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(Washington Post)   The backlash against gluten free dieting has begun as people who claim to be Celiac are told to eat a pizza once in a while   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 480
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2014-07-08 09:15:40 AM  

Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.


Its just as valid as making up a fake ailment.
 
2014-07-08 09:16:26 AM  

Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


What was before? Atkins and Pilates?
 
2014-07-08 09:17:22 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


Because it is a chance to show quasi-intellectual (and therefore moral) superiority.
 
2014-07-08 09:17:31 AM  

HeartBurnKid: So where was the "gluten free" label?


On the deli case in front of all the meats.

If would be nice if this country had some kind of a fad where everyone decided the next best thing was to eat sensibly, live in moderation, get enough exercise, socialize with their neighbors and build stronger communities.
But no. We need to isolate ourselves in the most urban areas by staring at screens, and staying indoors. We shovel ice cream in our yaps like it's a reward for breathing, not a reward after milking a cow and picking peaches, and churning a crank for hours. We are the most pampered, and weak society in the universe.
No one cares about where their food comes from just that it is there.  And if that douche waiter doesn't get back here with my zen garden, I'm going to have him fired.
 
2014-07-08 09:18:23 AM  

Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


It`s the hypocritical way the guy basically said `your fad diet is wrong but my fad diet is right`.

To people not on a fad diet there isn`t much difference between no gluten, paleo, atkins or any of the fad diets.

It could be argued that your health benefits are probably coming more from doing regular exercise than your diet. You could be on pretty much any healthy diet that is not extreme, do exercise and feel the best you ever have.

That was my experience anyway, the exercise made me feel good and as a result I desired different foods but the different food desires were as a result of the exercise and feeling good, not the other way around.
 
2014-07-08 09:18:30 AM  

lake_huron: Sorry, fructose intolerance is actually a thing.


Yeah, but no one is talking about it.
No one is adopting it.
 
2014-07-08 09:24:57 AM  

Muta: Ker_Thwap: I had an ulcer for most of the 90s, it wasn't fun.  They messed with my diet, no beer, no spicy stuff, etc.  It sucked, and nothing particularly helped.  I eventually got a younger doctor, who said "Ulcer? That's easy, have some antibiotics."  I've been ulcer free since.

Helicobacter pylori.  It is well known that H. Pylori can cause ulcers, but researchers are finding that there is an increase in asthma where H. Pylori has been eradicated.  There is also evidence that its eradication is related to increased obesity.  From the linked article:

There is equally convincing evidence that destroying H. pylori could alter metabolism in ways that increase the risk of obesity. Several research groups, including Blaser's, have found a strong relationship in humans between the bacterium and two stomach hormones, ghrelin and leptin, both of which play central roles in regulating our appetites. Like many hormones, they work as a team, telling us to eat when we are hungry and stop when we are full. The more ghrelin you have in your bloodstream, the more likely you are to overeat. Leptin functions in the opposite way, suppressing the appetite and increasing energy levels. For people whose stomachs are infected with H. pylori, ghrelin became far less detectable after a meal. For the others, levels of the hormone remained high, and the effects are evident. "A generation of kids are growing up without H. pylori regulating their levels of ghrelin,'' Blaser told me. These results suggest that the message to stop eating never makes it to the brain. If those hormones aren't controlled, it becomes far more difficult to control one's weight.


Never had those side effects.  Possibly I had some other sort of bacteria causing the ulcer, but either way, I'd have gladly traded the considerable pain for having to manually monitor my food intake.
 
2014-07-08 09:25:07 AM  

hej: nunyadang: hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.

Because he is a fat farker

Then I would think he'd be happy that there's more food left for him.


Aw. You guys are so cute. I knew you'd come along eventually.

Let me explain it to you. People with celiac disease have to severely restrict what they eat. People who hop on the gluten-is-evil bandwagon make everyone who truly has to avoid gluten look like a trendy dieter rather than a person with a serious illness, which convinces food companies and servers to ignore anyone looking for gluten-free food. Hence, folks with celiac are in more danger (and, yes, celiac disease can be deadly) while the trendy dieters get to keep thinking that they are ssssoooooo much healthier for dumping gluten.

There's also the arrogance of declaring your diet to be as important as someone who must restrict themselves or land in the hospital.

I am neither celiac nor gluten free. I just really hate what my friends are going through because of the latest nutritional fad.
 
2014-07-08 09:25:27 AM  

hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.


