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2014-07-08 09:34:35 AM  
Who makes a "support gay marriage" cake anyway?

So let's get this gay marriage thing going!  Shall we call our elected representatives?  No, how about we go to the media to present our side?  NO!  Wait, I got it!  We'll get a cake made!  BRILLIANT!
 
2014-07-08 09:44:22 AM  
"the case proves the need for the law to reasonably accommodate family-run businesses with firmly held beliefs".

Nice to see that England can still learn something from its petulant and rebellious children in America.  Too bad it's the wrong lesson.
 
2014-07-08 09:49:23 AM  
"I feel if we don't take a stand with this case, then how can we stand up against it further down the line?"

MacArthur is part right, they shouldn't have to take it, because it's their choice to bake it, so they'll never have that take that stand again, oh no.
 
2014-07-08 09:51:23 AM  
See, the cake *IS* a lie.
 
2014-07-08 09:51:40 AM  

nekom: Who makes a "support gay marriage" cake anyway?

So let's get this gay marriage thing going!  Shall we call our elected representatives?  No, how about we go to the media to present our side?  NO!  Wait, I got it!  We'll get a cake made!  BRILLIANT!


The cake was (now ironically) for Anti-Homophobia day in a part of the UK that doesn't allow gay marriage. I'd also be willing to bet a $3 bill that this wasn't the single pronged approach to marriage equality as your post suggests.
 
2014-07-08 09:52:11 AM  
Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?
 
2014-07-08 09:53:13 AM  
Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.
 
2014-07-08 09:53:42 AM  
Bakeries have really been the showdown spot between the two sides of this argument.
 
2014-07-08 09:54:04 AM  
Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?
 
2014-07-08 09:54:44 AM  
The article makes it sound like that one bakery is the only place in the UK where you can't get gay married.
 
2014-07-08 09:55:45 AM  
Can I get a dead jesus nailed to another dead jesus on my cake?
 
2014-07-08 09:55:59 AM  

BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.


Neither do you.
Yet, here you are.
 
2014-07-08 09:56:43 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-08 09:56:58 AM  
Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?
 
2014-07-08 09:57:02 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: The article makes it sound like that one bakery is the only place in the UK where you can't get gay married.


They have weird laws over there.  Hell before the revolution Americans had to go to a pie shop in Baltimore to get married. The lines were so long you couldn't even get a pie most days.
 
2014-07-08 09:58:11 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


He was on the corner of 4th and Elm.  The paparazzi were on break so it didn't get a lot of coverage.
 
2014-07-08 09:58:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?


I mean sure, they had hands up their asses, but it was strictly for puppeteering purposes.
 
2014-07-08 09:59:12 AM  
I'm sure PBS has got to be thrilled that their characters have been pulled into this.
 
2014-07-08 09:59:14 AM  
Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?
 
2014-07-08 09:59:16 AM  

BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.


^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?
 
2014-07-08 09:59:49 AM  
Dear bakery, stop being bigots.
Dear gay people, stop trying to buy your cakes from bigots.  Even if they cave and make it for you, would you really want to eat it?  Assholes probably put rat turds in it.  Tell the bigots to fark off and go find a sensible bakery.
 
2014-07-08 10:00:18 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?


Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.
 
2014-07-08 10:00:29 AM  
Queers can't get a cake.   Nazis can't get a cake.  Therefore, queers are Nazis . . . or something.
 
2014-07-08 10:00:47 AM  

Mad Scientist: Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?


Do you really want to eat at a lunch counter staffed by people who hate you?
Do you really want to ride on a bus driven by people who hate you?
Do you really want to vote at a polling place manned by people who hate you?
Why, no, of course not - that would be "dickish". You should just stifle your silly desire for equal treatment, and go home.
You are bothering the rest of us while we are trying to watch "American Idol".
 
2014-07-08 10:00:52 AM  
Isn't a good rule of thumb to never let someone who hates you prepare your food?

/Ernie and Bert were not gay.
//Neither were Felix and Oscar who they were styled after.
\Not sure about the latter couple.
 
2014-07-08 10:01:12 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


Last Tuesday.  It's really the LEAST psychotic thing my gardener has said.
 
2014-07-08 10:01:18 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


Mark 12:31: The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. Unless he's icky gay, then hate him' - Catholic League National Version
 
2014-07-08 10:01:29 AM  

ReverendJasen: Dear bakery, stop being bigots.
Dear gay people, stop trying to buy your cakes from bigots.  Even if they cave and make it for you, would you really want to eat it?  Assholes probably put rat turds in it.  Tell the bigots to fark off and go find a sensible bakery.


Those are chocolate sprinkles.
 
2014-07-08 10:01:49 AM  
stpauler:
The cake was (now ironically) for Anti-Homophobia day in a part of the UK that doesn't allow gay marriage. I'd also be willing to bet a $3 bill that this wasn't the single pronged approach to marriage equality as your post suggests.

Well, then I suppose that might make sense.
 
2014-07-08 10:02:16 AM  
Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin
 
2014-07-08 10:02:54 AM  
Funny, there was a time when I thought that the fundamentalist "Bible Baptists" that went on and on about Bert and Ernie being a gay couple were just strange. (The same group was anti-vax way before anyone saw Jenny McCarthy naked because they thought that letting the health department give your kid a shot for any reason was a way for the kid to get secretly RFID chipped as the mark of the beast, I shiat you not!)

Ask a kid watching Sesame Street who Bert and Ernie are, they will tell you that they are friends who live in the same house.  They are pbviously based on the play/movie/television show the Odd Couple and represent the Felix and Oscar of Sesame Street, showing that two people with clearly different hobbies and priorities can learn to get along and live together.  They are not the Steve and Steve gay married couple (not that there is a thing wrong with that concept, but honestly, if you watch Sesame Street, you will notice that they simply do not address adult interpersonal relationships at all.  They, unlike the perverts that come up with this nonsense, don't think it's appropriate to discuss those things with preschoolers.  Whether it's Bert and Ernie being gay, or the notion that Gordon might take up with a white Mrs., they simply do not discuss such matters on the show!)

As for Bert and Ernie being gay, they don't even sleep in the same bed, so it's all in your heads morons.  Get your filthy minds out of the gutter you sex obsessed theist extremists!  Geez.  Not every damn thing in life has to be about sex, especially a show designed to teach kids preschool skills like getting along, telling the truth, and recognizing colors, shapes, letters, numbers.  Oh, yeah, I guess that would be offended to people that still think that people should isolate themselves from anyone different and only need enough education to read their Bibles!
 
2014-07-08 10:03:22 AM  
While people have a right to believe gay marriage is good, other people also have a right to belief that it is not.  We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in.  Go down the street and get the cake from someone who either supports gay marriage or doesn't give a f*** (like most people) and wants to make money selling cakes.

I don't have to support your gay or straight marriage, but I have the right to choose what I do and do not support.
 
2014-07-08 10:03:59 AM  
Can I go to Big Gay Al's Cake Emporium and order a 'I support traditional marriage' cake?

Patrick Stewart will be in trouble...

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2014-07-08 10:04:13 AM  
Damn it.  I wish I could edit post post.  Sure I could proof read before I post, but that would make more sense.

/that=to (obviously)
 
2014-07-08 10:04:15 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?


When I was a little kid, I figured they were cousins or something. Hell, they slept in the same bed and everything just like I did when my cousins came over to visit. I slept in the same bed with my brother until I was 7.
 
2014-07-08 10:05:14 AM  

jso2897: Mad Scientist: Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?

Do you really want to eat at a lunch counter staffed by people who hate you?
Do you really want to ride on a bus driven by people who hate you?
Do you really want to vote at a polling place manned by people who hate you?
Why, no, of course not - that would be "dickish". You should just stifle your silly desire for equal treatment, and go home.
You are bothering the rest of us while we are trying to watch "American Idol".


I understand your point, they do indeed deserve fair and equal treatment.  But it isn't about being dickish, it's about self-preservation.
 
2014-07-08 10:05:21 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?


no. I did too because Earnie seemed like the annoying little brother.  Since I was the annoying little sister in my family, I would know.
 
2014-07-08 10:05:55 AM  
Religious bakery tells customer it won't bake a Bert and Ernie cake because something.. something about gay marriage

Religious bakery refused to create Bert and Ernie cake in support of gay marriage

Subby, how did you manage to end up with a longer headline with less information?  That's some kind of talent.
 
2014-07-08 10:06:04 AM  

cwolf20: Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin


It's not their fault Burger king is lobbying hard to get dolphin back on the menu.
Also this is happening in the UK.
 
2014-07-08 10:07:02 AM  

maxx2112: Queers can't get a cake.   Nazis can't get a cake.  Therefore, queers are Nazis . . . or something.


Now I really want to see a child named Judas Iscariot. (And it works for a boy or a girl.) Or perhaps Bennedict Arnold.

/because I apparently hate children today
//at least we're not naming a boy Sue
///let's name a boy Sue
 
2014-07-08 10:07:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?


Good point.  I know everyone thinks Bert and Ernie are gay, but I'm sure that wasn't the intent of their characters on Sesame Street - or maybe I'm just naive.

But I think a private business should be able to refuse certain jobs for whatever reason they can think of.  If they don't like big dicks, they shouldn't be required to make a cake in the shape of a big dick.  If they don't support gay marriage, let them refuse to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

There are probably trademarks at stake here anyway.
 
2014-07-08 10:07:15 AM  

jso2897: Do you really want to eat at a lunch counter staffed by people who hate you?


Fark no.

Do you really want to ride on a bus driven by people who hate you?
Do you really want to vote at a polling place manned by people who hate you?


Wouldn't give a shiat, for either of those.  They can't take a dump in my lunch.
 
2014-07-08 10:07:18 AM  

cwolf20: Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin


Yeah. That would be a smart thing for you to do.
 
2014-07-08 10:08:12 AM  
"We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in."

So stores should be allowed to refuse service to black people?
 
2014-07-08 10:08:40 AM  
Don't worry. They'll get crucified.
 
2014-07-08 10:09:57 AM  
fta We thought that this order was at odds with our beliefs. It certainly was in contradiction of what the Bible teaches

God hates fondant
 
2014-07-08 10:09:59 AM  

jso2897: cwolf20: Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin

Yeah. That would be a smart thing for you to do.


Attributing anything "smart" to him is an insult to the word "smart".
 
2014-07-08 10:10:03 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


Some immigration holding cell down near the Texas/Mexico border?
 
2014-07-08 10:10:21 AM  
I think this may have been a clever ruse to highlight discrimination against LGBT people in their area...  I doubt they needed that cake at all.
 
2014-07-08 10:10:43 AM  
my grandfather died falling off a guard tower at a religious bakery in the war.
 
2014-07-08 10:10:54 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


You don't know the story of Jesus asking everyone their sexual preference before he handed out the loaves and fishes?  The gays didn't get a loaf cause making baked goods for gay people promotes their sexual preferences, don't ya know.
 
2014-07-08 10:11:01 AM  

Notabunny: fta We thought that this order was at odds with our beliefs. It certainly was in contradiction of what the Bible teaches

God hates fondant


No, god hates sesame street apparently.
 
2014-07-08 10:11:16 AM  

ReverendJasen: Dear gay people, stop trying to buy your cakes from bigots.


The problem is we don't know who the bigots are until we try to order a cake.
 
2014-07-08 10:11:20 AM  
Ontario recently made it legal for doctors to refuse to prescribe or dispense birth control pills for religious reasons.

I'm gonna invent my own crazy religion that says that blood pressure medication is a sin, and refuse to prescribe it to fat pretentious christians.
 
2014-07-08 10:11:33 AM  

Gaylord Fister: "We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in."

So stores should be allowed to refuse service to black people?


Or Irish for that matter
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2014-07-08 10:11:41 AM  
If the gays were licensed to carry a pistol this wouldnt be an issue, because the bakery wouldnt even have to let them onto their property.

Equal protection for some........
 
2014-07-08 10:13:41 AM  

HoustonNick: While people have a right to believe gay marriage is good, other people also have a right to belief that it is not.  We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in.  Go down the street and get the cake from someone who either supports gay marriage or doesn't give a f*** (like most people) and wants to make money selling cakes.

I don't have to support your gay or straight marriage, but I have the right to choose what I do and do not support.


I don't support black people sleeping on the same mattresses as white folks. Stop forcing my motel business to support that.
I don't support Latinos eating sandwiches. Stop forcing my lunch counter to support that.
I don't support infidels riding in my holy taxicab, smelling like pork. Stop forcing me to support that.
Yeah, that'll work.
 
2014-07-08 10:14:38 AM  
A packed fudge cake with Hershey Highway frosting would be in order.
 
