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2014-07-08 10:39:23 AM  

weddingsinger: Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.

It's not medical advice, its manners.  As a server, people often lied about their allergies (no, I don't believe you're allergic to tomatoes, or blue cheese).  Its a HUGE PIA for a restaurant to accomodate an actual allergy, compared to a simple request to leave a certain food out.  And allergen gets a separate prep area, and requires much more care and removes an employee from other tasks.  A simple request means just leaving the food off the damn plate.

The real nuisance here is, people have no damn clue why they're going gluten free, and think gluten is bad for you.  They probably also think its a carb.

And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697


Heh, one of my inlaws IS actually allergic to tomatoes, and a whole lot of other stuff, including gluten...yes, I'm sure the diagnosis is overused, and, yes, restaurant patrons can be a royal pain.

But she ain't faking...she really loved all the stuff she's had to give up eating, and it's not like she's trying to convert the rest of us to gluten-free or anything.  She had kids in her late 30's, and all these issues cropped up after her kids were born...could be related, I guess.
 
hej
2014-07-08 10:39:33 AM  

thisdaydreamer: hej: nunyadang: hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.

Because he is a fat farker

Then I would think he'd be happy that there's more food left for him.

Aw. You guys are so cute. I knew you'd come along eventually.

Let me explain it to you. People with celiac disease have to severely restrict what they eat. People who hop on the gluten-is-evil bandwagon make everyone who truly has to avoid gluten look like a trendy dieter rather than a person with a serious illness, which convinces food companies and servers to ignore anyone looking for gluten-free food. Hence, folks with celiac are in more danger (and, yes, celiac disease can be deadly) while the trendy dieters get to keep thinking that they are ssssoooooo much healthier for dumping gluten.

There's also the arrogance of declaring your diet to be as important as someone who must restrict themselves or land in the hospital.

I am neither celiac nor gluten free. I just really hate what my friends are going through because of the latest nutritional fad.


My best friend has Celiacs disease, I don't need it explained to me.  The people who convince servers to ignore people looking for gluten-free food are the same people who come on forums like this one and mock others for their dietary choices.
 
2014-07-08 10:40:00 AM  

BorgiaGinz: Would you believe there's gluten-free dog food? That's the new fad down at my pet-food store, all the bags of  the expensive dog food have "GLUTEN-FREE!!!" added to the labeling. Since when do dogs have celiac disease?


Dogs don't handle grain well to begin with, calling it gluten free is just jumping on the fad.  My dog has extensive problems with his joints.  We've gone through all of the treatments (stem cells, etc) to get him better but moving to a grain free diet has probably helped the best.  It's a bit more pricey obviously but worth it.  Their coats will be nicer which will be better for yours and their allergies.
 
2014-07-08 10:44:59 AM  

vudukungfu: I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?

What's next?
Fructose intolerance?


Have you seen all the biatching about high fructose corn syrup as a sweetner?  Not from the people that say it doesn't taste as good as sugar.... but from the people who say it's killing us?
 
2014-07-08 10:48:00 AM  

Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway

On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.

The second group is most of the people who "wanted to help out".
Funny thing is, Mrs. Dudereno doesn't cook anyway. I do. She was busy with the baby, and I could still make dinner for the family.
Also, I've found that 'healthy' means very different things to different people. Saying 'gluten free' gave them a much better idea.

I disagree, it could give them the exact wrong idea and it's kind of a jerk thing to do.  Had my daughter for instance had told me this, I'd have gone out and bought gluten free ingredients, spent extra hours preparing them, and potentially shown up at the door with a big fattening casserole, and some macarons.  Gluten free does not equate to healthy.


I was actually a bit more specific than just gluten free. I also had to consider that most of the people bringing food were church ladies.
Fortunately, no one brought baked goods made from the expensive GF ingredients. Church ladies do like to make jello though.
 
2014-07-08 10:49:38 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat


Because idiots adhering to nonsensical fad diets are physically incapable of shutting the fark up about their new diet-slash-magic-health-bullet.  Ideally, I would never have to hear about this UH-MAZING! gluten-free diet from someone who has never even heard of celiac, but we don't live in that world, so the consolation prize is mocking them for their idiocy.
 
2014-07-08 10:50:13 AM  

El Dudereno: Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway

On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.

The second group is most of the people who "wanted to help out".
Funny thing is, Mrs. Dudereno doesn't cook anyway. I do. She was busy with the baby, and I could still make dinner for the family.
Also, I've found that 'healthy' means very different things to different people. Saying 'gluten free' gave them a much better idea.