My issue is not with folks choosing to NOT eat something, but when they ask my crew to make something entirely different, and often without much alternatives in place, and with expectations that we can shift gears and make something entirely from scratch, on the fly, and with the same quality, and that it will be "the same" as the gluten filled dish, then it's an issue for me and my crew.

When folks have an allergy or condition like Celiac--which I believe is an auto-immune disease as opposed to an allergy, if I remember correctly--I can understand needing alternatives. The problem lies in folks who don't have said allergy, but want to ride the sympathy train to something different than the usual menu, in the thought process that they're going to get something better. Mind you, I can understand it to a degree--for years, folks asked for Kosher meals on planes, because generally the food was better quality, and better prepared--but when folks ask for something that conflicts with their said "allergy" in the same dish, and complain that we left out the part that they liked, because they said they were allergic, that sort of rankles. In foodservice, both large and small, the preparation is reflexive. It has to be, in order to do what we do. When folks break cooks out of that routine, it causes disruptions in the flow of service, and that means the line gets bogged down, and reading fifty brazillion modifiers, making a novella out of a simple order, that's a pain in the tochis. I especially like the folks who order the French Onion soup, with no roll because they want gluten free, and then get miffed with the croutons are left off as well, resulting in soggy mess of cheese sinking to the bottom without the buoyant mass of bread below the cheese to hold it in place, and wonder why their dish didn't look like everyone else's, and then complain bitterly.

Gluten-free is often a gimmick for some folks. I can understand that some folks have a condition, and I sympathize, and do my damnedest to make things work, but likewise, I hope folks will take the time to understand that their "simple" substitutions don't always work, or work in ways that they might not like, and it would be far better to choose a different dish entirely, as opposed to expect folks to change a dish so completely that it can't be recognized. We have a menu for a reason, because that is what we're prepared to do, and a lot of folks seem to think that their "condition" gives them free reign to simply make up their own menu in their head--and THAT portion of the show is what a fair number of folks want to hop on. You see it out in LA a lot. Ordering off the menu? That's just passe, but they don't want to appear to be difficult, or just picky, so some folks prefer to use the allergy excuse when with others to bypass that. Using the excuse of an allergy to avoid something that they just don't like, it's annoying, and worse, it deadens a lot of folks' in the industry's sensitivity to these issues. Because they're being pains in the tochis, and trivializing other folks' actual issues.

The thing is: folks with actual allergies, they know their bodies fair well. They also tend to order with some thought to what can and cannot be done, and simply avoid dishes that have the bane of their existence. I can understand wanting to know if there's something "hidden" in the preparation that they might not think of immediately, which is why if you have a seafood allergy, it's good to check how it's prepared. The owner of the joint I'm at now sends the entire crew into paroxysms, because he uses our flattop to sear scallops and shrimp. We don't do that, because a lot of folks who have a seafood allergy order something like a burger, they aren't thinking that their bread or the seared onions on a sandwich could trigger their allergy. He comes on the line, and sears scallops or shrimp, we have to clean the damn thing down to bare metal after he leaves, which is why we do that sort of thing in separate pans, and keep them single use, so that we don't accidentally send someone into anaphylaxis. Killing someone, or sending them to the hospital when they were just out for a burger, that's not what we like to do. No dying and no bleeding is one of my biggest rules in the kitchen. No one dies on my shift. Very big rule, and I get very cross if folks try to break that one. That goes for customers as well as staff. The owner? He isn't really restaurant folk, and is just running the place for his mother, and is only part owner, and his lack of training shows up a lot, and it drives us batty.
 
2014-07-08 09:26:50 AM  
I have no time for adults who are fussy eaters.  You're boring, and you suck in bed.
 
2014-07-08 09:27:48 AM  

Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


Q:  How do you tell if someone does Crossfit?

A:  Don't worry, they'll tell you.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:21 AM  

vudukungfu: lake_huron: Sorry, fructose intolerance is actually a thing.

Yeah, but no one is talking about it.
No one is adopting it.


Yet.  It's probably next in line.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:32 AM  

Skarekrough: In the past few months I've changed my diet considerably.  I stopped taking a sandwich for lunch and instead have some sort of a prepared lean meat and a vegetable or a salad of some kind.  I've cut down on alcohol to almost nothing (I was a 2 beer a night kinda guy).  Instead of rice or fries with dinner I'll opt for cole slaw or a different vegetable.  If I want a snack I don't got for tortilla chips which is something I used to do alot.

