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2014-07-08 03:04:30 AM  
I have a friend on facebook that constantly shares gluten-free recipes for rubbish food, like cookies and cupcakes with a note saying she's going to make them that day and then eventually follows up saying how great they were and that her kids loved them,etc. Later on she'll lament that she is having so many issues losing weight and can't understand why.

After trying to explain to her that she is eating a lot of rubbish, she'll retort that gluten free cookies are much more healthier than regular cookies, so it can't possibly be the reason.

Some people...
 
2014-07-08 04:45:57 AM  

Czechzican: Later on she'll lament that she is having so many issues losing weight and can't understand why.


Ironically, two of my truly celiac friends were diagnosed after losing a dangerous amount of weight. They are both very happy to have gained weight (and therefore not stuck in a program with anorexics).

I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks. Does your digestive tract do its job? Fantastic. Now shut the hell up and eat the stuff you whine so much about missing. Don't worry. You'll have another fad diet to follow and complain about in a few months, and maybe that one won't be so damn insulting to people with a serious, life-threatening illness.
 
2014-07-08 04:53:45 AM  
Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.
 
2014-07-08 07:17:34 AM  
Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.
 
2014-07-08 07:17:49 AM  
They have gluten-free pizza...
 
2014-07-08 07:17:56 AM  
Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.
 
2014-07-08 07:18:28 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Czechzican: Later on she'll lament that she is having so many issues losing weight and can't understand why.

Ironically, two of my truly celiac friends were diagnosed after losing a dangerous amount of weight. They are both very happy to have gained weight (and therefore not stuck in a program with anorexics).

I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks. Does your digestive tract do its job? Fantastic. Now shut the hell up and eat the stuff you whine so much about missing. Don't worry. You'll have another fad diet to follow and complain about in a few months, and maybe that one won't be so damn insulting to people with a serious, life-threatening illness.


So much this.
 
2014-07-08 07:19:23 AM  
Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.
 
2014-07-08 07:20:59 AM  
I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?
 
2014-07-08 07:22:05 AM  

Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?


Not in it's library, possibly. Just add it in there.
 
2014-07-08 07:22:46 AM  
90% of the "gluten free" crowd actually have no idea what gluten really is.
Just ask them.
 
2014-07-08 07:24:57 AM  
I actually hate gluten free fad dieters. They make me seethe with a deep rage.
 
2014-07-08 07:25:31 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


The gluten free folk often want to make it everyone else's business what goes in to their mouth.
 
2014-07-08 07:26:56 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?


Are you british? The brits spell it "coeliac"
 
2014-07-08 07:27:28 AM  

Smoking GNU: Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?

Not in it's library, possibly. Just add it in there.


It's FARK's spellchecker, not mine.  But thank you anyway sweetie :)
 
2014-07-08 07:29:55 AM  
I think people like these special diets because it makes them stand out.  Everyone has to accommodate their needs so they get the trump card when selecting a restaurant.  It gives them power over the group.
 
2014-07-08 07:30:09 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.


You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.
 
2014-07-08 07:30:33 AM  

Smoking GNU: Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?

Not in it's library, possibly. Just add it in there.


PS.  How did you wind up where you are?  Are you stationed there for work?
 
2014-07-08 07:31:09 AM  

ebenbane: I actually hate gluten free fad dieters. They make me seethe with a deep rage.


I have gluten intolerance and why any one would fad diet it is beyond me. feel free to slap them about.
 
2014-07-08 07:31:59 AM  
fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.
 
2014-07-08 07:32:02 AM  
Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet


You could play "Terrible Pop Fad Bingo" with this guy, holy hell.
 
2014-07-08 07:32:28 AM  
"Within minutes of eating it, my stomach felt really bad and got bloated and crashed my energy. It made me feel just really bad," says Cheng, 33.

If you're having a reaction before the gluten can even hit your intestine, yeah that's psychosomatic.
 
2014-07-08 07:32:49 AM  
FTFA, "In the '50s, everyone had ulcers," he says. "Then, it was back problems. Now, it's gluten."

Well people still have stomach problems now known as GERD, and back problems never went away, just fewer surgeries and fewer bad backs from less manual labor.   Bad examples.
A few people don't eat gluten, most are trying to find out if they have food allergies or intolerance.
I just say low-carb since that is generally accepted as a way to stop being fat.
 
2014-07-08 07:35:06 AM  
It's not so much what people are eating, it's what is coming out of their ass and how fast it's coming out, and in what manner it's coming out. Of their ass. Very little mention in the article about asses, and how things come out of them, but this is a real reason many people change their diets.
 
2014-07-08 07:37:32 AM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


You do know that the people with the actual legitimate problem that goes with needing gluten free food will quite probably die if they ingest too much gluten, right?
 
2014-07-08 07:39:17 AM  
I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?

What's next?
Fructose intolerance?

Nation of pussies.
If you have a dietary issue that is real and proven, that's one thing, but when the nation turns on whims, fads, and made up BS like a religion, then you see crap like labeling apples "Gluten Free" as marketing gimmicks.

And that's why we can't have nice things.
 
2014-07-08 07:39:57 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Smoking GNU: Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?

Not in it's library, possibly. Just add it in there.

PS.  How did you wind up where you are?  Are you stationed there for work?


If you mean my current location of residence, i was born here and raised  alternatively between here and the Western Cape, South Africa.
 
2014-07-08 07:40:03 AM  
No matter what your nutritionist told you, there is no test for gluten "sensitivity"
 
2014-07-08 07:40:20 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?


Because it's not a real disease...
 
2014-07-08 07:43:26 AM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


You must not be that farking sick if you care about the .1%.
 
2014-07-08 07:43:26 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


This is very true. It is exactly this that makes it so annoying when people without celiac have to tell everyone they know everything they have been eating.

My friend brought his GF round. Either she will die soon or is hypochondriac. She is vegetarian and gluten free and a complete pain in the ass.

Never happy, always complaining. They tried for a baby but unfortunately the first one miscarried because she was not eating properly.

Luckily she is dating my friend who takes no shiat in many areas (god knows what he is doing with her) and he made her eat real food before they tried again (now they have a lovely little girl)

Anyway, when he brought her round it was like a game of guess and tell with a depressed mute. You would ask her what she *could* eat and she would just say what she could *not* eat (not helpful, thanks) then if you suggested foods she would eliminate all of them based on various dietary restrictions.

Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.

There was literally nothing she would accept to eat. So we took her and him to a restaurant and told her to order what she liked (just to see) she ordered fish with a herb butter and potatoes...

As I say, complete pain in the ass.

To me she typifies the food obsessed whiny farkers who found out as a child that complaining got them better food and they took it to a mental level as an adult.

I don`t care what you eat. Spend loads on foods that don`t really give you any benefit or offset any deficit. I don`t care.

Just shut up about it. I don`t want to know unless I am cooking you food in which case list what you CAN eat and still shut up about what you can`t...
 
2014-07-08 07:43:36 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


There's a huge difference between accommodating a real restriction (when I go out to dinner with my friend L., who genuinely has Celiac, we choose a restaurant where there will be choices for her) and people who are frankly just being difficult because they like to feel special.

Personally, I'm "invested" when a friend no longer wants to go to the best pizza restaurant in town because they don't have good gluten-free pizza, or when I can't have that person over for dinner with other friends because they won't eat what I cook, or when every meal out becomes an interrogation of the waitron -- and that self-diagnosed friend doesn't actually have anything wrong with them.

And even people who do have genuine restrictions can deal with it well or deal with it selfishly. CSB: I used to have a colleague, M., who had a severe, life-threatening allergy to garlic. So anytime we ate out, which was pretty often given the nature of the job, he would find something he liked on the menu and ask the waitron "does it have garlic?". The waitron would dutifully go back and ask the chef. By the time they returned, M. would have spotted something else he liked and would ask "does this have garlic?". Wash, rinse, repeat, while the rest of us sit around waiting to order, until somebody else at the table finally loses patience and says "why don't you just ask what they can make without garlic?". Every. Freaking. Time.

So yes, sometimes it is our business, when people inflict their restrictions -- real or imagined -- on everybody else.
 
2014-07-08 07:43:49 AM  

vudukungfu: I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?

What's next?
Fructose intolerance?

Nation of pussies.
If you have a dietary issue that is real and proven, that's one thing, but when the nation turns on whims, fads, and made up BS like a religion, then you see crap like labeling apples "Gluten Free" as marketing gimmicks.

And that's why we can't have nice things.


We still have fat-free/low fat stuff all over the shelves, even though it's been shown eating fat doesn't make you fat, and in fact fat is something you need and helps you feel full, so you don't eat as much.

/Skim milk is just f*cking milk water. They used to throw it out until dairies learned that they could sell it as "fat free" milk.
 
2014-07-08 07:44:23 AM  

Zenith: ebenbane: I actually hate gluten free fad dieters. They make me seethe with a deep rage.

I have gluten intolerance and why any one would fad diet it is beyond me. feel free to slap them about.


Because people can be dumb sometimes.  I don't mind stores and restaurants offering gluten-free options since there are actually people that need them, but I think a lot of people heard about gluten free and thought it was inherently healthier when the truth is not necessarily.
 
2014-07-08 07:45:25 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Smoking GNU: Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?

Not in it's library, possibly. Just add it in there.

It's FARK's spellchecker, not mine.  But thank you anyway sweetie :)


As far as I know spellcheck is built into your browser, not Fark. On Chrome for example, just under the list of suggested spellings is the "add to dictionary" option.
 
2014-07-08 07:45:36 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Ironically, two of my truly celiac friends were diagnosed after losing a dangerous amount of weight. They are both very happy to have gained weight (and therefore not stuck in a program with anorexics).

I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks. Does your digestive tract do its job? Fantastic. Now shut the hell up and eat the stuff you whine so much about missing. Don't worry. You'll have another fad diet to follow and complain about in a few months, and maybe that one won't be so damn insulting to people with a serious, life-threatening illness.


This...Also, in all my years, I have only met one friend in person with Celiac disease, and another online. I don't get a diet that caters to a small, small minority of people that realistically has no health benefit.
 
2014-07-08 07:45:48 AM  

Hector Remarkable: It's not so much what people are eating, it's what is coming out of their ass and how fast it's coming out, and in what manner it's coming out. Of their ass. Very little mention in the article about asses, and how things come out of them, but this is a real reason many people change their diets.


You mean like gold pocketwatches?  Because I hear those are pretty uncomfortable to have in one's ass.
 
2014-07-08 07:46:27 AM  
 
2014-07-08 07:46:40 AM  

frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.


I've heard paleo described as half of a good idea. Probably much if not all of the benefit people see comes from simply paying attention to what they are eating and not eating processed crap.

And I feel bad for celiacs. They now have easy access to more gluten free stuff but at the cost of having to put up with their serious condition being aped by moron fadsters.
 
2014-07-08 07:47:20 AM  

Muta: I think people like these special diets because it makes them stand out.  Everyone has to accommodate their needs so they get the trump card when selecting a restaurant.  It gives them power over the group.


I think you're right, it must be a power trip, but in the end I think it just boils down to this...

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-08 07:48:07 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


Three words: Gluten Free Beer

Just have a glass of wine if you want to be gluten free at the bar. Do we really need yet another frankenfood? Like sugar free grape jelly. Just...how? Have you ever had grapes? They're basically sugar and water. How are you mashing them up, jarring them and removing the sugar?

How?

HOW?!?

I actually don't care all that much but my first train was early (farking early!) and now my backup train is late (late! farking late!)
 
2014-07-08 07:48:53 AM  

vudukungfu: I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?

What's next?
Fructose intolerance?

Nation of pussies.
If you have a dietary issue that is real and proven, that's one thing, but when the nation turns on whims, fads, and made up BS like a religion, then you see crap like labeling apples "Gluten Free" as marketing gimmicks.

And that's why we can't have nice things.


As always, the voice of reason.

When it's getting real, that is.
 
2014-07-08 07:51:06 AM  
I used to think I was lactose intolerant, but it turned out I'm intolerant of pretty much everything.
 
2014-07-08 07:52:25 AM  

Smoking GNU: Cold_Sassy: Smoking GNU: Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?

