you, if they don't want to for any reason, rational or not.

The upside, however, is that in a free society, there are no barriers to entry into a marketplace if you decide that  you do want to cater to <unpopular group>.
 
2014-07-08 06:10:12 PM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-08 06:21:53 PM  

GoldSpider: Elliot8654: GoldSpider: Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.

Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.

You wanna sue a coffee shop when they don't serve steak? Or a pet shop for not selling elephant rifles?

"Reasonable" has nothing to do with it if we're going to use cases like this to compel businesses to produce whatever goods a customer demands.


And by "produce whatever goods a customer demands," you mean "something they already have," correct?
 
2014-07-08 06:27:14 PM  

Chongo79: "Why, hello there Mr. Atheist baker. Could I have a cake for my son's first communion?"


Speaking as an atheist, assuming you can pay for it, absolutely!


/wow that was hard
 
2014-07-08 06:30:42 PM  
Holy hell I gave up after 4 pages. My favorite part is the trolls using the same nonsense talking points that have been debunked countless times before(ie, "Oh, I'm gonna go to a kosher deli and order bacon")

/but remember, there are no trolls on Fark
 
2014-07-08 06:34:15 PM  

Theaetetus: Frank N Stein: Theaetetus: Frank N Stein: Again, falling back on allusions to 1960s civil rights movement. Just stop.

Again, refusing to admit any parallels to the 1960s civil rights movement. Just stop.

"Muh comic!"

Yeah, the issue here is a little more nuanced than your bumper sticker sloganeering.

Look, I realize the comparison to the civil rights era makes you uncomfortable because, like GoldSpider, you admit that racial discrimination is bad but refuse to admit that sexual orientation discrimination is bad. But that doesn't mean that we all have to tiptoe around your uncomfortable feelings and refuse to make any such comparisons.


One is a genetic legacy, the other is mental illness.  I really can't imagine why you think those are equivalent.
 
2014-07-08 06:36:26 PM  

GoldSpider: debug: GoldSpider: The rules of artistic interpretation aren't quite that simple.

I'm still waiting to hear what these rules are.  Having a BFA you would think they would have been mentioned at some point.

When you say a cake someone bakes "is an advertisement of the quality of the bakery and nothing more", you don't control that. You don't get to decide what anyone else interprets from your creation.


Sure you do. It's called a disclaimer and lots of industries use them.

Now, please explain which part of the Christian religion forbids selling baked goods to sinners? Because that's what this really comes down to. It's supposedly a violation of this company's beliefs to do so, but I'll be damned if I can find anything that forbids this in the bible.

If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating, then they're just full of shiat and bigots. I think we all know what the answer here is...

PS still not seeing those artistic interpretation rules any place. You just make those up as you go along or what?
 
2014-07-08 06:42:41 PM  

debug: GoldSpider: debug: GoldSpider: The rules of artistic interpretation aren't quite that simple.

I'm still waiting to hear what these rules are.  Having a BFA you would think they would have been mentioned at some point.

When you say a cake someone bakes "is an advertisement of the quality of the bakery and nothing more", you don't control that. You don't get to decide what anyone else interprets from your creation.

Sure you do. It's called a disclaimer and lots of industries use them.

Now, please explain which part of the Christian religion forbids selling baked goods to sinners? Because that's what this really comes down to. It's supposedly a violation of this company's beliefs to do so, but I'll be damned if I can find anything that forbids this in the bible.

If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating, then they're just full of shiat and bigots. I think we all know what the answer here is...

PS still not seeing those artistic interpretation rules any place. You just make those up as you go along or what?


I never said the baker's beliefs were rational or in any way justified or defended them, so while we're talking about stuff we just made up...
 
2014-07-08 06:45:36 PM  

debug: If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating


This is America. It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, all that matters is what they BELIEVE it says.

Just like facts don't matter, all that matters is what you BELIEVE to be true(see: Hobby Lobby and "abortifacients")
 
2014-07-08 06:47:09 PM  

GoldSpider: debug: GoldSpider: debug: GoldSpider: The rules of artistic interpretation aren't quite that simple.

I'm still waiting to hear what these rules are.  Having a BFA you would think they would have been mentioned at some point.