Someone asked me if I was "doing the gluten-free thing" the other day.

To some degree I guess I am.

But mainly I'm trying to maximize the results from the time I spending at the gym every week.  Not surprisingly I found that cutting out the carbs did wonders for me.

If you're doing something for the health reasons don't feel you need to give it a name.  You're just doing it for health reasons.  Hell, you don't even need to discuss or justify it.  If you end up dining somewhere then you deal with it.  Don't ask the world to change because you're different.  They don't have anything invested in you.


I try to eat about 55% high protein 20-25% fats, and 20% carbs . My lifts are much easier if I have some carbs before gym, not too many, a slice of Dave's killer bread and some tuna or chicken, and half a banana. And then, I am always ables to hit that Olympic bar with vigor.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:33 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.


"Because if anyone does anything different to what I dothey're directly insulting me and the way I live my life."

If you think people's outrage over what other people eat is bad wait until you have kids.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:48 AM  

dready zim: o people not on a fad diet there isn`t much difference between no gluten, paleo, atkins or any of the fad diets.

It could be argued that your health benefits are probably coming more from doing regular exercise than your diet. You could be on pretty much any healthy diet that is not extreme, do exercise and feel the best you ever have.

That was my experience anyway, the exercise made me feel good and as a result I desired different foods but the different food desires were as a result of the exercise and feeling good, not the other way around.


I read somewhere (so you know it is true) that healthy weight loss is an 80:20 diet to exercise ratio.  You can burn 500 calories during an hour long, Zone 2 workout or you can consume 500 fewer calories by enjoying the 200 calorie egg white roll-up breakfast show above instead of a 700 calorie gut buster.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:58 AM  
I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway
 
2014-07-08 09:30:29 AM  

TyrantII: Czechzican: Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.

Here's an idea, if you're fat and want to lose weight DON'T FRAKING MAKE CUPCAKES

Here's what 200 calories looks like:


Now you can starve yourself (and advertise that you're a moron that believes in checkout print rubbish), or you can make lots of interesting dishes that you can actually eat quite a lot of and feel full, all the while losing weight.

If you're starving, you're doing it terribly wrong.

Start off by making a egg white wrap for breakfast.



These things are 200+/- calories (with low fat cheese) and will keep you full for a good 4 hours.  I like mine with peppers, onions, feta and hot sauce; but you can easily add whatever veggies you like.  If you dice and freeze your prep stuff on the weekend, it'll only take 10-15 min to throw together and cook as well.

Or you could have a bowl of soggy, air infused candy and be hungry by the time you get to work.


Skip the tortilla and have the egg yolks. Save the tortilla for lunch. Lose the cheese and Throw on some avocado and the extra fat will keep you full much like longer.
 
2014-07-08 09:31:59 AM  

thisdaydreamer: hej: nunyadang: hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.

Because he is a fat farker

Then I would think he'd be happy that there's more food left for him.

Aw. You guys are so cute. I knew you'd come along eventually.

Let me explain it to you. People with celiac disease have to severely restrict what they eat. People who hop on the gluten-is-evil bandwagon make everyone who truly has to avoid gluten look like a trendy dieter rather than a person with a serious illness, which convinces food companies and servers to ignore anyone looking for gluten-free food. Hence, folks with celiac are in more danger (and, yes, celiac disease can be deadly) while the trendy dieters get to keep thinking that they are ssssoooooo much healthier for dumping gluten.

There's also the arrogance of declaring your diet to be as important as someone who must restrict themselves or land in the hospital.

I am neither celiac nor gluten free. I just really hate what my friends are going through because of the latest nutritional fad.


I still think you are fat
 
2014-07-08 09:32:29 AM  
My wife has Celiac, not the I am gluten intolerant celiac, but diagnosed with blood work and colonoscopy celiac after severe stomach pain, anemia, and unintended weight loss. We were on vacation in New Zealand a couple years ago and found a place that served GF pizza. Went in and ordered, GF cheese for her, regular pepperoni for me. Order comes out, my wife is raving at how good the GF pizza is. Mine tastes horrible. That should have been the first clue. About 30 minutes later my wife realizes what had happened. For her it starts with heartburn and with that much gluten goes to nausea pretty quick. Had to race back to the hotel so she could spend the night barfing there instead of the streets of queenstown.
 
