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(Washington Post)   The backlash against gluten free dieting has begun as people who claim to be Celiac are told to eat a pizza once in a while   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 480
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2014-07-08 11:31:28 AM  

Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.


I went home with a waitress, the way I always do.

How was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
 
2014-07-08 11:33:39 AM  
BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.

And yes, it IS annoying to see people talk about Celiac disease when they don't have it, and have no clue what they are talking about. It is dangerous and disrespectful to those who actuall have that disease.
 
2014-07-08 11:35:58 AM  

dready zim: Typhoid: dready zim: Slives: dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...

I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...

it is me being sarcastic but it is also what she actually said...

I wonder if there was some sort of hilarious misunderstanding because you can't eat french fries (due to contamination with breaded fried things) in most restaurants. She doesn't sound the brightest to try vegan and gluten free (my celiac vegetarian friends eventually gave up the vegetarian part because they liked to be able to eat every once in a while), so I could see that happening.

Nope, it was in our kitchen looking at raw potatoes that she could have had cooked any way she liked. We were suggesting baked then she could put whatever she liked on them.


What he meant was that her misunderstanding about potatoes having gluten was because she was told that French fries should be avoided. As he said the reason is not the potatoes, but cross contamination from the cooking grease, which would actually be a problem for someone with Celiac. Not understanding this she just assumed potato's must have gluten.
 
2014-07-08 11:38:24 AM  
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2014-07-08 11:38:34 AM  

Wizzywig: BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.


My mother has a confirmed diagnosis.  In addition, my son has a confirmed wheat allergy.  Not sure why you find it offensive that I would talk about this issue because I don't have it.  It sure impacts all of our lives, not just the ones that have it.  It is neither dangerous nor disrespectful and it is dumb to pretend that the only ones that can talk about it is the ones that have it.

Lighten up Francis.
 
2014-07-08 11:41:31 AM  
I have Crohn's and am missing about 5 feet of small intestine. I'm not Celiac but I have a lot of intolerances, or rather things that I just don't digest very well (end result: discomfort and lots of reading time on the throne). Gluten is delicious. Depending on the phase of the moon I can tolerate a small amount or not. Why anyone would want to go without gluten boggles my mind. If I could digest it reliably I would eat pizza and pasta every day of the week and six times on Sunday.
 
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2014-07-08 11:41:58 AM  

Wizzywig: BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.

And yes, it IS annoying to see people talk about Celiac disease when they don't have it, and have no clue what they are talking about. It is dangerous and disrespectful to those who actuall have that disease.


My best friend was diagnosed by a doctor.  fark off.
 
2014-07-08 11:43:50 AM  

Fibro: machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair

Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.


Kipping pullups are for people who aren't strong enough to do regular pull ups. With the motion needed to help you get above the bar, you lack the stability needed to keep your shoulder in a healthy position. Because the person lacks strength to go regular pull ups, you're continuously torquing your shoulder with every rep. Without stability, the ball moves around the socket unnaturally.

Injuries also happen because of poor technique training. And when you get tired, you get out of proper position...you can keep going while the person you're working doesn't stop you because they don't know what poor position looks like. Welcome to snap city, son.
 
2014-07-08 11:43:56 AM  

Muta: lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I

A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.


They really should have named them different things. All people hear is "Diabetes" and they assume that it has a cause because the most common type does. People just don't get that type 1 is the "No Fault" variety. You have it from bad luck in the genetic lottery, not from something you did.
 
2014-07-08 11:45:35 AM  

thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks. Does your digestive tract do its job? Fantastic. Now shut the hell up and eat the stuff you whine so much about missing. Don't worry. You'll have another fad diet to follow and complain about in a few months, and maybe that one won't be so damn insulting to people with a serious, life-threatening illness.