2014-07-08 10:15:03 AM  

Katolu: jso2897: cwolf20: Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin

Yeah. That would be a smart thing for you to do.

Attributing anything "smart" to him is an insult to the word "smart".


What I meant was that, out of all the things he is likely to do, that would probably be one of the smarter ones.
 
2014-07-08 10:15:43 AM  

menschenfresser: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?

Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.


Sadly, I think you might be serious.  Hey?  Remember the old mantra, "We're Here, We're Queer, Get Over It'?   Well, most thinking people have.  The problem is, not everybody WILL, and you're never going to MAKE them.  So why not just go to a different bakery and stop whining about EVERYTHING?  It's a farkin' CAKE.  Or do you really want a cake that some ignorant a-hole is likely to urinate on, or ejaculate into, while he laughs himself silly in the kitchen?  I don't care one way or another to whom you're attracted, but gay people really need to choose their battles more wisely.
 
2014-07-08 10:16:03 AM  

maxx2112: Queers can't get a cake.   Nazis can't get a cake.  Therefore, queers are Nazis . . . or something.


www.texasobserver.org

Problem solved.
 
2014-07-08 10:16:06 AM  
You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.
 
2014-07-08 10:16:17 AM  

Katolu: jso2897: cwolf20: Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin

Yeah. That would be a smart thing for you to do.

Attributing anything "smart" to him is an insult to the word "smart".


Missed it by that much 99
 
2014-07-08 10:17:29 AM  

Deathfrogg: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?

When I was a little kid, I figured they were cousins or something. Hell, they slept in the same bed and everything just like I did when my cousins came over to visit. I slept in the same bed with my brother until I was 7.


i1.ytimg.com


                     "LOL, WUT?"
 
2014-07-08 10:18:13 AM  

GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.


Cant wait to see whats written on that receipt.


/only to find out later it was a hoax
 
2014-07-08 10:18:49 AM  

Giltric: If the gays were licensed to carry a pistol this wouldnt be an issue, because the bakery wouldnt even have to let them onto their property.

Equal protection for some........


If the bakery was near a Los Angeles city school pot smokers and registered sexual deviates couldn't buy there either
 
2014-07-08 10:19:50 AM  

nekom: Who makes a "support gay marriage" cake anyway?

So let's get this gay marriage thing going!  Shall we call our elected representatives?  No, how about we go to the media to present our side?  NO!  Wait, I got it!  We'll get a cake made!  BRILLIANT!


If you're getting gay married, doesn't that pretty much point to the fact that you are gay-rights?
 
2014-07-08 10:20:30 AM  

vudukungfu: Can I get a dead jesus nailed to another dead jesus on my cake?


What like two gay jesus nailing each other on top of the cake? I'm confused.
 
2014-07-08 10:20:31 AM  

big pig peaches: ReverendJasen: Dear bakery, stop being bigots.
Dear gay people, stop trying to buy your cakes from bigots.  Even if they cave and make it for you, would you really want to eat it?  Assholes probably put rat turds in it.  Tell the bigots to fark off and go find a sensible bakery.

Those are chocolate sprinkles jimmies.


Fixed that for New England.
 
2014-07-08 10:20:43 AM  
Why should these people be burdened with others' beliefs? If they don't want to serve gay people, then those people should patronize some other business that will. The former bakery will lose money, and if enough people avoid them, they'll go out of business. Why pick a fight??
 
2014-07-08 10:20:53 AM  
Also, the bible mentions homosexuality only twice, but shellfish eight times. I bet you these hypocritical zombie worshippers wouldn't mind making a cake with a shrimp on it.
 
2014-07-08 10:21:41 AM  

GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.


Religious does not necessarily equal mind-numbingly stupid and bigoted.
 
2014-07-08 10:22:03 AM  
How many cakes a day do the make for unwed moms and couples living together I wonder. They might as well be the bakery for hell!
 
2014-07-08 10:22:10 AM  
Personally, if a company was hesitant to make something I requested, I believe I would go elsewhere. I doubt if they eventually agreed to do it, that it would be up to their normal standards. Not every professional acts professional.
 
2014-07-08 10:22:12 AM  
Bert & Ernie are just two eligible bachelors living together since the late '60s. So what if they never dated a woman or probably even spoke to any. Maybe they're just shy fellas.
 
2014-07-08 10:22:21 AM  

ReverendJasen: Dear bakery, stop being bigots.
Dear gay people, stop trying to buy your cakes from bigots.  Even if they cave and make it for you, would you really want to eat it?  Assholes probably put rat turds in it.  Tell the bigots to fark off and go find a sensible bakery.


The cake will be donated to the local church.
 
2014-07-08 10:22:51 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?


I always assumed Bert was Ernie's father.
 
2014-07-08 10:22:55 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Deathfrogg: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?

When I was a little kid, I figured they were cousins or something. Hell, they slept in the same bed and everything just like I did when my cousins came over to visit. I slept in the same bed with my brother until I was 7.

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                     "LOL, WUT?"


They slept in the same bed for the first 3-4 years of Sesame Street. I watched that show from day one.
 
2014-07-08 10:23:14 AM  
The only right thing to do is legally force them into making the cake, then filing a credit card chargeback because of the spit content of the cake.

/you're not getting a cake without spit or worse in it, via suing someone.
 
2014-07-08 10:23:18 AM  
Some people read waaaay too much into things.

General rule of thumb: if you're constantly worried about the gay sexxin', you're either in prison, or a prisoner of your own thwarted desires...
 
2014-07-08 10:23:30 AM  

BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.


I completely agree, just arguing with everyone is assholish.   If you don't want the job of baking stuff for the public, don't open your business to the public, it is as simple as that.   Go do private catering or something.   Stop arguing with customers.
 
2014-07-08 10:24:36 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?


Since it's the UK - Tinky Winky, the gay Teletubby, would have been more appropriate.
 
2014-07-08 10:24:39 AM  

DubtodaIll: Bakeries have really been the showdown spot between the two sides of this argument.


Yeah, smart bakeries stay out of politics and take peoples money.

Dumb bakeries fight with their customers and get sued into non-existence.
 
2014-07-08 10:24:55 AM  

bdub77: I'm confused.


We all are until we open up.
 
2014-07-08 10:24:55 AM  
We used to watch tons of Sesame Street and never once even after the fact, did I ever think that Bert and Ernie are supposed to be gay (NTTAWWT).  Most likely, anyone who has any sort of problem with Sesame Street is the one with the agenda.  My brother and I thought that Bert and Ernie fishing was one of the funniest things ever.  Still pretty funny.

/1 2 3 4 5, 6 7 8 9 10, 11 12
 
2014-07-08 10:25:38 AM  
The poutrage continues.
 
2014-07-08 10:25:40 AM  
I wonder what would happen if a contractor refused to put in a bid to build a Chick-Fil-A because of their views. Would everyone be ok with that?
 
2014-07-08 10:26:07 AM  

GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.


I am going to order pork chops and a side of shellfish in a kosher deli and become incensed when they don't serve me.
 
2014-07-08 10:26:21 AM  

nekom: Who makes a "support gay marriage" cake anyway?


People that make a living by filing lawsuits?
 
2014-07-08 10:26:31 AM  

stpauler: GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.

Religious does not necessarily equal mind-numbingly stupid and bigoted.


No but if your objective is to manufacture outrage and/or a lawsuit, it's a convenient target.
 
2014-07-08 10:26:56 AM  
The bottom line is ... You should never piss-off the people who make your food.  For every one bakery who doesn't want to serve you, there are probably at least 5 more in the vicinity who will be more than happy to.

That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community.  Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.
 
2014-07-08 10:27:03 AM  

bestsportnascar: I wonder what would happen if a contractor refused to put in a bid to build a Chick-Fil-A because of their views. Would everyone be ok with that?


Well, if you don't bid for a job, you don't get picked to do it.
 
2014-07-08 10:27:46 AM  

menschenfresser: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?

Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.


The differences being;

This isn't in the US
They were refused service for being gay, they were told they couldn't have a specific saying on the cake.

I don't like bigots much but the good news is most of the anti gay bigots are from an older generation, once they kick the bucket there won;t be many of them around. I don't think that persuing legal actions against bakeries is going to solve anything.
 
2014-07-08 10:28:33 AM  

hubiestubert: Some people read waaaay too much into things.

General rule of thumb: if you're constantly worried about the gay sexxin', you're either in prison, or a prisoner of your own thwarted desires...


No, I'm worried that someone may be having more fun they me.  I'm against all sexing, drugs, and I consider smiling suspicious.
 
2014-07-08 10:29:03 AM  

genner: cwolf20: Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin

It's not their fault Burger king is lobbying hard to get dolphin back on the menu.
Also this is happening in the UK.


I wish some judge or magistrate would grow a pair and start throwing these stupid-sh*t lawsuits out of court and charging the plaintiffs $$$ for it so people who have a legitimate case could get a court date in under 10 years.
 
2014-07-08 10:29:18 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The bottom line is ... You should never piss-off the people who make your food.  For every one bakery who doesn't want to serve you, there are probably at least 5 more in the vicinity who will be more than happy to.

That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay Negro community.  Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.


Dialed it back to 1950 for you.

You're welcome.
 
2014-07-08 10:29:24 AM  
What is it about the baked goods industry that attracts so many attention whores?
 
2014-07-08 10:29:55 AM  

soporific: maxx2112: Queers can't get a cake.   Nazis can't get a cake.  Therefore, queers are Nazis . . . or something.

Now I really want to see a child named Judas Iscariot. (And it works for a boy or a girl.) Or perhaps Bennedict Arnold.

/because I apparently hate children today
//at least we're not naming a boy Sue
///let's name a boy Sue


A family friend had an informal contest and the winner would win the ostensible right to name her baby. My entry, little Darth Lebron Osama bin Nelson, didn't win and she went with my brother's suggestion, Garrett.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:03 AM  

theflatline: GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.

I am going to order pork chops and a side of shellfish in a kosher deli and become incensed when they don't serve me.


which would make sense if the deli actually had those things on their menu.  If you go someplace and order something that isn't on the menu, don't be surprised if they don't serve it to you.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:07 AM  

Gaylord Fister: So stores should be allowed to refuse service to black people?


Yes, if freedom of association means anything.   And people who do so should be prepared to face the full responsibility for the loss of business and ill-will that doing so would generate.

As a people, we've forgotten how much power is truly in our hands, versus running to a big government to remake the world as we would like things to be.   Remember that odious bus policy that forced blacks to sit in the back?   Just how was that resolved, the police?   No- it was voluntary boycotts that brought that bus company to its knees.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:14 AM  

Mad Scientist: Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?


What are they going to do?

Do a deliberately poor job of decorating the cake? Then the person who ordered the cake will tell everyone they did a substandard job.

Bake poison into the cake? Then everyone will get sick and people will know the baker deliberately tried to hurt people with their work, which will probably send them to jail.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:27 AM  

James!: Jaden Smith First of His Name: The article makes it sound like that one bakery is the only place in the UK where you can't get gay married.

They have weird laws over there.  Hell before the revolution Americans had to go to a pie shop in Baltimore to get married. The lines were so long you couldn't even get a pie most days.


2muchponey.com

/miss this show.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:58 AM  

theflatline: GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.

I am going to order pork chops and a side of shellfish in a kosher deli and become incensed when they don't serve me.


Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.
But a cake store bakes cakes and decorates them.

Bad analogy is bad. Try again.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:59 AM  

Gaylord Fister: Also, the bible mentions homosexuality only twice, but shellfish eight times. I bet you these hypocritical zombie worshippers wouldn't mind making a cake with a shrimp on it.


It mentions homosexuality  13 times and says shellfish is fine the last time it mentions it.
Not that it matters how often it mentions something
It only condemns sex with animals once.
 
2014-07-08 10:31:32 AM  

Carn: We used to watch tons of Sesame Street and never once even after the fact, did I ever think that Bert and Ernie are supposed to be gay (NTTAWWT).  Most likely, anyone who has any sort of problem with Sesame Street is the one with the agenda.  My brother and I thought that Bert and Ernie fishing was one of the funniest things ever.  Still pretty funny.

/1 2 3 4 5, 6 7 8 9 10, 11 12


Well, one did play with his rubber ducky a lot, or so he said and sang.  He was really repressed.
 
2014-07-08 10:31:54 AM  

fluffy2097: bestsportnascar: I wonder what would happen if a contractor refused to put in a bid to build a Chick-Fil-A because of their views. Would everyone be ok with that?

Well, if you don't bid for a job, you don't get picked to do it.


Do some custom cake companies put a price on the job? It could be argued that they didn't want to bid on the job of this cake.
 