I disagree, it could give them the exact wrong idea and it's kind of a jerk thing to do.  Had my daughter for instance had told me this, I'd have gone out and bought gluten free ingredients, spent extra hours preparing them, and potentially shown up at the door with a big fattening casserole, and some macarons.  Gluten free does not equate to healthy.

I was actually a bit more specific than just gluten free. I also had to consider that most of the people bringing food were church ladies.
Fortunately, no one brought baked goods made from the expensive GF ingredients. Church ladies do like to make jello though.


Dang, a liar and high maintenance
 
2014-07-08 10:50:51 AM  
I recently started shopping at a fancy-pants organic market for my produce because they have the best fruits and vegetables of the half-dozen or so markets I've tried in a five-block radius. Last week, I needed to buy some pasta, and never having been to that section of the store, I figured I'd give it a shot.

They had eight f*cking brands of gluten-free pasta, and one brand of insanely expensive regular-ass pasta. I was floored that I had to go to another store to buy pasta. Fortunately, their produce is still excellent, and they're not too far away, but I doubt that I'll be straying too far from the produce section.

As I walked to the big-chain market for my pasta, I just kept thinking that there's no way that fancy-pants organic market's pasta shelves looked like that five years ago. No f*cking way.

/CSB
 
2014-07-08 10:51:04 AM  
Anyone else read that as "Celtic"? The capital "C" threw me.

/*reads....why would the Irish need to eat a pizza?
 
2014-07-08 10:52:20 AM  

lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I


A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.
 
2014-07-08 10:52:26 AM  

vudukungfu: TheGogmagog: One person chooses a gluten free food and everyone builds this straw-man image of that person being a douche to waiters for no reason.

Most people are douches to waiters,
except ex kitchen staffers.


Or people with respect for their fellow humans and good manners.  Unfortunately, like you pointed out, most people are dicks.
 
2014-07-08 10:52:28 AM  

hej: The people who convince servers to ignore people looking for gluten-free food are the same people who come on forums like this one and mock others for their dietary choices.


And I'm pissed off at the people who have turned gluten free into the latest fad diet. It's good that it leads to more gluten free choices, but it also convinces servers and others that all it is is a fad diet.
 
hej
2014-07-08 10:52:54 AM  

China White Tea: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat

Because idiots adhering to nonsensical fad diets are physically incapable of shutting the fark up about their new diet-slash-magic-health-bullet.  Ideally, I would never have to hear about this UH-MAZING! gluten-free diet from someone who has never even heard of celiac, but we don't live in that world, so the consolation prize is mocking them for their idiocy.


Interestingly, if this thread is any indication, it's the people who aren't participating in whatever "fad diet" that are idiots incapable of shutting the fark up about their irrational-hate-for-what-other-people-eat.
 
2014-07-08 10:53:18 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Pathman: Cold_Sassy: If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.

uh, what if that "so-called ailment" is Celiac disease?

How about dealing with it?  If this is all that is 'wrong' with you, consider yourself lucky.


that's idiot logic.  Celiac disease is an auto-immune disorder and your quotations not withstanding would certainly qualify as having something "wrong."

there's always someone worse off, with the exception of one person I suppose... are you hostile towards people with other diseases you don't believe in or don't think are severe enough to warrant your sympathy?
 
2014-07-08 10:53:37 AM  

China White Tea: Because idiots adhering to nonsensical fad diets are physically incapable of shutting the fark up about their new diet-slash-magic-health-bullet.  Ideally, I would never have to hear about this UH-MAZING! gluten-free diet from someone who has never even heard of celiac, but we don't live in that world, so the consolation prize is mocking them for their idiocy.


because of the smug satisfaction you get from thinking you really put them in their place?  you go dude!!!
 
2014-07-08 10:56:45 AM  

Muta: lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I

A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.


By the time you are Type II you are pretty much past the "good diet will make it all better" stage as well.
 
2014-07-08 10:57:28 AM  

weddingsinger: Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.

It's not medical advice, its manners.  As a server, people often lied about their allergies (no, I don't believe you're allergic to tomatoes, or blue cheese).  Its a HUGE PIA for a restaurant to accomodate an actual allergy, compared to a simple request to leave a certain food out.  And allergen gets a separate prep area, and requires much more care and removes an employee from other tasks.  A simple request means just leaving the food off the damn plate.

The real nuisance here is, people have no damn clue why they're going gluten free, and think gluten is bad for you.  They probably also think its a carb.

