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2014-07-08 07:56:37 AM  

Smoking GNU: Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die...

You do know that the people with the actual legitimate problem that goes with needing gluten free food will quite probably die if they ingest too much gluten, right?


He knows. And he hopes they do.
 
2014-07-08 07:56:40 AM  

vudukungfu: I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?


Yeah, really.  You'd be surprised how many lunchmeats have fillers, and how many of those fillers are wheat based.

Or did you really think that "roast beef" you were buying was 100% beef?
 
2014-07-08 07:56:51 AM  

Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This


My good friends 10 year old was diagnosed by an actual doctor with celiac.  They went to Fridays which has a large, prominent gluten free menu.  He was served a burger with a regular bun, ate half and then projectile vomited all over the place.
 
2014-07-08 07:57:08 AM  

rev. dave: I just say low-carb since that is generally accepted as a way to stop being fat.


Ah, a mono dietist. They never work. You always slip back into mixing your macro nutrients then your regulation mechanism falls down and you get fat again. Your diet is just a brute force way of avoiding a fat/carb mix by removing carbs.

I have spent many years discovering those diets never work. I have found what does.

Try not mixing fat and carbs or protein and salt or fat and salt. Your body has a hard time counting the calories of those foods so they are easy to overeat. Then your body naturally regulates calorie intake (without willpower) and you lose weight (unless there is a medical or psychological reason for your overeating)

If you eat your protein with vegetables (carbs) but very low fat, then later have a meal which has your fat and protein but no carbs then you`ll find yourself just wanting to eat the amount of calories your body needs and you will lose weight without `dieting`

I`m now eating as much as I like, never feeling hungry. I go to the gym nowhere near as often as I should but I`m not gaining weight (like I normally do with this amount of activity)

Also I don`t have the `atkins` smell, my energy levels are great, and I`m not consuming my muscle to get carbs...

I should go to the gym a bit more, I`m untoned through just sitting about. At least I`m not getting fat, hehe.
 
2014-07-08 07:58:04 AM  
I want my apples loaded with gluten. I mean injected like a whole pig on one of those BBQ shows do with apple juice, loaded with gluten. Then baked. It would be like an apple shaped apple pie. Add in a little brown sugar dusting and BAM! Someone could make a fortune doing that.
 
2014-07-08 07:58:32 AM  
Oh, and before anybody piles onto me: Fad dieters suck, truly.  But honestly, there's better things to get bent out of shape about.  If you let every stupid thing people do raise your blood pressure, your heart's going to pop like a balloon.

Let people eat what they want to eat.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:06 AM  
If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:34 AM  

Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This


Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:56 AM  

frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.


For the same reason every time the local news covers a comic book convention they show the furries and the fat kids with Spock ears.

Gotta support those prejudices.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:59 AM  

dready zim: My friend brought his GF round. Either she will die soon or is hypochondriac. She is vegetarian and gluten free and a complete pain in the ass.


Hahaha
 
2014-07-08 08:00:20 AM  
it's  odd how many people on fark.com have never met anyone with an actual food allergy and only know people who are faking it, you guys hang out with some weird mofos
 
2014-07-08 08:00:39 AM  
FTA: Jessie Dankos, a 24-year-old grant-management consultant who lives in Arlington, Va., felt bad for a woman she recently met at a wedding who has such a severe reaction to gluten that she has to check the labels on her shampoo to make sure that it doesn't contain traces of the substance.

What? That's not Celiac's which is an inability to digest gluton, either that's a severe allergic reaction to gluton, or this woman is crazy, I'm voting the later.
 
2014-07-08 08:00:50 AM  
"Sometimes, I think it's just for him to be cool in front of the waiters."

I don't think this make the waiters think you're cool. If anything, It probably makes they think you're a pretentious asshole.
 
2014-07-08 08:02:29 AM  

ebenbane: I actually hate gluten free fad dieters. They make me seethe with a deep rage.


You sound fat. Fat and angry.
 