Not in it's library, possibly. Just add it in there.

PS.  How did you wind up where you are?  Are you stationed there for work?

If you mean my current location of residence, i was born here and raised  alternatively between here and the Western Cape, South Africa.


OK.  When your profile mentioned that you were there, "unfortunately", I just wondered what your circumstances were.  I hope you get to be somewhere you want to be while you can still enjoy it.
 
2014-07-08 07:52:25 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Czechzican: Later on she'll lament that she is having so many issues losing weight and can't understand why.

Ironically, two of my truly celiac friends were diagnosed after losing a dangerous amount of weight. They are both very happy to have gained weight (and therefore not stuck in a program with anorexics).

I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks. Does your digestive tract do its job? Fantastic. Now shut the hell up and eat the stuff you whine so much about missing. Don't worry. You'll have another fad diet to follow and complain about in a few months, and maybe that one won't be so damn insulting to people with a serious, life-threatening illness.


My sister has celiac, which she discovered when she tried out a vegan diet and it went about the way you'd expect for someone with celiac.

Anyway, this was a little bit before the whole "gluten-free everywhere" became a thing, but we'd had a family friend who'd been diagnosed many years previously so she was aware of it and thought "maybe I have that."

Now, being frank, she's the type of person who would think she might have something that she didn't. Not a full on hypochondriac, but some occasional tendencies in that direction, so my family sort of all rolled our eyes and let her go with it until we took her to a doctor to get tested and oops, I guess she was right.

Anyway, my girlfriend's sister is also on a gluten free diet except in her case she's just trying to lose weight. Yeah...
 
2014-07-08 07:53:14 AM  
Would you believe there's gluten-free dog food? That's the new fad down at my pet-food store, all the bags of  the expensive dog food have "GLUTEN-FREE!!!" added to the labeling. Since when do dogs have celiac disease?
 
2014-07-08 07:54:30 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.


So....most British cuisine is gluten-free?
 
2014-07-08 07:55:20 AM  

Czechzican: Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.


Being overweight is definitely not healthy. You can get away with until yiur mid thirties when your heart, knees, hips, back, and lungs start to fark up, and your pancreas can't keep up with insulin demands any more.
 
2014-07-08 07:55:24 AM  

verbaltoxin: We still have fat-free/low fat stuff all over the shelves


Yep, all the fat is waddling down the chips and cookies aisle.
With crotch gobblins.
]
Who is putting the wood to all these tubs of lard?
There is no self responsibility or self respect anymore.

"Imma git fat and pound out some crib puppies and eat all day" seems to the be whole of life's ambition for many young women out there.

But first, the "Go though college on someone else's dime and shove my malformed, uneducated opinions upon all those around me"

Face it. we don't just take care of the mentally ill in this country. We cater to them.
 
2014-07-08 07:55:41 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Cold_Sassy: Smoking GNU: Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?

Not in it's library, possibly. Just add it in there.

It's FARK's spellchecker, not mine.  But thank you anyway sweetie :)

As far as I know spellcheck is built into your browser, not Fark. On Chrome for example, just under the list of suggested spellings is the "add to dictionary" option.


Huh, I just got schooled.  Thanks for the info.
 
2014-07-08 07:56:37 AM  

Smoking GNU: Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die...

You do know that the people with the actual legitimate problem that goes with needing gluten free food will quite probably die if they ingest too much gluten, right?


He knows. And he hopes they do.
 
2014-07-08 07:56:40 AM  

vudukungfu: I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?


Yeah, really.  You'd be surprised how many lunchmeats have fillers, and how many of those fillers are wheat based.

Or did you really think that "roast beef" you were buying was 100% beef?
 
2014-07-08 07:56:51 AM  

Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This


My good friends 10 year old was diagnosed by an actual doctor with celiac.  They went to Fridays which has a large, prominent gluten free menu.  He was served a burger with a regular bun, ate half and then projectile vomited all over the place.
 
2014-07-08 07:57:08 AM  

rev. dave: I just say low-carb since that is generally accepted as a way to stop being fat.


Ah, a mono dietist. They never work. You always slip back into mixing your macro nutrients then your regulation mechanism falls down and you get fat again. Your diet is just a brute force way of avoiding a fat/carb mix by removing carbs.

I have spent many years discovering those diets never work. I have found what does.

Try not mixing fat and carbs or protein and salt or fat and salt. Your body has a hard time counting the calories of those foods so they are easy to overeat. Then your body naturally regulates calorie intake (without willpower) and you lose weight (unless there is a medical or psychological reason for your overeating)

If you eat your protein with vegetables (carbs) but very low fat, then later have a meal which has your fat and protein but no carbs then you`ll find yourself just wanting to eat the amount of calories your body needs and you will lose weight without `dieting`

I`m now eating as much as I like, never feeling hungry. I go to the gym nowhere near as often as I should but I`m not gaining weight (like I normally do with this amount of activity)

Also I don`t have the `atkins` smell, my energy levels are great, and I`m not consuming my muscle to get carbs...

I should go to the gym a bit more, I`m untoned through just sitting about. At least I`m not getting fat, hehe.
 
2014-07-08 07:58:04 AM  
I want my apples loaded with gluten. I mean injected like a whole pig on one of those BBQ shows do with apple juice, loaded with gluten. Then baked. It would be like an apple shaped apple pie. Add in a little brown sugar dusting and BAM! Someone could make a fortune doing that.
 
2014-07-08 07:58:32 AM  
Oh, and before anybody piles onto me: Fad dieters suck, truly.  But honestly, there's better things to get bent out of shape about.  If you let every stupid thing people do raise your blood pressure, your heart's going to pop like a balloon.

Let people eat what they want to eat.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:06 AM  
If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:34 AM  

Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This


Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:56 AM  

frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.


For the same reason every time the local news covers a comic book convention they show the furries and the fat kids with Spock ears.

Gotta support those prejudices.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:59 AM  

dready zim: My friend brought his GF round. Either she will die soon or is hypochondriac. She is vegetarian and gluten free and a complete pain in the ass.


Hahaha
 
2014-07-08 08:00:20 AM  
it's  odd how many people on fark.com have never met anyone with an actual food allergy and only know people who are faking it, you guys hang out with some weird mofos
 
2014-07-08 08:00:39 AM  
FTA: Jessie Dankos, a 24-year-old grant-management consultant who lives in Arlington, Va., felt bad for a woman she recently met at a wedding who has such a severe reaction to gluten that she has to check the labels on her shampoo to make sure that it doesn't contain traces of the substance.

What? That's not Celiac's which is an inability to digest gluton, either that's a severe allergic reaction to gluton, or this woman is crazy, I'm voting the later.
 
2014-07-08 08:00:50 AM  
"Sometimes, I think it's just for him to be cool in front of the waiters."

I don't think this make the waiters think you're cool. If anything, It probably makes they think you're a pretentious asshole.
 
2014-07-08 08:02:29 AM  

ebenbane: I actually hate gluten free fad dieters. They make me seethe with a deep rage.


You sound fat. Fat and angry.
 
2014-07-08 08:02:53 AM  
I've only ever met one person with celiac and from what I could see it is a truly miserable condition and people hopping on the no gluten bandwagon don't have the slightest idea about the condition they have adopted. Oh you feel bloated after a sandwich? That's nice but it isn't a mouthful of ulcers followed by raging diarrhea nice.
 
2014-07-08 08:02:59 AM  

MindStalker: FTA: Jessie Dankos, a 24-year-old grant-management consultant who lives in Arlington, Va., felt bad for a woman she recently met at a wedding who has such a severe reaction to gluten that she has to check the labels on her shampoo to make sure that it doesn't contain traces of the substance.

What? That's not Celiac's which is an inability to digest gluton, either that's a severe allergic reaction to gluton, or this woman is crazy, I'm voting the later.


Maybe she likes to drink her shampoo?
 
2014-07-08 08:03:06 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.


i disagree.
they put my oldest on a gluten-free diet for 6 months when he was a little guy (enteropathy-related illnesses, especially celiac's are common with the Irish) and I was forever getting trouble for eating the gluten-free snacks my wife would buy.
they were awesome!

of course i also get in trouble for eating the regular snacks my wife buys as well...
i think it simply adds about a 95% price increase.
 
2014-07-08 08:03:28 AM  

Headso: it's  odd how many people on fark.com have never met anyone with an actual food allergy and only know people who are faking it, you guys hang out with some weird mofos


I don't know anyone with a food allergy or anyone that's faking one. The only thing I'm allergic to is cats. So I just cut those out my diet.
 
2014-07-08 08:03:56 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.

You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.


Buddy makes a vegan chocolate cake that is to die for. Wifey is allergic to wheat (thank god not celiac) and eggs the one benefit for the gluten-free fad is that it makes it easier to find alternatives. hard part is finding things that don't use eggs as well.
 
2014-07-08 08:08:51 AM  
One more thing, the diet I propose has no `banned` foods, you can eat anything you like but if you mix carbs and fat, protein and salt, or fat and salt you will need to regulate your calories (portion size) consciously as your body will not regulate them by itself so you *will* want to overeat.

Either eat them mindfully, sparingly or avoid them.
 
2014-07-08 08:10:15 AM  

Cold_Sassy: If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.


uh, what if that "so-called ailment" is Celiac disease?
 
2014-07-08 08:10:17 AM  

Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This


Yes, because an allergy is fatal or it's fake.  Blistering skin or boiling diarrhea isn't fatal so don't call it an allergy.  Pisses me off about people claiming to be allergic to bee stings because they swelled all up like they do on TV.  You didn't die, and you don't carry an eppy pen, you don't have a REAL allergy.

Personally I have a sensitivity to some foods.  I don't claim to be allergic to them, but limit my exposure.  Occasionally I get something with MSG and have gut wrenching pain and diarrhea within half an hour.  I don't make a scene but avoid places that use it.  If I need to discuss it, I will say I am avoiding the substance or have a sensitivity to it.  Allergy would be a perfectly appropriate word, but many people over-react, thinking it's fatal or thinking I'm this hipster straw-man you have constructed.

While I have sympathy for those with fatal allergies, I don't understand their contempt for people who choose to avoid the foods they must avoid.  They acknowledge it has expanded their access to the foods they need, then hate on the people who are eating them for other reasons.

/I suspect a major contributing factor to obesity is because wheat is such a staple in every meal.
//How about we just follow 'Don't be a dick' rule?
 
2014-07-08 08:12:17 AM  

Delta1212: dready zim: My friend brought his GF round. Either she will die soon or is hypochondriac. She is vegetarian and gluten free and a complete pain in the ass.

Hahaha


She used to get bad circulation, headaches, tiredness (basically all the symptoms you get if you are starving yourself almost to the point of death) although many of these problems have gone away since she started eating properly for the baby...
 
2014-07-08 08:13:03 AM  

seancakes: Hector Remarkable: It's not so much what people are eating, it's what is coming out of their ass and how fast it's coming out, and in what manner it's coming out. Of their ass. Very little mention in the article about asses, and how things come out of them, but this is a real reason many people change their diets.

You mean like gold pocketwatches?  Because I hear those are pretty uncomfortable to have in one's ass.


Hmmm, maybe these gluten intolerant people will buy ass-pocket watches to put up their asses to help them with things they are intolerant to from coming out of their asses in an unprescribed manner. i229.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-08 08:13:26 AM  

dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...


I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...
 
2014-07-08 08:13:50 AM  
I'm an event manager for a medium sized company, dealing with everyone's "diet restrictions" can be a huge pain in the ass. Look, there's no way a third of the room is gluten free, vegan or both (somehow...). I'm empathetic if you have a medical issue and will get sick. To make people accommodate your fad diet of the week is really annoying though.
 
2014-07-08 08:14:37 AM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


LETS ROLL SOME COAL FARK YEAH
 
2014-07-08 08:14:42 AM  

Cold_Sassy: If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.


This might be the dumbest thing I've seen in months.
 
2014-07-08 08:15:06 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Czechzican: Later on she'll lament that she is having so many issues losing weight and can't understand why.

Ironically, two of my truly celiac friends were diagnosed after losing a dangerous amount of weight. They are both very happy to have gained weight (and therefore not stuck in a program with anorexics).