Yup.  The fad diet guys are a real pain for those of us with real issues.  I don't have celiac but I have had people pretend things didn't contain ingredients I knew would give me trouble.  (Fortunately anaphylaxis isn't an issue.  Eating something wrong can be rather unpleasant but it won't kill me other than through malnutrition.)

rev. dave: FTFA, "In the '50s, everyone had ulcers," he says. "Then, it was back problems. Now, it's gluten."


And these days they know ulcers are an infection that can be cured rather than by going with a diet that minimizes symptoms.

TheGogmagog: Yes, because an allergy is fatal or it's fake. Blistering skin or boiling diarrhea isn't fatal so don't call it an allergy. Pisses me off about people claiming to be allergic to bee stings because they swelled all up like they do on TV. You didn't die, and you don't carry an eppy pen, you don't have a REAL allergy.


The problem is we don't have a good term here.  Medically, I know my issues aren't actually allergies.  Negative tests and anti-allergy medicines do nothing.  That doesn't mean they aren't real, though.  The docs simply label it "food intolerance".  It requires a very special diet to get the nutrition I need, though.

MrSteve007: What bothers me are the people who claim an allergy or an intolerance to a substance, but it's entirely self diagnosed. Guess what? If you haven't been tested, you probably don't know what you're allergic to.


The docs have no decent test for intolerance.
 
2014-07-08 11:47:07 AM  

Fibro: machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair

Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.


Nice refutation. Let's see your sources.

And even if kipping "pull ups" work the core, why the fark do them when they are hell on the shoulders, when you can do leg raises or whatever instead? Do you crossfitters like spassing on pull up bars?
 
2014-07-08 11:49:47 AM  

WhiskeySticks: Fibro: machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair

Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.

Kipping pullups are for people who aren't strong enough to do regular pull ups. With the motion needed to help you get above the bar, you lack the stability needed to keep your shoulder in a healthy position. Because the person lacks strength to go regular pull ups ...


LOL.

Everywhere I've been to won't let you kip unless you can bang out dead hang pullups.
 
2014-07-08 11:55:19 AM  
It's sad because there are people who genuinely do have some sort of negative reactions to gluten. I know of at least one woman who is highly allergic. Those I have all the sympathy for.

On the other hand, there are way too many people like my stepmom, who look at any little thing and say it's a gluten allergy. She sprung this on me one morning while she was eating donuts I'd brought back from Krispy Kreme. She had three all while preaching on about how she couldn't have gluten at all or she'd break out in hives. Oddly enough, we never saw any kind of reaction.

There's nothing evil or wrong with gluten. Gluten doesn't make you gain weight. It's not unhealthy. It's just that a very small amount of the population can't have it.
 
2014-07-08 11:57:07 AM  

joness0154: LOL.

Everywhere I've been to won't let you kip unless you can bang out dead hang pullups.



So that stops people from doing it other places? Good on them for establishing some sort of standard.
 
2014-07-08 11:59:50 AM  
I don't give a shiat what people eat or don't eat, but (stop reading here if you're one of these people, or proceed at your own risk of hurt fee-fees):

Just as people who get religion can't seem to shut the fark up about it, or people who start dating tend to act like they invented farking, people who follow certain diets can't a) admit that it's a diet fad, completely manufactured to sell stuff, like every other diet that's ever come and gone and b) resist lecturing the rest of us on how we're eating bad food or somesuch bullshiat. Some of them try to be subtle about it, but their frequent, sometimes snide little comments about what we eat (or feed our kids) kinda sucks the goodwill out of us and makes us want to punch them, after force feeding them whatever food they claim will kill us all before our time. They say ridiculous shiat that makes no goddam sense at all, as if daring us to respond so they can feel righteously persecuted by the Big Food lobby.

All I want to do is eat a farking sandwich or potato in peace without having to listen to some dipshiat go on about how they haven't eaten bread or a potato in 3 months, like they should get a commendation for it.

Unless you have a true, diagnosed-by-a-doctor food allergy/sensitivity, I don't care what you're not eating. Shut up.
 