2014-07-08 10:32:07 AM  
How have these bigots not realized they're on the wrong side of history by now? They're okay knowing future generations will either be ashamed or laughing at them?
 
2014-07-08 10:32:12 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The bottom line is ... You should never piss-off the people who make your food.  For every one bakery who doesn't want to serve you, there are probably at least 5 more in the vicinity who will be more than happy to.

That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community.  Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.


Why won't the gays tolerate my intolerance! Wahhhhh!   Seriously though, you are a moron if you actually believe what you just typed.
 
2014-07-08 10:32:17 AM  
Since gay people are such good decorators, shouldn't they do their own cake?
 
2014-07-08 10:32:29 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


You can love someone, but still not support their lifestyle.

Personally, I don't care. Marry your cat if you want.
 
2014-07-08 10:32:40 AM  
how hard would it have been for the bakery to simply mumble something about copyright laws and refuse to make the cake on those grounds instead? Dumbasses
 
2014-07-08 10:33:05 AM  

cwolf20: Come to America. The lawsuit hap happiest place on earth.  I think I should go sue Burger King for not serving dolphin


Have you ever walked up to the window with one to find out?

/Last time I took my dolphin for a walk we stopped by BK for fish sammiches. Yum.
 
2014-07-08 10:33:09 AM  

Teresaol31: Funny, there was a time when I thought that the fundamentalist "Bible Baptists" that went on and on about Bert and Ernie being a gay couple were just strange. (The same group was anti-vax way before anyone saw Jenny McCarthy naked because they thought that letting the health department give your kid a shot for any reason was a way for the kid to get secretly RFID chipped as the mark of the beast, I shiat you not!)

Ask a kid watching Sesame Street who Bert and Ernie are, they will tell you that they are friends who live in the same house.  They are pbviously based on the play/movie/television show the Odd Couple and represent the Felix and Oscar of Sesame Street, showing that two people with clearly different hobbies and priorities can learn to get along and live together.  They are not the Steve and Steve gay married couple (not that there is a thing wrong with that concept, but honestly, if you watch Sesame Street, you will notice that they simply do not address adult interpersonal relationships at all.  They, unlike the perverts that come up with this nonsense, don't think it's appropriate to discuss those things with preschoolers.  Whether it's Bert and Ernie being gay, or the notion that Gordon might take up with a white Mrs., they simply do not discuss such matters on the show!)

As for Bert and Ernie being gay, they don't even sleep in the same bed, so it's all in your heads morons.  Get your filthy minds out of the gutter you sex obsessed theist extremists!  Geez.  Not every damn thing in life has to be about sex, especially a show designed to teach kids preschool skills like getting along, telling the truth, and recognizing colors, shapes, letters, numbers.  Oh, yeah, I guess that would be offended to people that still think that people should isolate themselves from anyone different and only need enough education to read their Bibles!


Awesome analysis!

You seem to have a lot of free time on your hands, however.
 
2014-07-08 10:33:18 AM  
Children's Television Workshop should sue the AW activist for appropriating their intellectual property without permission to promote a political agenda.
 
2014-07-08 10:33:46 AM  

stpauler: GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.

Religious does not necessarily equal mind-numbingly stupid and bigoted.


It does mean that you've willingly surrendered your own logical sensibilities and moral code to a third party, so in fact yes it does.
 
2014-07-08 10:33:52 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?


Can you think of gayer muppets?
 
2014-07-08 10:35:14 AM  

Mad Scientist: Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?


Do you really want a world where random stores are off limits to you because the haters inside don't like blacks, jews, minorities, redheads, left handed people, muslims, fat chicks, LARPers, or people who can stomach Chicago style pizza?
 
2014-07-08 10:35:25 AM  

gfid: Good point. I know everyone thinks Bert and Ernie are gay, but I'm sure that wasn't the intent of their characters on Sesame Street - or maybe I'm just naive.


All college roommates everywhere are gay. No exceptions.
 
2014-07-08 10:35:48 AM  
Why are gays so intolerant of other peoples beliefs

www.folkingmetal.com
 
2014-07-08 10:35:49 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: menschenfresser: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?

Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.

Sadly, I think you might be serious.  Hey?  Remember the old mantra, "We're Here, We're Queer, Get Over It'?   Well, most thinking people have.  The problem is, not everybody WILL, and you're never going to MAKE them.  So why not just go to a different bakery and stop whining about EVERYTHING?  It's a farkin' CAKE.  Or do you really want a cake that some ignorant a-hole is likely to urinate on, or ejaculate into, while he laughs himself silly in the kitchen?  I don't care one way or another to whom you're attracted, but gay people really need to choose their battles more wisely.


Thank you for saying this.  Don't often see this level of intelligence on FARK.
 
2014-07-08 10:35:50 AM  

Super Chronic: HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?

I mean sure, they had hands up their asses, but it was strictly for puppeteering purposes.



Is that what the kids are calling it today?
 
2014-07-08 10:36:34 AM  

theflatline: GoldSpider: You order a "support gay marriage" cake from a religious bakery, and then get indignant when they decline?

Take this drivel to The Consumerist, subby.

I am going to order pork chops and a side of shellfish in a kosher deli and become incensed when they don't serve me.


The difference, of course, is that while you may not be able to get those specific foods neither can anyone else, and you can get other foods at the kosher deli without being harassed. These people cannot get a cake from a bakery that sells cakes. That's what discrimination is: someone is offering others services or products that they refuse to offer to a specific group.

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The bottom line is ... You should never piss-off the people who make your food.  For every one bakery who doesn't want to serve you, there are probably at least 5 more in the vicinity who will be more than happy to.

That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community.  Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.


No, people have to accept your intolerance. Not tolerate it, and not acquiesce to it.
 
2014-07-08 10:36:58 AM  
Just wanted to dispel the rumor, I saw them together at Scores

jaced.com
 
2014-07-08 10:37:03 AM  

genner: It mentions homosexuality 13 times


Chapters and verses, please?
 
2014-07-08 10:37:10 AM  

Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.


Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.
 
2014-07-08 10:37:21 AM  

BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.



^^   This for the win
 
gja
2014-07-08 10:38:25 AM  
"Whatta ya mean, 'No cake'?"
i3.ytimg.com

/the cake. it's a lie
 
2014-07-08 10:38:27 AM  

Selena Luna: That's what discrimination is: someone is offering others services or products that they refuse to offer to a specific group.


Nothing in the article suggests a particular group was refused service.
 
2014-07-08 10:38:37 AM  

Egoy3k: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The bottom line is ... You should never piss-off the people who make your food.  For every one bakery who doesn't want to serve you, there are probably at least 5 more in the vicinity who will be more than happy to.

That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community.  Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.

Why won't the gays tolerate my intolerance! Wahhhhh!   Seriously though, you are a moron if you actually believe what you just typed.


That's the other thing that bugs me about the black community. Where is their 'tolerance' for those who lynch them and burn crosses on their lawns and churches and set fire to their homes in the midde of the night?

Tolerance works both ways. Kinder! Kuchen! Kirche!
 
2014-07-08 10:40:29 AM  

2.bp.blogspot.com

 
2014-07-08 10:40:30 AM  
Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.
 
2014-07-08 10:41:27 AM  
Why can't people just do what they farking want and let me read about cancer cures and shiat? Facebook figured out that negative news makes people miserable. I can farking attest to that.
 
2014-07-08 10:41:31 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: That's the other thing that bugs me about the gay community. Where is their 'tolerance' for those who don't agree with their lifestyle?

Tolerance works both ways.


www.agileproductdesign.com

"WHY WON'T YOU TOLERATE MY INTOLERANCE?!"

Moron.
 
2014-07-08 10:41:55 AM  
I know literally nothing about owning a business, but it always strikes me as a poor business model to turn away people who are willing to give you money for your services. That certain people are so obsessed with attaching their beliefs to their business just seems self-destructive.
 
2014-07-08 10:42:09 AM  
See, if a guy and a girl had walked in and asked for this cake, and said they were going to use it at church, getting kids to smear chocolate icing on it and stomp on it and THAT'LL SHOW THEM DANG QUEERS, I bet no one would have blinked.

Or, if upon refusal, one of them fell to the floor and started thrashing, then screamed "PRAISE JESUS I SEE THE LIGHT! I WILL FOLLOW YOU FOREVER once this guy makes my cake."

Or ask for one with David and Jonathan on it, and change the text to "a love more wonderful than the love of women".
 
2014-07-08 10:42:13 AM  
I have two early thirty-something guys living a couple houses down from me.  One works in a nutrition store and looks like a beefcake.  Does anyone think they're gay like Bert and Ernie?
 
2014-07-08 10:43:14 AM  

walkerhound: I have two early thirty-something guys living a couple houses down from me.  One works in a nutrition store and looks like a beefcake.  Does anyone think they're gay like Bert and Ernie?


Why not just ask them?
 
2014-07-08 10:44:05 AM  
Matthew 26:49
Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him.

So this religious bakery is upset because their faith disagrees with a gay lifestyle? Their religion based upon the life of a man who spent a majority of his life with 12 other men.

In Minnesota if someone does not want concealed weapons in their establishment they need to post by the door "guns banned on this premises", or something similar. If someone wants to be this bigoted maybe they need to post something similar so gay people and any non bigoted people can avoid the business.

I might suggest.
" I am a bigoted asshole, and believe love one another only referred to opposite sex couples, so my baked goods are not to be eaten by gays."

That would help gays and others like myself to avoid their business.
 
2014-07-08 10:44:50 AM  

GoldSpider: Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.

Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.


You wanna sue a coffee shop when they don't serve steak? Or a pet shop for not selling elephant rifles?
 
2014-07-08 10:45:02 AM  
So Bert and Ernie are pole-smokers? I guess that makes sense what with it being a children's program, and whatnot...
 
2014-07-08 10:45:31 AM  
Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?

There was a cake lady in our area who wouldn't make us a Harry potter cake (and several dozen themed cupcakes) because she thought the witchcraft was against her christian beliefs. Our response was to tell her that's too bad because this was a huge order that would have made her known to lots of people on the kids bday party circuit. Then we found someone else and told all our guests that the first business doesn't do Harry potter. They all thought that was weird and nobody used her. A woman at work said the lady wouldn't do her daughter's quinceanera cake because she thought the black flowers were inappropriate!! She lost a lot of business from people who were willing to pay good money for custom cakes. She was only in business about two or three years and I imagine it was because she kept turning down jobs.
But nobody had to get the government involved!! No one claimed she discriminated against Hispanics or was oppressing wiccans or any if that horseshiat. You don't like someone's business practices then run them out of business.
 
2014-07-08 10:45:48 AM  

Diogenes: "the case proves the need for the law to reasonably accommodate family-run businesses with firmly held beliefs".

Nice to see that England can still learn something from its petulant and rebellious children in America.  Too bad it's the wrong lesson.


Yeah! Freedom be damned! You print what we tell you to print, dammit! Would any bakery be hit with a lawsuit if they refused to put on a cake, "Abortion is murder?" Probably not.
 
2014-07-08 10:48:41 AM  

Heamer: I know literally nothing about owning a business, but it always strikes me as a poor business model to turn away people who are willing to give you money for your services. That certain people are so obsessed with attaching their beliefs to their business just seems self-destructive.


I opened a fireworks stand, but I only sold snakes and sparklers, because that's what I like.
 
2014-07-08 10:50:29 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: menschenfresser: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?

Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.

Sadly, I think you might be serious.  Hey?  Remember the old mantra, "We're Here, We're Queer, Get Over It'?   Well, most thinking people have.  The problem is, not everybody WILL, and you're never going to MAKE them.  So why not just go to a different bakery and stop whining about EVERYTHING?  It's a farkin' CAKE.  Or do you really want a cake that some ignorant a-hole is likely to urinate on, or ejaculate into, while he laughs himself silly in the kitchen?  I don't care one way or another to whom you're attracted, but gay people really need to choose their battles more wisely.


I respectfully disagree. Discrimination can't be tolerated. The cake or whatever other service was denied based on arbitrary nonsense "belief" is entirely beside the point; it could be disposed of once delivered since it would probably contain "undesirable matter" anyway. The principle of the matter - that is to say, that discrimination is not legal or acceptable in civilized society - is the point, not the cake. And that point rises far above just gay people or any other group - it benefits all of society when this sort of nonsense is removed from it.
 
2014-07-08 10:51:17 AM  

limboslam: Diogenes: "the case proves the need for the law to reasonably accommodate family-run businesses with firmly held beliefs".

Nice to see that England can still learn something from its petulant and rebellious children in America.  Too bad it's the wrong lesson.