When you say a cake someone bakes "is an advertisement of the quality of the bakery and nothing more", you don't control that. You don't get to decide what anyone else interprets from your creation.

Sure you do. It's called a disclaimer and lots of industries use them.

Now, please explain which part of the Christian religion forbids selling baked goods to sinners? Because that's what this really comes down to. It's supposedly a violation of this company's beliefs to do so, but I'll be damned if I can find anything that forbids this in the bible.

If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating, then they're just full of shiat and bigots. I think we all know what the answer here is...

PS still not seeing those artistic interpretation rules any place. You just make those up as you go along or what?

I never said the baker's beliefs were rational or in any way justified or defended them, so while we're talking about stuff we just made up...


I didn't say you did. I'm meet pointing out that all this other nonsense doesn't matter. The only issue is if the company's beliefs are actually being violated by making and selling baked foods to sinners, or more specifically, homosexuals. If that proof is not provided, then it seems clear that these people are just big it's trying to hide behind religion.
 
2014-07-08 06:51:07 PM  

debug: GoldSpider: debug: GoldSpider: debug: GoldSpider: The rules of artistic interpretation aren't quite that simple.

I'm still waiting to hear what these rules are.  Having a BFA you would think they would have been mentioned at some point.

When you say a cake someone bakes "is an advertisement of the quality of the bakery and nothing more", you don't control that. You don't get to decide what anyone else interprets from your creation.

Sure you do. It's called a disclaimer and lots of industries use them.

Now, please explain which part of the Christian religion forbids selling baked goods to sinners? Because that's what this really comes down to. It's supposedly a violation of this company's beliefs to do so, but I'll be damned if I can find anything that forbids this in the bible.

If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating, then they're just full of shiat and bigots. I think we all know what the answer here is...

PS still not seeing those artistic interpretation rules any place. You just make those up as you go along or what?

I never said the baker's beliefs were rational or in any way justified or defended them, so while we're talking about stuff we just made up...

I didn't say you did. I'm meet pointing out that all this other nonsense doesn't matter. The only issue is if the company's beliefs are actually being violated by making and selling baked foods to sinners, or more specifically, homosexuals. If that proof is not provided, then it seems clear that these people are just big it's trying to hide behind religion.


I don't disagree.
 
2014-07-08 06:58:21 PM  

grumpfuff: debug: If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating

This is America. It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, all that matters is what they BELIEVE it says.

Just like facts don't matter, all that matters is what you BELIEVE to be true(see: Hobby Lobby and "abortifacients")


Not true at all. In the hobby lobby case, they can actually point to scripture that shows birth control is against their religion, thus providing it for someone else would be a violation of their established religious beliefs. You can't do that in the case of the bakery.
 
2014-07-08 07:12:47 PM  

Ant: Nix Nightbird: To be fair, I can't imagine anyone in the western world wanting to eat a cake made by hardcore Muslims no matter what decorations are on top. When I think "Muslim" I don't think "yummy, sweet confections and pastries" -- I think "cous cous, olives, and hummus".

You're joking, right? They only make the best farking dessert pastry ever!

[www.mybestdaysever.com image 550x412]


Looks like the product I used to make professionally.
Changed my mind.
I want a cake with a Jesus nailing another Jesus from behind, doggie style, and a Jesus nailing their hands to the frosting, and another Savior Nailing their feet to the top layer, while another Jesus  is filming it, while another Jesus takes a selfie with this in the background/
But wait. There's more.
I want a chorus line of tap dancing Sons of God photobombing the selfie. Put those Holy Ghosts on some saltines. Got that?
Now the bottom layers should be lined with a bunch of Jesuses (is that the plural?) on pogo sticks.
Now I want the middle layer lined with Saviors, all sitting down, in a circumflex circle jerk.
And finally, take that pastry bag and squirt "The Aristocrats" on the remaining frosting.

/It can be done.
//I did floggers and cuffs on a dark chocolate cake for a BDSM party im Montreal once.
 
2014-07-08 07:15:47 PM  

vudukungfu: Ant: Nix Nightbird: To be fair, I can't imagine anyone in the western world wanting to eat a cake made by hardcore Muslims no matter what decorations are on top. When I think "Muslim" I don't think "yummy, sweet confections and pastries" -- I think "cous cous, olives, and hummus".