2014-07-08 11:59:57 AM  
As someone who gets violent, painful diarrhea when he eats gluten (that's an actual measurable response not "foggy headed" or some such nonsense):

F*cking Good.  F*ck those stupid f*cking hippies in their *sses with a f*cking baguette.  A sweet, delicious baguette steaming hot from the oven. With butter.

Now I'm hungry.

Not eating gluten when you don't have an illness is HORRIBLE for you.  It will rob you of protein and keep you from getting enough fiber and taking big enough dumps.  I want the health food bit to end so I can get a frozen pizza with f*cking meat on it.

I also want these bullsh*t statistics to stop running around.  30% of people do not have a gluten "intolerance".  Either you show symptoms of serious digestive disorders like Crohns disease, frequently have diarrhea for no apparent reason, and respond violently after doing a (I hate this term, but for lack of a better phrase) gluten cleanse you're probably just eating too much crappy food.
 
2014-07-08 12:00:48 PM  
I know two people with Crohn's, two people who were told to avoid gluten in order to address other health issues, and one person with severe IBS (me, back in the day).  People with severe GI issues and auto-immune disorders such as Celiac's tend to be underweight.  Before my diagnosis, I was consuming several thousand calories a day and was not very active, but you could hang a coat-hanger on my collarbones. I was also sick all the time (chronic diarrhea will do that).  Thus, I tend to be suspicious when someone cuts back on gluten, wheat, etc. in order to lose weight.  Getting to the category of "obese" tends to require that you eat a lot of junk and it stays in you long enough to be stored as fat.  Not really common with those who are actually sick.

Now that I have my symptoms under control, I follow this amazing fad diet where I enter everything into MyFitnessPal and when I reach my calorie limit for the day, I either stop eating or go for a walk.  Amazing how well that works.
 
2014-07-08 12:01:03 PM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


Holy crap that made me lol!  Yeah, everything you just said!
 
2014-07-08 12:01:25 PM  
Out of the dozen or so people that I know who are gluten free, only one of them is a diagnosed celiac. The others are following a fad. Sure, it has increased demand for gluten free food which is great for the one person out of all of them who actually needs it, but now I roll my eyes at the entire lot because I'm so sick and farking tired of hearing about how special snowflake their diet is.
 
2014-07-08 12:02:14 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: All I want to do is eat a farking sandwich or potato in peace without having to listen to some dipshiat go on about how they haven't eaten bread or a potato in 3 months, like they should get a commendation for it.

Unless you have a true, diagnosed-by-a-doctor food allergy/sensitivity, I don't care what you're not eating. Shut up.


Can we get a "RIGHT ON!" button next to the SMART and FUNNY buttons?
 
2014-07-08 12:02:40 PM  

machoprogrammer: Fibro: machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair

Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.

Nice refutation. Let's see your sources.

And even if kipping "pull ups" work the core, why the fark do them when they are hell on the shoulders, when you can do leg raises or whatever instead? Do you crossfitters like spassing on pull up bars?


Kipping pull-ups work your core, your lats, and - yes - they cause you to do "more work". If you have the shoulder flexibility then they're not dangerous. If you don't have the shoulder flexibility then you need to stretch regularly until you do - this is the same with any other move.

The primary positions you hit during a kipping pull-up (hollow body and superman) are directly from gymnastics. We have 2 coaches at our crossfit box - one was a top NCAA Gymnastics competitor and is now a trainer.

I still do strict pull-ups occasionally but there's nothing wrong with properly executed kipping pull-ups and they do have their place in specific workouts.
 
2014-07-08 12:02:45 PM  

Loren: Yup. The fad diet guys are a real pain for those of us with real issues. I don't have celiac but I have had people pretend things didn't contain ingredients I knew would give me trouble. (Fortunately anaphylaxis isn't an issue. Eating something wrong can be rather unpleasant but it won't kill me other than through malnutrition.)