And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697


I'm allergic to wheat, oats, tomatoes, onions, lettuce, spinach, carrots, bananas, celery, soy, peanuts, yeast, strawberries, milk, shellfish, gourds and melons. ( those are all "families" so being allergic to say bananas and avocados means I also have a latex allergy. There's whole huge lists of things because of that) Basically if it's a plant and it's not rice, corn, pears, peas or potatoes, im allergic to it.

If they are very well cooked I can tolerate most of them. Most I can tolerate small amounts of.

Since so many people have fake allergies and so many asshole servers and chefs thinks allergies are a joke I usually drop my big ass bag of pills and epipens on the table after I say I have an allergy to whatever and that I'm NOT joking.
 
2014-07-08 10:58:07 AM  

hej: China White Tea: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat

Because idiots adhering to nonsensical fad diets are physically incapable of shutting the fark up about their new diet-slash-magic-health-bullet.  Ideally, I would never have to hear about this UH-MAZING! gluten-free diet from someone who has never even heard of celiac, but we don't live in that world, so the consolation prize is mocking them for their idiocy.

Interestingly, if this thread is any indication, it's the people who aren't participating in whatever "fad diet" that are idiots incapable of shutting the fark up about their irrational-hate-for-what-other-people-eat.


Not really.  It's pretty basic shiat.

Got celiac?  You get a pass.

Don't have celiac, but are adhering to a gluten-free diet anyway because reasons?  Fine, but  shut the fark up about it, and certainly don't expect anyone to accommodate your entirely pointless and not-remotely-beneficial diet.  Do this, and absolutely nobody will give a single flying fark what you eat.

It's not an irrational-hate-for-what-other-people-eat - it's an entirely rational hate for having to hear about (and being expected to accommodate) your ridiculous and pointless diet.
 
2014-07-08 10:59:11 AM  

Czechzican: Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.


Im in the wrong business.
 
2014-07-08 10:59:41 AM  
Americans wanting to be special ruins things for people with legitimate health problems?

No way.

You mean that person who likes living in a clean house doesn't have OCD?
You mean that obnoxious prick on some games forum isn't really autistic?
You mean that furry tumblr user doesn't suffer from any sort of dysphoria?
You mean that wal-mart denizen doesn't suffer from glandular problems?
You mean that person who biatches about "triggering" off of vaguely related words that don't even evoke a particular situation doesn't have PTSD?


Christ, it's like people who actually have those conditions wouldn't wish them on anyone.
 
2014-07-08 11:02:05 AM  

Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)


You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?


Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair
 
2014-07-08 11:02:18 AM  
Our bodies were not designed for GMO wheat
 
2014-07-08 11:04:43 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: The Homer Tax: DjangoStonereaver: rikkards: DjangoStonereaver: Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.

You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.

Buddy makes a vegan chocolate cake that is to die for. Wifey is allergic to wheat (thank god not celiac) and eggs the one benefit for the gluten-free fad is that it makes it easier to find alternatives. hard part is finding things that don't use eggs as well.

Indeed; in my nieces' brief life the labelling of food has come leaps and bounds forward, which is a boon
to people with legit allergies and food sensitivities.

Still, though, the labelling only goes so far:  for example, anything with 'carmel coloring' or 'natural flavors'
generally are gluten (coming from wheat products), as is 'malto-dextrin', which is generally wheat sugar.
I have seen things that had 'GLUTEN FREE!' on the label with these as ingredients.

However, as my niece used to point out obsessively when she was a young child, Tootsie Rolls are
gluten free.

Maltodextrin doesn't have gluten in it. It's a polysaccharide, it's made up of nothing but a bunch of linked sugars. Gluten is a protein. That's why Foods with Maltodextrin in them can be labeled gluten free.

But, at least according to both Wikipedia and what my nieces' doctor advised, maltodextrin in Europe is
generally derived from wheat, and while it is usually derived from corn in the US.  Since one can ever tell
just where a given manufacturer got their supplies, my niece avoids it altogether on the off chance that
there is a bit of cross contamination (sort of like how most commercial oatmeal should be avoided by
Celiacs because while oats themselves are gluten free, they are usually stored in silos that also are used
to store wheat and thus are often cross contaminated).

Even with labeling, its a minefield.


Even if it's derived from wheat, it doesn't have gluten in it. It's just a sugar, there's no protein in it.
 