2014-07-08 09:32:29 AM  
The swelling ranks of Americans adopting gluten-free diets-

have given rise to another hot trend: people calling the whole thing a bunch of baloney.-


The first is a "trend". The second is simply a normal reaction to the first
 
2014-07-08 09:35:02 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Never had those side effects.  Possibly I had some other sort of bacteria causing the ulcer, but either way, I'd have gladly traded the considerable pain for having to manually monitor my food intake.


H. Pylori is a bacteria that can cause ulcers.  Removing it from your system helped you.  The human body didn't evolve with an ulcer causing bacteria in its gut just to dick with your head.  If that were the case then evolution would have eliminated it long ago.  The bacteria also has some health benefits which you are not experiencing now.  So heads up.
 
2014-07-08 09:37:27 AM  
It's hilarious how many people just go head first into whatever they think is the new health fad because they heard how gluten is bad in passing. It amazes me that people don't research this shiat for themselves to find out what it is. Gluten is a protein. So by eating gluten free bread, you are now eating only the carbohydrates from wheat and getting none of the fiber or protein... Then complain why your blood sugar is up and your getting fatter...
 
2014-07-08 09:38:37 AM  

El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway


Should have asked for condoms.
 
2014-07-08 09:40:32 AM  

yeolcoatl: "Within minutes of eating it, my stomach felt really bad and got bloated and crashed my energy. It made me feel just really bad," says Cheng, 33.

If you're having a reaction before the gluten can even hit your intestine, yeah that's psychosomatic.




That boy needs therapy!
 
2014-07-08 09:41:48 AM  

wren337: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

My good friends 10 year old was diagnosed by an actual doctor with celiac.  They went to Fridays which has a large, prominent gluten free menu.  He was served a burger with a regular bun, ate half and then projectile vomited all over the place.


Lucky kid. I usually end up shiatting all over the place.

If some uppity coont at a restaurant thinks I made up my disease and gives me wheat, I'll go spray my shiat all over their restroom. Thankfully, it hasn't come to that yet.
 
2014-07-08 09:42:34 AM  

Muta: Helicobacter pylori. It is well known that H. Pylori can cause ulcers, but researchers are finding that there is an increase in asthma where H. Pylori has been eradicated. There is also evidence that its eradication is related to increased obesity.


It's amazing how when it no longer hurts when you eat, that people will tend to eat more.
 
2014-07-08 09:43:51 AM  

El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway


On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.
 
2014-07-08 09:44:03 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They have gluten-free pizzacardboard...


FTFY
 
2014-07-08 09:44:41 AM  

CeroX: So by eating gluten free bread, you are now eating only the carbohydrates from wheat


gluten free bread is made using other kinds of flour, you can make a gluten free flour out of cannabis roots for instance.
 
2014-07-08 09:45:12 AM  

dready zim: Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

It`s the hypocritical way the guy basically said `your fad diet is wrong but my fad diet is right`.

To people not on a fad diet there isn`t much difference between no gluten, paleo, atkins or any of the fad diets.

It could be argued that your health benefits are probably coming more from doing regular exercise than your diet. You could be on pretty much any healthy diet that is not extreme, do exercise and feel the best you ever have.

That was my experience anyway, the exercise made me feel good and as a result I desired different foods but the different food desires were as a result of the exercise and feeling good, not the other way around.


Okay, I can see that.  I fully believe, though, that you need both exercise and a solid diet.  You can have either one, but exercising without eating right will impact your performance 

Rapmaster2000: Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

Q:  How do you tell if someone does Crossfit?

A:  Don't worry, they'll tell you.


Very true. ;) But keep in mind that I did not bring up the topic - someone else did.
 
2014-07-08 09:46:05 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: rikkards: DjangoStonereaver: Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.

You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.

Buddy makes a vegan chocolate cake that is to die for. Wifey is allergic to wheat (thank god not celiac) and eggs the one benefit for the gluten-free fad is that it makes it easier to find alternatives. hard part is finding things that don't use eggs as well.

Indeed; in my nieces' brief life the labelling of food has come leaps and bounds forward, which is a boon
to people with legit allergies and food sensitivities.

Still, though, the labelling only goes so far:  for example, anything with 'carmel coloring' or 'natural flavors'
generally are gluten (coming from wheat products), as is 'malto-dextrin', which is generally wheat sugar.
I have seen things that had 'GLUTEN FREE!' on the label with these as ingredients.

However, as my niece used to point out obsessively when she was a young child, Tootsie Rolls are
gluten free.