Sounds like the real problem isn't the fad dieters, but the assholes who presume you are a fad dieter.
 
2014-07-08 12:04:18 PM  

Jument: If I could digest it reliably I would eat pizza and pasta every day of the week and six times on Sunday.


If you ate like that (I know it's hyperbole) you'd have Type II diabetes.  Cutting out pizza and pasta is a healthy thing to do.  They should both be treats, not staples.
 
2014-07-08 12:04:37 PM  
Smelly Pirate Hooker: [snip]  All I want to do is eat a farking sandwich or potato in peace without having to listen to some dipshiat go on about how they haven't eaten bread or a potato in 3 months, like they should get a commendation for it.

Unless you have a true, diagnosed-by-a-doctor food allergy/sensitivity, I don't care what you're not eating. Shut up.


Do these people think potatoes have gluten in them?  If so, please stab them with your fork.

Also, see my comment on physical, measurable response.
 
2014-07-08 12:07:30 PM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.
 
2014-07-08 12:09:23 PM  

varnigus: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.


Then don't invite them over.  Problem solved.
 
2014-07-08 12:11:41 PM  
There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.
 
2014-07-08 12:12:04 PM  
"In the '50s, everyone had ulcers," he says. "Then, it was back problems.

But that really happened. It's still happening.

Klimas's husband, Kurt Rieschick

Oh boy. Guess what else is often called a fad and a mental illness... Should you really be getting rid of your friends by "out"ing them in a newspaper?

ask gluten-free dieters whether they actually knew what gluten was. (Most didn't.)

Wow. I'm shocked. Biochemistry is too hard for most people, even those who have or are faking a fashionable disease. I had no idea. What a world we live in.

The number of people with the disease is rising - doubling every 30 years, on pace with other autoimmune diseases such as Type 1 diabetes

Wait what? You don't understand why the numbers are rising - it's not that Celiac is growing. (Although it may be, we can't tell.) The numbers are growing because Celiac was almost undiagnosable/undiscoverable until recently. Like the author said above the symptoms look like every other vague illness you can imagine. Unless you had an extreme case you weren't going to get diagnosed until recently, and even then you'd often be given the runaround.

"They love that I'm doing well with the company," Cheng says. "But at the end of the day, they still like Chinese food. They love their gluten."

I'd be seriously baffled also. Orientals almost never get Celiac. It's even rarer than Chinese who can drink milk.
 
2014-07-08 12:12:17 PM  

special20: czetie: I used to think I was lactose intolerant, but it turned out I'm intolerant of pretty much everything.

Me too, but really, I just like to fart loudly.

*lifts leg and leans*


So you're the one that scared the dog.  Thanks a lot jerk
 
2014-07-08 12:12:17 PM  

foo monkey: Jument: If I could digest it reliably I would eat pizza and pasta every day of the week and six times on Sunday.

If you ate like that (I know it's hyperbole) you'd have Type II diabetes.  Cutting out pizza and pasta is a healthy thing to do.  They should both be treats, not staples.


Meh, bullshiat. If you're a couch potato you need to eat like one but if you're active (I run/swim/bike 10+ hours a week) carbs are good. Although I have read about a small number of long distance endurance athletes who report success with low carb diets but they are a small minority.
 
2014-07-08 12:14:01 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: So you're the one that scared the dog.  Thanks a lot jerk


And then....

He killed the dog.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-07-08 12:14:27 PM  

HeartBurnKid: varnigus: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.

Then don't invite them over.  Problem solved.


Yup.
 
2014-07-08 12:15:14 PM  
We should just send The Breadmaster (from the Tick) to these peoples' houses.

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2014-07-08 12:17:12 PM  

mike_d85: Smelly Pirate Hooker: [snip]  All I want to do is eat a farking sandwich or potato in peace without having to listen to some dipshiat go on about how they haven't eaten bread or a potato in 3 months, like they should get a commendation for it.