2014-07-08 11:06:09 AM  

CheapEngineer: For many it takes *several* passes of tests to find allergies, especially foods. My mother and sister both have severe food allergies (I have several) and some show up in the skin tests but not in the blood tests, some in the blood but not skin. Several things my mother is violently allergic to don't show up in any test, yet she can tell when something she eats has corn products in it within 30 minutes. It's damn hard to shop for her, and finding food she can eat is expensive and time consuming for a 70+ year old.

\most of her allergies worsened after a bad bacterial infection 20 years ago
\\the above information is for everyone else in the thread
\\\'cause I'm not pretending to myself you give a rat's ass

If the skin and/or blood test are inconclusive (which I'm highly incredulous of that fact), I would absolutely do a clinical double-blind test via consumption. What would be most interesting is if you gave her sample A and sample B - stating that one of them has some parts of the food she's allergic to, but in reality, neither one has any, and see if she has any symptoms. Of course, if you're at 70 and have numerous other health related issues, it doesn't matter much, as you can't change much with people long set in their ways.

What I have the largest issue with, is that it seems that about 10-15% of the population claims to be gluten intolerant - especially if you live in an urban area on the West Coast, and you're under the age of 35. I have 4 friends who claim their stomach issues are due to celiacs. I ask them how they got tested, and every one says "Oh, I didn't see a doctor, I just know."

It reminds me of the brother's kids, who claim all kinds of food allergies: "Oh, I'm allergic to shellfish" Then I point out to them that for lunch, several hours earlier, they had a crab cake. Suddenly, they'll claim all kinds of symptoms. Same goes for them and fish, yet they'll eat fish and chips all day long.

And don't get me started on my aunt, who fully believes that both fructose and gluten causes her stomach problems.
 
2014-07-08 11:06:29 AM  
I read somewhere that people who go gluten free are setting themselves up for digestive problems down the road because a gluten free diet eliminates a lot of sources of fiber vitamins and minerals. Now people who are gluten free under the advice of a real doctor will get counseling on how to replace these things, but people who are gluten free on a whim or they are self diagnosed often won't, and will end up with digestive problems after prolonged gluten free dieting.
 
2014-07-08 11:07:02 AM  

FTDA: most people are dicks.


True that
I had a job where I was encouraged to be a dick.
It sucked.
I wasn't very good at being a dick.
Now I get paid to be nice to people and it's not so stressful.
Even when they are dicks.
 
2014-07-08 11:07:25 AM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


#OccupyWholeFoods
 
2014-07-08 11:10:12 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Our bodies were not designed for GMO wheat


Please tell me you aren't serious and are trolling
 
2014-07-08 11:10:32 AM  

lilplatinum: Muta: lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I

A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.

By the time you are Type II you are pretty much past the "good diet will make it all better" stage as well.


I thought type I was "born with it" and Type II was later onset.  I remember a girl in my neighborhood almost died when we were kids and they found out she was diabetic.  My grandpa was diagnosed with Type II in his later years and I was led to believe it had a lot to do with him being overweight, a smoker, drinker, and general awesome guy.  It has been my understanding that if diet could help, it could help with type II.  People with Type I need to monitor their blood sugar and take insulin for the rest of their lives because their body doesn't produce it.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:46 AM  
I saw that backlash first hand, from a friend with Celiac that despite having his menu options expand, he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.

For him, Celiac was a curse, not something to revel and enjoy.

No more good pizza.  No more good beer.  And if he accidentally had some gluten, it was hospital time for him, and he had no insurance at the time.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:59 AM  

CeroX: It's hilarious how many people just go head first into whatever they think is the new health fad because they heard how gluten is bad in passing. It amazes me that people don't research this shiat for themselves to find out what it is. Gluten is a protein. So by eating gluten free bread, you are now eating only the carbohydrates from wheat and getting none of the fiber or protein... Then complain why your blood sugar is up and your getting fatter...


Gluten free bread doesn't contain any wheat, it is made from other grains, which don't contain those two proteins. Gluten free breads still contain protein.
It's hilarious that people just post shiat on Fark when they don't know what they are talking about. It amazes me that people don't research this shiat for themselves before posting, but I'm sure you'll say you were just trolling.
 
2014-07-08 11:12:45 AM  

aseras: weddingsinger: Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.

It's not medical advice, its manners.  As a server, people often lied about their allergies (no, I don't believe you're allergic to tomatoes, or blue cheese).  Its a HUGE PIA for a restaurant to accomodate an actual allergy, compared to a simple request to leave a certain food out.  And allergen gets a separate prep area, and requires much more care and removes an employee from other tasks.  A simple request means just leaving the food off the damn plate.