I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks. Does your digestive tract do its job? Fantastic. Now shut the hell up and eat the stuff you whine so much about missing. Don't worry. You'll have another fad diet to follow and complain about in a few months, and maybe that one won't be so damn insulting to people with a serious, life-threatening illness.


media.giphy.com
 
2014-07-08 08:15:52 AM  

Headso: it's  odd how many people on fark.com have never met anyone with an actual food allergy and only know people who are faking it, you guys hang out with some weird mofos


I know a person with Celiacs and I also know a bunch of turds that eat gluten free for nebulous reasons.

Like the woman that "just doesn't have enough energy". It's probably not the heavy drinking and poor sleep habits, gotta be gluten.

Though the woman that does have Celiacs is thrilled she can find food in regular grocery stores now instead of shlepping to Mrs. Green's.
 
2014-07-08 08:16:16 AM  

yeolcoatl: "Within minutes of eating it, my stomach felt really bad and got bloated and crashed my energy. It made me feel just really bad," says Cheng, 33.

If you're having a reaction before the gluten can even hit your intestine, yeah that's psychosomatic.


That boy needs therapy.
 
2014-07-08 08:17:05 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Or did you really think that "roast beef" you were buying was 100% beef?


I watched him slice it off the top round.
Cooked on premises.

I'm a bit picky.
that's why I'm single
 
2014-07-08 08:17:53 AM  

Pathman: Cold_Sassy: If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.

uh, what if that "so-called ailment" is Celiac disease?


How about dealing with it?  If this is all that is 'wrong' with you, consider yourself lucky.
 
2014-07-08 08:17:55 AM  
90% of this fad is the result of marketing.  having known several people with horrible gluten allergies, there was a real market there that food companies suddenly seized on.  it all just kind of snowballed from there and gluten became the new carbs.  remember when everything was low-carb?  remember when everything was low-fat?

the moral of the story is; fad diets have been around forever, you'll get over it.  now put down the fork and take a walk fatty.
 
2014-07-08 08:18:48 AM  

Cold_Sassy: I eat pizza all the time.  It is my favorite food.  Of course, I have never claimed I had Celiac disease.  Why is spellchecker tagging Celiac as a typo?


Because this is AMERICA, we use fahrenheit instead.
 
2014-07-08 08:19:58 AM  

dready zim: One more thing, the diet I propose has no `banned` foods, you can eat anything you like but if you mix carbs and fat, protein and salt, or fat and salt you will need to regulate your calories (portion size) consciously as your body will not regulate them by itself so you *will* want to overeat.

Either eat them mindfully, sparingly or avoid them.


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

EIP
 
2014-07-08 08:20:02 AM  

TheGogmagog: I suspect a major contributing factor to obesity is because wheat is such a staple in every meal.


Nope, it`s because many foods have a mix of carbs and fat, which is invisible calories to your body. It just does not count them when seeing if you have eaten enough today.

The fact that many of those foods also contain wheat is just coincidence. You could cut out wheat and it will work but only because you are cutting out many of the `bad` foods as most of the have wheat in.

Imagine if fat and salt were bad for you (which they sort of are) and you decided pork was the culprit. This would make you stop eating bacon (AAAAAAAAARRRGGGHH!) which would stop you eating the fat/salt combo but only indirectly.

You would still eat some of the bad foods, beef dripping on bread with added salt for example because it does not contain pork which would be avoided with a proper view on the actual cause of the problem.

You would get the part of the benefit but with spurious logic.  Correct logic would give you the full benefit and allow you some of the `nice but not bad` foods which contain that ingredient but not in the bad combo (like roast pork)
 
2014-07-08 08:20:39 AM  

Slives: dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...

I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...


is is me being sarcastic but it is also what she actually said...
 
2014-07-08 08:21:24 AM  

dready zim: rev. dave: I just say low-carb since that is generally accepted as a way to stop being fat.

Ah, a mono dietist. They never work. You always slip back into mixing your macro nutrients then your regulation mechanism falls down and you get fat again. Your diet is just a brute force way of avoiding a fat/carb mix by removing carbs.

Also I don`t have the `atkins` smell, my energy levels are great, and I`m not consuming my muscle to get carbs...

I should go to the gym a bit more, I`m untoned through just sitting about. At least I`m not getting fat, hehe.


What the hell is wrong with people.  One person said low-carb and you went off on a rant about Atkins/ zero carb diets?

That's probably the problem with the whole gluten free hate.  One person chooses a gluten free food and everyone builds this straw-man image of that person being a douche to waiters for no reason.
 
2014-07-08 08:23:34 AM  
 
2014-07-08 08:25:12 AM  

bearcats1983: I'm an event manager for a medium sized company, dealing with everyone's "diet restrictions" can be a huge pain in the ass. Look, there's no way a third of the room is gluten free, vegan or both (somehow...). I'm empathetic if you have a medical issue and will get sick. To make people accommodate your fad diet of the week is really annoying though.


This.

Once had to order in a couple dozen lunches for an invite only post seminar gathering for select clients as a way to say thanks. Simple boxed lunch, sandwich, chips, etc...a few days prior they had to call and confirm if they were coming and what they wanted. One lady demanded that we alter the pre-determined catered menu to meet her "condition". She claimed the gluten free thing was on the same level as having a disability. I know of her outside of her profession, funny how this gluten free thing didn't apply to her slamming beers on a restaurant patio the prior week.
 
2014-07-08 08:25:52 AM  

TheGogmagog: One person chooses a gluten free food and everyone builds this straw-man image of that person being a douche to waiters for no reason.


Most people are douches to waiters,
except ex kitchen staffers.
 
2014-07-08 08:26:38 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: 90% of the "gluten free" crowd actually have no idea what gluten really is.
Just ask them.


This!

I'm hoping that one day I can come up with a nice way to ask my customers to tell me, in as few words as possible, what gluten is, what it does and how you know you're allergic to it. If they can answer those questions i'll have my chef prepare a gluten free meal for them.

/has a few close friends with Celiacs disease so I know all about their dietary restrictions.
// not hopeful about the whole Q&A for customers but it was nice to think about it
 
2014-07-08 08:26:59 AM  
It's definitely over-self-diagnosed but that's the magic of the interwebby.
 
2014-07-08 08:27:50 AM  

wren337: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

My good friends 10 year old was diagnosed by an actual doctor with celiac.  They went to Fridays which has a large, prominent gluten free menu.  He was served a burger with a regular bun, ate half and then projectile vomited all over the place.


As mentioned above my wife isn't celilac but has been diagnosed with a mild allergy to wheat. It isn't bad enough that if she gets exposed through cross contamination but if she eats a wheat bun she will know a short time that she did later in the bathroom. As with allergies, more exposure can make the reaction get worse so she avoids it as much as she can.  She can eat gluten (i.e kamut) but it is easier to find gluten-free products.
What was surprising was finding a vodka that isn't grain-based nowadays. We found a couple but it was amazing to see how many are.

But yeah there are people who have got on the gluten bad bandwagon for no reason
 
2014-07-08 08:28:17 AM  
Things Farkers tend to dislike:

1.  Hypochondriac fad-hopping attention-seekers.
2.  Companies that exploit #1.
 
2014-07-08 08:30:13 AM  

bearcats1983: I'm an event manager for a medium sized company, dealing with everyone's "diet restrictions" can be a huge pain in the ass. Look, there's no way a third of the room is gluten free, vegan or both (somehow...). I'm empathetic if you have a medical issue and will get sick. To make people accommodate your fad diet of the week is really annoying though.


Maybe I'm just the naive one here.  If you have a low carb or no MSG option I'm going to take it.  If you don't I won't eat there or just a little bit depending on how sensitive my stomach has been and the restroom situation.  If people are really as obnoxious as you say they are go on and hate on them, but maybe hate on them for being obnoxious asses rather than for wanting to avoid wheat.
 
2014-07-08 08:31:54 AM  

vudukungfu: TheGogmagog: One person chooses a gluten free food and everyone builds this straw-man image of that person being a douche to waiters for no reason.

Most people are douches to waiters,
except ex kitchen staffers.


Ok, I guess it's just me.  (see above).  Hate on them for being douches, not for wanting to avoid eating something.

/Spouse was waitress/kitchen staff so I guess I've never considered being an ass to them.
 
2014-07-08 08:32:20 AM  
I also try not to make a point of calling bullshiate on everybody's ailments.  I know I ate gluten free for years because an ex had psoriasis and apparently it helped her skin condition.  When we would eat out I would indulge my pasta and/or bread cravings but at home I never ate that stuff.

In retrospect I should probably go back on that diet, it certainly helps one avoid putting on layers of carb blubber.
 
2014-07-08 08:35:22 AM  

Technoir: dready zim: One more thing, the diet I propose has no `banned` foods, you can eat anything you like but if you mix carbs and fat, protein and salt, or fat and salt you will need to regulate your calories (portion size) consciously as your body will not regulate them by itself so you *will* want to overeat.

Either eat them mindfully, sparingly or avoid them.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

EIP


I got them from `fat vs sugar`, a horizon programme on UK TV where two doctors (who are also twins) changed their diet for a month and one cut out fat and one cut out carbs to see the health effects of both and to see which wqas causing the rising tide of obesity. They did endurance tests and other tests during the month, looked at their appetite and did tests on themselves after a month.

They found the no fat diet lead a person to produce LESS insulin and become MORE sensitive to it, leading to more efficient processing of carbs, weight loss through appetite regulation and loss of fat. Apart from the missing nutrients in the fats there were no negative effects.

They found the no carbs diet lead a person to produce MORE insulin and become LESS sensitive to it, leading to less efficient processing of carbs, weight loss through appetite regulation and loss of fat AND MUSCLE.

Turns out that eating no carbs is putting you on the road to diabetes (increased insulin production + reduced sensitivity to insulin) and you lose about as much muscle as fat on the diet (because you eat your muscle to produce ketones for energy). It was seen as having a negative effect on health and not recommended.

They also looked at an experiment with rats where they were fed three extreme diet supplements. They had normal food and either a lump of fat (butter) a lump of carbs (sugar) or a mix of both (cheesecake)

with the lump of fat they would eat a bit of it but mostly eat their normal food and maintained a normal weight.

with the lump of sugar they would eat a bit of it but mostly eat their normal food and maintained a normal weight.

with the 50/50 mix of carbs and fat they would exclusively eat the carbs/fat mix (just grazing, not eating a full meal) and not eat their normal food and gained a huge amount of weight from not managing their calorie intake...

Draw your own conclusions but the ones I drew have lead me to not diet and still lose weight and not smell and have good energy levels and also eat what I like and maintain muscle mass easily etc...
 
2014-07-08 08:35:23 AM  
My cousin is going gluten-free because sometimes her iris constricts uncontrollably.

Suggestions that she see an ophthalmologist are met with "Yeah, I'm working on that."
 
2014-07-08 08:35:53 AM  
It's all about attention most of the time. Same thing happened during the carb craze, the no carb craze, the corn syrup craze, the no corn syrup phase...blah blah blah.
Some people love to claim they're just a little different. Not different enough to be WEIRD, mind you, but just different enough with their food that they can treat it like some sort of exclusive club and constantly demonstrate their attention whoring every time a snack or meal choice is presented.
 
2014-07-08 08:36:06 AM  

vudukungfu: HeartBurnKid: Or did you really think that "roast beef" you were buying was 100% beef?

I watched him slice it off the top round.
Cooked on premises.

I'm a bit picky.
that's why I'm single


Ladies like the guys aren't picky about what they eat.
 
2014-07-08 08:38:22 AM  
I don't eat much bread or grains these days, but I still eat gluten.  I get it in the form of beer, like god intended.
 
2014-07-08 08:38:48 AM  

vudukungfu: HeartBurnKid: Or did you really think that "roast beef" you were buying was 100% beef?

I watched him slice it off the top round.
Cooked on premises.

I'm a bit picky.
that's why I'm single


So where was the "gluten free" label?  Was it on the butcher's smock?
 
2014-07-08 08:39:35 AM  
Gluten-free diet (excluding those with Celiacs and intolerance) is as anti-science as anti-vaxxers and homeopathy.