Unless you have a true, diagnosed-by-a-doctor food allergy/sensitivity, I don't care what you're not eating. Shut up.

Do these people think potatoes have gluten in them?  If so, please stab them with your fork.

Also, see my comment on physical, measurable response.


Nah, it's a no carb thing (or both; I dunno, I try not get him started, he doesn't eat bread or potatoes, for some reason I'm sure he thinks is super-important).

I know they're not the same. Just threw that in there, because if there's anyone who's more pretentious and deserves to be kicked in the taint more than the no gluten people, it's the no carb people.
 
2014-07-08 12:19:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: varnigus: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.

Then don't invite them over.  Problem solved.


I usually stop inviting them over after I've found out about it. A little harder when it happens to someone you are currently dating.

/No longer invite her over, either
 
2014-07-08 12:19:33 PM  

varnigus: Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.


That is why when we go places, we generally bring food for our son.  Much simpler that way, so long as you have a bit of time available.
 
2014-07-08 12:20:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.


Uh, I don't see any posts (maybe i missed one or two) that are vilifying legitimate sufferers of Celiac Disease or gluten sensitivity/intolerance.  In fact, there's a lot of sympathy for them.

The thread seems aimed at the asshats and douchetards who've jumped on the gluten-free bandwagon, and take every opportunity to let those around them know they are eating gluten-free. 

As someone who has apparently lost a loved one to Celiac Disease, doesn't it bother you that the medically-confirmed illness that killed your family member is being co-opted by a bunch of attention-whoring fad-tards who just want to seem cool while inconveniencing everybody around them?
 
2014-07-08 12:26:22 PM  

hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.


I'm sorry for your loss.  I don't think anyone disputes Celiac Disease is real and terrible.  Some people are just assholes.

And because you asked for it, I found you a happy one.
i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-07-08 12:26:47 PM  

Bowen: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Three words: Gluten Free Beer

Just have a glass of wine if you want to be gluten free at the bar. Do we really need yet another frankenfood? Like sugar free grape jelly. Just...how? Have you ever had grapes? They're basically sugar and water. How are you mashing them up, jarring them and removing the sugar?

How?

HOW?!?

I actually don't care all that much but my first train was early (farking early!) and now my backup train is late (late! farking late!)


I once accidentally picked up a jar of sugar-free grape jelly once. It was revolting. Likewise, I once grabbed a bottle of salt-free ketchup by mistake one time, and found that salt is apparently what makes ketchup good.

This gluten-free nonsense is a bunch of crap. In all my life, I've known exactly one person with Celiac, and zero who were gluten-intolerant. I'm bemused when I think about the fact that humans have been consuming foods with gluten before even inventing agriculture, with very few ill effects save for those who have legitimate medical conditions, and now it's suddenly the worst thing ever. It makes me wonder how many of these idiots would have survived the 80's, when Oat Bran was the cure for every damned thing under the sun.
 
2014-07-08 12:27:24 PM  

hej: Wizzywig: BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.

And yes, it IS annoying to see people talk about Celiac disease when they don't have it, and have no clue what they are talking about. It is dangerous and disrespectful to those who actuall have that disease.

My best friend was diagnosed by a doctor.  fark off.


I actually have 2 nieces diagnosed with it, one a blood relative, both confirmed by blood and genetic
testing, so I agree with what hej said.

Sorry to burst your bubble of righteous indignation at AWs, Wizzywig, but in some places up to 20% of
the population can have Celiac disease, and it is tested for routinely in some parts of Europe.  But I'm
sure you knew that.
 
2014-07-08 12:27:26 PM  
People are idiots. I knew someone who claimed that taking cortisol blockers helped her lose weight. I have Addison's disease and told her that if those things were really working, she'd also be throwing up constantly and have dangerously low blood pressure. Oh, and she would also go into shock and die. She just thought that any steroid in the body was bad for you and made you fat. But hey, let's believe every commercial you see on tv.
 