2014-07-08 08:02:53 AM  
I've only ever met one person with celiac and from what I could see it is a truly miserable condition and people hopping on the no gluten bandwagon don't have the slightest idea about the condition they have adopted. Oh you feel bloated after a sandwich? That's nice but it isn't a mouthful of ulcers followed by raging diarrhea nice.
 
2014-07-08 08:02:59 AM  

MindStalker: FTA: Jessie Dankos, a 24-year-old grant-management consultant who lives in Arlington, Va., felt bad for a woman she recently met at a wedding who has such a severe reaction to gluten that she has to check the labels on her shampoo to make sure that it doesn't contain traces of the substance.

What? That's not Celiac's which is an inability to digest gluton, either that's a severe allergic reaction to gluton, or this woman is crazy, I'm voting the later.


Maybe she likes to drink her shampoo?
 
2014-07-08 08:03:06 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.


i disagree.
they put my oldest on a gluten-free diet for 6 months when he was a little guy (enteropathy-related illnesses, especially celiac's are common with the Irish) and I was forever getting trouble for eating the gluten-free snacks my wife would buy.
they were awesome!

of course i also get in trouble for eating the regular snacks my wife buys as well...
i think it simply adds about a 95% price increase.
 
2014-07-08 08:03:28 AM  

Headso: it's  odd how many people on fark.com have never met anyone with an actual food allergy and only know people who are faking it, you guys hang out with some weird mofos


I don't know anyone with a food allergy or anyone that's faking one. The only thing I'm allergic to is cats. So I just cut those out my diet.
 
2014-07-08 08:03:56 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.

You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.


Buddy makes a vegan chocolate cake that is to die for. Wifey is allergic to wheat (thank god not celiac) and eggs the one benefit for the gluten-free fad is that it makes it easier to find alternatives. hard part is finding things that don't use eggs as well.
 
2014-07-08 08:08:51 AM  
One more thing, the diet I propose has no `banned` foods, you can eat anything you like but if you mix carbs and fat, protein and salt, or fat and salt you will need to regulate your calories (portion size) consciously as your body will not regulate them by itself so you *will* want to overeat.

Either eat them mindfully, sparingly or avoid them.
 
2014-07-08 08:10:15 AM  

Cold_Sassy: If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.


uh, what if that "so-called ailment" is Celiac disease?
 
2014-07-08 08:10:17 AM  

Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This


Yes, because an allergy is fatal or it's fake.  Blistering skin or boiling diarrhea isn't fatal so don't call it an allergy.  Pisses me off about people claiming to be allergic to bee stings because they swelled all up like they do on TV.  You didn't die, and you don't carry an eppy pen, you don't have a REAL allergy.

Personally I have a sensitivity to some foods.  I don't claim to be allergic to them, but limit my exposure.  Occasionally I get something with MSG and have gut wrenching pain and diarrhea within half an hour.  I don't make a scene but avoid places that use it.  If I need to discuss it, I will say I am avoiding the substance or have a sensitivity to it.  Allergy would be a perfectly appropriate word, but many people over-react, thinking it's fatal or thinking I'm this hipster straw-man you have constructed.

While I have sympathy for those with fatal allergies, I don't understand their contempt for people who choose to avoid the foods they must avoid.  They acknowledge it has expanded their access to the foods they need, then hate on the people who are eating them for other reasons.

/I suspect a major contributing factor to obesity is because wheat is such a staple in every meal.
//How about we just follow 'Don't be a dick' rule?
 
2014-07-08 08:12:17 AM  

Delta1212: dready zim: My friend brought his GF round. Either she will die soon or is hypochondriac. She is vegetarian and gluten free and a complete pain in the ass.

Hahaha


She used to get bad circulation, headaches, tiredness (basically all the symptoms you get if you are starving yourself almost to the point of death) although many of these problems have gone away since she started eating properly for the baby...
 
2014-07-08 08:13:03 AM  

seancakes: Hector Remarkable: It's not so much what people are eating, it's what is coming out of their ass and how fast it's coming out, and in what manner it's coming out. Of their ass. Very little mention in the article about asses, and how things come out of them, but this is a real reason many people change their diets.