There is nothing wrong with gluten. It's just a shiatty quality (amino-acid score wise) protein found in wheat.
 
2014-07-08 08:40:19 AM  

dready zim: Slives: dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...

I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...

is is me being sarcastic but it is also what she actually said...


I wonder if there was some sort of hilarious misunderstanding because you can't eat french fries (due to contamination with breaded fried things) in most restaurants. She doesn't sound the brightest to try vegan and gluten free (my celiac vegetarian friends eventually gave up the vegetarian part because they liked to be able to eat every once in a while), so I could see that happening.
 
2014-07-08 08:40:28 AM  

GoldSpider: Things Farkers tend to dislike:

1.  Hypochondriac fad-hopping attention-seekers.
2.  Companies that exploit #1.


3. Things that do not fit into thier world view
 
2014-07-08 08:41:10 AM  

TheGogmagog: What the hell is wrong with people. One person said low-carb and you went off on a rant about Atkins/ zero carb diets?


Welcome to FARK...

Turns out I also am `Apocolypse now` if I answer 45 questions but only `platoon` if I answer 9...
 
2014-07-08 08:41:22 AM  

Enormous-Schwanstucker: I'm hoping that one day I can come up with a nice way to ask my customers to tell me, in as few words as possible, what gluten is, what it does and how you know you're allergic to it.


Gluten is a protein found in grain.  I can't answer the other questions.
 
2014-07-08 08:43:55 AM  
Celiac Disease is a serious issue, It is an auto Immune DISEASE,  Not an allergy or intolerance. Right now now it is the go to "ailment" to make fun of.  A few jokes here and there are funny, but when celebrities who have no idea what they are talking about get on TV and say that it is not real, Rachel Ray saying we are picky eaters and then including a product with wheat in a recipe for a gluten free meal,  or even that idiot Dr Oz saying it is a fad, they are doing a real disservice to the people who Suffer from a very real and serious condition.

Celiac Disease sucks and I have no idea why anyone would want to fake an intolerance, allergy, etc to it. I do not expect restaurants to cater to me. I know a few places I can eat out at, if my friends choose to eat at other places, I just meet up with them afterwards. I always pack my own food for parties and even catered events. It can be a lot of work and a real Pain, but it is better than being sick for 3 weeks from cross contamination.
 
2014-07-08 08:44:02 AM  
I have developed a fondness for gluten-free rum.
 
2014-07-08 08:44:15 AM  

Typhoid: dready zim: Slives: dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...

I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...

it is me being sarcastic but it is also what she actually said...

I wonder if there was some sort of hilarious misunderstanding because you can't eat french fries (due to contamination with breaded fried things) in most restaurants. She doesn't sound the brightest to try vegan and gluten free (my celiac vegetarian friends eventually gave up the vegetarian part because they liked to be able to eat every once in a while), so I could see that happening.


Nope, it was in our kitchen looking at raw potatoes that she could have had cooked any way she liked. We were suggesting baked then she could put whatever she liked on them.

When she said about potatoes having gluten we thought "fark this, she`s impossible, we`ll take her to a place where her food fascism will only affect someone getting paid to deal with it"
 
2014-07-08 08:45:08 AM  

thisdaydreamer: Ironically, two of my truly celiac friends were diagnosed after losing a dangerous amount of weight. They are both very happy to have gained weight (and therefore not stuck in a program with anorexics).



I've known one person who really and truly had Celiacs. The guy was skinny as hell, just skin hanging off his skeleton.  He looked sick and fragile all the time.   He was physically weak, too.

Then he was diagnosed with Celiacs.  Immediately, he gained weight and his life improved dramatically overnight.   The difference in him before diagnosis is remarkably different from the him after diagnosis.
 
2014-07-08 08:46:26 AM  
My oldest son is disabled and needs to eat an IBS diet which among other things is gluten-free.  I'm thankful for the trend/fad because it means it's easier to shop for him.

Some gluten-free foods are pretty awful.
 
2014-07-08 08:46:31 AM  

rikkards: DjangoStonereaver: Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.

You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.

Buddy makes a vegan chocolate cake that is to die for. Wifey is allergic to wheat (thank god not celiac) and eggs the one benefit for the gluten-free fad is that it makes it easier to find alternatives. hard part is finding things that don't use eggs as well.


Indeed; in my nieces' brief life the labelling of food has come leaps and bounds forward, which is a boon
to people with legit allergies and food sensitivities.

Still, though, the labelling only goes so far:  for example, anything with 'carmel coloring' or 'natural flavors'
generally are gluten (coming from wheat products), as is 'malto-dextrin', which is generally wheat sugar.
I have seen things that had 'GLUTEN FREE!' on the label with these as ingredients.

However, as my niece used to point out obsessively when she was a young child, Tootsie Rolls are
gluten free.
 
2014-07-08 08:46:36 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: 90% of the "gluten free" crowd actually have no idea what gluten really is.
Just ask them.


It's got electrolytes?
 
hej
2014-07-08 08:46:43 AM  

thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.


I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.
 
2014-07-08 08:48:42 AM  

hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.


Because he is a fat farker
 
2014-07-08 08:49:00 AM  

rev. dave: FTFA, "In the '50s, everyone had ulcers," he says. "Then, it was back problems. Now, it's gluten."

Well people still have stomach problems now known as GERD, and back problems never went away, just fewer surgeries and fewer bad backs from less manual labor.   Bad examples.
A few people don't eat gluten, most are trying to find out if they have food allergies or intolerance.
I just say low-carb since that is generally accepted as a way to stop being fat.


I had an ulcer for most of the 90s, it wasn't fun.  They messed with my diet, no beer, no spicy stuff, etc.  It sucked, and nothing particularly helped.  I eventually got a younger doctor, who said "Ulcer? That's easy, have some antibiotics."  I've been ulcer free since.

I still have some kind of food allergy that results in a rash, I have no clue what it is, I'll probably never figure it out.  I take one allergy pill a day, and eat what I want.  The wonders of modern medicine.

Low-carb can be a sucker advertising to get you to buy their sugary high calorie product.  Don't rely only on the low carb label if you're trying to lose weight.
 
2014-07-08 08:49:40 AM  

Smoking GNU: Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.

You do know that the people with the actual legitimate problem that goes with needing gluten free food will quite probably die if they ingest too much gluten, right?


So you're saying that if we stop making gluten free foods the problem will take care of itself?
 
2014-07-08 08:49:52 AM  

starjolt: Celiac Disease is a serious issue, It is an auto Immune DISEASE,  Not an allergy or intolerance. Right now now it is the go to "ailment" to make fun of.  A few jokes here and there are funny, but when celebrities who have no idea what they are talking about get on TV and say that it is not real, Rachel Ray saying we are picky eaters and then including a product with wheat in a recipe for a gluten free meal,  or even that idiot Dr Oz saying it is a fad, they are doing a real disservice to the people who Suffer from a very real and serious condition.

Celiac Disease sucks and I have no idea why anyone would want to fake an intolerance, allergy, etc to it. I do not expect restaurants to cater to me. I know a few places I can eat out at, if my friends choose to eat at other places, I just meet up with them afterwards. I always pack my own food for parties and even catered events. It can be a lot of work and a real Pain, but it is better than being sick for 3 weeks from cross contamination.


The problem is that you never hear from the people who actually have Celiac Disease, it's just the stupid attention-whore glommers on this fad is what diminishes the impact of this disease.  When I was a kid I had a friend who had this and neither she nor her parents ever demanded special attention for her, they just got food she could eat.  Problem solved.
 
2014-07-08 08:52:03 AM  

Czechzican: Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.


Here's an idea, if you're fat and want to lose weight DON'T FRAKING MAKE CUPCAKES

Here's what 200 calories looks like:
papagaiobrasilia.files.wordpress.com

Now you can starve yourself (and advertise that you're a moron that believes in checkout print rubbish), or you can make lots of interesting dishes that you can actually eat quite a lot of and feel full, all the while losing weight.

If you're starving, you're doing it terribly wrong.

Start off by making a egg white wrap for breakfast.

nutritionsuccess.org

These things are 200+/- calories (with low fat cheese) and will keep you full for a good 4 hours.  I like mine with peppers, onions, feta and hot sauce; but you can easily add whatever veggies you like.  If you dice and freeze your prep stuff on the weekend, it'll only take 10-15 min to throw together and cook as well.

Or you could have a bowl of soggy, air infused candy and be hungry by the time you get to work.
 
2014-07-08 08:52:32 AM  

ebenbane: I actually hate gluten free fad dieters. They make me seethe with a deep rage.


Me too! Whenever I hear someone say they don't eat glutens, I puff out my chest, walk up to them and proudly proclaim that I am going to kill & eat TWO glutens to make up for the glutens that they don't eat!

Pussys.
 
2014-07-08 08:52:44 AM  

vudukungfu: I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?

What's next?
Fructose intolerance?

Nation of pussies.
If you have a dietary issue that is real and proven, that's one thing, but when the nation turns on whims, fads, and made up BS like a religion, then you see crap like labeling apples "Gluten Free" as marketing gimmicks.

And that's why we can't have nice things.


Sorry, fructose intolerance is actually a thing.

An extremely rare thing, but a thing.

http://www.gastro.org/patient-center/ diet-medications/food-allergies- f ructose-intolerance-and-lactose-intole rance
 
hej
2014-07-08 08:53:41 AM  

nunyadang: hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.

Because he is a fat farker


Then I would think he'd be happy that there's more food left for him.
 
2014-07-08 08:53:52 AM  
That's the problem with fad diets.
It's just like what happened with Atkins and carbs.
There is a valid reason for a segment of the population to cut down on their intake of carbs/gluten. But then those who co-opt the diet make asses of themselves about it, which builds a backlash that affects not just the morons, but those who genuinely have the need to cut back/cut out as well.
 
2014-07-08 08:54:17 AM  
What bothers me are the people who claim an allergy or an intolerance to a substance, but it's entirely self diagnosed. Guess what? If you haven't been tested, you probably don't know what you're allergic to.

Also, those allergies can change over your life. And typically, to develop a resistance, you need to slowly introduce the said allergen over time, via exposure or increasing concentrations of subcutaneous injections. After a period of time, your immune system learns to live with it. Shunning the substance will likely make the allergy even worse (such as seasonal plant allergies).

/been tested several times
//spent years getting injections
 
2014-07-08 08:56:46 AM  

CruJones: No matter what your nutritionist told you, there is no test for gluten "sensitivity"


There sure is, but please, continue sharing your vast medical knowledge and experience.
 
2014-07-08 08:57:53 AM  
TyrantII:

Start off by making a egg white wrap for breakfast.

[nutritionsuccess.org image 300x225]

These things are 200+/- calories (with low fat cheese) and will keep you full for a good 4 hours.  I like mine with peppers, onions, feta and hot sauce; but you can easily add whatever veggies you like.  If you dice and freeze your prep stuff on the weekend, it'll only take 10-15 min to throw together and cook as well.

I hope you've got a recipe to share with the whole class?
 
2014-07-08 08:58:24 AM  

dready zim: She used to get bad circulation, headaches, tiredness (basically all the symptoms you get if you are starving yourself almost to the point of death) although many of these problems have gone away since she started eating properly for the baby...



You mean, ANEMIA?
 
2014-07-08 08:58:33 AM  

Muta: I think people like these special diets because it makes them stand out.  Everyone has to accommodate their needs so they get the trump card when selecting a restaurant.  It gives them power over the group.


Mediocre nobodies require constant drama in their lives in order to feel special.
 
2014-07-08 08:59:18 AM  
Meanwhile, people who are lactose intolerant are getting a free pass. A free, gassy, bloated pass.

/so that's what was making me fart...
//Damn... cheese is tasty.
 
2014-07-08 09:01:02 AM  
my weener is gluten free, however my balls are not. so fear not folks, I've got something for everyone.  bon appetit.  unless of course you have nut allergies :\
 
2014-07-08 09:01:38 AM  
'"He thinks that the gluten-free thing is just a fad, promoted by food companies "as a way of making money."'