The real nuisance here is, people have no damn clue why they're going gluten free, and think gluten is bad for you.  They probably also think its a carb.

And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697

I'm allergic to wheat, oats, tomatoes, onions, lettuce, spinach, carrots, bananas, celery, soy, peanuts, yeast, strawberries, milk, shellfish, gourds and melons. ( those are all "families" so being allergic to say bananas and avocados means I also have a latex allergy. There's whole huge lists of things because of that) Basically if it's a plant and it's not rice, corn, pears, peas or potatoes, im allergic to it.

If they are very well cooked I can tolerate most of them. Most I can tolerate small amounts of.

Since so many people have fake allergies and so many asshole servers and chefs thinks allergies are a joke I usually drop my big ass bag of pills and epipens on the table after I say I have an allergy to whatever and that I'm NOT joking.


aytiws.com
 
2014-07-08 11:13:32 AM  

meat0918: he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.


meat0918: he had no insurance at the time.


Hey, at least his priorities were in order
 
2014-07-08 11:16:06 AM  

Carn: lilplatinum: Muta: lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I

A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.

By the time you are Type II you are pretty much past the "good diet will make it all better" stage as well.

I thought type I was "born with it" and Type II was later onset.  I remember a girl in my neighborhood almost died when we were kids and they found out she was diabetic.  My grandpa was diagnosed with Type II in his later years and I was led to believe it had a lot to do with him being overweight, a smoker, drinker, and general awesome guy.  It has been my understanding that if diet could help, it could help with type II.  People with Type I need to monitor their blood sugar and take insulin for the rest of their lives because their body doesn't produce it.


I was diagnosed as Type 2 in 2010.  "Manageable with medication and changes to lifestyle (diet and exercise)."

Well, I didn't follow the guidelines, and about 18mo ago, was put on insulin injections (and still taking a bunch of meds orally).  I have to do a single nightly injection of insulin.  Still better than my co-worker who injects 5-6 times a day.
 
2014-07-08 11:16:35 AM  
vudukungfu: verbaltoxin: We still have fat-free/low fat stuff all over the shelves

Yep, all the fat is waddling down the chips and cookies aisle.
With crotch gobblins.
]
Who is putting the wood to all these tubs of lard?
There is no self responsibility or self respect anymore.

"Imma git fat and pound out some crib puppies and eat all day" seems to the be whole of life's ambition for many young women out there.

But first, the "Go though college on someone else's dime and shove my malformed, uneducated opinions upon all those around me"

Face it. we don't just take care of the mentally ill in this country. We cater to them.

media.giphy.com
 
hej
2014-07-08 11:17:21 AM  

meat0918: No more good pizza.  No more good beer.  And if he accidentally had some gluten, it was hospital time for him, and he had no insurance at the time.


Which makes his contempt for other people ordering gluten free food rather odd, since common sense suggests it would lower the odds of cross contamination with his food.
 
2014-07-08 11:17:30 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

You're likely still young.  If you do pullups incorrectly, you'll tear out your shoulders eventually.

/Of course I have no idea why anyone would assume you're doing them incorrectly.


I' 35. I don't do crossfit, but I would need to see some data that shows those types of pullups are bad for you.
 
2014-07-08 11:17:36 AM  
I'm pretty sure we're going to say gluten is a superfood in seven years
 
2014-07-08 11:17:59 AM  
You can have a perfectly delicious gluten-free lifestyle with fresh fruit, vegetables, and meat while simultaneously not being an attention whore fad dieter.
 
2014-07-08 11:18:15 AM  

Carn: I thought type I was "born with it" and Type II was later onset.  I remember a girl in my neighborhood almost died when we were kids and they found out she was diabetic.  My grandpa was diagnosed with Type II in his later years and I was led to believe it had a lot to do with him being overweight, a smoker, drinker, and general awesome guy.  It has been my understanding that if diet could help, it could help with type II.  People with Type I need to monitor their blood sugar and take insulin for the rest of their lives because their body doesn't produce it.


Kinda (although Type 1 can be later onset sometimes).   Type 1 is an autoimmune disease where your immune system kills the beta cells in your pancreas that create insulin.   In type 2 your body becomes resistant to Insulin and your pancreas stops working well and making enough.   Managing either disease requires dietary discipline, but the idea that a good fad diet is going to cure your diabetes, regardless of if it is 1 or 2 is just snake oil merchantism.    A diet isn't going to cure an autoimmune disease in type 1, and the damage has been done by the time your fat ass is a type 2.
 