You're joking, right? They only make the best farking dessert pastry ever!

[www.mybestdaysever.com image 550x412]

Looks like the product I used to make professionally.
Changed my mind.
I want a cake with a Jesus nailing another Jesus from behind, doggie style, and a Jesus nailing their hands to the frosting, and another Savior Nailing their feet to the top layer, while another Jesus  is filming it, while another Jesus takes a selfie with this in the background/
But wait. There's more.
I want a chorus line of tap dancing Sons of God photobombing the selfie. Put those Holy Ghosts on some saltines. Got that?
Now the bottom layers should be lined with a bunch of Jesuses (is that the plural?) on pogo sticks.
Now I want the middle layer lined with Saviors, all sitting down, in a circumflex circle jerk.
And finally, take that pastry bag and squirt "The Aristocrats" on the remaining frosting.

/It can be done.
//I did floggers and cuffs on a dark chocolate cake for a BDSM party im Montreal once.


Any one making a gif of that deserves aa TF.
And I'll buy it.

Post in any thread Im in and remind me I owe you TF.
Remind me to get a TF, too.
 
2014-07-08 07:28:32 PM  

debug: grumpfuff: debug: If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating

This is America. It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, all that matters is what they BELIEVE it says.

Just like facts don't matter, all that matters is what you BELIEVE to be true(see: Hobby Lobby and "abortifacients")

Not true at all. In the hobby lobby case, they can actually point to scripture that shows birth control is against their religion, thus providing it for someone else would be a violation of their established religious beliefs. You can't do that in the case of the bakery.


A) I was referring to Hobby Lobby calling something like an IUD an abortifacient.

B) Show me the part of the Bible where it says birth control is not allowed. Include book, chapter, verse, and translation, if you will.
 
2014-07-08 07:34:58 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man:  One might call those "beliefs."


If your beliefs prevent you from performing a very basic function of your job, ie making and decorating cakes, then you are in the wrong business. The customer is not in the wrong for considering you for the job, since your job is your job and not your beliefs. Your beliefs are a separate, personal thing that should affect only you. When you allow your beliefs to dictate that you should treat other human beings poorly, you are the failure, not the potential customer.
 
2014-07-08 07:39:17 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Eat a bag of dicks.


If anybody were paying attention to your arguments, they had every right to stop right here.
 
2014-07-08 07:41:28 PM  

debug: In the hobby lobby case, they can actually point to scripture that shows birth control is against their religion,


I'll bite.

Which scripture did they point to? Why is that scripture somehow above the science that says that those pills do not do what HL thinks they do?
 
2014-07-08 07:42:46 PM  
I'm not really religious so I don't follow these things much, so could somebody tell me if there's a "New New Testament" or Bible issue 0 or prequel or something that ditches all the "Do unto others" stuff?
 
2014-07-08 08:06:51 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Theaetetus: The_Six_Fingered_Man: You can't discriminate against an image... So I ask you, how can an image carry a specific trait that affords it discrimination protection under the law?

If you already answered your question, why are you asking it?

The Equality Commission is stating that the bakery discriminated against the customer based on his sexual orientation, but all I can find is that they objected to the image and what it represented.

They also made a public statement:
The firm's 24-year-old general manager, Daniel McArthur, said marriage in Northern Ireland "still is defined as being a union between one man and one woman" and said his company was taking "a stand".
In his statement, he specifically says that gay marriage was a factor they considered in their decision making to refuse the order.

It's pretty clear, they refused the order because of sexual orientation of the customers. No one is claiming they were refusing it because they found the colors gaudy or were concerned about copyright infringement. All of the people defending them, other than yourself and a few other Farkers here who clearly missed the point, are talking about freedom of conscience exceptions to anti-discrimination laws.


In an online statement, Mr McArthur said: "The directors and myself looked at it and considered it and thought that this order was at odds with our beliefs.
"It certainly was at odds with what the Bible teaches, and on the following Monday we rang the customer to let him know that we couldn't take his order."

Let's read this.

"The directors and myself looked at it..." Is "it" the order or the customer? Kinda unwieldy to call a person an it, but let's continue.
"and thought that this order was at odds with our beliefs." Ok, so we are talking about the order, which is a cake with an image.
"It certainly was at odds with what the Bible teaches..."There is that "it" again. Can we safely assume that he is still referring to the order and not the customer?
"we rang ...