I know it is. Just as was the low-fat, sugar-free, no trans fats, etc., etc., etc. Ditto on "peanut allergy" Peanuts and peanut oils used to be common ingredients, but they had to be vilified so that they could be replaced with soy beans and corn.

Folks, if someone suddenly starts telling you that a natural substance that man has eaten for tens-of-thousands of years will make you sick, they are lying to you and trying to sell you something you do not need.
 
2014-07-08 09:02:28 AM  
i61.tinypic.com
 
2014-07-08 09:03:47 AM  
Gluttons For Gluten!

Untie!
 
2014-07-08 09:06:43 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I had an ulcer for most of the 90s, it wasn't fun.  They messed with my diet, no beer, no spicy stuff, etc.  It sucked, and nothing particularly helped.  I eventually got a younger doctor, who said "Ulcer? That's easy, have some antibiotics."  I've been ulcer free since.


Helicobacter pylori.  It is well known that H. Pylori can cause ulcers, but researchers are finding that there is an increase in asthma where H. Pylori has been eradicated.  There is also evidence that its eradication is related to increased obesity.  From the linked article:

There is equally convincing evidence that destroying H. pylori could alter metabolism in ways that increase the risk of obesity. Several research groups, including Blaser's, have found a strong relationship in humans between the bacterium and two stomach hormones, ghrelin and leptin, both of which play central roles in regulating our appetites. Like many hormones, they work as a team, telling us to eat when we are hungry and stop when we are full. The more ghrelin you have in your bloodstream, the more likely you are to overeat. Leptin functions in the opposite way, suppressing the appetite and increasing energy levels. For people whose stomachs are infected with H. pylori, ghrelin became far less detectable after a meal. For the others, levels of the hormone remained high, and the effects are evident. "A generation of kids are growing up without H. pylori regulating their levels of ghrelin,'' Blaser told me. These results suggest that the message to stop eating never makes it to the brain. If those hormones aren't controlled, it becomes far more difficult to control one's weight.
 
2014-07-08 09:08:16 AM  

MindStalker: FTA: Jessie Dankos, a 24-year-old grant-management consultant who lives in Arlington, Va., felt bad for a woman she recently met at a wedding who has such a severe reaction to gluten that she has to check the labels on her shampoo to make sure that it doesn't contain traces of the substance.

What? That's not Celiac's which is an inability to digest gluton, either that's a severe allergic reaction to gluton, or this woman is crazy, I'm voting the later.


Hmmm  Who said she has Celiac?
 
2014-07-08 09:08:48 AM  

frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.


I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.
 
2014-07-08 09:09:52 AM  

FizixJunkee: dready zim: She used to get bad circulation, headaches, tiredness (basically all the symptoms you get if you are starving yourself almost to the point of death) although many of these problems have gone away since she started eating properly for the baby...


You mean, ANEMIA?


She probably had that although it seems eating right sorted out all her food and health problems...

Now, like everyone I know that is a food fascist, she mostly bakes cakes. They all find a way to bake cakes that fits their food insanity, have you noticed?
 
2014-07-08 09:10:04 AM  

Cheese eating surrender monkey: TyrantII:

Start off by making a egg white wrap for breakfast.


These things are 200+/- calories (with low fat cheese) and will keep you full for a good 4 hours.  I like mine with peppers, onions, feta and hot sauce; but you can easily add whatever veggies you like.  If you dice and freeze your prep stuff on the weekend, it'll only take 10-15 min to throw together and cook as well.

I hope you've got a recipe to share with the whole class?


Two egg whites in a small frying pan for 5-6 min and whatever you want.  The one above is spinach, peppers, and feta.  Use a small dab of olive oil if the pan is not non-stick.  You can get as creative with the veggies as you want, and when you find a few good combos, just prep and freeze on the weekends.  Diced onions & peppers is the most basic.

As for gluten intolerance, it's total bullshiat.  Most people leaking out of their ass constantly are doing so because they're eating way too much and that excess food needs to go somewhere.  Gluten Free "helping" is only a product of changing their diet and eating a lot less due having to find gluten free options.

Celiac is real, but there's very few people with it.
 
2014-07-08 09:10:41 AM  

Gary-L: CruJones: No matter what your nutritionist told you, there is no test for gluten "sensitivity"

There sure is, but please, continue sharing your vast medical knowledge and experience.


Or not: http://www.celiaccentral.org/non-celi ac-gluten-sensitivity/testing-an d -diagnosis/
 
2014-07-08 09:10:47 AM  
In the past few months I've changed my diet considerably.  I stopped taking a sandwich for lunch and instead have some sort of a prepared lean meat and a vegetable or a salad of some kind.  I've cut down on alcohol to almost nothing (I was a 2 beer a night kinda guy).  Instead of rice or fries with dinner I'll opt for cole slaw or a different vegetable.  If I want a snack I don't got for tortilla chips which is something I used to do alot.

Someone asked me if I was "doing the gluten-free thing" the other day.

To some degree I guess I am.

But mainly I'm trying to maximize the results from the time I spending at the gym every week.  Not surprisingly I found that cutting out the carbs did wonders for me.

If you're doing something for the health reasons don't feel you need to give it a name.  You're just doing it for health reasons.  Hell, you don't even need to discuss or justify it.  If you end up dining somewhere then you deal with it.  Don't ask the world to change because you're different.  They don't have anything invested in you.
 
2014-07-08 09:11:26 AM  
"Within minutes of eating it, my stomach felt really bad and got bloated and crashed my energy. It made me feel just really bad," says Cheng, 33.

No, you did not have this reaction to gluten this fast. Were you to have an actual allergy, there would be other problems than an energy crash, and were you to be Celiac's then there would a much greater delay. What you experienced was overeating. What you probably did due to the 'Paleo' diet is maintained portion size of the foods you've grown accustomed to and added in something else.

rikkards: What was surprising was finding a vodka that isn't grain-based nowadays. We found a couple but it was amazing to see how many are.


Either Chopin, which is potato based and therefore naturally gluten-free, or Tito's, which due to distillation procedures is gluten-free, are both excellent options if you haven't found a good enough vodka yet. The latter is less expensive and becoming increasingly more common.
 
hej
2014-07-08 09:12:55 AM  

MrSteve007: What bothers me are the people who claim an allergy or an intolerance to a substance, but it's entirely self diagnosed. Guess what? If you haven't been tested, you probably don't know what you're allergic to.


Any time I consume anything that's got shellfish in it (or has been contaminated by it), my lips blister, my throat swells and becomes itchy, I get a headache, and I can even feel the inside of my ear canals constricting a bit.  I don't need a test to tell me I'm allergic and should not be eating it.
 
2014-07-08 09:13:04 AM  

czetie: Personally, I'm "invested" when a friend no longer wants to go to the best pizza restaurant in town because they don't have good gluten-free pizza, or when I can't have that person over for dinner with other friends because they won't eat what I cook, or when every meal out becomes an interrogation of the waitron -- and that self-diagnosed friend doesn't actually have anything wrong with them.


You just described vegetarians. There are worse things than the gluten wackos out there.
 
2014-07-08 09:13:20 AM  
It's not called Celiac, or Celiacs, or Celiac's. Coeliac is apparently an old Greek word that translates to "abdominal". Sufferers are not "Celiac"; they have Coeliac Disease.
 
2014-07-08 09:13:31 AM  

Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


Same way here.  Diet change (Paleo) and regular exercise (Crossfit) and I'm down nearly 40lbs since November along with huge strength gains.
 
2014-07-08 09:14:30 AM  
TyrantII:

... egg white ...

(with low fat cheese)


Stopped reading right there.

/real food or gtfo
 
2014-07-08 09:15:40 AM  

Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.


Its just as valid as making up a fake ailment.
 
2014-07-08 09:16:26 AM  

Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


What was before? Atkins and Pilates?
 
2014-07-08 09:17:22 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


Because it is a chance to show quasi-intellectual (and therefore moral) superiority.
 
2014-07-08 09:17:31 AM  

HeartBurnKid: So where was the "gluten free" label?


On the deli case in front of all the meats.

If would be nice if this country had some kind of a fad where everyone decided the next best thing was to eat sensibly, live in moderation, get enough exercise, socialize with their neighbors and build stronger communities.
But no. We need to isolate ourselves in the most urban areas by staring at screens, and staying indoors. We shovel ice cream in our yaps like it's a reward for breathing, not a reward after milking a cow and picking peaches, and churning a crank for hours. We are the most pampered, and weak society in the universe.
No one cares about where their food comes from just that it is there.  And if that douche waiter doesn't get back here with my zen garden, I'm going to have him fired.
 
2014-07-08 09:18:23 AM  

Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


It`s the hypocritical way the guy basically said `your fad diet is wrong but my fad diet is right`.

To people not on a fad diet there isn`t much difference between no gluten, paleo, atkins or any of the fad diets.

It could be argued that your health benefits are probably coming more from doing regular exercise than your diet. You could be on pretty much any healthy diet that is not extreme, do exercise and feel the best you ever have.

That was my experience anyway, the exercise made me feel good and as a result I desired different foods but the different food desires were as a result of the exercise and feeling good, not the other way around.
 
2014-07-08 09:18:30 AM  

lake_huron: Sorry, fructose intolerance is actually a thing.


Yeah, but no one is talking about it.
No one is adopting it.
 
2014-07-08 09:24:57 AM  

Muta: Ker_Thwap: I had an ulcer for most of the 90s, it wasn't fun.  They messed with my diet, no beer, no spicy stuff, etc.  It sucked, and nothing particularly helped.  I eventually got a younger doctor, who said "Ulcer? That's easy, have some antibiotics."  I've been ulcer free since.

Helicobacter pylori.  It is well known that H. Pylori can cause ulcers, but researchers are finding that there is an increase in asthma where H. Pylori has been eradicated.  There is also evidence that its eradication is related to increased obesity.  From the linked article:

There is equally convincing evidence that destroying H. pylori could alter metabolism in ways that increase the risk of obesity. Several research groups, including Blaser's, have found a strong relationship in humans between the bacterium and two stomach hormones, ghrelin and leptin, both of which play central roles in regulating our appetites. Like many hormones, they work as a team, telling us to eat when we are hungry and stop when we are full. The more ghrelin you have in your bloodstream, the more likely you are to overeat. Leptin functions in the opposite way, suppressing the appetite and increasing energy levels. For people whose stomachs are infected with H. pylori, ghrelin became far less detectable after a meal. For the others, levels of the hormone remained high, and the effects are evident. "A generation of kids are growing up without H. pylori regulating their levels of ghrelin,'' Blaser told me. These results suggest that the message to stop eating never makes it to the brain. If those hormones aren't controlled, it becomes far more difficult to control one's weight.


Never had those side effects.  Possibly I had some other sort of bacteria causing the ulcer, but either way, I'd have gladly traded the considerable pain for having to manually monitor my food intake.
 
2014-07-08 09:25:07 AM  

hej: nunyadang: hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.

Because he is a fat farker

Then I would think he'd be happy that there's more food left for him.


Aw. You guys are so cute. I knew you'd come along eventually.

Let me explain it to you. People with celiac disease have to severely restrict what they eat. People who hop on the gluten-is-evil bandwagon make everyone who truly has to avoid gluten look like a trendy dieter rather than a person with a serious illness, which convinces food companies and servers to ignore anyone looking for gluten-free food. Hence, folks with celiac are in more danger (and, yes, celiac disease can be deadly) while the trendy dieters get to keep thinking that they are ssssoooooo much healthier for dumping gluten.

There's also the arrogance of declaring your diet to be as important as someone who must restrict themselves or land in the hospital.

I am neither celiac nor gluten free. I just really hate what my friends are going through because of the latest nutritional fad.
 
2014-07-08 09:25:27 AM  

hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.


My issue is not with folks choosing to NOT eat something, but when they ask my crew to make something entirely different, and often without much alternatives in place, and with expectations that we can shift gears and make something entirely from scratch, on the fly, and with the same quality, and that it will be "the same" as the gluten filled dish, then it's an issue for me and my crew.

