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2014-07-08 10:30:14 AM  

Mad Scientist: Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?


What are they going to do?

Do a deliberately poor job of decorating the cake? Then the person who ordered the cake will tell everyone they did a substandard job.

Bake poison into the cake? Then everyone will get sick and people will know the baker deliberately tried to hurt people with their work, which will probably send them to jail.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:27 AM  

James!: Jaden Smith First of His Name: The article makes it sound like that one bakery is the only place in the UK where you can't get gay married.

They have weird laws over there.  Hell before the revolution Americans had to go to a pie shop in Baltimore to get married. The lines were so long you couldn't even get a pie most days.


2muchponey.com

/miss this show.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:58 AM  

theflatline: GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.

I am going to order pork chops and a side of shellfish in a kosher deli and become incensed when they don't serve me.


Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.
But a cake store bakes cakes and decorates them.

Bad analogy is bad. Try again.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:59 AM  

Gaylord Fister: Also, the bible mentions homosexuality only twice, but shellfish eight times. I bet you these hypocritical zombie worshippers wouldn't mind making a cake with a shrimp on it.


It mentions homosexuality  13 times and says shellfish is fine the last time it mentions it.
Not that it matters how often it mentions something
It only condemns sex with animals once.
 
2014-07-08 10:31:32 AM  

Carn: We used to watch tons of Sesame Street and never once even after the fact, did I ever think that Bert and Ernie are supposed to be gay (NTTAWWT).  Most likely, anyone who has any sort of problem with Sesame Street is the one with the agenda.  My brother and I thought that Bert and Ernie fishing was one of the funniest things ever.  Still pretty funny.

/1 2 3 4 5, 6 7 8 9 10, 11 12


Well, one did play with his rubber ducky a lot, or so he said and sang.  He was really repressed.
 
2014-07-08 10:31:54 AM  

fluffy2097: bestsportnascar: I wonder what would happen if a contractor refused to put in a bid to build a Chick-Fil-A because of their views. Would everyone be ok with that?

Well, if you don't bid for a job, you don't get picked to do it.


Do some custom cake companies put a price on the job? It could be argued that they didn't want to bid on the job of this cake.
 
2014-07-08 10:32:07 AM  
How have these bigots not realized they're on the wrong side of history by now? They're okay knowing future generations will either be ashamed or laughing at them?
 
2014-07-08 10:32:12 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The bottom line is ... You should never piss-off the people who make your food.  For every one bakery who doesn't want to serve you, there are probably at least 5 more in the vicinity who will be more than happy to.

That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community.  Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.


Why won't the gays tolerate my intolerance! Wahhhhh!   Seriously though, you are a moron if you actually believe what you just typed.
 
2014-07-08 10:32:17 AM  
Since gay people are such good decorators, shouldn't they do their own cake?
 
2014-07-08 10:32:29 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


You can love someone, but still not support their lifestyle.

Personally, I don't care. Marry your cat if you want.
 
2014-07-08 10:32:40 AM  
how hard would it have been for the bakery to simply mumble something about copyright laws and refuse to make the cake on those grounds instead? Dumbasses
 
2014-07-08 10:33:05 AM  

cwolf20: Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin


Have you ever walked up to the window with one to find out?

/Last time I took my dolphin for a walk we stopped by BK for fish sammiches. Yum.
 
2014-07-08 10:33:09 AM  

Teresaol31: Funny, there was a time when I thought that the fundamentalist "Bible Baptists" that went on and on about Bert and Ernie being a gay couple were just strange. (The same group was anti-vax way before anyone saw Jenny McCarthy naked because they thought that letting the health department give your kid a shot for any reason was a way for the kid to get secretly RFID chipped as the mark of the beast, I shiat you not!)

Ask a kid watching Sesame Street who Bert and Ernie are, they will tell you that they are friends who live in the same house.  They are pbviously based on the play/movie/television show the Odd Couple and represent the Felix and Oscar of Sesame Street, showing that two people with clearly different hobbies and priorities can learn to get along and live together.  They are not the Steve and Steve gay married couple (not that there is a thing wrong with that concept, but honestly, if you watch Sesame Street, you will notice that they simply do not address adult interpersonal relationships at all.  They, unlike the perverts that come up with this nonsense, don't think it's appropriate to discuss those things with preschoolers.  Whether it's Bert and Ernie being gay, or the notion that Gordon might take up with a white Mrs., they simply do not discuss such matters on the show!)