Did you miss the bolded? They did not say they could not take THIS order, they said they could not take HIS order.
 
2014-07-08 08:22:16 PM  
so can the bakery be forced to make cakes celebrating the closure or demise of faith based businesses?

specifically, what if a group of ardent worshipers of the flying spaghetti monster were campaigning against all traditional churches and any businesses whose ownership claimed to be christian.

is the church obligated to make cakes that insult their own lives and businesses?
 
2014-07-08 08:27:12 PM  

Popular Opinion: so can the bakery be forced to make cakes celebrating the closure or demise of faith based businesses?

specifically, what if a group of ardent worshipers of the flying spaghetti monster were campaigning against all traditional churches and any businesses whose ownership claimed to be christian.

is the church bakery obligated to make cakes that insult their own lives and businesses?


ftfm
 
2014-07-08 08:58:23 PM  

soseussme: I'm not really religious so I don't follow these things much, so could somebody tell me if there's a "New New Testament" or Bible issue 0 or prequel or something that ditches all the "Do unto others" stuff?


There is, and the new new one is 100% about sex - specifically, what types of sex are forbidden - as well as how to get these "beliefs" about sex into the law so everyone has to conform regardless of religion or lack thereof.
 
2014-07-08 09:20:37 PM  

menschenfresser: soseussme: I'm not really religious so I don't follow these things much, so could somebody tell me if there's a "New New Testament" or Bible issue 0 or prequel or something that ditches all the "Do unto others" stuff?

There is, and the new new one is 100% about sex - specifically, what types of sex are forbidden - as well as how to get these "beliefs" about sex into the law so everyone has to conform regardless of religion or lack thereof.


Whew! That's a relief. For a moment I thought all the Christians had gone batshiat insane.
 
2014-07-08 11:27:46 PM  

Frank N Stein: mainstreet62: You guys are missing the entire point of this discussion.

WHAT KIND OF CAKE WAS IT?!

/Ice cream? Please say ice cream!

I like ice cream cake. Cheaper cakes, like the ones you buy at the supermarket, are awful. The frosting tends to be way too sweet for my liking. I know fark all about cakes, so maybe someone here can help me be a more discerning cake shopper. What kind of frosting is it that isn't the fluffy super-sweet stuff on seemingly most cakes? I like the richer, more creamy or buttery type frosting. That's the good shiat, and I want to know what it's called.


The horrible kind is made with vegetable shortening and white sugar, the cheapest possible ingredients, which produce the gritty texture and sugary taste with which we are all familiar from office birthday parties.

The kind you mention second is probably buttercream frosting, which is usually made with cold butter, or if made at home might be boiled or five-minute frosting. They are all soft and rich and sweet, but in a balanced way.
 
2014-07-09 02:58:21 AM  

stuffy: Lesbian cake? (NSFW)


With those flotation devices, they're in no danger of ever drowning.
 
2014-07-09 03:00:33 AM  

MonoChango: Satan's Bunny Slippers: However, if I were a store owner that sold yoga pants, and I got lots of business from fatties, I damn sure would stay stocked up on fatty yoga pants.

I think you just confirmed my "silly argument"
Free markets usually works to spread freedom to the most people.  In this case you theoretically didn't want to sell to minority "Fat Chicks" but the market forced you to swallow your pride and sell to them anyway.  Freedom isn't free, in this case it cost you eye bleach.   A business that is open to the public is not the same as a Public service provided by the government.  How long do you think Starbucks would last if they decided that your coffee had to match your skin tone.  If you are white you get cream and sugar, Blacks get it straight up.  Yeah they wouldn't last more than a month, problem solved, no need for a new law forcing coffee freedom.


Yes, indeed, the Free Market always fixes everything.
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2014-07-09 03:03:25 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Anyone else think it's creepy using images of a childlike muppet to promote a sexual orientation choice?  It seems more like a NAMBLA deal than a gay marriage deal to me.


I'm sure it's not just you.  A lot of people feel the same way.  Which just goes to show the world was plenty of stupid people in it.
 
2014-07-09 07:36:22 AM  

grumpfuff: debug: grumpfuff: debug: If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating

This is America. It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, all that matters is what they BELIEVE it says.