When folks have an allergy or condition like Celiac--which I believe is an auto-immune disease as opposed to an allergy, if I remember correctly--I can understand needing alternatives. The problem lies in folks who don't have said allergy, but want to ride the sympathy train to something different than the usual menu, in the thought process that they're going to get something better. Mind you, I can understand it to a degree--for years, folks asked for Kosher meals on planes, because generally the food was better quality, and better prepared--but when folks ask for something that conflicts with their said "allergy" in the same dish, and complain that we left out the part that they liked, because they said they were allergic, that sort of rankles. In foodservice, both large and small, the preparation is reflexive. It has to be, in order to do what we do. When folks break cooks out of that routine, it causes disruptions in the flow of service, and that means the line gets bogged down, and reading fifty brazillion modifiers, making a novella out of a simple order, that's a pain in the tochis. I especially like the folks who order the French Onion soup, with no roll because they want gluten free, and then get miffed with the croutons are left off as well, resulting in soggy mess of cheese sinking to the bottom without the buoyant mass of bread below the cheese to hold it in place, and wonder why their dish didn't look like everyone else's, and then complain bitterly.

Gluten-free is often a gimmick for some folks. I can understand that some folks have a condition, and I sympathize, and do my damnedest to make things work, but likewise, I hope folks will take the time to understand that their "simple" substitutions don't always work, or work in ways that they might not like, and it would be far better to choose a different dish entirely, as opposed to expect folks to change a dish so completely that it can't be recognized. We have a menu for a reason, because that is what we're prepared to do, and a lot of folks seem to think that their "condition" gives them free reign to simply make up their own menu in their head--and THAT portion of the show is what a fair number of folks want to hop on. You see it out in LA a lot. Ordering off the menu? That's just passe, but they don't want to appear to be difficult, or just picky, so some folks prefer to use the allergy excuse when with others to bypass that. Using the excuse of an allergy to avoid something that they just don't like, it's annoying, and worse, it deadens a lot of folks' in the industry's sensitivity to these issues. Because they're being pains in the tochis, and trivializing other folks' actual issues.

The thing is: folks with actual allergies, they know their bodies fair well. They also tend to order with some thought to what can and cannot be done, and simply avoid dishes that have the bane of their existence. I can understand wanting to know if there's something "hidden" in the preparation that they might not think of immediately, which is why if you have a seafood allergy, it's good to check how it's prepared. The owner of the joint I'm at now sends the entire crew into paroxysms, because he uses our flattop to sear scallops and shrimp. We don't do that, because a lot of folks who have a seafood allergy order something like a burger, they aren't thinking that their bread or the seared onions on a sandwich could trigger their allergy. He comes on the line, and sears scallops or shrimp, we have to clean the damn thing down to bare metal after he leaves, which is why we do that sort of thing in separate pans, and keep them single use, so that we don't accidentally send someone into anaphylaxis. Killing someone, or sending them to the hospital when they were just out for a burger, that's not what we like to do. No dying and no bleeding is one of my biggest rules in the kitchen. No one dies on my shift. Very big rule, and I get very cross if folks try to break that one. That goes for customers as well as staff. The owner? He isn't really restaurant folk, and is just running the place for his mother, and is only part owner, and his lack of training shows up a lot, and it drives us batty.
 
2014-07-08 09:26:50 AM  
I have no time for adults who are fussy eaters.  You're boring, and you suck in bed.
 
2014-07-08 09:27:48 AM  

Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


Q:  How do you tell if someone does Crossfit?

A:  Don't worry, they'll tell you.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:21 AM  

vudukungfu: lake_huron: Sorry, fructose intolerance is actually a thing.

Yeah, but no one is talking about it.
No one is adopting it.


Yet.  It's probably next in line.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:32 AM  

Skarekrough: In the past few months I've changed my diet considerably.  I stopped taking a sandwich for lunch and instead have some sort of a prepared lean meat and a vegetable or a salad of some kind.  I've cut down on alcohol to almost nothing (I was a 2 beer a night kinda guy).  Instead of rice or fries with dinner I'll opt for cole slaw or a different vegetable.  If I want a snack I don't got for tortilla chips which is something I used to do alot.

Someone asked me if I was "doing the gluten-free thing" the other day.

To some degree I guess I am.

But mainly I'm trying to maximize the results from the time I spending at the gym every week.  Not surprisingly I found that cutting out the carbs did wonders for me.

If you're doing something for the health reasons don't feel you need to give it a name.  You're just doing it for health reasons.  Hell, you don't even need to discuss or justify it.  If you end up dining somewhere then you deal with it.  Don't ask the world to change because you're different.  They don't have anything invested in you.


I try to eat about 55% high protein 20-25% fats, and 20% carbs . My lifts are much easier if I have some carbs before gym, not too many, a slice of Dave's killer bread and some tuna or chicken, and half a banana. And then, I am always ables to hit that Olympic bar with vigor.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:33 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.


"Because if anyone does anything different to what I dothey're directly insulting me and the way I live my life."

If you think people's outrage over what other people eat is bad wait until you have kids.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:48 AM  

dready zim: o people not on a fad diet there isn`t much difference between no gluten, paleo, atkins or any of the fad diets.

It could be argued that your health benefits are probably coming more from doing regular exercise than your diet. You could be on pretty much any healthy diet that is not extreme, do exercise and feel the best you ever have.

That was my experience anyway, the exercise made me feel good and as a result I desired different foods but the different food desires were as a result of the exercise and feeling good, not the other way around.


I read somewhere (so you know it is true) that healthy weight loss is an 80:20 diet to exercise ratio.  You can burn 500 calories during an hour long, Zone 2 workout or you can consume 500 fewer calories by enjoying the 200 calorie egg white roll-up breakfast show above instead of a 700 calorie gut buster.
 
2014-07-08 09:29:58 AM  
I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway
 
2014-07-08 09:30:29 AM  

TyrantII: Czechzican: Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.

Here's an idea, if you're fat and want to lose weight DON'T FRAKING MAKE CUPCAKES

Here's what 200 calories looks like:


Now you can starve yourself (and advertise that you're a moron that believes in checkout print rubbish), or you can make lots of interesting dishes that you can actually eat quite a lot of and feel full, all the while losing weight.

If you're starving, you're doing it terribly wrong.

Start off by making a egg white wrap for breakfast.

These things are 200+/- calories (with low fat cheese) and will keep you full for a good 4 hours.  I like mine with peppers, onions, feta and hot sauce; but you can easily add whatever veggies you like.  If you dice and freeze your prep stuff on the weekend, it'll only take 10-15 min to throw together and cook as well.

Or you could have a bowl of soggy, air infused candy and be hungry by the time you get to work.


Skip the tortilla and have the egg yolks. Save the tortilla for lunch. Lose the cheese and Throw on some avocado and the extra fat will keep you full much like longer.
 
2014-07-08 09:31:59 AM  

thisdaydreamer: hej: nunyadang: hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.

Because he is a fat farker

Then I would think he'd be happy that there's more food left for him.

Aw. You guys are so cute. I knew you'd come along eventually.

Let me explain it to you. People with celiac disease have to severely restrict what they eat. People who hop on the gluten-is-evil bandwagon make everyone who truly has to avoid gluten look like a trendy dieter rather than a person with a serious illness, which convinces food companies and servers to ignore anyone looking for gluten-free food. Hence, folks with celiac are in more danger (and, yes, celiac disease can be deadly) while the trendy dieters get to keep thinking that they are ssssoooooo much healthier for dumping gluten.

There's also the arrogance of declaring your diet to be as important as someone who must restrict themselves or land in the hospital.

I am neither celiac nor gluten free. I just really hate what my friends are going through because of the latest nutritional fad.


I still think you are fat
 
2014-07-08 09:32:29 AM  
My wife has Celiac, not the I am gluten intolerant celiac, but diagnosed with blood work and colonoscopy celiac after severe stomach pain, anemia, and unintended weight loss. We were on vacation in New Zealand a couple years ago and found a place that served GF pizza. Went in and ordered, GF cheese for her, regular pepperoni for me. Order comes out, my wife is raving at how good the GF pizza is. Mine tastes horrible. That should have been the first clue. About 30 minutes later my wife realizes what had happened. For her it starts with heartburn and with that much gluten goes to nausea pretty quick. Had to race back to the hotel so she could spend the night barfing there instead of the streets of queenstown.
 
2014-07-08 09:32:29 AM  
The swelling ranks of Americans adopting gluten-free diets-

have given rise to another hot trend: people calling the whole thing a bunch of baloney.-


The first is a "trend". The second is simply a normal reaction to the first
 
2014-07-08 09:35:02 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Never had those side effects.  Possibly I had some other sort of bacteria causing the ulcer, but either way, I'd have gladly traded the considerable pain for having to manually monitor my food intake.


H. Pylori is a bacteria that can cause ulcers.  Removing it from your system helped you.  The human body didn't evolve with an ulcer causing bacteria in its gut just to dick with your head.  If that were the case then evolution would have eliminated it long ago.  The bacteria also has some health benefits which you are not experiencing now.  So heads up.
 
2014-07-08 09:37:27 AM  
It's hilarious how many people just go head first into whatever they think is the new health fad because they heard how gluten is bad in passing. It amazes me that people don't research this shiat for themselves to find out what it is. Gluten is a protein. So by eating gluten free bread, you are now eating only the carbohydrates from wheat and getting none of the fiber or protein... Then complain why your blood sugar is up and your getting fatter...
 
2014-07-08 09:38:37 AM  

El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway


Should have asked for condoms.
 
2014-07-08 09:40:32 AM  

yeolcoatl: "Within minutes of eating it, my stomach felt really bad and got bloated and crashed my energy. It made me feel just really bad," says Cheng, 33.

If you're having a reaction before the gluten can even hit your intestine, yeah that's psychosomatic.




That boy needs therapy!
 
2014-07-08 09:41:48 AM  

wren337: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

My good friends 10 year old was diagnosed by an actual doctor with celiac.  They went to Fridays which has a large, prominent gluten free menu.  He was served a burger with a regular bun, ate half and then projectile vomited all over the place.


Lucky kid. I usually end up shiatting all over the place.

If some uppity coont at a restaurant thinks I made up my disease and gives me wheat, I'll go spray my shiat all over their restroom. Thankfully, it hasn't come to that yet.
 
2014-07-08 09:42:34 AM  

Muta: Helicobacter pylori. It is well known that H. Pylori can cause ulcers, but researchers are finding that there is an increase in asthma where H. Pylori has been eradicated. There is also evidence that its eradication is related to increased obesity.


It's amazing how when it no longer hurts when you eat, that people will tend to eat more.
 
2014-07-08 09:43:51 AM  

El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway


On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.
 
2014-07-08 09:44:03 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They have gluten-free pizzacardboard...


FTFY
 
2014-07-08 09:44:41 AM  

CeroX: So by eating gluten free bread, you are now eating only the carbohydrates from wheat


gluten free bread is made using other kinds of flour, you can make a gluten free flour out of cannabis roots for instance.
 
2014-07-08 09:45:12 AM  

dready zim: Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

It`s the hypocritical way the guy basically said `your fad diet is wrong but my fad diet is right`.

To people not on a fad diet there isn`t much difference between no gluten, paleo, atkins or any of the fad diets.

It could be argued that your health benefits are probably coming more from doing regular exercise than your diet. You could be on pretty much any healthy diet that is not extreme, do exercise and feel the best you ever have.

That was my experience anyway, the exercise made me feel good and as a result I desired different foods but the different food desires were as a result of the exercise and feeling good, not the other way around.


Okay, I can see that.  I fully believe, though, that you need both exercise and a solid diet.  You can have either one, but exercising without eating right will impact your performance 

Rapmaster2000: Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

Q:  How do you tell if someone does Crossfit?

A:  Don't worry, they'll tell you.


Very true. ;) But keep in mind that I did not bring up the topic - someone else did.
 
2014-07-08 09:46:05 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: rikkards: DjangoStonereaver: Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.

You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.

Buddy makes a vegan chocolate cake that is to die for. Wifey is allergic to wheat (thank god not celiac) and eggs the one benefit for the gluten-free fad is that it makes it easier to find alternatives. hard part is finding things that don't use eggs as well.