You mean like gold pocketwatches?  Because I hear those are pretty uncomfortable to have in one's ass.


Hmmm, maybe these gluten intolerant people will buy ass-pocket watches to put up their asses to help them with things they are intolerant to from coming out of their asses in an unprescribed manner. i229.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-08 08:13:26 AM  

dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...


I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...
 
2014-07-08 08:13:50 AM  
I'm an event manager for a medium sized company, dealing with everyone's "diet restrictions" can be a huge pain in the ass. Look, there's no way a third of the room is gluten free, vegan or both (somehow...). I'm empathetic if you have a medical issue and will get sick. To make people accommodate your fad diet of the week is really annoying though.
 
2014-07-08 08:14:37 AM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


LETS ROLL SOME COAL FARK YEAH
 
2014-07-08 08:14:42 AM  

Cold_Sassy: If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.


This might be the dumbest thing I've seen in months.
 
2014-07-08 08:15:06 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Czechzican: Later on she'll lament that she is having so many issues losing weight and can't understand why.

Ironically, two of my truly celiac friends were diagnosed after losing a dangerous amount of weight. They are both very happy to have gained weight (and therefore not stuck in a program with anorexics).

I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks. Does your digestive tract do its job? Fantastic. Now shut the hell up and eat the stuff you whine so much about missing. Don't worry. You'll have another fad diet to follow and complain about in a few months, and maybe that one won't be so damn insulting to people with a serious, life-threatening illness.


media.giphy.com
 
2014-07-08 08:15:52 AM  

Headso: it's  odd how many people on fark.com have never met anyone with an actual food allergy and only know people who are faking it, you guys hang out with some weird mofos


I know a person with Celiacs and I also know a bunch of turds that eat gluten free for nebulous reasons.

Like the woman that "just doesn't have enough energy". It's probably not the heavy drinking and poor sleep habits, gotta be gluten.

Though the woman that does have Celiacs is thrilled she can find food in regular grocery stores now instead of shlepping to Mrs. Green's.
 
2014-07-08 08:16:16 AM  

yeolcoatl: "Within minutes of eating it, my stomach felt really bad and got bloated and crashed my energy. It made me feel just really bad," says Cheng, 33.

If you're having a reaction before the gluten can even hit your intestine, yeah that's psychosomatic.


That boy needs therapy.
 
2014-07-08 08:17:05 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Or did you really think that "roast beef" you were buying was 100% beef?


I watched him slice it off the top round.
Cooked on premises.

I'm a bit picky.
that's why I'm single
 
2014-07-08 08:17:53 AM  

Pathman: Cold_Sassy: If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.

uh, what if that "so-called ailment" is Celiac disease?


How about dealing with it?  If this is all that is 'wrong' with you, consider yourself lucky.
 
2014-07-08 08:17:55 AM  
90% of this fad is the result of marketing.  having known several people with horrible gluten allergies, there was a real market there that food companies suddenly seized on.  it all just kind of snowballed from there and gluten became the new carbs.  remember when everything was low-carb?  remember when everything was low-fat?

the moral of the story is; fad diets have been around forever, you'll get over it.  now put down the fork and take a walk fatty.
 
2014-07-08 08:18:48 AM  

Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?


Because this is AMERICA, we use fahrenheit instead.
 
2014-07-08 08:19:58 AM  

dready zim: One more thing, the diet I propose has no `banned` foods, you can eat anything you like but if you mix carbs and fat, protein and salt, or fat and salt you will need to regulate your calories (portion size) consciously as your body will not regulate them by itself so you *will* want to overeat.

Either eat them mindfully, sparingly or avoid them.


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

EIP
 
2014-07-08 08:20:02 AM  

TheGogmagog: I suspect a major contributing factor to obesity is because wheat is such a staple in every meal.


Nope, it`s because many foods have a mix of carbs and fat, which is invisible calories to your body. It just does not count them when seeing if you have eaten enough today.