Yeah! Freedom be damned! You print what we tell you to print, dammit! Would any bakery be hit with a lawsuit if they refused to put on a cake, "Abortion is murder?" Probably not.


Yeah! It's not like screaming about being oppressed is something that very many religious folks (especially Christians) do.

I agree with you suing them isn't really a battle worth fighting but lets not pretend that religious folks are morally superior on this front.
 
2014-07-08 10:51:20 AM  

MythDragon: Heamer: I know literally nothing about owning a business, but it always strikes me as a poor business model to turn away people who are willing to give you money for your services. That certain people are so obsessed with attaching their beliefs to their business just seems self-destructive.

I opened a fireworks stand, but I only sold snakes and sparklers, because that's what I like.


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-07-08 10:51:36 AM  
Every so often I have a dream weird enough to remember.  A number of years ago, I had one about Ernie having a sex change and becoming Ernestina because Sesame Street was concerned that Bert and Ernie would be seen as a gay couple instead of as roommates.  Waking up, I thought it was stupid reasoning and kinda funny.  Might be why that became one of the dreams I remember for years or decades.

I read the article expecting to see a religious bakery refusing to make a cake for a kids birthday because of that kind of reasoning.  Burt and Ernie are fictional characters on a kids show aimed at toddlers and preschoolers.  Because of that they are portrayed in a manner that has no sexual dimension whatsoever.  I was surprised to see someone actually trying to portray a pair of kids characters as a homosexual couple in order to protest to gain the right for homosexuals to marry in that area of the country.

In the article this seems to be a matter of courtesy and common sense.  If the organization knew that the bakery was owned by religious people, they should have found another bakery rather than offend the owners of the bakery that they tried to hire for a part of their protest.  If they didn't know, they should have apologized, or at least made a token apology, and gone to a different bakery.

I really don't see any reason to ban homosexual marriage, polygamous marriage, etc. as long as all parties have legal rights to consent to the marriage.  An underage kid can't consent so no underage marriage.  Critters can't consent, so no marriage to turtles or any other critters.  If you are legally able to choose to consent and don't want to be in a marriage with a same sex partner or more than one partner, don't consent to be in one and you won't be in one.

As for religion, if the Church of X Denomination doesn't agree with homosexual marriage as a group, they don't have to perform the wedding ceremony.  As long as the couple has the marriage license, the marriage is still legal and there are probably several other denominations that will perform the ceremony, if the couple doesn't just get married at the justice of the peace like a lot of heterosexual couples do.
 
2014-07-08 10:52:58 AM  

Elliot8654: GoldSpider: Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.

Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.

You wanna sue a coffee shop when they don't serve steak? Or a pet shop for not selling elephant rifles?


"Reasonable" has nothing to do with it if we're going to use cases like this to compel businesses to produce whatever goods a customer demands.
 
2014-07-08 10:53:22 AM  

Deedeemarz: Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?


Not everyone lives in New York City and has fairly easy access to a couple dozen bakers. My mom grew up in a town that currently has 3,500 residents. How many bakers do you think work there?
 
2014-07-08 10:53:28 AM  

debug: Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?

You don't know the story of Jesus asking everyone their sexual preference before he handed out the loaves and fishes?  The gays didn't get a loaf cause making baked goods for gay people promotes their sexual preferences, don't ya know.


But that's not the right analogy.  The baker doesn't ask people about their private concerns before serving them.  The customer in this case asked for a super-gay themed cake.  The right analogy would be is two gays in the loaves and fish line came up and said to Jesus we are going to sodomize each other with these loaves and fishes, can we have some please?
 
2014-07-08 10:54:31 AM  

MythDragon: Heamer: I know literally nothing about owning a business, but it always strikes me as a poor business model to turn away people who are willing to give you money for your services. That certain people are so obsessed with attaching their beliefs to their business just seems self-destructive.

I opened a fireworks stand, but I only sold snakes and sparklers, because that's what I like.


Because you weren't getting by on your tracking wages?

/it's not what you like, it's the consumer
 
2014-07-08 10:55:24 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.


Forcing someone to do something that is against their belief system is bad.   Even if their belief is wierd, stupid or just something you just don't like.  As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm not going to tell a baker he can't be stupid.  Nor am I going to tell gay guys they can't go have fun doing whatever they want to do.  The main point here is that Burt and Ernie are NOT gay. Two guys that sleep in the same room are room mates and anyone who turns them into that just make a political point should just go DIAF.   Quit screwing up my childhood!
 
2014-07-08 10:56:15 AM  

Deedeemarz: Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?

There was a cake lady in our area who wouldn't make us a Harry potter cake (and several dozen themed cupcakes) because she thought the witchcraft was against her christian beliefs. Our response was to tell her that's too bad because this was a huge order that would have made her known to lots of people on the kids bday party circuit. Then we found someone else and told all our guests that the first business doesn't do Harry potter. They all thought that was weird and nobody used her. A woman at work said the lady wouldn't do her daughter's quinceanera cake because she thought the black flowers were inappropriate!! She lost a lot of business from people who were willing to pay good money for custom cakes. She was only in business about two or three years and I imagine it was because she kept turning down jobs.
But nobody had to get the government involved!! No one claimed she discriminated against Hispanics or was oppressing wiccans or any if that horseshiat. You don't like someone's business practices then run them out of business.


Quit being sensible when we have a reason to be angry.

If Sterling was left in charge of the team this is a few things that would happen:
    1. People would quit going to the games
    2. Players would refuse to play for him
    3. Team would lose value
    4. Sponsorship's would be lost
    5. Other teams might even refuse to play against them further driving down the revenue.

Instead, he makes tons of money selling the team. Would it not have been better just to let him drive himself out of business?
 
2014-07-08 10:56:33 AM  

Deedeemarz: witchcraft was against her christian beliefs.


Jesus was a Brujo.
 
2014-07-08 10:56:46 AM  
Alternate Headline: Anti-gay bigot so obsessed with homosexuality that he sees it *everywhere*

Alternate Alternate Headline: Closeted homosexual acts like a bigot
 
2014-07-08 10:56:50 AM  

Gaylord Fister: "We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in."

So stores should be allowed to refuse service to black people?


The bakery didn't refuse service to them.   McDonald's might decline to make you a Quarter Pounder with
the patty cut into a shape of a pentagram.

Now, if you came in and had a pentagram necklace on and McDonald's simply refused to make you a Quarter Pounder, that would be different.
 
2014-07-08 10:56:54 AM  

bestsportnascar: fluffy2097: bestsportnascar: I wonder what would happen if a contractor refused to put in a bid to build a Chick-Fil-A because of their views. Would everyone be ok with that?

Well, if you don't bid for a job, you don't get picked to do it.

Do some custom cake companies put a price on the job? It could be argued that they didn't want to bid on the job of this cake.


That is another thing: why do they have to give a reason for not taking this job. "Hey baker, please make me a gay cake." "No thanks." If I call a business and they say they can't do whatever it is I need then I hang up and call another business. Pretty simple process. Never ask about their philosophical leanings or anything!
 
2014-07-08 10:57:41 AM  

MonoChango: Two guys that sleep in the same room are room mates and anyone who turns them into that just make a political point should just go DIAF.   Quit screwing up my childhood!


Oh, come one. They both get fisted for a living.
 
2014-07-08 10:58:15 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Alternate Headline: Anti-gay bigot so obsessed with homosexuality that he sees it *everywhere*

Alternate Alternate Headline: Closeted homosexual acts like a bigot


Look who didn't read the article.
 
2014-07-08 10:59:36 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.


Brilliant.

Next, we can drive a bakery owned by black people out of business if they decline to make a cake with white-power slogans on it. Then we'll find a bakery owned by Muslims and order a cake with an image of Muhammad on it, then use their reaction as an excuse to run them out of business. Top it off with a cake that says "The Holocaust Never Happened" from a bakery run by Jewish people, and call it a productive day.
 
2014-07-08 10:59:48 AM  

Heamer: I know literally nothing about owning a business, but it always strikes me as a poor business model to turn away people who are willing to give you money for your services. That certain people are so obsessed with attaching their beliefs to their business just seems self-destructive.


Much of what happens in the world only makes sense once you realize that religious people are stupid.
 
2014-07-08 10:59:59 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: Gaylord Fister: "We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in."

So stores should be allowed to refuse service to black people?

The bakery didn't refuse service to them.   McDonald's might decline to make you a Quarter Pounder with
the patty cut into a shape of a pentagram.

Now, if you came in and had a pentagram necklace on and McDonald's simply refused to make you a Quarter Pounder, that would be different.


Um, this bakery does this exact thing on a daily basis. If I ordered a cake with "praise jesus" on it, they would do it. If I ordered one with a bible on it and "1 corinthians", they would do it.

They aren't doing exactly what they advertise they do, because they don't like the subject matter.

Last time I checked, McDonald's doesn't cut any burgers into any shapes for anyone.
 
2014-07-08 11:01:12 AM  
Smile. Make the cake. Drop the cake during delivery. Give them a refund. Problem solved. They are, after all, pursuing you to make their cake as a calculated scene in political thuggery. Return the favor.

Or, they could go to a Muslim Bakery (NSFW) and demand a gay wedding cake covered in the symbols of Israel.

Yes. let's see the strength of their convictions. Go ahead. I dare you.
 
2014-07-08 11:01:13 AM  

bestsportnascar: Deedeemarz: Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?

There was a cake lady in our area who wouldn't make us a Harry potter cake (and several dozen themed cupcakes) because she thought the witchcraft was against her christian beliefs. Our response was to tell her that's too bad because this was a huge order that would have made her known to lots of people on the kids bday party circuit. Then we found someone else and told all our guests that the first business doesn't do Harry potter. They all thought that was weird and nobody used her. A woman at work said the lady wouldn't do her daughter's quinceanera cake because she thought the black flowers were inappropriate!! She lost a lot of business from people who were willing to pay good money for custom cakes. She was only in business about two or three years and I imagine it was because she kept turning down jobs.
But nobody had to get the government involved!! No one claimed she discriminated against Hispanics or was oppressing wiccans or any if that horseshiat. You don't like someone's business practices then run them out of business.

Quit being sensible when we have a reason to be angry.

If Sterling was left in charge of the team this is a few things that would happen:
    1. People would quit going to the games
    2. Players would refuse to play for him
    3. Team would lose value
    4. Sponsorship's would be lost
    5. Other teams might even refuse to play against them further driving down the revenue.

Instead, he makes tons of money selling the team. Would it not have been better just to let him drive himself out of business?


No it wouldn't because the Clippers aren't a business he owns, they are a franchise and all those things you listed are ultimately bad for the other 29 people who own franchises.
 
2014-07-08 11:01:15 AM  

MonoChango: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.

Forcing someone to do something that is against their belief system is bad.   Even if their belief is wierd, stupid or just something you just don't like.  As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm not going to tell a baker he can't be stupid.  Nor am I going to tell gay guys they can't go have fun doing whatever they want to do.  The main point here is that Burt and Ernie are NOT gay. Two guys that sleep in the same room are room mates and anyone who turns them into that just make a political point should just go DIAF.   Quit screwing up my childhood!


I run a deli. I think women who are on their periods are poisonous and risk ruining society. I want to force women to reveal their cooters to me or a designated representative and prove that they are not gushing blood out of their twat before I allow them to come inside. Do you support my position?
 
gja
2014-07-08 11:02:15 AM  

Egoy3k: walkerhound: I have two early thirty-something guys living a couple houses down from me.  One works in a nutrition store and looks like a beefcake.  Does anyone think they're gay like Bert and Ernie?

Why not just ask them?


Or you could, you know, mind your own damned business, nosey barker.
 
2014-07-08 11:02:25 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?


Most cake shops don't have "We are bigots" outside the door to warn you. But I am in the UK, maybe they do in the US. Once they announce they are bigots to their potential customers, then you sue them, ensuring the financial and publicity penalties for running a public business in a bigoted manner that society has agreed are applied to them. You don't tend to be suing them to force them to make the cake, you go make other arrangements.


The more minorities that pursue such actions, the less often it will happen as either the shops will lose money and go out of business leaving the better businesses with less competition, or some of owners of shops less committed to public bigotry will decide against the financial risk and just get on and do their jobs without trying to enforce their morality on their customers.


We (as a society) wouldn't accept not baking a cake because it had a mixed race couple on it nowadays, so why would we accept any other legally allowed relationship being celebrated. Would you accept a supermarket not serving blacks? Or a MacDonald server turning away Christians? Or a hotel refusing to accept bookings from Jews? If you open your business to the public, then you serve all the members of the public, you don't get to pick and choose. Worry about your own morality, which according to your own rulebook is probably intent on sending you to burn forever for being a hateful scumbag, and let other people make their own (legal) choices.
 