Just like facts don't matter, all that matters is what you BELIEVE to be true(see: Hobby Lobby and "abortifacients")

Not true at all. In the hobby lobby case, they can actually point to scripture that shows birth control is against their religion, thus providing it for someone else would be a violation of their established religious beliefs. You can't do that in the case of the bakery.

A) I was referring to Hobby Lobby calling something like an IUD an abortifacient.

B) Show me the part of the Bible where it says birth control is not allowed. Include book, chapter, verse, and translation, if you will.


I don't own a bible so you'll have to look that up yourself.
 
2014-07-09 07:52:54 AM  

grumpfuff: debug: grumpfuff: debug: If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating

This is America. It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, all that matters is what they BELIEVE it says.

Just like facts don't matter, all that matters is what you BELIEVE to be true(see: Hobby Lobby and "abortifacients")

Not true at all. In the hobby lobby case, they can actually point to scripture that shows birth control is against their religion, thus providing it for someone else would be a violation of their established religious beliefs. You can't do that in the case of the bakery.

A) I was referring to Hobby Lobby calling something like an IUD an abortifacient.

B) Show me the part of the Bible where it says birth control is not allowed. Include book, chapter, verse, and translation, if you will.


Thank you for making point A since that's what the hobby lobby ruling is really about. The bible considers the unborn to be children and thus persons and aborting them would be akin to murder (according to Christians). That's why hobby lobby only fought to not provide for abortifacients. There are plenty of places in the bible thAt can be used to illustrate their belief that abortion is murder and forbidden.

If you can find something similar for the creation and selling of naked goods to homosexuals, then I'll concede that these people have an ESTABLISHED religious belief that would be violated by doing so, otherwise it's bullshiat and these people are trying to mask their bigotry with religion, which I think everyone in this discussion knows is the truth.
 
2014-07-09 07:54:10 AM  
Umm that would be "baked" goods, not naked goods.
 
2014-07-09 08:06:59 AM  

debug: The bible considers the unborn to be children and thus persons and aborting them would be akin to murder (according to Christians). That's why hobby lobby only fought to not provide for abortifacients. There are plenty of places in the bible thAt can be used to illustrate their belief that abortion is murder and forbidden.


Nope...

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. -- Exodus 21:22-23

Killing the unborn isn't considered murder; just a slight inconvenience that's only worth punishing by a fine... Killing the mother, on the other hand, you'll notice is considered worth punishing by death...

In fact, a literal reading of the Bible would lead one to believe that even newborns don't count as people until they reach one month old!

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. -- Leviticus 27:6

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. -- Numbers 3:15-16
 
2014-07-09 08:23:46 AM  

ciberido: Ker_Thwap: Anyone else think it's creepy using images of a childlike muppet to promote a sexual orientation choice?  It seems more like a NAMBLA deal than a gay marriage deal to me.

I'm sure it's not just you.  A lot of people feel the same way.  Which just goes to show the world was plenty of stupid people in it.


Rule 34 I suppose.  Enjoy your kiddie character porn.
 
2014-07-09 08:25:38 AM  

GoldSpider: Ant: I wonder how many people are just trolling religious bakeries now, trying to see if they'll refuse to bake a pro-gay rights cake.

That's what I believed this was right from the beginning: someone hunting for something to be outraged over.


Sarcastically I think the best way the bakery could have handled it was say "Sure, we'll have it done in a few hours. We have a backlog."  Then when the couple walks out, close up shop.  Sneak out the back way. And stay closed for a week. They'd lose less money than they're going to in court
 
2014-07-09 08:29:27 AM  

gja: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: Ant: nekom: Who makes a "support gay marriage" cake anyway?

So let's get this gay marriage thing going!  Shall we call our elected representatives?  No, how about we go to the media to present our side?  NO!  Wait, I got it!  We'll get a cake made!  BRILLIANT!

 I wonder how many people are just trolling religious bakeries now, trying to see if they'll refuse to bake a pro-gay rights cake.

Pretty funny, if you ask me.

I live near Boulder, CO and I wonder if I can get a bakery to refuse to make a "traditional marriage party!" cake and then claim religious discrimination.  Theaetetus, want the case?