Maltodextrin doesn't have gluten in it. It's a polysaccharide, it's made up of nothing but a bunch of linked sugars. Gluten is a protein. That's why Foods with Maltodextrin in them can be labeled gluten free.
 
2014-07-08 09:46:29 AM  

El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway


So you lie to avoid junk food? Really?
 
2014-07-08 09:47:29 AM  
A couple weeks ago, I had a bad reaction to a weekend of eating poorly (mostly the beer festival + three slices of greasy pizza). Didn't clear up within a couple days, and there's a family history of gall bladder and intestinal problems, so I went to see the doc. Doc sent me for a CT scan and Ultrasound, since the pain was all over the abdomen, and he wanted to make sure there was no appendicitis or gallstones. CT scan showed some inflammation, so he told me to get myself to a gastrointerologist forthwith.

Went in thinking "oh boy, I've got Crohns or colitis!" Gastrointerologist said "you went to a beer festival and ate pizza. You rightly got the shiats, and the shiats caused the inflammation. We see this sort of thing all the time. Oh by the way, let's test you for Celiac because you haven't been tested."

I haven't gotten that blood work done. If I had Celiac, I'd be dead already.

/A coworker actually has Celiac, it's serious business
//I sound fat, but aren't.
///Story, bro
 
2014-07-08 09:47:33 AM  

CeroX: It's hilarious how many people just go head first into whatever they think is the new health fad because they heard how gluten is bad in passing. It amazes me that people don't research this shiat for themselves to find out what it is. Gluten is a protein. So by eating gluten free bread, you are now eating only the carbohydrates from wheat and getting none of the fiber or protein... Then complain why your blood sugar is up and your getting fatter...


this is why i just keep my head down and ignore this shiat.  there's still a lot to discover about human nutrition and we're learning (and unlearning) things every day.  follow a path that suits your lifestyle and your goals and ignore fads all together.  and FFS get outside and get some exercise.
 
2014-07-08 09:48:01 AM  

moothemagiccow: Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

What was before? Atkins and Pilates?


Never touched the Atkins diet and I'm not flexible enough to do Pilates.  I assume you're asking so that you can make your life journey match my life journey so that one day you can achieve the same results.
 
2014-07-08 09:48:10 AM  
This is a very real thing however it is not celiac or even gluten sensitivity.  It is a wheat sensitivity.  Why didn't people have this problem 20 years ago?  Because the wheat people ate 20 years ago was wheat, whereas the wheat people eat today is a man-made frankenfood with a new protein called gliadin.  It is this protein that many people have issues with. People, being stupid and all, figured they have a gluten problem.  The problem is wheat.

Why do I know about this?  Because I suffer from it.  If I eat wheat any number of things happens... first of all I bloat up.  My digestive system goes to shiat.  I get anxiety which will progressively get worse if I continue to eat wheat over days and will eventually have panic attacks.  I get tinnitus which again worsens with the more wheat I consume.  Other things as well.  My point is this shiat has very real effects and it's not because of a diet fad.

Scientific American article about it:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gluten-sensitivity-may-be- a- misnomer-for-distinct-illnesses-to-various-wheat-proteins/
 
2014-07-08 09:48:35 AM  
I apparently have a true wheat allergy. I went gluten free for months and It made me worse as I lost any tolerance for it at all. I added back in tiny amounts and I'm ok again. I just can't scarf a whole pizza or any pasta. I limit myself to a wheat item once every few days to a week. Sometime I have problems and I just lay off for a while.

I've lost a ton of weight. I have a bunch of allergies now too thanks to the wheat allergy ( it give me stomach ulcers/blisters and that lets other food in my body decides is bad and tries to kill). As long as I'm healed up I can eat whatever. If I have problems then just about any food can make me sick.

It sucks.

The real bad thing is there's so many "gluten free" people out there who aren't really allergic or sick from it and the waiters and chefs know that most people aren't so they don't take it seriously.

Lets not even talk about how the FDA allows gluten in "gluten free" food.
 
2014-07-08 09:49:30 AM  

This text is now purple: Muta: Helicobacter pylori. It is well known that H. Pylori can cause ulcers, but researchers are finding that there is an increase in asthma where H. Pylori has been eradicated. There is also evidence that its eradication is related to increased obesity.

It's amazing how when it no longer hurts when you eat, that people will tend to eat more.