2014-07-08 11:02:28 AM  

Serious Black: Deedeemarz: Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?

Not everyone lives in New York City and has fairly easy access to a couple dozen bakers. My mom grew up in a town that currently has 3,500 residents. How many bakers do you think work there?


I dunno, never been to New York. Live in a small town in Texas. We never go to a bakery. In our little towns, word of mouth is how you discover who the newest cake lady is. They advertise on grocery store bulletin boards and stuff I think. Also, unless this town is completely isolated and unable to connect to the rest of the area by internet or phone, you can surely find a nearby baker. Or are they not allowed outside the village walls? Is it too much to drive 15 miles to get the custom cake you want? Damn sure there is at least a Walmart that could suffice....
 
2014-07-08 11:02:59 AM  
This is no different than slavery.
 
2014-07-08 11:03:12 AM  

bestsportnascar: Deedeemarz: Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?

There was a cake lady in our area who wouldn't make us a Harry potter cake (and several dozen themed cupcakes) because she thought the witchcraft was against her christian beliefs. Our response was to tell her that's too bad because this was a huge order that would have made her known to lots of people on the kids bday party circuit. Then we found someone else and told all our guests that the first business doesn't do Harry potter. They all thought that was weird and nobody used her. A woman at work said the lady wouldn't do her daughter's quinceanera cake because she thought the black flowers were inappropriate!! She lost a lot of business from people who were willing to pay good money for custom cakes. She was only in business about two or three years and I imagine it was because she kept turning down jobs.
But nobody had to get the government involved!! No one claimed she discriminated against Hispanics or was oppressing wiccans or any if that horseshiat. You don't like someone's business practices then run them out of business.

Quit being sensible when we have a reason to be angry.

If Sterling was left in charge of the team this is a few things that would happen:
    1. People would quit going to the games
    2. Players would refuse to play for him
    3. Team would lose value
    4. Sponsorship's would be lost
    5. Other teams might even refuse to play against them further driving down the revenue.

Instead, he makes tons of money selling the team. Would it not have been better just to let him drive himself out of business?


I agree!
 
2014-07-08 11:03:19 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?

You can love someone, but still not support their lifestyle.

Personally, I don't care. Marry your cat if you want.


Except that being gay is not a "lifestyle." It's who a person is. So, if you love someone, you have to love all of them, even if that means that you are accepting that a part of them is not what you hoped for.
 
2014-07-08 11:03:36 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: menschenfresser: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?

Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.

Sadly, I think you might be serious.  Hey?  Remember the old mantra, "We're Here, We're Queer, Get Over It'?   Well, most thinking people have.  The problem is, not everybody WILL, and you're never going to MAKE them.  So why not just go to a different bakery and stop whining about EVERYTHING?  It's a farkin' CAKE.  Or do you really want a cake that some ignorant a-hole is likely to urinate on, or ejaculate into, while he laughs himself silly in the kitchen? I don't care one way or another to whom you're attracted, but gay people really need to choose their battles more wisely.


Those religious people. Such upstanding, tolerant, and moral individuals.
 
2014-07-08 11:04:05 AM  

HoustonNick: We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in


www.thesaudavoice.com

GO
nysiaf.org

fark

www.ohs.org

YOURSELF
 
2014-07-08 11:04:28 AM  
How about you not sell Bert & Ernie cakes because the Bert & Ernie characters aren't owned by you and you can't make & sell products with their images on them without permission from Sesame Workshop, you bigoted retards.
 
2014-07-08 11:04:39 AM  
Wanted to post pictures of the Penis Cake and the Vag Cake, some for relatively straight weddings or bachelor/ette parties -- wasn't sure no Farkers worked in a bakery.

Bakeries already have lots of sexual stuff going on -- ever kneaded dough or used an icing tube? The owner just doesn't want it to get out of hand with more sexual avenues with his already over-sexed employees with the introduction of children's show characters.

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-08 11:07:00 AM  

GoldSpider: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Alternate Headline: Anti-gay bigot so obsessed with homosexuality that he sees it *everywhere*

Alternate Alternate Headline: Closeted homosexual acts like a bigot

Look who didn't read the article.


Guilty as charged

** reads article ***

Yeah, that makes a chowder out of my first headline. The second one stands
 
2014-07-08 11:07:21 AM  
Oh, so what.  Laugh at them and take your business to a different bakery.
They are only hurting themselves.

I mean, I would seriously laugh out loud at them and happily announce that they can go fark themselves!  Idiots.
 
2014-07-08 11:07:33 AM  

xria: We (as a society) wouldn't accept not baking a cake because it had a mixed race couple on it nowadays, so why would we accept any other legally allowed relationship being celebrated. Would you accept a supermarket not serving blacks? Or a MacDonald server turning away Christians? Or a hotel refusing to accept bookings from Jews? If you open your business to the public, then you serve all the members of the public, you don't get to pick and choose. Worry about your own morality, which according to your own rulebook is probably intent on sending you to burn forever for being a hateful scumbag, and let other people make their own (legal) choices.


But what if I refuse service to someone because they had refused service to someone.
 
2014-07-08 11:08:23 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why do they have to drag Bert & Ernie in to this?


To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?


Seriously, this has always bugged the hell out of me.

What kind of pervert looks at 2 puppets portraying 2 guys who live in the same house and imagines a whole sexual relationship between them?
 
2014-07-08 11:08:33 AM  

limboslam: Diogenes: "the case proves the need for the law to reasonably accommodate family-run businesses with firmly held beliefs".

Nice to see that England can still learn something from its petulant and rebellious children in America.  Too bad it's the wrong lesson.

Yeah! Freedom be damned! You print what we tell you to print, dammit! Would any bakery be hit with a lawsuit if they refused to put on a cake, "Abortion is murder?" Probably not.


You (and several others) appear to be missing the difference between what someone DOES and what someone IS.

An opinion is malleable, it is changeable - yesterday I was pro-life, today I am pro-choice - and more or less does not fundamentally change a person. Carrying a gun on your person is a changeable state - you can quite easily change that state.

You cannot leave your race at the door. You cannot leave your sexual orientation at the door (you can leave your lover and be celibate, but the junk wants what it wants). You cannot leave your presented gender at the door (you can change clothes and shave, but some dudes simply look like chicks and some chicks simply look like dudes. You can't change or explain that).

Generally, in America you can discriminate against someone for what they say or do - being a pro-life activist, open-carrying your arsenal of handguns, your noisy neighbor - but you cannot discriminate against someone for who they are - being black; and in some places, you can't discriminate against someone even if you think they're gay.

// you can leave your religion at the door, too
// it's easy if you try
 
2014-07-08 11:08:47 AM  

vudukungfu: MonoChango: Two guys that sleep in the same room are room mates and anyone who turns them into that just make a political point should just go DIAF.   Quit screwing up my childhood!

Oh, come one. They both get fisted for a living.


You evil sonofabiatch. now I'll have that image in my head all day.  thanks  :-)
 
2014-07-08 11:09:02 AM  
So, who'd jump out of the cake?
fc05.deviantart.net
 
2014-07-08 11:09:54 AM  
1. I really don't see Bert & Ernie as gay. They're more like classic comedy teams such as Abbot & Costello or Martin & Lewis, or whoever Bing Crosby & Bob Hope were playing in the various "Road to..." movies. Buddies. Pals. Roomies out of necessity, not out of some deep abiding love for one another. They have a symbiotic relationship. One guy is kinda grumpy and needs the friendly charm of the other in order to get along in society, while the other is kinda naive and needs the stalwart pessimism of the other to protect him from ne'er-do-wells. But gay? No. I just don't see it in those two.

Now Statler & Waldorf? Those guys are totally a couple.

2. While I think it's bigoted and awful that people refuse service because of their religious beliefs, I also think it's insane to take your business to someone who wants to be a total dick about their religious beliefs. I don't shop at Hobby Lobby if I can help it. I don't give money to Chic Fil'A, and I don't go to bakeries or restaurants that are operated by bigots. I suggest other people do the same. Eventually, if they stop seeing as many customers they lose money and go out of business. It may take years, but in the end it's worth it to watch them crash & burn because they have God's finger up their ass.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:16 AM  

GoldSpider: Elliot8654: GoldSpider: Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.

Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.

You wanna sue a coffee shop when they don't serve steak? Or a pet shop for not selling elephant rifles?

"Reasonable" has nothing to do with it if we're going to use cases like this to compel businesses to produce whatever goods a customer demands.


THEY'RE ASKING A BAKERY THAT MAKES CAKES TO MAKE A CAKE. THIS BUSINESS ALREADY PRODUCES THESE THINGS. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO PRODUCE THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGOTS.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:45 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Yeah, that makes a chowder out of my first headline. The second one stands


In fairness, subby's headline was misleading/deceptive.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:50 AM  
If I were a baker I would refuse to make the cake on the grounds that Children's Television Workshop might sue me.  You can have your Support Gay Marriage Cake, I'd draw the line at using Trademarked characters on it.
 
2014-07-08 11:11:18 AM  

Deedeemarz: Serious Black: Deedeemarz: Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?

Not everyone lives in New York City and has fairly easy access to a couple dozen bakers. My mom grew up in a town that currently has 3,500 residents. How many bakers do you think work there?

I dunno, never been to New York. Live in a small town in Texas. We never go to a bakery. In our little towns, word of mouth is how you discover who the newest cake lady is. They advertise on grocery store bulletin boards and stuff I think. Also, unless this town is completely isolated and unable to connect to the rest of the area by internet or phone, you can surely find a nearby baker. Or are they not allowed outside the village walls? Is it too much to drive 15 miles to get the custom cake you want? Damn sure there is at least a Walmart that could suffice....


Last time I was there (which admittedly was about ten years ago), I don't recall there being a Wal-Mart in town. A quick Google search says the nearest Wal-Mart to this town is an hour away.

As to your other question about going to another town, there are three towns within half an hour drive of the original place in question. Their populations are 2,300, 1,700, and 250, i.e. much smaller and less likely to have a baker who is willing to bake a cake for a same-sex couple's wedding.
 
2014-07-08 11:11:31 AM  
Elliot8654:  

Last time I checked, McDonald's doesn't cut any burgers into any shapes for anyone.

They cut them into round shapes.
 
2014-07-08 11:12:14 AM  

Timid Goddess: Every so often I have a dream weird enough to remember.  A number of years ago, I had one about Ernie having a sex change and becoming Ernestina because Sesame Street was concerned that Bert and Ernie would be seen as a gay couple instead of as roommates.  Waking up, I thought it was stupid reasoning and kinda funny.  Might be why that became one of the dreams I remember for years or decades.

I read the article expecting to see a religious bakery refusing to make a cake for a kids birthday because of that kind of reasoning.  Burt and Ernie are fictional characters on a kids show aimed at toddlers and preschoolers.  Because of that they are portrayed in a manner that has no sexual dimension whatsoever.  I was surprised to see someone actually trying to portray a pair of kids characters as a homosexual couple in order to protest to gain the right for homosexuals to marry in that area of the country.

In the article this seems to be a matter of courtesy and common sense.  If the organization knew that the bakery was owned by religious people, they should have found another bakery rather than offend the owners of the bakery that they tried to hire for a part of their protest.  If they didn't know, they should have apologized, or at least made a token apology, and gone to a different bakery.

I really don't see any reason to ban homosexual marriage, polygamous marriage, etc. as long as all parties have legal rights to consent to the marriage.  An underage kid can't consent so no underage marriage.  Critters can't consent, so no marriage to turtles or any other critters.  If you are legally able to choose to consent and don't want to be in a marriage with a same sex partner or more than one partner, don't consent to be in one and you won't be in one.

As for religion, if the Church of X Denomination doesn't agree with homosexual marriage as a group, they don't have to perform the wedding ceremony.  As long as the couple has the marriage license, the marriage is still leg ...


The people being discriminated against should have made an apology? My god, this is the stupidest one yet.
 
2014-07-08 11:12:17 AM  
Religious Bakery?

Exodus 29:2  And from fine wheat flour, without yeast, make bread, and cakes mixed with oil, and wafers spread with oil.

Hypocrites
 
2014-07-08 11:13:10 AM  

Selena Luna: THEY'RE ASKING A BAKERY THAT MAKES CAKES TO MAKE A CAKE. THIS BUSINESS ALREADY PRODUCES THESE THINGS. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO PRODUCE THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGOTS.


I know why they don't want to produce this particular product.  I just don't think it's a compelling reason to force them to do so.
 
2014-07-08 11:13:11 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Smile. Make the cake. Drop the cake during delivery. Give them a refund. Problem solved. They are, after all, pursuing you to make their cake as a calculated scene in political thuggery. Return the favor.