Indeed; in my nieces' brief life the labelling of food has come leaps and bounds forward, which is a boon
to people with legit allergies and food sensitivities.

Still, though, the labelling only goes so far:  for example, anything with 'carmel coloring' or 'natural flavors'
generally are gluten (coming from wheat products), as is 'malto-dextrin', which is generally wheat sugar.
I have seen things that had 'GLUTEN FREE!' on the label with these as ingredients.

However, as my niece used to point out obsessively when she was a young child, Tootsie Rolls are
gluten free.


Maltodextrin doesn't have gluten in it. It's a polysaccharide, it's made up of nothing but a bunch of linked sugars. Gluten is a protein. That's why Foods with Maltodextrin in them can be labeled gluten free.
 
2014-07-08 09:46:29 AM  

El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway


So you lie to avoid junk food? Really?
 
2014-07-08 09:47:29 AM  
A couple weeks ago, I had a bad reaction to a weekend of eating poorly (mostly the beer festival + three slices of greasy pizza). Didn't clear up within a couple days, and there's a family history of gall bladder and intestinal problems, so I went to see the doc. Doc sent me for a CT scan and Ultrasound, since the pain was all over the abdomen, and he wanted to make sure there was no appendicitis or gallstones. CT scan showed some inflammation, so he told me to get myself to a gastrointerologist forthwith.

Went in thinking "oh boy, I've got Crohns or colitis!" Gastrointerologist said "you went to a beer festival and ate pizza. You rightly got the shiats, and the shiats caused the inflammation. We see this sort of thing all the time. Oh by the way, let's test you for Celiac because you haven't been tested."

I haven't gotten that blood work done. If I had Celiac, I'd be dead already.

/A coworker actually has Celiac, it's serious business
//I sound fat, but aren't.
///Story, bro
 
2014-07-08 09:47:33 AM  

CeroX: It's hilarious how many people just go head first into whatever they think is the new health fad because they heard how gluten is bad in passing. It amazes me that people don't research this shiat for themselves to find out what it is. Gluten is a protein. So by eating gluten free bread, you are now eating only the carbohydrates from wheat and getting none of the fiber or protein... Then complain why your blood sugar is up and your getting fatter...


this is why i just keep my head down and ignore this shiat.  there's still a lot to discover about human nutrition and we're learning (and unlearning) things every day.  follow a path that suits your lifestyle and your goals and ignore fads all together.  and FFS get outside and get some exercise.
 
2014-07-08 09:48:01 AM  

moothemagiccow: Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

What was before? Atkins and Pilates?


Never touched the Atkins diet and I'm not flexible enough to do Pilates.  I assume you're asking so that you can make your life journey match my life journey so that one day you can achieve the same results.
 
2014-07-08 09:48:10 AM  
This is a very real thing however it is not celiac or even gluten sensitivity.  It is a wheat sensitivity.  Why didn't people have this problem 20 years ago?  Because the wheat people ate 20 years ago was wheat, whereas the wheat people eat today is a man-made frankenfood with a new protein called gliadin.  It is this protein that many people have issues with. People, being stupid and all, figured they have a gluten problem.  The problem is wheat.

Why do I know about this?  Because I suffer from it.  If I eat wheat any number of things happens... first of all I bloat up.  My digestive system goes to shiat.  I get anxiety which will progressively get worse if I continue to eat wheat over days and will eventually have panic attacks.  I get tinnitus which again worsens with the more wheat I consume.  Other things as well.  My point is this shiat has very real effects and it's not because of a diet fad.

Scientific American article about it:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gluten-sensitivity-may-be- a- misnomer-for-distinct-illnesses-to-various-wheat-proteins/
 
2014-07-08 09:48:35 AM  
I apparently have a true wheat allergy. I went gluten free for months and It made me worse as I lost any tolerance for it at all. I added back in tiny amounts and I'm ok again. I just can't scarf a whole pizza or any pasta. I limit myself to a wheat item once every few days to a week. Sometime I have problems and I just lay off for a while.

I've lost a ton of weight. I have a bunch of allergies now too thanks to the wheat allergy ( it give me stomach ulcers/blisters and that lets other food in my body decides is bad and tries to kill). As long as I'm healed up I can eat whatever. If I have problems then just about any food can make me sick.

It sucks.

The real bad thing is there's so many "gluten free" people out there who aren't really allergic or sick from it and the waiters and chefs know that most people aren't so they don't take it seriously.

Lets not even talk about how the FDA allows gluten in "gluten free" food.
 
2014-07-08 09:49:30 AM  

This text is now purple: Muta: Helicobacter pylori. It is well known that H. Pylori can cause ulcers, but researchers are finding that there is an increase in asthma where H. Pylori has been eradicated. There is also evidence that its eradication is related to increased obesity.

It's amazing how when it no longer hurts when you eat, that people will tend to eat more.


The article covered that.  Basically the h. pylori regulates ghrelin -- the enzyme that signals your brain that you are hungry.  Without h. pylori you have more ghrelin in your system so you feel hungrier and eat more.
 
2014-07-08 09:49:38 AM  
Show me a gluten and I'll knock it out for you
 
2014-07-08 09:49:54 AM  
I feel for you if you really are allergic to gluten but man alive,  WTF. I can't even find food WITH gluten in it anymore.
Especially breakfast, I want my gluten. The percentages lean towards people without the allergy by what, 97%????  Then why is 99% of the menu gluten free??
 
2014-07-08 09:51:32 AM  

hubiestubert: because he uses our flattop to sear scallops and shrimp


Jesum crow.
I worked in kitchens where we never cross contaminated the prep tables.
Like kosher kitchens.

You can't fark around with that.
You get some little bit of anything where it shouldn't be and an entire dish is ruined at the least.

I've had sloppy cooks fired for crap like that.
 
2014-07-08 09:51:36 AM  
frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.
 
My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.


I don't really understand where most of this venom comes from, unless it's just you guys being glib. What bothers you about other people trying to make positive changes in their lives? I can see if they are annoying and don't shut up about it, but in those cases the problem isn't the diet, it's that you choose shiatty people to associate with.

I know a few people with gluten-free diets. One has RA and was advised to try a gluten-free diet by his doctor; he says it has helped him manage his symptoms. Two others (who are already in good shape and healthy) just tried it because they heard you have more energy, and both say that it is true for them.

Fun fact: my dig is wheat gluten intolerant. He sprays diarrhea all over if he eats any food with it. It was kind of gross at our house until we figured THAT out.
 
2014-07-08 09:51:52 AM  

Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway

On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.


The second group is most of the people who "wanted to help out".
Funny thing is, Mrs. Dudereno doesn't cook anyway. I do. She was busy with the baby, and I could still make dinner for the family.
Also, I've found that 'healthy' means very different things to different people. Saying 'gluten free' gave them a much better idea.
 
2014-07-08 09:51:55 AM  

Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain
 
2014-07-08 09:52:42 AM  

yeolcoatl: "Within minutes of eating it, my stomach felt really bad and got bloated and crashed my energy. It made me feel just really bad," says Cheng, 33.

If you're having a reaction before the gluten can even hit your intestine, yeah that's psychosomatic.


Or a true wheat allergy, not celiac.

If I get into something with wheat in it, I feel it right away in my stomach. Feels like I need to burp, but can't. Then progresses to VERY bad heartburn and terrible anxiety as my body tries to make huge amounts of stomach acid to neutralize the wheat.
 
2014-07-08 09:53:08 AM  

Headso: gluten free bread is made using other kinds of flour, you can make a gluten free flour out of cannabis roots for instance.


I can make a gluten free flour out of sawdust shavings, too. Doesn't make it a good idea.
 
2014-07-08 09:53:41 AM  
*dog*

Stupid no-edit FARK.
 
2014-07-08 09:53:54 AM  

hubiestubert: My issue is not with folks choosing to NOT eat something, but when they ask my crew to make something entirely different, and often without much alternatives in place, and with expectations that we can shift gears and make something entirely from scratch, on the fly, and with the same quality, and that it will be "the same" as the gluten filled dish, then it's an issue for me and my crew.


Now, now. You didn't expect any logic or consideration for others here, did you?

Seriously, you're right. It's one thing to ask that you not add onions, and it's quite another to order spaghetti marinara and say that you can't have gluten or tomatoes. Another reason why I get annoyed at the gluten-free-for-health crowd is that they so often feel entitled to turn any menu upside-down. Celiacs shouldn't to that, either, of course,
 
2014-07-08 09:54:36 AM  
As anyone who's ever made bread could tell you, developing the gluten through kneading is a lovely part of the process.

Stop being so mean to gluten.
 
2014-07-08 09:55:12 AM  

Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.


It's not medical advice, its manners.  As a server, people often lied about their allergies (no, I don't believe you're allergic to tomatoes, or blue cheese).  Its a HUGE PIA for a restaurant to accomodate an actual allergy, compared to a simple request to leave a certain food out.  And allergen gets a separate prep area, and requires much more care and removes an employee from other tasks.  A simple request means just leaving the food off the damn plate.

The real nuisance here is, people have no damn clue why they're going gluten free, and think gluten is bad for you.  They probably also think its a carb.

And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697
 
2014-07-08 09:55:18 AM  
Celiacs?  What is that, Asterix's tribe?
www.andelot.eu
/by toutatis
 
2014-07-08 09:55:22 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-08 09:55:54 AM  
A friend of mine was complaining a while back that she thought she was becoming gluten sensitive because every time she ate some sort of bread product, she would get sick and throw up.

I made a joke saying "maybe you're just pregnant!" to which she did not think was very funny...

Turned out I was right... and she made a comment later that I suck at women...

I just shrug my shoulders...

I may not always be "right", but I'm never wrong!
 
2014-07-08 09:57:08 AM  

This text is now purple: Headso: gluten free bread is made using other kinds of flour, you can make a gluten free flour out of cannabis roots for instance.

I can make a gluten free flour out of sawdust shavings, too. Doesn't make it a good idea.


cannabis root is very elastic, I can imagine it making a pretty good flour.
 
2014-07-08 09:58:00 AM  
Diagnosed celiac here.. I love the fad, as it has made available good food for me. Also, it is smart for restaurants to make it easy for gluten free, as we bring our whole families with us, so it multiplies manifold the market.
Fyi., the most common decade for onset/diagnosis of celiac is the 4th decade of life. So it is common for someone to have to change diet later in life
 
2014-07-08 09:58:04 AM  
If someone tells you they can't eat gluten, tell them there's a promising cure in having another person's feces implanted into their colon. If they look disgusted instead of elated, they don't have Celiac's, and you should bob them on the head with a baguette repeatedly.
 
2014-07-08 09:58:17 AM  

nunyadang: I still think you are fat


Does my being overweight make you feel better? Fine. I'm fat. Go to town with that.

Now go to bed and let the adults talk.
 
2014-07-08 09:59:28 AM  
My ex-wife is a celiac.  She would get even a little bit of gluten she would be on the toilet for 4 hours in agony.  Some people will do anything for attention.
 
2014-07-08 10:01:17 AM  

MrSteve007: What bothers me are the people who claim an allergy or an intolerance to a substance, but it's entirely self diagnosed. Guess what? If you haven't been tested, you probably don't know what you're allergic to.

Also, those allergies can change over your life. And typically, to develop a resistance, you need to slowly introduce the said allergen over time, via exposure or increasing concentrations of subcutaneous injections. After a period of time, your immune system learns to live with it. Shunning the substance will likely make the allergy even worse (such as seasonal plant allergies).

/been tested several times
//spent years getting injections


For many it takes *several* passes of tests to find allergies, especially foods. My mother and sister both have severe food allergies (I have several) and some show up in the skin tests but not in the blood tests, some in the blood but not skin. Several things my mother is violently allergic to don't show up in any test, yet she can tell when something she eats has corn products in it within 30 minutes. It's damn hard to shop for her, and finding food she can eat is expensive and time consuming for a 70+ year old.

\most of her allergies worsened after a bad bacterial infection 20 years ago
\\the above information is for everyone else in the thread
\\\'cause I'm not pretending to myself you give a rat's ass
 
2014-07-08 10:01:23 AM  
lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form
 
2014-07-08 10:01:32 AM  

thisdaydreamer: nunyadang: I still think you are fat

Does my being overweight make you feel better? Fine. I'm fat. Go to town with that.