Which religion would they be discriminating against? I think there are several that could apply there. How about this - get a bakery to refuse to make a "Happy Catholic Marriage!" cake, and then give me a call.

I will request this  decoration be put on it:

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So, again, which religion would they be allegedly discriminating against?

I meant in addition to the "Happy Catholic Traditional Marriage!" message.

Then how would you know whether they were discriminating against the images or the Catholicism?

The bakers here would've been fine if they said that they refused to print any cake with muppets on it.

Either way they are discriminating against me because of my religious beliefs.

You worship muppets?


Yea though I watch a show about furry creatures created by Henson, I will fear no animation. For Muppet Babies freaks me the hell out and I deserve it.
 
2014-07-09 08:31:29 AM  

soseussme: debug: The_Six_Fingered_Man:  GoldSpider thinks that a cake, no matter what the image or design, is a representative advertisement of the bakery. And he's correct. You seem to think that it's a pair of pants or an unrelated image. I am having trouble finding any reasonableness in your replies.


Well, he's partially correct.  It's an advertisement of the quality of the bakery and nothing more.  It is not an advertisement of the beliefs of the people that work at or own the bakery or the individual that decorated the cake.  Why the personal beliefs of these people are involved in any way makes no sense and making baked goods for people that have different beliefs than they do in no way infringes on their actual beliefs.  I'm quite sure there is no passage in the bible that states it is sinful to make baked goods for sinners, so how is this actually infringing upon their beliefs?

Like I said earlier, Jesus didn't refuse to give loaves and fishes to anyone.

'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

So basically these "Christians" just refused to bake a cake for Jesus.


In response. Using that verse. How dare they charge money.  They're supposed to give it away.
 
2014-07-09 08:34:54 AM  

debug: Umm that would be "baked" goods, not naked goods.


Well that just made a cake shop more interesting. Do they rent out the naked woman that pops out of the cake? Or naked man.  We have to be modern after all.
 
2014-07-09 11:04:11 AM  

debug: grumpfuff: debug: grumpfuff: debug: If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating

This is America. It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, all that matters is what they BELIEVE it says.

Just like facts don't matter, all that matters is what you BELIEVE to be true(see: Hobby Lobby and "abortifacients")

Not true at all. In the hobby lobby case, they can actually point to scripture that shows birth control is against their religion, thus providing it for someone else would be a violation of their established religious beliefs. You can't do that in the case of the bakery.

A) I was referring to Hobby Lobby calling something like an IUD an abortifacient.

B) Show me the part of the Bible where it says birth control is not allowed. Include book, chapter, verse, and translation, if you will.

I don't own a bible so you'll have to look that up yourself.



So...you don't actually know, you're just assuming it does? I've read the Bible several times, I can tell you it says nothing about birth control.
 
2014-07-09 11:07:30 AM  

debug: grumpfuff: debug: grumpfuff: debug: If you or they can't produce this tenant that they would be violating

This is America. It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, all that matters is what they BELIEVE it says.

Just like facts don't matter, all that matters is what you BELIEVE to be true(see: Hobby Lobby and "abortifacients")

Not true at all. In the hobby lobby case, they can actually point to scripture that shows birth control is against their religion, thus providing it for someone else would be a violation of their established religious beliefs. You can't do that in the case of the bakery.

A) I was referring to Hobby Lobby calling something like an IUD an abortifacient.

B) Show me the part of the Bible where it says birth control is not allowed. Include book, chapter, verse, and translation, if you will.

Thank you for making point A since that's what the hobby lobby ruling is really about. The bible considers the unborn to be children and thus persons and aborting them would be akin to murder (according to Christians). That's why hobby lobby only fought to not provide for abortifacients. There are plenty of places in the bible thAt can be used to illustrate their belief that abortion is murder and forbidden.

If you can find something similar for the creation and selling of naked goods to homosexuals, then I'll concede that these people have an ESTABLISHED religious belief that would be violated by doing so, otherwise it's bullshiat and these people are trying to mask their bigotry with religion, which I think everyone in this discussion knows is the truth.


A) IUDs are not abortifacients, despite what Hobby Lobby thinks

B) The Bible never says anything about abortion being murder. You just admitted you know of no such verse, so why are you repeating this claim?

C) The Bible also says nothing about selling cakes to gay people
 
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