Or, they could go to a Muslim Bakery (NSFW) and demand a gay wedding cake covered in the symbols of Israel.

Yes. let's see the strength of their convictions. Go ahead. I dare you.


To be fair, I can't imagine anyone in the western world wanting to eat a cake made by hardcore Muslims no matter what decorations are on top. When I think "Muslim" I don't think "yummy, sweet confections and pastries" -- I think "cous cous, olives, and hummus".
 
2014-07-08 11:13:22 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Damn it.  I wish I could edit post post.  Sure I could proof read before I post, but that would make more sense.

/that=to (obviously)


You knew the rules coming in here. Weasel or not, it's best to just let the mistooks go.
 
2014-07-08 11:14:16 AM  
reubz.squarespace.com

Bert supports the terrist and wishes global Jihad on the worthless American dogs. Cake is the food that the false prophets use to coerce the masses to the devil's lair. Devil's food. Almost a pun there.
 
2014-07-08 11:15:25 AM  
Meh. A company shouldn't have to be forced to make a product it does not want to make
 
2014-07-08 11:16:11 AM  

Tom_Slick: If I were a baker I would refuse to make the cake on the grounds that Children's Television Workshop might sue me.  You can have your Support Gay Marriage Cake, I'd draw the line at using Trademarked characters on it.


Bingo.

Also, I don't understand how people can consider this "discrimination", other than a poor understanding of the word.  As far as I could tell from the article, the bakery did not know whether the customer was gay or straight.
 
2014-07-08 11:16:14 AM  
I think Sesame Street has made it clear you're a sick farker if you feel the need to assign any sexual orientation to a children's puppet.  They own it they made it clear they want nothing to do with the debate either way so no I wouldn't make your cake. How about a Luke and Han cake?
 
2014-07-08 11:16:24 AM  
I always thought Bert was an adult, and Ernie a child.  Based on that, I'd refuse to make a peda-cake.
 
2014-07-08 11:16:34 AM  

Selena Luna: GoldSpider: Elliot8654: GoldSpider: Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.

Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.

You wanna sue a coffee shop when they don't serve steak? Or a pet shop for not selling elephant rifles?

"Reasonable" has nothing to do with it if we're going to use cases like this to compel businesses to produce whatever goods a customer demands.

THEY'RE ASKING A BAKERY THAT MAKES CAKES TO MAKE A CAKE. THIS BUSINESS ALREADY PRODUCES THESE THINGS. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO PRODUCE THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGOTS.


Well, since you shouted, that must make it true.
 
2014-07-08 11:16:46 AM  
I wish gays would go back in the closet. I'm sick of hearing about them.
 
2014-07-08 11:17:51 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Smile. Make the cake. Drop the cake during delivery. Give them a refund. Problem solved. They are, after all, pursuing you to make their cake as a calculated scene in political thuggery. Return the favor.

Or, they could go to a Muslim Bakery (NSFW) and demand a gay wedding cake covered in the symbols of Israel.

Yes. let's see the strength of their convictions. Go ahead. I dare you.


I know a Jewish dude that has a screenprinting shop. One of his regular accounts was the local branch of HammerSkins. Straight up red shirts with a round white spot on the left chest and a black swastika in it, and the same but larger on the back. They paid their bill on time, they weren't totally unpleasant customers to deal with, and they kept coming back for several years. They knew he was Jewish, and he knew damn well what he was printing. They still did business.

Shrug.
 
2014-07-08 11:18:54 AM  
Hate-mongers strike again.
 
2014-07-08 11:19:38 AM  

Prince George: How about a Luke and Han cake?


Luke and Leia cake for incest is best week.

/I feel dirty and a little turned on.
 
2014-07-08 11:19:39 AM  

Serious Black: Deedeemarz: Serious Black: Deedeemarz: Why is this such a big deal? Can't they just find another baker?

Not everyone lives in New York City and has fairly easy access to a couple dozen bakers. My mom grew up in a town that currently has 3,500 residents. How many bakers do you think work there?

I dunno, never been to New York. Live in a small town in Texas. We never go to a bakery. In our little towns, word of mouth is how you discover who the newest cake lady is. They advertise on grocery store bulletin boards and stuff I think. Also, unless this town is completely isolated and unable to connect to the rest of the area by internet or phone, you can surely find a nearby baker. Or are they not allowed outside the village walls? Is it too much to drive 15 miles to get the custom cake you want? Damn sure there is at least a Walmart that could suffice....

Last time I was there (which admittedly was about ten years ago), I don't recall there being a Wal-Mart in town. A quick Google search says the nearest Wal-Mart to this town is an hour away.

As to your other question about going to another town, there are three towns within half an hour drive of the original place in question. Their populations are 2,300, 1,700, and 250, i.e. much smaller and less likely to have a baker who is willing to bake a cake for a same-sex couple's wedding.


Then I suggest they make it themselves, have one delivered, or move. If you choose to live in an area where your options are that limited then I suppose you better learn to make do with what's available. Still not a reason to impose upon a local business person who isn't interested in having your business whatever the reason. If enough other people think the baker is wrong, then his business will suffer.
 
2014-07-08 11:20:15 AM  

Mad Scientist: Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?


This.
 
jlt
2014-07-08 11:21:31 AM  

soporific: maxx2112: Queers can't get a cake.   Nazis can't get a cake.  Therefore, queers are Nazis . . . or something.

Now I really want to see a child named Judas Iscariot. (And it works for a boy or a girl.) Or perhaps Bennedict Arnold.

/because I apparently hate children today
//at least we're not naming a boy Sue
///let's name a boy Sue


I had a cat named Judas Iscariot.
 
2014-07-08 11:21:56 AM  

Elliot8654: Nutsac_Jim: Gaylord Fister: "We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in."

So stores should be allowed to refuse service to black people?

The bakery didn't refuse service to them.   McDonald's might decline to make you a Quarter Pounder with
the patty cut into a shape of a pentagram.

Now, if you came in and had a pentagram necklace on and McDonald's simply refused to make you a Quarter Pounder, that would be different.

Um, this bakery does this exact thing on a daily basis. If I ordered a cake with "praise jesus" on it, they would do it. If I ordered one with a bible on it and "1 corinthians", they would do it.

They aren't doing exactly what they advertise they do, because they don't like the subject matter.

Last time I checked, McDonald's doesn't cut any burgers into any shapes for anyone.


Again.  This is OK.

They are not refusing to bake you a cake because you are gay/black/woman.  This would not be acceptable.

You are more than welcome to order a "praise jesus" cake from then, even if you are a black lesbian.

I can have my lawn mowed.  I can tell my landscaper to make the mower setting really short and spell out "wetbacks are the devil's children" on my lawn.

He can certainly refuse to do this, even though he cuts grass, right ?

If he doesn't, he is just a racist, right?
 
2014-07-08 11:22:10 AM  
Strictly from a legal angle I wonder how this will turn out. They could argue that they wouldn't sell that particular cake to anyone regardless of sexual orientation.
 
2014-07-08 11:22:49 AM  

genner: Strictly from a legal angle I wonder how this will turn out. They could argue that they wouldn't sell that particular cake to anyone regardless of sexual orientation.


That too.
 
2014-07-08 11:23:06 AM  

MonoChango: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.

Forcing someone to do something that is against their belief system is bad.   Even if their belief is wierd, stupid or just something you just don't like.  As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm not going to tell a baker he can't be stupid.  Nor am I going to tell gay guys they can't go have fun doing whatever they want to do.  The main point here is that Burt and Ernie are NOT gay. Two guys that sleep in the same room are room mates and anyone who turns them into that just make a political point should just go DIAF.   Quit screwing up my childhood!



I don't believe the same thing you believe.  Who gets to be the "right"  belief?  That's just a silly argument.  Either you are a business open to the public, and you provide services to the public, ALL the public, regardless if you agree with what they believe or not.  I personally think that women over a certain weight (I'm female, btw) should not be allowed to buy yoga pants for whatever reason.  However, if I were a store owner that sold yoga pants, and I got lots of business from fatties, I damn sure would stay stocked up on fatty yoga pants.

If you are a business owner and you think the money gays/blacks/women/fatties/little people spend is any different than the money old fat white men spend, you're an idiot.

Now the whole WTF with involving Bert and Ernie?  I totally agree with you on that.
 
2014-07-08 11:23:52 AM  

Deedeemarz: Then I suggest they make it themselves, have one delivered, or move. If you choose to live in an area where your options are that limited then I suppose you better learn to make do with what's available. Still not a reason to impose upon a local business person who isn't interested in having your business whatever the reason. If enough other people think the baker is wrong, then his business will suffer.


I'll let The Cap speak on this suggestion

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2014-07-08 11:25:29 AM  

Tom_Slick: If I were a baker I would refuse to make the cake on the grounds that Children's Television Workshop might sue me.  You can have your Support Gay Marriage Cake, I'd draw the line at using Trademarked characters on it.


I see Sesame Street and Disney cakes at my local grocery store all the time.
 
2014-07-08 11:25:48 AM  
Hello, nice Bakery Proprietor.  I wish to purchase a cake. That one will be fine.  White icing and a nice, vanilla cake.  Perfect.  I would also like to purchase two of those wedding people.  They are  lovely couples.  Yes, two sets.  Two grooms, two brides.  Here is my money.  Thank you and it's been a pleasure.  I'll be telling all my friends that you sold me a ghey wedding cake and you will probably be condemmed to heck for it.

(Devilish laughter as I leave) (Maybe have a forked red tail hanging out of my pants that they see as I leave)

Bonus:  I get a cake and I can launch the grooms on the 8:20 Roman Candle Express.  The little brides stay with me - forever.
 
2014-07-08 11:25:52 AM  

Son of Thunder: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.

Brilliant.

Next, we can drive a bakery owned by black people out of business if they decline to make a cake with white-power slogans on it. Then we'll find a bakery owned by Muslims and order a cake with an image of Muhammad on it, then use their reaction as an excuse to run them out of business. Top it off with a cake that says "The Holocaust Never Happened" from a bakery run by Jewish people, and call it a productive day.


sure, and we can put the signs back up forbidding black people at lunch counters, prohibit jews from shopping in muslim owned stores, whatever.

I see you still are the same pants on head reactionary you always are.  Nice to see consistency.
 
2014-07-08 11:26:10 AM  

Serious Black: MonoChango: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.

Forcing someone to do something that is against their belief system is bad.   Even if their belief is wierd, stupid or just something you just don't like.  As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm not going to tell a baker he can't be stupid.  Nor am I going to tell gay guys they can't go have fun doing whatever they want to do.  The main point here is that Burt and Ernie are NOT gay. Two guys that sleep in the same room are room mates and anyone who turns them into that just make a political point should just go DIAF.   Quit screwing up my childhood!

I run a deli. I think women who are on their periods are poisonous and risk ruining society. I want to force women to reveal their cooters to me or a designated representative and prove that they are not gushing blood out of their twat before I allow them to come inside. Do you support my position?

"As long as it doesn't hurt anyone,

 "  Sexual assult would not qualify.  But if some ultra conservitive Islamic wanted to kick all the woman out of his coffee house. I have no problem with him doing so.  I would just not give him my money.  There is a big difference between some butt head that will not serve "X" minority and a LAW that says "X" type of people does not have the same freedom other citizens have.   If someone doesn't want to serve my brown wife and my mutt kids, fine we go somewhere else, and laugh the whole way out the door.  That is freedom.  It sucks that aholes exist but thankfully they don't generally last long in modern American culture.  I think what people are trying to tell the gay community is that: Most people support your right to do what you want, but when you start using laws to force the issue, then You become the A-hole.  And that is uncool.
 
2014-07-08 11:26:30 AM  
That ain't Bubble Bath.

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Seems like Ernie is a power top.

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thejailbreak.com
 
2014-07-08 11:27:37 AM  

Colour_out_of_Space: Religious Bakery?

Exodus 29:2  And from fine wheat flour, without yeast, make bread, and cakes mixed with oil, and wafers spread with oil.

Hypocrites


Well that was taken totally out of context, and has nothing to do with this discussion.

Consecration of the Priests

29 "Now this is what you shall do to them to consecrate them, that they may serve me as priests. Take one bull of the herd and two rams without blemish, 2and unleavened bread, unleavened cakes mixed with oil, and unleavened wafers smeared with oil. You shall make them of fine wheat flour. 3You shall put them in one basket and bring them in the basket, and bring the bull and the two rams. 4You shall bring Aaron and his sons to the entrance of the tent of meeting and wash them with water. 5Then you shall take the garments, and put on Aaron the coat and the robe of the ephod, and the ephod, and the breastpiece, and gird him with the skillfully woven band of the ephod. 6And you shall set the turban on his head and put the holy crown on the turban. 7You shall take the anointing oil and pour it on his head and anoint him. 8Then you shall bring his sons and put coats on them, 9and you shall gird Aaron and his sons with sashes and bind caps on them. And the priesthood shall be theirs by a statute forever. Thus you shall ordain Aaron and his sons.
 