The article covered that.  Basically the h. pylori regulates ghrelin -- the enzyme that signals your brain that you are hungry.  Without h. pylori you have more ghrelin in your system so you feel hungrier and eat more.
 
2014-07-08 09:49:38 AM  
Show me a gluten and I'll knock it out for you
 
2014-07-08 09:49:54 AM  
I feel for you if you really are allergic to gluten but man alive,  WTF. I can't even find food WITH gluten in it anymore.
Especially breakfast, I want my gluten. The percentages lean towards people without the allergy by what, 97%????  Then why is 99% of the menu gluten free??
 
2014-07-08 09:51:32 AM  

hubiestubert: because he uses our flattop to sear scallops and shrimp


Jesum crow.
I worked in kitchens where we never cross contaminated the prep tables.
Like kosher kitchens.

You can't fark around with that.
You get some little bit of anything where it shouldn't be and an entire dish is ruined at the least.

I've had sloppy cooks fired for crap like that.
 
2014-07-08 09:51:36 AM  
frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.
 
My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.


I don't really understand where most of this venom comes from, unless it's just you guys being glib. What bothers you about other people trying to make positive changes in their lives? I can see if they are annoying and don't shut up about it, but in those cases the problem isn't the diet, it's that you choose shiatty people to associate with.

I know a few people with gluten-free diets. One has RA and was advised to try a gluten-free diet by his doctor; he says it has helped him manage his symptoms. Two others (who are already in good shape and healthy) just tried it because they heard you have more energy, and both say that it is true for them.

Fun fact: my dig is wheat gluten intolerant. He sprays diarrhea all over if he eats any food with it. It was kind of gross at our house until we figured THAT out.
 
2014-07-08 09:51:52 AM  

Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway

On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.


The second group is most of the people who "wanted to help out".
Funny thing is, Mrs. Dudereno doesn't cook anyway. I do. She was busy with the baby, and I could still make dinner for the family.
Also, I've found that 'healthy' means very different things to different people. Saying 'gluten free' gave them a much better idea.
 
2014-07-08 09:51:55 AM  

Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain
 
2014-07-08 09:52:42 AM  

yeolcoatl: "Within minutes of eating it, my stomach felt really bad and got bloated and crashed my energy. It made me feel just really bad," says Cheng, 33.

If you're having a reaction before the gluten can even hit your intestine, yeah that's psychosomatic.


Or a true wheat allergy, not celiac.

If I get into something with wheat in it, I feel it right away in my stomach. Feels like I need to burp, but can't. Then progresses to VERY bad heartburn and terrible anxiety as my body tries to make huge amounts of stomach acid to neutralize the wheat.
 
2014-07-08 09:53:08 AM  

Headso: gluten free bread is made using other kinds of flour, you can make a gluten free flour out of cannabis roots for instance.


I can make a gluten free flour out of sawdust shavings, too. Doesn't make it a good idea.
 
2014-07-08 09:53:41 AM  
*dog*

Stupid no-edit FARK.
 
2014-07-08 09:53:54 AM  

hubiestubert: My issue is not with folks choosing to NOT eat something, but when they ask my crew to make something entirely different, and often without much alternatives in place, and with expectations that we can shift gears and make something entirely from scratch, on the fly, and with the same quality, and that it will be "the same" as the gluten filled dish, then it's an issue for me and my crew.


Now, now. You didn't expect any logic or consideration for others here, did you?

Seriously, you're right. It's one thing to ask that you not add onions, and it's quite another to order spaghetti marinara and say that you can't have gluten or tomatoes. Another reason why I get annoyed at the gluten-free-for-health crowd is that they so often feel entitled to turn any menu upside-down. Celiacs shouldn't to that, either, of course,
 
2014-07-08 09:54:36 AM  
As anyone who's ever made bread could tell you, developing the gluten through kneading is a lovely part of the process.

Stop being so mean to gluten.
 
2014-07-08 09:55:12 AM  

Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.


It's not medical advice, its manners.  As a server, people often lied about their allergies (no, I don't believe you're allergic to tomatoes, or blue cheese).  Its a HUGE PIA for a restaurant to accomodate an actual allergy, compared to a simple request to leave a certain food out.  And allergen gets a separate prep area, and requires much more care and removes an employee from other tasks.  A simple request means just leaving the food off the damn plate.

The real nuisance here is, people have no damn clue why they're going gluten free, and think gluten is bad for you.  They probably also think its a carb.

And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697
 
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