The fact that many of those foods also contain wheat is just coincidence. You could cut out wheat and it will work but only because you are cutting out many of the `bad` foods as most of the have wheat in.

Imagine if fat and salt were bad for you (which they sort of are) and you decided pork was the culprit. This would make you stop eating bacon (AAAAAAAAARRRGGGHH!) which would stop you eating the fat/salt combo but only indirectly.

You would still eat some of the bad foods, beef dripping on bread with added salt for example because it does not contain pork which would be avoided with a proper view on the actual cause of the problem.

You would get the part of the benefit but with spurious logic.  Correct logic would give you the full benefit and allow you some of the `nice but not bad` foods which contain that ingredient but not in the bad combo (like roast pork)
 
2014-07-08 08:20:39 AM  

Slives: dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...

I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...


is is me being sarcastic but it is also what she actually said...
 
2014-07-08 08:21:24 AM  

dready zim: rev. dave: I just say low-carb since that is generally accepted as a way to stop being fat.

Ah, a mono dietist. They never work. You always slip back into mixing your macro nutrients then your regulation mechanism falls down and you get fat again. Your diet is just a brute force way of avoiding a fat/carb mix by removing carbs.

Also I don`t have the `atkins` smell, my energy levels are great, and I`m not consuming my muscle to get carbs...

I should go to the gym a bit more, I`m untoned through just sitting about. At least I`m not getting fat, hehe.


What the hell is wrong with people.  One person said low-carb and you went off on a rant about Atkins/ zero carb diets?

That's probably the problem with the whole gluten free hate.  One person chooses a gluten free food and everyone builds this straw-man image of that person being a douche to waiters for no reason.
 
2014-07-08 08:23:34 AM  
 
2014-07-08 08:25:12 AM  

bearcats1983: I'm an event manager for a medium sized company, dealing with everyone's "diet restrictions" can be a huge pain in the ass. Look, there's no way a third of the room is gluten free, vegan or both (somehow...). I'm empathetic if you have a medical issue and will get sick. To make people accommodate your fad diet of the week is really annoying though.


This.

Once had to order in a couple dozen lunches for an invite only post seminar gathering for select clients as a way to say thanks. Simple boxed lunch, sandwich, chips, etc...a few days prior they had to call and confirm if they were coming and what they wanted. One lady demanded that we alter the pre-determined catered menu to meet her "condition". She claimed the gluten free thing was on the same level as having a disability. I know of her outside of her profession, funny how this gluten free thing didn't apply to her slamming beers on a restaurant patio the prior week.
 
2014-07-08 08:25:52 AM  

TheGogmagog: One person chooses a gluten free food and everyone builds this straw-man image of that person being a douche to waiters for no reason.


Most people are douches to waiters,
except ex kitchen staffers.
 
2014-07-08 08:26:38 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: 90% of the "gluten free" crowd actually have no idea what gluten really is.
Just ask them.


This!

I'm hoping that one day I can come up with a nice way to ask my customers to tell me, in as few words as possible, what gluten is, what it does and how you know you're allergic to it. If they can answer those questions i'll have my chef prepare a gluten free meal for them.

/has a few close friends with Celiacs disease so I know all about their dietary restrictions.
// not hopeful about the whole Q&A for customers but it was nice to think about it
 
2014-07-08 08:26:59 AM  
It's definitely over-self-diagnosed but that's the magic of the interwebby.
 
2014-07-08 08:27:50 AM  

wren337: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

My good friends 10 year old was diagnosed by an actual doctor with celiac.  They went to Fridays which has a large, prominent gluten free menu.  He was served a burger with a regular bun, ate half and then projectile vomited all over the place.


As mentioned above my wife isn't celilac but has been diagnosed with a mild allergy to wheat. It isn't bad enough that if she gets exposed through cross contamination but if she eats a wheat bun she will know a short time that she did later in the bathroom. As with allergies, more exposure can make the reaction get worse so she avoids it as much as she can.  She can eat gluten (i.e kamut) but it is easier to find gluten-free products.
What was surprising was finding a vodka that isn't grain-based nowadays. We found a couple but it was amazing to see how many are.