2014-07-08 11:27:50 AM  
I support gay marriage, but I also support the bakery here.  If they don't want to decorate the cake with something they disagree with, I have no problems with that.  Sell the Bert/Ernie cake without the slogan and let the customers write the message.  Now if they refuse to sell the Bert/Ernie cake based on sexual orientation, that's an actual problem.
 
2014-07-08 11:28:05 AM  

fiddlehead: Tom_Slick: If I were a baker I would refuse to make the cake on the grounds that Children's Television Workshop might sue me.  You can have your Support Gay Marriage Cake, I'd draw the line at using Trademarked characters on it.

I see Sesame Street and Disney cakes at my local grocery store all the time.


They pay licensing fees.
 
2014-07-08 11:28:41 AM  

jlt: soporific: maxx2112: Queers can't get a cake.   Nazis can't get a cake.  Therefore, queers are Nazis . . . or something.

Now I really want to see a child named Judas Iscariot. (And it works for a boy or a girl.) Or perhaps Bennedict Arnold.

/because I apparently hate children today
//at least we're not naming a boy Sue
///let's name a boy Sue

I had a cat named Judas Iscariot.


Sir Gerald Nabardo has a pet prawn called Simon. Furthermore, Dawn Pailthorpe, the lady show-jumper, had a clam called Stafford, after the late Chancellor; Allan Bullock has two pikes, both called Chris; and Marcel Proust had an haddock.
www.cardinalfang.net
 
2014-07-08 11:28:48 AM  
Didn't Seasame Street Workshop say NO to the LGBTQ petitioners who wanted a wedding between Bert and Ernie?  Reason being that they are puppets who do not have a sexual orientation or identity.
 
2014-07-08 11:29:25 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Deedeemarz: Then I suggest they make it themselves, have one delivered, or move. If you choose to live in an area where your options are that limited then I suppose you better learn to make do with what's available. Still not a reason to impose upon a local business person who isn't interested in having your business whatever the reason. If enough other people think the baker is wrong, then his business will suffer.

I'll let The Cap speak on this suggestion


Well, that makes perfect sense if you have the time and money and energy to waste rather than just driving an hour to walmart to buy a cake from people who couldn't care what you want on it. Don't forget to make a sign and plant yourself outside the shop too.
 
2014-07-08 11:30:39 AM  

Cheesus: If they don't want to decorate the cake with something they disagree with, I have no problems with that.


In the US it would be a clear Free Speech issue.
 
2014-07-08 11:31:02 AM  
"Why, hello there Mr. Atheist baker. Could I have a cake for my son's first communion?"
 
2014-07-08 11:31:07 AM  

Son of Thunder: Selena Luna: GoldSpider: Elliot8654: GoldSpider: Elliot8654: Is that a product they carry? No. Then you are an idiot.

Maybe you can insist that they carry pork and shellfish products, and then sue when they refuse.

You wanna sue a coffee shop when they don't serve steak? Or a pet shop for not selling elephant rifles?

"Reasonable" has nothing to do with it if we're going to use cases like this to compel businesses to produce whatever goods a customer demands.

THEY'RE ASKING A BAKERY THAT MAKES CAKES TO MAKE A CAKE. THIS BUSINESS ALREADY PRODUCES THESE THINGS. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO PRODUCE THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGOTS.

Well, since you shouted, that must make it true.


Shouting doesn't make it wrong either.
 
2014-07-08 11:31:46 AM  

menschenfresser: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: BFletch651: Oh, good lord.  If some asshole doesn't  want the job, just get someone else.  You don't have to argue with everyone about everything.

^^^^^^^^
So much this.

And who the hell would WANT a cake baked by somebody who didn't want to bake it?

Those black boys in Nashville should have just gone to a different lunch counter where people didn't hate them.


oh goodie, this thread to update the ignore list.

all these butthurt 'waaah waah i want someone to bake me a cake who doesnt like me' apologists comparing this to the slavery movement.. ROFL.. wow....
 
2014-07-08 11:32:26 AM  

Elliot8654: Shouting doesn't make it wrong either.


Though I recently learned here that being offended does in fact mean that you're right.
 
2014-07-08 11:32:31 AM  

Elliot8654: They aren't doing exactly what they advertise they do, because they don't like the subject matter.


They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.
 
2014-07-08 11:33:01 AM  

Chongo79: "Why, hello there Mr. Atheist baker. Could I have a cake for my son's first communion?"


Doesn't change my answer. The baker still doesn't have an obligation to make a religious themed cake.
 
2014-07-08 11:33:02 AM  

xtech: all these butthurt 'waaah waah i want someone to bake me a cake who doesnt like me' apologists comparing this to the slavery movement.. ROFL.. wow....


And people who don't know what the word "discrimination" means.
 
2014-07-08 11:33:28 AM  
Can you people stop with the injecting of your own personal beliefs into your public life? You can go right ahead and hate the gays and stay closeted in your own time, but if you are in business to serve the public, you can bite your tongue for the couple of hours it takes to make and ice a nice cake for the nice paying customers.
 
2014-07-08 11:34:04 AM  

Deedeemarz: scottydoesntknow: Deedeemarz: Then I suggest they make it themselves, have one delivered, or move. If you choose to live in an area where your options are that limited then I suppose you better learn to make do with what's available. Still not a reason to impose upon a local business person who isn't interested in having your business whatever the reason. If enough other people think the baker is wrong, then his business will suffer.

I'll let The Cap speak on this suggestion

Well, that makes perfect sense if you have the time and money and energy to waste rather than just driving an hour to walmart to buy a cake from people who couldn't care what you want on it. Don't forget to make a sign and plant yourself outside the shop too.


Why should the people who did nothing wrong move? The bakery should move to a place that loves discriminating against gays. I hear Uganda is severely lacking in custom-made cake shops. And Russia.
 
2014-07-08 11:34:10 AM  

MonoChango: Serious Black: MonoChango: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Here's a thought....if you have such issues with other peoples' lives PERHAPS YOU SHOULDN'T OPEN A BUSINESS THAT IS PUBLIC.

STFU bakers, and close your damn doors then.

Forcing someone to do something that is against their belief system is bad. Even if their belief is wierd, stupid or just something you just don't like. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm not going to tell a baker he can't be stupid. Nor am I going to tell gay guys they can't go have fun doing whatever they want to do. The main point here is that Burt and Ernie are NOT gay. Two guys that sleep in the same room are room mates and anyone who turns them into that just make a political point should just go DIAF. Quit screwing up my childhood!

I run a deli. I think women who are on their periods are poisonous and risk ruining society. I want to force women to reveal their cooters to me or a designated representative and prove that they are not gushing blood out of their twat before I allow them to come inside. Do you support my position?

"As long as it doesn't hurt anyone,
" Sexual assult would not qualify


I didn't say I or my designated representative would have to shove something inside their vagina to get the necessary proof. Women just have to reveal their crotches and provide visual evidence that they aren't bleeding profusely. That doesn't count as sexual assault because there is no physical contact. What's the harm in just looking?
 
2014-07-08 11:34:41 AM  

Magorn: how hard would it have been for the bakery to simply mumble something about copyright laws and refuse to make the cake on those grounds instead? Dumbasses


Indeed; given that appropriating copyrighted characters without a license would leave them open to to a copyright violation lawsuit, it'd be a perfectly legitimate excuse.

/ baking the requested cake can get you sued, and not baking it can also get you sued
// glad I'm not a baker
 
2014-07-08 11:35:24 AM  

ReverendJasen: They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.


You aren't missing anything.  This is a point that many in this thread are simply refusing to acknowledge because it castrates most of their argument.
 
2014-07-08 11:35:24 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


He didn't. The people with these beliefs aren't following the Jesus of the Bible, they're following the Jesus who conforms to their prejudices. That's the only reason why they'd even bother following him.
 
2014-07-08 11:35:25 AM  

Chongo79: "Why, hello there Mr. Atheist baker. Could I have a cake for my son's first communion?"


As long as you can get the priest to supply the filling.
 
2014-07-08 11:36:10 AM  

Cheesus: If they don't want to decorate the cake with something they disagree with, I have no problems with that.


There was something in the cake that disagreed with them.
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2014-07-08 11:36:34 AM  

GoldSpider: Cheesus: If they don't want to decorate the cake with something they disagree with, I have no problems with that.

In the US it would be a clear Free Speech issue.


This. In that it's clear that freedom of speech isn't being infringed at all. In the same way, it's a clear income tax issue, a clear Miranda warning issue, a clear voting rights issue, etc.
 
2014-07-08 11:36:36 AM  

ReverendJasen: Elliot8654: They aren't doing exactly what they advertise they do, because they don't like the subject matter.

They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.


So if I order a cake that says "Dave and Rebecca forever" I am good, but if it says "bill and Jims love will never die" or maybe "to the love of Amanda and sharon"?

Ooh! I wanna order a cake labeled "Alex and Sam's wedding:2014". See if they can tell if it is for a day mens, lesbians, or straight couples cake!
 
2014-07-08 11:36:44 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Can you people stop with the injecting of your own personal beliefs into your public life? You can go right ahead and hate the gays and stay closeted in your own time, but if you are in business to serve the public, you can bite your tongue for the couple of hours it takes to make and ice a nice cake for the nice paying customers.


No, because freedom of speech (I realize this is in the UK and isn't a 1st amendment issue, but still applies)
 
2014-07-08 11:36:55 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Can you people stop with the injecting of your own personal beliefs into your public life?


Oh the irony.
 
2014-07-08 11:37:31 AM  
I wonder where all of the Catholic bakers are that refuse to make cakes for second weddings.
 
2014-07-08 11:37:37 AM  

HoustonNick: I don't have to support your gay or straight marriage, but I have the right to choose what I do and do not support.


Your rights end where your "Open for business" sign begins. Just suck it up and make the cake, Nancy. You're only making yourself look bad otherwise.
 
2014-07-08 11:38:37 AM  

Theaetetus: This. In that it's clear that freedom of speech isn't being infringed at all.


I don't think the government here in the U.S. can compel you to endorse a particular viewpoint that you disagree with, but I could be mistaken.
 
2014-07-08 11:38:44 AM  
Except that being gay is not a "lifestyle." It's who a person is. So, if you love someone, you have to love all of them, even if that means that you are accepting that a part of them is not what you hoped for.


Oh, is that the rule?
 
2014-07-08 11:38:48 AM  

Elliot8654: ReverendJasen: Elliot8654: They aren't doing exactly what they advertise they do, because they don't like the subject matter.

They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.

So if I order a cake that says "Dave and Rebecca forever" I am good, but if it says "bill and Jims love will never die" or maybe "to the love of Amanda and sharon"?

Ooh! I wanna order a cake labeled "Alex and Sam's wedding:2014". See if they can tell if it is for a day mens, lesbians, or straight couples cake!


It's at the baker's discretion. Why should they be obligated to provide you a service/product that they do not wish to provide? Furthermore, why not just go to another bakery?
 
2014-07-08 11:39:27 AM  
Couldnt they have just gotten a Cher cake?

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2014-07-08 11:39:31 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Your rights end where your "Open for business" sign begins.


wut?
 
2014-07-08 11:40:14 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: I wonder where all of the Catholic bakers are that refuse to make cakes for second weddings.


Why would a baker even know that if it's someone's second wedding?
 
2014-07-08 11:40:15 AM  

GoldSpider: ReverendJasen: They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.

You aren't missing anything.  This is a point that many in this thread are simply refusing to acknowledge because it castrates most of their argument.


Sure, if that was actually their reasoning.

BUT it wasn't. Their reasoning was they won't bake a cake for a gay couple. If the Bert/Ernie picture had nothing to do with it and the cake instead said "Bill and Bob Forever" do you think the company would've baked it? Of course not.
 
2014-07-08 11:40:21 AM  
Greenstein's still refuses to bake a pork and oyster cake for me.
 
2014-07-08 11:40:26 AM  

GoldSpider: Theaetetus: This. In that it's clear that freedom of speech isn't being infringed at all.

I don't think the government here in the U.S. can compel you to endorse a particular viewpoint that you disagree with, but I could be mistaken.


I don't think that providing a commercial service that you provide to the general public is "endorsing a particular viewpoint that you disagree with," and I know I'm not mistaken.
 