2014-07-08 11:18:15 AM  

Headso: meat0918: he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.

meat0918: he had no insurance at the time.

Hey, at least his priorities were in order


His job history is a little spotty, since before he was diagnosed it was hard to keep a job when you're in and out of the hospital because you didn't know what was wrong with you.
 
2014-07-08 11:18:31 AM  
The Homer Tax:

(snip stuff about maltodextrin)

Even if it's derived from wheat, it doesn't have gluten in it. It's just a sugar, there's no protein in it.

I only got the doctor's explanation second hand, but apparently its a case of potential cross- or latent
contamination. Even a molecule or two of gluten can damage a Celiac's villi.

I had thought that liquors distilled from wheat should all be OK because of the heat of distillation, but
unless its distilled multiple times like vodak (which good whiskeys aren't), there are still trace amounts of
gluten that will cause problems.

Not that my niece (who is 13) should be having booze of any sort, but she needs to know it for future
reference. Rum is better tasting, anyway, and that is definitely gluten free.
 
2014-07-08 11:20:06 AM  
I ended up gluten-free because of a diet the missus (i.e. head-chef) was on.

When I got bored with it after a number of months and started with sandwiches and the odd pizza again, now I get the joint pains, rashes, headaches and my guts doing their best to break the porcelain-throne.

Gluten-free. Not even once :/
 
2014-07-08 11:21:19 AM  

meat0918: Headso: meat0918: he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.

meat0918: he had no insurance at the time.

Hey, at least his priorities were in order

His job history is a little spotty, since before he was diagnosed it was hard to keep a job when you're in and out of the hospital because you didn't know what was wrong with you.


I'm just saying he should be more angry with the people keeping him from affordable or socialized medicine than with the people eating a gluten free diet.
 
2014-07-08 11:21:27 AM  
Since I was a child I've tended to avoid hamburger and hot dog buns, moreso hamburger because in non-fast food restaurants they tend to be humongous and I'd like to actually, you know, taste the burger and toppings and not a crapload of bread.  In recent times, particularly eating out around my hipsterish neighborhood, it never fails that when I ask for a burger without the bun, the first thing the perky tattooed server comes out with is "oh, we have a gluten-free bun!"  If I say no, I just don't want a bun, the second thing that comes out is "are you doing paleo?  We can wrap the burger in lettuce for you!"  Apparently I was trendy before my time ...
 
2014-07-08 11:21:33 AM  

hej: meat0918: No more good pizza.  No more good beer.  And if he accidentally had some gluten, it was hospital time for him, and he had no insurance at the time.

Which makes his contempt for other people ordering gluten free food rather odd, since common sense suggests it would lower the odds of cross contamination with his food.


It's the smug self-righteousness he hates, that and the constant "Oh, nothing is wrong with you, here have a slice of pizza".

I don't think he even goes out to eat anymore, too risky that some asshole back in the kitchen thinks he's just a fad-dieter.
 
2014-07-08 11:22:36 AM  

rev. dave: FTFA, "In the '50s, everyone had ulcers," he says. "Then, it was back problems. Now, it's gluten."

Well people still have stomach problems now known as GERD, and back problems never went away, just fewer surgeries and fewer bad backs from less manual labor.   Bad examples.
A few people don't eat gluten, most are trying to find out if they have food allergies or intolerance.
I just say low-carb since that is generally accepted as a way to stop being fat.


In fairness, my mom's ulcer back in 1987 turned out to be my 3rd little sister.  (By the time she admitted the possibility she was so far along the pregnancy test turned blue in under 10 seconds)
 
2014-07-08 11:24:04 AM  

Headso: meat0918: Headso: meat0918: he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.

meat0918: he had no insurance at the time.

Hey, at least his priorities were in order

His job history is a little spotty, since before he was diagnosed it was hard to keep a job when you're in and out of the hospital because you didn't know what was wrong with you.

I'm just saying he should be more angry with the people keeping him from affordable or socialized medicine than with the people eating a gluten free diet.


I'd agree with that.
 
2014-07-08 11:28:28 AM  

machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair


Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.
 
2014-07-08 11:29:39 AM  

Orgasmatron138: I' 35. I don't do crossfit, but I would need to see some data that shows those types of pullups are bad for you.


"kipping" is universally considered bad by anyone who knows a damn about exercise.  the stress it puts on your rotator cuff is huge and there's no benefit, if not a negative benefit, from a standard issue deadhang pullup.  it just looks all crazy caveman and cool to your crossfit wildling buddies.
 
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