As for Bert and Ernie being gay, they don't even sleep in the same bed, so it's all in your heads morons.  Get your filthy minds out of the gutter you sex obsessed theist extremists!  Geez.  Not every damn thing in life has to be about sex, especially a show designed to teach kids preschool skills like getting along, telling the truth, and recognizing colors, shapes, letters, numbers.  Oh, yeah, I guess that would be offended to people that still think that people should isolate themselves from anyone different and only need enough education to read their Bibles!


Awesome analysis!

You seem to have a lot of free time on your hands, however.
 
2014-07-08 10:33:18 AM  
Children's Television Workshop should sue the AW activist for appropriating their intellectual property without permission to promote a political agenda.
 
2014-07-08 10:33:46 AM  

stpauler: GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.

Religious does not necessarily equal mind-numbingly stupid and bigoted.


It does mean that you've willingly surrendered your own logical sensibilities and moral code to a third party, so in fact yes it does.
 
2014-07-08 10:33:52 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?


Can you think of gayer muppets?
 
2014-07-08 10:35:14 AM  

Mad Scientist: Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?


Do you really want a world where random stores are off limits to you because the haters inside don't like blacks, jews, minorities, redheads, left handed people, muslims, fat chicks, LARPers, or people who can stomach Chicago style pizza?
 
2014-07-08 10:35:25 AM  

gfid: Good point. I know everyone thinks Bert and Ernie are gay, but I'm sure that wasn't the intent of their characters on Sesame Street - or maybe I'm just naive.


All college roommates everywhere are gay. No exceptions.
 
2014-07-08 10:35:48 AM  
Why are gays so intolerant of other peoples beliefs

www.folkingmetal.com
 
2014-07-08 10:35:49 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: menschenfresser: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?

Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.

Sadly, I think you might be serious.  Hey?  Remember the old mantra, "We're Here, We're Queer, Get Over It'?   Well, most thinking people have.  The problem is, not everybody WILL, and you're never going to MAKE them.  So why not just go to a different bakery and stop whining about EVERYTHING?  It's a farkin' CAKE.  Or do you really want a cake that some ignorant a-hole is likely to urinate on, or ejaculate into, while he laughs himself silly in the kitchen?  I don't care one way or another to whom you're attracted, but gay people really need to choose their battles more wisely.


Thank you for saying this.  Don't often see this level of intelligence on FARK.
 
2014-07-08 10:35:50 AM  

Super Chronic: HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?

I mean sure, they had hands up their asses, but it was strictly for puppeteering purposes.



Is that what the kids are calling it today?
 
2014-07-08 10:36:34 AM  

theflatline: GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.

I am going to order pork chops and a side of shellfish in a kosher deli and become incensed when they don't serve me.


The difference, of course, is that while you may not be able to get those specific foods neither can anyone else, and you can get other foods at the kosher deli without being harassed. These people cannot get a cake from a bakery that sells cakes. That's what discrimination is: someone is offering others services or products that they refuse to offer to a specific group.

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The bottom line is ... You should never piss-off the people who make your food.  For every one bakery who doesn't want to serve you, there are probably at least 5 more in the vicinity who will be more than happy to.

That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community.  Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.


No, people have to accept your intolerance. Not tolerate it, and not acquiesce to it.
 
2014-07-08 10:36:58 AM  
Just wanted to dispel the rumor, I saw them together at Scores

jaced.com
 
2014-07-08 10:37:03 AM  

genner: It mentions homosexuality 13 times


Chapters and verses, please?
 
2014-07-08 10:37:10 AM  

Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.


Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.
 
2014-07-08 10:37:21 AM  

BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.



^^   This for the win
 
gja
2014-07-08 10:38:25 AM  
"Whatta ya mean, 'No cake'?"
i3.ytimg.com

/the cake. it's a lie
 
2014-07-08 10:38:27 AM  

Selena Luna: That's what discrimination is: someone is offering others services or products that they refuse to offer to a specific group.


Nothing in the article suggests a particular group was refused service.
 
2014-07-08 10:38:37 AM  

Egoy3k: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The bottom line is ... You should never piss-off the people who make your food.  For every one bakery who doesn't want to serve you, there are probably at least 5 more in the vicinity who will be more than happy to.

That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community.  Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.

Why won't the gays tolerate my intolerance! Wahhhhh!   Seriously though, you are a moron if you actually believe what you just typed.


That's the other thing that bugs me about the black community. Where is their 'tolerance' for those who lynch them and burn crosses on their lawns and churches and set fire to their homes in the midde of the night?

Tolerance works both ways. Kinder! Kuchen! Kirche!
 
2014-07-08 10:40:29 AM  

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2014-07-08 10:40:30 AM  
Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.
 