2014-07-08 12:27:44 PM  

Snakeophelia: I know two people with Crohn's,


I dated a gal with Crohn's and we met in the bakery I managed.
If she hadn't mentioned it in passing, I never would have known.

We ate out a lot.
She was from Israel and was only dating me for my baklava recipe.
 
2014-07-08 12:27:46 PM  

MrSteve007: CheapEngineer: For many it takes *several* passes of tests to find allergies, especially foods. My mother and sister both have severe food allergies (I have several) and some show up in the skin tests but not in the blood tests, some in the blood but not skin. Several things my mother is violently allergic to don't show up in any test, yet she can tell when something she eats has corn products in it within 30 minutes. It's damn hard to shop for her, and finding food she can eat is expensive and time consuming for a 70+ year old.

\most of her allergies worsened after a bad bacterial infection 20 years ago
\\the above information is for everyone else in the thread
\\\'cause I'm not pretending to myself you give a rat's ass
If the skin and/or blood test are inconclusive (which I'm highly incredulous of that fact), I would absolutely do a clinical double-blind test via consumption. What would be most interesting is if you gave her sample A and sample B - stating that one of them has some parts of the food she's allergic to, but in reality, neither one has any, and see if she has any symptoms. Of course, if you're at 70 and have numerous other health related issues, it doesn't matter much, as you can't change much with people long set in their ways.

What I have the largest issue with, is that it seems that about 10-15% of the population claims to be gluten intolerant - especially if you live in an urban area on the West Coast, and you're under the age of 35. I have 4 friends who claim their stomach issues are due to celiacs. I ask them how they got tested, and every one says "Oh, I didn't see a doctor, I just know."

It reminds me of the brother's kids, who claim all kinds of food allergies: "Oh, I'm allergic to shellfish" Then I point out to them that for lunch, several hours earlier, they had a crab cake. Suddenly, they'll claim all kinds of symptoms. Same goes for them and fish, yet they'll eat fish and chips all day long.

And don't get me started on my aunt, who f ...


I'm just tired of the stupid tainting the public's opinion of people that really have these allergies.

I've spent the last few years learning how to make the christmas candies my mother and grandmother used to make, without wheat/corn/peanuts. Normal powdered sugar has corn starch in it to keep it from sticking together (I use a small coffee grinder to powder sugar for her, 1/3 cup at a time). Damn near *everything* has corn syrup in it. Hell, even the vanilla extract contains alcohol from corn, which makes her itch if she eats any (I have an airline bottle of potato vodka full of crushed vanilla beans). The Brits use a lot of Cane Sugar syrup, that's a handy replacement.

If everyone wants to eat like this for made up reasons - let 'em. That means there will be more products out there for people with the real issue to eat.
 
2014-07-08 12:30:02 PM  

Technoir: hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.

Uh, I don't see any posts (maybe i missed one or two) that are vilifying legitimate sufferers of Celiac Disease or gluten sensitivity/intolerance.  In fact, there's a lot of sympathy for them.

The thread seems aimed at the asshats and douchetards who've jumped on the gluten-free bandwagon, and take every opportunity to let those around them know they are eating gluten-free. 

As someone who has apparently lost a loved one to Celiac Disease, doesn't it bother you that the medically-confirmed illness that killed your family member is being co-opted by a bunch of attention-whoring fad-tards who just want to seem cool while inconveniencing everybody around them?


I'm pretty sure he was joking, since he brought up the old fark joke about Quinn.  I think posting the pic is still a bannable offense?  Or at least earns you a fark holiday.
 
2014-07-08 12:31:54 PM  

buckler: This gluten-free nonsense is a bunch of crap. In all my life, I've known exactly one person with Celiac,


So because your experience is limited, it is a bunch of crap?  Sounds a bit like argumentum ad ignorantiam to me.
 