2014-07-08 11:40:26 AM  

Elliot8654: Ooh! I wanna order a cake labeled "Alex and Sam's wedding:2014". See if they can tell if it is for a day mens, lesbians, or straight couples cake!


Pat & Pat

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2014-07-08 11:41:12 AM  

GoldSpider: Theaetetus: This. In that it's clear that freedom of speech isn't being infringed at all.

I don't think the government here in the U.S. can compel you to endorse a particular viewpoint that you disagree with, but I could be mistaken.


If I make a cake that says "Death to the Jews" for a group of Neo-Nazis, does that mean I endorse committing a mass genocide against Jews?
 
2014-07-08 11:41:29 AM  

Frank N Stein: Elliot8654: ReverendJasen: Elliot8654: They aren't doing exactly what they advertise they do, because they don't like the subject matter.

They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.

So if I order a cake that says "Dave and Rebecca forever" I am good, but if it says "bill and Jims love will never die" or maybe "to the love of Amanda and sharon"?

Ooh! I wanna order a cake labeled "Alex and Sam's wedding:2014". See if they can tell if it is for a day mens, lesbians, or straight couples cake!

It's at the baker's discretion. Why should they be obligated to provide you a service/product that they do not wish to provide? Furthermore, why not just go to another bakery?


But they clearly do wish to provide the service and make money, or they wouldn't run a bakery.
 
2014-07-08 11:41:35 AM  

Mad Scientist: Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?


Do you really want to be in business serving people that you hate?
 
2014-07-08 11:42:06 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


In the Saint Reagan edition.
 
2014-07-08 11:42:17 AM  

Frank N Stein: Elliot8654: ReverendJasen: Elliot8654: They aren't doing exactly what they advertise they do, because they don't like the subject matter.

They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.

So if I order a cake that says "Dave and Rebecca forever" I am good, but if it says "bill and Jims love will never die" or maybe "to the love of Amanda and sharon"?

Ooh! I wanna order a cake labeled "Alex and Sam's wedding:2014". See if they can tell if it is for a day mens, lesbians, or straight couples cake!

It's at the baker's discretion. Why should they be obligated to provide you a service/product that they do not wish to provide? Furthermore, why not just go to another bakery?


Also this is weird because my name is Alex and I once dated a Samantha (Sam for short, of course)
 
2014-07-08 11:42:40 AM  

Prince George: I think Sesame Street has made it clear you're a sick farker if you feel the need to assign any sexual orientation to a children's puppet.


Nonsense. Many muppets have clear and obvious sexual orientations. The central relationship in the muppetverse (Kermit and Piggy) is clearly and obviously heterosexual. Oscar the Grouch has a girlfriend , Grundgetta.  Even the ever-present chickenfarker, Gonzo,  is only interested in female chickens. And while they're not muppets, Sesame Street characters Maria and Luis got married when the actress Sonia Manzano got pregnant in the late eighties. Hell, Pepe the Prawn is unabashedly, and hilariously heterosexual

They own it they made it clear they want nothing to do with the debate either way so no I wouldn't make your cake.

The only reason CTW refused to take a clear stand is because it's a controversial issue, and too many small minded bigots would stop watching the show and start writing angry letters if they came out and admitted that E&B are gay.

 How about a Luke and Han cake?

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2014-07-08 11:42:54 AM  

Chongo79: "Why, hello there Mr. Atheist baker. Could I have a cake for my son's first communion?"


Why yes you can, because me making a cake for you in no way effects what I personally believe.
 
2014-07-08 11:42:56 AM  

Magorn: how hard would it have been for the bakery to simply mumble something about copyright laws and refuse to make the cake on those grounds instead? Dumbasses


Incredibly difficult. You see, that doesn't allow them to wave their religious schlong in everybody's faces and cram their beliefs down the throats of their customers.
 
2014-07-08 11:43:12 AM  
Legit question here...

In the US, if a bakery refuses to make a wedding cake for gay marriage, yet will still serve gay customers, is that considered illegal? I know it is illegal if they refuse to serve gay (or black or whatever) customers, but if they just refuse to make a certain kind of cake, is that illegal?
 
2014-07-08 11:43:43 AM  

MBooda: Greenstein's still refuses to bake a pork and oyster cake for me.


Funny that you mention that. In this article about the bakery in this story, there's a picture of their storefront... and their signs advertising bacon sandwiches.
 
2014-07-08 11:44:32 AM  
Do you really want to eat food prepared by people who hate you?

Do you really want to be in business serving people that you hate?


No, they don't. That's why they won't make it. C'mon, man!
 
2014-07-08 11:44:43 AM  

Elliot8654: So if I order a cake that says "Dave and Rebecca forever" I am good, but if it says "bill and Jims love will never die" or maybe "to the love of Amanda and sharon"?


Probably so.  Same as the difference between requesting "I love Jesus" vs "I love Satan."  I sure they'd refuse the second.  And it wouldn't be on the news or in a courtroom.
 
2014-07-08 11:45:15 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Their reasoning was they won't bake a cake for a gay couple.


You're making that up.

scottydoesntknow: If the Bert/Ernie picture had nothing to do with it and the cake instead said "Bill and Bob Forever" do you think the company would've baked it? Of course not.


Probably not, but that's not the point either.  Keep trying though.

Theaetetus: I don't think that providing a commercial service that you provide to the general public is "endorsing a particular viewpoint that you disagree with,"


Think of the cake as company letterhead, and it might make more sense to you.  Probably not though.
 
2014-07-08 11:45:48 AM  

machoprogrammer: I know it is illegal if they refuse to serve gay (or black or whatever) customers


Depends on the place. Gayness isn't legally protected nationwide like blackness is.
 
2014-07-08 11:45:52 AM  

ReverendJasen: Elliot8654: So if I order a cake that says "Dave and Rebecca forever" I am good, but if it says "bill and Jims love will never die" or maybe "to the love of Amanda and sharon"?

Probably so.  Same as the difference between requesting "I love Jesus" vs "I love Satan."  I sure they'd refuse the second.  And it wouldn't be on the news or in a courtroom.


... And if the request was for a cake saying "I love Allah" and they refused?
 
2014-07-08 11:45:53 AM  

machoprogrammer: Legit question here...

In the US, if a bakery refuses to make a wedding cake for gay marriage, yet will still serve gay customers, is that considered illegal? I know it is illegal if they refuse to serve gay (or black or whatever) customers, but if they just refuse to make a certain kind of cake, is that illegal?


If they refused to make wedding cakes for all couples, no. They are not discriminating against a specific group of people.

If they only refuse to make wedding cakes for gay couples simply because they're a gay couple, then yes that's discrimination.
 
2014-07-08 11:46:07 AM  

GoldSpider: ReverendJasen: They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.

You aren't missing anything.  This is a point that many in this thread are simply refusing to acknowledge because it castrates most of their argument.


Please explain what their religion is against then. Sesame Street characters who are not married (gay or otherwise)? Or customers who are gay?

These are the only two relevant factors in this case.
 
2014-07-08 11:47:03 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: HoustonNick: I don't have to support your gay or straight marriage, but I have the right to choose what I do and do not support.

Your rights end where your "Open for business" sign begins. Just suck it up and make the cake, Nancy. You're only making yourself look bad otherwise.


But what about the  the birthday cake for the little boy named adolf h ?  Who here wants to support that daddy a-holes rights?
 
2014-07-08 11:47:34 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: HoustonNick: We should stop trying to force businesses to support something they don't believe in

GO


fark

YOURSELF


If they refused to serve them all, you might have a point.
 
2014-07-08 11:47:38 AM  

Serious Black: If I make a cake that says "Death to the Jews" for a group of Neo-Nazis, does that mean I endorse committing a mass genocide against Jews?


Someone who sees that message on a cake you produced and sold could conclude that.  And I certainly don't think you, as a business owner, would want to risk that.
 
2014-07-08 11:47:50 AM  
They should close their bakery and start a "church" with themselves as paid clergy -- that sells cakes as a permanent fundraising venture.

/ would be much easier to defend whatever religious views you want
// bonus: no taxes!
 
2014-07-08 11:48:10 AM  

GoldSpider: Theaetetus: I don't think that providing a commercial service that you provide to the general public is "endorsing a particular viewpoint that you disagree with,"

Think of the cake as company letterhead, and it might make more sense to you.  Probably not though.


Yes, if I thought of the cake as company letterhead, then it might make more sense. Or if I thought of the cake as the company owner's first born son. Or if I thought of the cake as the pair of pants you must be wearing on your head to attempt such a strained analogy.
 
2014-07-08 11:49:31 AM  

Circusdog320: Where did Jesus say love everybody except gay people?


ct.politicomments.com
 
2014-07-08 11:50:35 AM  

Farking Canuck: These are the only two relevant factors in this case.


There's also the matter of the text saying "support gay marriage" that was requested by the customer, and spelled out quite clearly in the article, should you care to read it.
 
2014-07-08 11:50:40 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: The only reason CTW refused to take a clear stand is because it's a controversial issue, and too many small minded bigots would stop watching the show and start writing angry letters if they came out and admitted that E&B are gay.


No they took a stand because they are puppets aimed at children not a political show.  They can show 2 people of the same sex living together without discussing their sex life,  Children will relate to it as it fits what they see around them.
 
2014-07-08 11:53:02 AM  
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2014-07-08 11:53:24 AM  
Welcome to a month of TF to a couple posters here.
 
2014-07-08 11:53:36 AM  

GoldSpider: Serious Black: If I make a cake that says "Death to the Jews" for a group of Neo-Nazis, does that mean I endorse committing a mass genocide against Jews?

Someone who sees that message on a cake you produced and sold could conclude that.  And I certainly don't think you, as a business owner, would want to risk that.


So can I now blame colt and gun manufacturers for endorsing murder since their guns are used for it?
 
2014-07-08 11:53:47 AM  

GoldSpider: Serious Black: If I make a cake that says "Death to the Jews" for a group of Neo-Nazis, does that mean I endorse committing a mass genocide against Jews?

Someone who sees that message on a cake you produced and sold could conclude that.  And I certainly don't think you, as a business owner, would want to risk that.


Someone earlier in the thread mentioned a Jewish custom t-shirt maker who printed shirts with swastikas on them for a group of white supremacists. I don't think he endorsed the systematic genocide of his own people. And if somebody really thought I endorsed white supremacy because I treated a white supremacist the same as I would treat any other customers, that's their fault, not mine.
 
2014-07-08 11:55:15 AM  

Deathfrogg: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Am I the only one who always assumed that Bert and Ernie were brothers?

When I was a little kid, I figured they were cousins or something. Hell, they slept in the same bed and everything just like I did when my cousins came over to visit. I slept in the same bed with my brother until I was 7.


Are you a gay puppet or Joe Flacco?
 
2014-07-08 11:56:00 AM  

Serious Black: GoldSpider: Serious Black: If I make a cake that says "Death to the Jews" for a group of Neo-Nazis, does that mean I endorse committing a mass genocide against Jews?

Someone who sees that message on a cake you produced and sold could conclude that.  And I certainly don't think you, as a business owner, would want to risk that.

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned a Jewish custom t-shirt maker who printed shirts with swastikas on them for a group of white supremacists. I don't think he endorsed the systematic genocide of his own people. And if somebody really thought I endorsed white supremacy because I treated a white supremacist the same as I would treat any other customers, that's their fault, not mine.


GoldSpider's probably also concerned about the white restaurant owners who were forced to serve black patrons and were worried that their KKK friends might conclude that they were okay with desegregation.
 
2014-07-08 11:56:44 AM  

Elliot8654: Frank N Stein: Elliot8654: ReverendJasen: Elliot8654: They aren't doing exactly what they advertise they do, because they don't like the subject matter.

They're allowed to.  Many bakeries won't make you a penis cake for a bachelorette party, and some will.  They're not refusing to serve women, they're refusing to make that one product they find distasteful.
Unless I missed something, this bakery is not refusing to serve gays--they're refusing to put a specific design on a cake.

So if I order a cake that says "Dave and Rebecca forever" I am good, but if it says "bill and Jims love will never die" or maybe "to the love of Amanda and sharon"?

Ooh! I wanna order a cake labeled "Alex and Sam's wedding:2014". See if they can tell if it is for a day mens, lesbians, or straight couples cake!

It's at the baker's discretion. Why should they be obligated to provide you a service/product that they do not wish to provide? Furthermore, why not just go to another bakery?

But they clearly do wish to provide the service and make money, or they wouldn't run a bakery.


Simply running a business is not concent to a requirement that they must make every product related to the nature of their business.
 
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