2014-07-08 10:41:27 AM  
Why can't people just do what they farking want and let me read about cancer cures and shiat? Facebook figured out that negative news makes people miserable. I can farking attest to that.
 
2014-07-08 10:41:31 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community. Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.


www.agileproductdesign.com

"WHY WON'T YOU TOLERATE MY INTOLERANCE?!"

Moron.
 
2014-07-08 10:41:55 AM  
I know literally nothing about owning a business, but it always strikes me as a poor business model to turn away people who are willing to give you money for your services. That certain people are so obsessed with attaching their beliefs to their business just seems self-destructive.
 
2014-07-08 10:42:09 AM  
See, if a guy and a girl had walked in and asked for this cake, and said they were going to use it at church, getting kids to smear chocolate icing on it and stomp on it and THAT'LL SHOW THEM DANG QUEERS, I bet no one would have blinked.

Or, if upon refusal, one of them fell to the floor and started thrashing, then screamed "PRAISE JESUS I SEE THE LIGHT! I WILL FOLLOW YOU FOREVER once this guy makes my cake."

Or ask for one with David and Jonathan on it, and change the text to "a love more wonderful than the love of women".
 
2014-07-08 10:42:13 AM  
I have two early thirty-something guys living a couple houses down from me.  One works in a nutrition store and looks like a beefcake.  Does anyone think they're gay like Bert and Ernie?
 
2014-07-08 10:43:14 AM  

walkerhound: I have two early thirty-something guys living a couple houses down from me.  One works in a nutrition store and looks like a beefcake.  Does anyone think they're gay like Bert and Ernie?


Why not just ask them?
 
2014-07-08 10:44:05 AM  
Matthew 26:49
Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him.

So this religious bakery is upset because their faith disagrees with a gay lifestyle? Their religion based upon the life of a man who spent a majority of his life with 12 other men.

In Minnesota if someone does not want concealed weapons in their establishment they need to post by the door "guns banned on this premises", or something similar. If someone wants to be this bigoted maybe they need to post something similar so gay people and any non bigoted people can avoid the business.

I might suggest.
" I am a bigoted asshole, and believe love one another only referred to opposite sex couples, so my baked goods are not to be eaten by gays."

That would help gays and others like myself to avoid their business.
 
2014-07-08 10:44:50 AM  

GoldSpider: Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.

Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.


You wanna sue a coffee shop when they don't serve steak? Or a pet shop for not selling elephant rifles?
 
2014-07-08 10:45:02 AM  
So Bert and Ernie are pole-smokers? I guess that makes sense what with it being a children's program, and whatnot...
 
2014-07-08 10:45:31 AM  
Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?

There was a cake lady in our area who wouldn't make us a Harry potter cake (and several dozen themed cupcakes) because she thought the witchcraft was against her christian beliefs. Our response was to tell her that's too bad because this was a huge order that would have made her known to lots of people on the kids bday party circuit. Then we found someone else and told all our guests that the first business doesn't do Harry potter. They all thought that was weird and nobody used her. A woman at work said the lady wouldn't do her daughter's quinceanera cake because she thought the black flowers were inappropriate!! She lost a lot of business from people who were willing to pay good money for custom cakes. She was only in business about two or three years and I imagine it was because she kept turning down jobs.
But nobody had to get the government involved!! No one claimed she discriminated against Hispanics or was oppressing wiccans or any if that horseshiat. You don't like someone's business practices then run them out of business.
 
2014-07-08 10:45:48 AM  

Diogenes: "the case proves the need for the law to reasonably accommodate family-run businesses with firmly held beliefs".

Nice to see that England can still learn something from its petulant and rebellious children in America.  Too bad it's the wrong lesson.


Yeah! Freedom be damned! You print what we tell you to print, dammit! Would any bakery be hit with a lawsuit if they refused to put on a cake, "Abortion is murder?" Probably not.
 
2014-07-08 10:48:41 AM  

Heamer: I know literally nothing about owning a business, but it always strikes me as a poor business model to turn away people who are willing to give you money for your services. That certain people are so obsessed with attaching their beliefs to their business just seems self-destructive.


I opened a fireworks stand, but I only sold snakes and sparklers, because that's what I like.
 
2014-07-08 10:50:29 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: menschenfresser: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?

Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.