But yeah there are people who have got on the gluten bad bandwagon for no reason
 
2014-07-08 08:28:17 AM  
Things Farkers tend to dislike:

1.  Hypochondriac fad-hopping attention-seekers.
2.  Companies that exploit #1.
 
2014-07-08 08:30:13 AM  

bearcats1983: I'm an event manager for a medium sized company, dealing with everyone's "diet restrictions" can be a huge pain in the ass. Look, there's no way a third of the room is gluten free, vegan or both (somehow...). I'm empathetic if you have a medical issue and will get sick. To make people accommodate your fad diet of the week is really annoying though.


Maybe I'm just the naive one here.  If you have a low carb or no MSG option I'm going to take it.  If you don't I won't eat there or just a little bit depending on how sensitive my stomach has been and the restroom situation.  If people are really as obnoxious as you say they are go on and hate on them, but maybe hate on them for being obnoxious asses rather than for wanting to avoid wheat.
 
2014-07-08 08:31:54 AM  

vudukungfu: TheGogmagog: One person chooses a gluten free food and everyone builds this straw-man image of that person being a douche to waiters for no reason.

Most people are douches to waiters,
except ex kitchen staffers.


Ok, I guess it's just me.  (see above).  Hate on them for being douches, not for wanting to avoid eating something.

/Spouse was waitress/kitchen staff so I guess I've never considered being an ass to them.
 
2014-07-08 08:32:20 AM  
I also try not to make a point of calling bullshiate on everybody's ailments.  I know I ate gluten free for years because an ex had psoriasis and apparently it helped her skin condition.  When we would eat out I would indulge my pasta and/or bread cravings but at home I never ate that stuff.

In retrospect I should probably go back on that diet, it certainly helps one avoid putting on layers of carb blubber.
 
2014-07-08 08:35:22 AM  

Technoir: dready zim: One more thing, the diet I propose has no `banned` foods, you can eat anything you like but if you mix carbs and fat, protein and salt, or fat and salt you will need to regulate your calories (portion size) consciously as your body will not regulate them by itself so you *will* want to overeat.

Either eat them mindfully, sparingly or avoid them.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

EIP


I got them from `fat vs sugar`, a horizon programme on UK TV where two doctors (who are also twins) changed their diet for a month and one cut out fat and one cut out carbs to see the health effects of both and to see which wqas causing the rising tide of obesity. They did endurance tests and other tests during the month, looked at their appetite and did tests on themselves after a month.

They found the no fat diet lead a person to produce LESS insulin and become MORE sensitive to it, leading to more efficient processing of carbs, weight loss through appetite regulation and loss of fat. Apart from the missing nutrients in the fats there were no negative effects.

They found the no carbs diet lead a person to produce MORE insulin and become LESS sensitive to it, leading to less efficient processing of carbs, weight loss through appetite regulation and loss of fat AND MUSCLE.

Turns out that eating no carbs is putting you on the road to diabetes (increased insulin production + reduced sensitivity to insulin) and you lose about as much muscle as fat on the diet (because you eat your muscle to produce ketones for energy). It was seen as having a negative effect on health and not recommended.

They also looked at an experiment with rats where they were fed three extreme diet supplements. They had normal food and either a lump of fat (butter) a lump of carbs (sugar) or a mix of both (cheesecake)

with the lump of fat they would eat a bit of it but mostly eat their normal food and maintained a normal weight.

with the lump of sugar they would eat a bit of it but mostly eat their normal food and maintained a normal weight.

with the 50/50 mix of carbs and fat they would exclusively eat the carbs/fat mix (just grazing, not eating a full meal) and not eat their normal food and gained a huge amount of weight from not managing their calorie intake...

Draw your own conclusions but the ones I drew have lead me to not diet and still lose weight and not smell and have good energy levels and also eat what I like and maintain muscle mass easily etc...
 
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