2014-07-08 12:31:59 PM  
What is it about the Western psyche that makes people strive to be so willfully ignorant about food and nutrition?

A couple of good rules of thumb:

1) If you're on a diet that completely or nearly completely restricts a macronutrient (like carbs), it's not going to work long term and it's going to f*ck up your metabolism.

2) If your diet has a name, there's about a 99.6% chance it's junk science bullsh*t.
 
2014-07-08 12:32:18 PM  
I've known exactly one person in my life who had celiac disease, back in college.  When the rest of us were cutting our binge-drinking teeth on watery Natty Light at keg parties, she would carry around her own personal bottle of tequila, or sometimes rum.  That girl was one hard-drinkin' Lincoln.

Last I heard, she's a nun.  Ironically, the sisters at her convent run a bakery that produces nothing but communion wafers, which are basically just pressed wheatpaste.
 
2014-07-08 12:33:28 PM  

dready zim: Technoir: dready zim: One more thing, the diet I propose has no `banned` foods, you can eat anything you like but if you mix carbs and fat, protein and salt, or fat and salt you will need to regulate your calories (portion size) consciously as your body will not regulate them by itself so you *will* want to overeat.

Either eat them mindfully, sparingly or avoid them.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

EIP

I got them from `fat vs sugar`, a horizon programme on UK TV where two doctors (who are also twins) changed their diet for a month and one cut out fat and one cut out carbs to see the health effects of both and to see which wqas causing the rising tide of obesity. They did endurance tests and other tests during the month, looked at their appetite and did tests on themselves after a month.

They found the no fat diet lead a person to produce LESS insulin and become MORE sensitive to it, leading to more efficient processing of carbs, weight loss through appetite regulation and loss of fat. Apart from the missing nutrients in the fats there were no negative effects.

They found the no carbs diet lead a person to produce MORE insulin and become LESS sensitive to it, leading to less efficient processing of carbs, weight loss through appetite regulation and loss of fat AND MUSCLE.

Turns out that eating no carbs is putting you on the road to diabetes (increased insulin production + reduced sensitivity to insulin) and you lose about as much muscle as fat on the diet (because you eat your muscle to produce ketones for energy). It was seen as having a negative effect on health and not recommended.

They also looked at an experiment with rats where they were fed three extreme diet supplements. They had normal food and either a lump of fat (butter) a lump of carbs (sugar) or a mix of both (cheesecake)

with the lump of fat they would eat a bit of it but mostly eat their normal food and maintained a normal weight.

with the lump of ...



Seems complicated, or maybe just eat everything in moderation?

whatevs...

(U do have a point- I need a high protein, med complex carb breakfast to keep my blood sugar from spiking in the eve, which has a tremendously cascading affect on my appetite and weight gain)

People should get to know their bodies...it helps ALOT!
 
2014-07-08 12:35:01 PM  

Robo Beat: I've known exactly one person in my life who had celiac disease, back in college.  When the rest of us were cutting our binge-drinking teeth on watery Natty Light at keg parties, she would carry around her own personal bottle of tequila, or sometimes rum.  That girl was one hard-drinkin' Lincoln.

Last I heard, she's a nun.  Ironically, the sisters at her convent run a bakery that produces nothing but communion wafers, which are basically just pressed wheatpaste.


Talk about penance.
 
2014-07-08 12:35:18 PM  

HeadLever: buckler: This gluten-free nonsense is a bunch of crap. In all my life, I've known exactly one person with Celiac,

So because your experience is limited, it is a bunch of crap?  Sounds a bit like argumentum ad ignorantiam to me.


I thought about adding an "anecdotes are not evidence" caveat, but the idea is that, out of the many many thousands of people I've known in my life, the odds would seem to dictate that if gluten problems were as prevalent as the faddists make them out to be, that number should have been considerably higher.
 
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