Sadly, I think you might be serious.  Hey?  Remember the old mantra, "We're Here, We're Queer, Get Over It'?   Well, most thinking people have.  The problem is, not everybody WILL, and you're never going to MAKE them.  So why not just go to a different bakery and stop whining about EVERYTHING?  It's a farkin' CAKE.  Or do you really want a cake that some ignorant a-hole is likely to urinate on, or ejaculate into, while he laughs himself silly in the kitchen?  I don't care one way or another to whom you're attracted, but gay people really need to choose their battles more wisely.


I respectfully disagree. Discrimination can't be tolerated. The cake or whatever other service was denied based on arbitrary nonsense "belief" is entirely beside the point; it could be disposed of once delivered since it would probably contain "undesirable matter" anyway. The principle of the matter - that is to say, that discrimination is not legal or acceptable in civilized society - is the point, not the cake. And that point rises far above just gay people or any other group - it benefits all of society when this sort of nonsense is removed from it.
 
2014-07-08 10:51:17 AM  

limboslam: Diogenes: "the case proves the need for the law to reasonably accommodate family-run businesses with firmly held beliefs".

Nice to see that England can still learn something from its petulant and rebellious children in America.  Too bad it's the wrong lesson.

Yeah! Freedom be damned! You print what we tell you to print, dammit! Would any bakery be hit with a lawsuit if they refused to put on a cake, "Abortion is murder?" Probably not.


Yeah! It's not like screaming about being oppressed is something that very many religious folks (especially Christians) do.

I agree with you suing them isn't really a battle worth fighting but lets not pretend that religious folks are morally superior on this front.
 
2014-07-08 10:51:20 AM  

MythDragon: Heamer: I know literally nothing about owning a business, but it always strikes me as a poor business model to turn away people who are willing to give you money for your services. That certain people are so obsessed with attaching their beliefs to their business just seems self-destructive.

I opened a fireworks stand, but I only sold snakes and sparklers, because that's what I like.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-07-08 10:51:36 AM  
Every so often I have a dream weird enough to remember.  A number of years ago, I had one about Ernie having a sex change and becoming Ernestina because Sesame Street was concerned that Bert and Ernie would be seen as a gay couple instead of as roommates.  Waking up, I thought it was stupid reasoning and kinda funny.  Might be why that became one of the dreams I remember for years or decades.

I read the article expecting to see a religious bakery refusing to make a cake for a kids birthday because of that kind of reasoning.  Burt and Ernie are fictional characters on a kids show aimed at toddlers and preschoolers.  Because of that they are portrayed in a manner that has no sexual dimension whatsoever.  I was surprised to see someone actually trying to portray a pair of kids characters as a homosexual couple in order to protest to gain the right for homosexuals to marry in that area of the country.

In the article this seems to be a matter of courtesy and common sense.  If the organization knew that the bakery was owned by religious people, they should have found another bakery rather than offend the owners of the bakery that they tried to hire for a part of their protest.  If they didn't know, they should have apologized, or at least made a token apology, and gone to a different bakery.

I really don't see any reason to ban homosexual marriage, polygamous marriage, etc. as long as all parties have legal rights to consent to the marriage.  An underage kid can't consent so no underage marriage.  Critters can't consent, so no marriage to turtles or any other critters.  If you are legally able to choose to consent and don't want to be in a marriage with a same sex partner or more than one partner, don't consent to be in one and you won't be in one.

As for religion, if the Church of X Denomination doesn't agree with homosexual marriage as a group, they don't have to perform the wedding ceremony.  As long as the couple has the marriage license, the marriage is still legal and there are probably several other denominations that will perform the ceremony, if the couple doesn't just get married at the justice of the peace like a lot of heterosexual couples do.
 
2014-07-08 10:52:58 AM  

Elliot8654: GoldSpider: Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.

Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.

You wanna sue a coffee shop when they don't serve steak? Or a pet shop for not selling elephant rifles?


"Reasonable" has nothing to do with it if we're going to use cases like this to compel businesses to produce whatever goods a customer demands.
 
2014-07-08 10:53:22 AM  

Deedeemarz: Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?


Not everyone lives in New York City and has fairly easy access to a couple dozen bakers. My mom grew up in a town that currently has 3,500 residents. How many bakers do you think work there?
 
2014-07-08 10:53:28 AM  

debug: Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?

You don't know the story of Jesus asking everyone their sexual preference before he handed out the loaves and fishes?  The gays didn't get a loaf cause making baked goods for gay people promotes their sexual preferences, don't ya know.


But that's not the right analogy.  The baker doesn't ask people about their private concerns before serving them.  The customer in this case asked for a super-gay themed cake.  The right analogy would be is two gays in the loaves and fish line came up and said to Jesus we are going to sodomize each other with these loaves and fishes, can we have some please?
 
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