Now go to bed and let the adults talk.


Do you as a fat person hate all skinny people and dieters, or just the gluties?
 
2014-07-08 10:03:04 AM  
I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I cut out gluten because it causes a low level reaction that apparently makes my immune system weak and causes an autoimmune disease, and if I stop eating gluten that reaction will go away and the autoimmune disease will just fix itself right up.

/this is what these retards actually believe.
 
2014-07-08 10:03:22 AM  

vudukungfu: I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?

What's next?
Fructose intolerance?

Nation of pussies.
If you have a dietary issue that is real and proven, that's one thing, but when the nation turns on whims, fads, and made up BS like a religion, then you see crap like labeling apples "Gluten Free" as marketing gimmicks.

And that's why we can't have nice things.


If the lunch meat you are buying says "Gluten Free" on the package, they are either using it as a marketing gimmick to increase the price (since meat does not have gluten) , or they are adding grain-based fillers to the meat.

Either way, you are being cheated, and I'd avoid those products.
 
2014-07-08 10:04:20 AM  
I made this huge long post but it got eaten. Least it was gluten-free.

Anyway...

A year ago I was diagnosed with celiac disease via a blood antigen test and an upper gastrointestinal endoscopy. Since going on a gluten-free diet, I've discovered a few things.

1. I can definitely tell when I've eaten gluten because I spend the next few days visiting the toilet eleventy times a day, I want to sleep when I'm not on the toilet, and I get seriously emotionally unstable and irrational for some reason.

2. It's amazing the things I've found that do contain gluten. A rotisserie chicken I was going to buy turned out to have wheat starch. Pumpkin seeds had unbromated wheat flour. Even the peanuts on Southwest had wheat starch as an ingredient. I can't take anything for granted.

3. My parents are dumb and don't get what celiac disease or gluten is, though I've tried to explain. They can't get why I can't have white bread ("well it's not wheat bread right?"), why I can't have gravy, why I can't eat the butter if they've gotten toast crumbs in it, that brown sugar does not have gluten, etc., etc.

4. It's way easier for me to just bring my own food everywhere, but some people get remarkably defensive about that. They don't get that it isn't about them, it's about me not wanting to deal with the repercussions of my illness.

Fortunately, there is a pill in clinical trials that could help with the cross-contamination issues.  http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/CeliacDiseaseDrugs/fl/Alvine-Pharma - Celiac-Disease-Drug.htm
 
2014-07-08 10:04:54 AM  

CruJones: No matter what your nutritionist told you, there is no test for gluten "sensitivity"


That's because any jackass can call him- or herself a nutritionist; the people who might actually know something are called dieticians.

"In most US states, parts of Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom, the term nutritionist is not legally protected, whereas the title of dietitian can be used only by those who have met specified professional requirements." ~'pedia
 
2014-07-08 10:05:03 AM  

Czechzican: I have a friend on facebook that constantly shares gluten-free recipes for rubbish food, like cookies and cupcakes with a note saying she's going to make them that day and then eventually follows up saying how great they were and that her kids loved them,etc. Later on she'll lament that she is having so many issues losing weight and can't understand why.

After trying to explain to her that she is eating a lot of rubbish, she'll retort that gluten free cookies are much more healthier than regular cookies, so it can't possibly be the reason.

Some people...



These are like the people who say "I'm gonna lose weight by eating a salad for lunch everyday!".  Then they proceed to pour 1/4 cup of buttermilk ranch, 1/2 cup of cheese and a handful of garlic croutons on the thing and can't figure out why they still weigh 300lbs.

Their solution?  "Meh, guess it's time for gastric bypass!"
 
2014-07-08 10:06:15 AM  

czetie: I used to think I was lactose intolerant, but it turned out I'm intolerant of pretty much everything.


Me too, but really, I just like to fart loudly.

*lifts leg and leans*
 
2014-07-08 10:06:44 AM  

This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain


Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

I'm just curious if you tried to Crossfit and gave up or never had the courage to try at all? You're clearly ignorant about the program.  Just like anything in life - it is what you make of it.  You can absolutely Crossfit without going overboard on range of motion or the weight you're lifting.
 
2014-07-08 10:07:11 AM  

The Homer Tax: DjangoStonereaver: rikkards: DjangoStonereaver: Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.

You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.

Buddy makes a vegan chocolate cake that is to die for. Wifey is allergic to wheat (thank god not celiac) and eggs the one benefit for the gluten-free fad is that it makes it easier to find alternatives. hard part is finding things that don't use eggs as well.

Indeed; in my nieces' brief life the labelling of food has come leaps and bounds forward, which is a boon
to people with legit allergies and food sensitivities.

Still, though, the labelling only goes so far:  for example, anything with 'carmel coloring' or 'natural flavors'
generally are gluten (coming from wheat products), as is 'malto-dextrin', which is generally wheat sugar.
I have seen things that had 'GLUTEN FREE!' on the label with these as ingredients.

However, as my niece used to point out obsessively when she was a young child, Tootsie Rolls are
gluten free.

Maltodextrin doesn't have gluten in it. It's a polysaccharide, it's made up of nothing but a bunch of linked sugars. Gluten is a protein. That's why Foods with Maltodextrin in them can be labeled gluten free.


But, at least according to both Wikipedia and what my nieces' doctor advised, maltodextrin in Europe is
generally derived from wheat, and while it is usually derived from corn in the US.  Since one can ever tell
just where a given manufacturer got their supplies, my niece avoids it altogether on the off chance that
there is a bit of cross contamination (sort of like how most commercial oatmeal should be avoided by
Celiacs because while oats themselves are gluten free, they are usually stored in silos that also are used
to store wheat and thus are often cross contaminated).

Even with labeling, its a minefield.
 
2014-07-08 10:07:20 AM  

Muta: Muta: Ker_Thwap: Never had those side effects.  Possibly I had some other sort of bacteria causing the ulcer, but either way, I'd have gladly traded the considerable pain for having to manually monitor my food intake.

H. Pylori is a bacteria that can cause ulcers.  Removing it from your system helped you.  The human body didn't evolve with an ulcer causing bacteria in its gut just to dick with your head.  If that were the case then evolution would have eliminated it long ago.  The bacteria also has some health benefits which you are not experiencing now.  So heads up.


My point in bringing it up, is that the guy in the article seemed to imply that ulcers were caused by one's diet.
 
2014-07-08 10:07:40 AM  

dready zim: It`s the hypocritical way the guy basically said `your fad diet is wrong but my fad diet is right`.

To people not on a fad diet there isn`t much difference between no gluten, paleo, atkins or any of the fad diets.


To be fair, there is no diet plan that is NOT a fad anymore.  Your diet plan with random pairings of fat/salt/carbs/protein?  nothing proven or scientific behind that, let's call it your personal fad.  fat and salt are bad for you?  that fad ran out a long time ago.  vegan? carbo loading? more fads.  how about basic "eat healthy"?  biggest fad since what's healthy changes every few years.
 
2014-07-08 10:08:22 AM  

machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form


I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?
 
2014-07-08 10:08:37 AM  

Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.


My younger sister used to do cross fit and paleo herself. I don't think she ever looked that good and she sang the gospel of the lifestyle. One of the selling points for her was that it's good for the skin and since she was 13 she's had terrible acne, still to this day (her 30th birthday is around the corner). Her various dermatologists all insisted that it is nothing more than an old wives tale that food can affect ones skin/acne issues. Well, after a few months on paleo not only did her skin finally clear up but some of her old bacne scars started to disappear or at least become less noticeable.

Then life happened, she fell off the wagon and in about 3 weeks of eating breads again her skin got oily again and the acne reared its ugly head. She's been trying to get back into cross fit and the diet but it's hard for a girl on her income and living alone to commit to it.

/cousin has a mild wheat allergy
//was a surprise to everyone when we learned her rosatia (sp?) was a result of eating certain kinds of glutens
 
2014-07-08 10:09:41 AM  

Fibro: moothemagiccow: Fibro: frankmanhog: Hanson Cheng doesn't pay much attention to the gluten-free haters. Feeling out of shape a couple of years ago, he joined a CrossFit training gym and went on the Paleo Diet, which consists of mostly meat and vegetables.

My eyes just rolled out of my skull.  Nice of them to close the article with an example of one of the problem idiots.

I don't get your post.  Are you jealous that this guy has the physical prowess to Crossfit and the discipline to eat a consistently clean diet, and you do not? Where's the hate coming from?

I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet.  Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

What was before? Atkins and Pilates?

Never touched the Atkins diet and I'm not flexible enough to do Pilates.  I assume you're asking so that you can make your life journey match my life journey so that one day you can achieve the same results.


I'm trying the New Atkins now, the one that allows for carbs and caffeine even in the induction phase. Been on it a week and having trouble getting below 25g of carbs...

They have a phone app that is supposed to help out a lot. Problem is that their phone app isn't very user friendly, and their barcode database is pretty weak as well.

I track a lot of the stuff through reading labels and doing the math and according to that, i'm always below 20g (which is where i should be).

Then later I go through and finally find the food I'm looking for in the app, and find out there's more carbs in the food than the label says. Most of the times it's because the label says 0 carbs, but then when i finally find it in the app, there's something like .75g of carbs per serving, or .9g. Turns out, if there's less than 1g they are allowed to label it as 0.

When you are trying to be as precise as 20g a day, having 3 servings of hidden .75 grams here and another couple servings of .6g there and suddenly I'm up to 25...

I'm about to go to the extreme so that I'm well below the 20g a day so that if there's some hidden carbs in my diet somewhere, I won't have to worry too much about it...
 
2014-07-08 10:11:32 AM  
The gluten-free diet is awesome for one simple reason, there are more gluten free menu options when going out to eat.

/Gluten makes my son shiat blood.
 
2014-07-08 10:12:00 AM  

Vangor: Either Chopin, which is potato based and therefore naturally gluten-free, or Tito's, which due to distillation procedures is gluten-free, are both excellent options if you haven't found a good enough vodka yet. The latter is less expensive and becoming increasingly more common.


All distilled alcohols are gluten free, even if distilled from wheat.
 
2014-07-08 10:12:18 AM  

El Dudereno: Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway

On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.

The second group is most of the people who "wanted to help out".
Funny thing is, Mrs. Dudereno doesn't cook anyway. I do. She was busy with the baby, and I could still make dinner for the family.
Also, I've found that 'healthy' means very different things to different people. Saying 'gluten free' gave them a much better idea.


I disagree, it could give them the exact wrong idea and it's kind of a jerk thing to do.  Had my daughter for instance had told me this, I'd have gone out and bought gluten free ingredients, spent extra hours preparing them, and potentially shown up at the door with a big fattening casserole, and some macarons.  Gluten free does not equate to healthy.
 
2014-07-08 10:13:36 AM  

Loreweaver: If the lunch meat you are buying says "Gluten Free" on the package, they are either using it as a marketing gimmick to increase the price (since meat does not have gluten) , or they are adding grain-based fillers to the meat.


A lot of deli meats have added cornstarch to them. Usually as part of the glaze so yeah, even buying lunch meat can be a bit of a gamble for people with allergies.
 
2014-07-08 10:16:57 AM  

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?


You're likely still young.  If you do pullups incorrectly, you'll tear out your shoulders eventually.

/Of course I have no idea why anyone would assume you're doing them incorrectly.
 
2014-07-08 10:17:25 AM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


How very unliberal of you.
 
2014-07-08 10:19:14 AM  

KatjaMouse: Her various dermatologists all insisted that it is nothing more than an old wives tale that food can affect ones skin/acne issues. Well, after a few months on paleo not only did her skin finally clear up but some of her old bacne scars started to disappear or at least become less noticeable.


i'm in a similar boat.  i've had moderate acne for over 20 years (i'm 35 now).  6 months ago i eliminated most of the meat from my diet (only on weekends and i'm highly selective), cut most refined sugar/grain and started rock climbing 2-3 days a week.  my skin looks better than it ever has.  maybe it's a coincidence, i don't know.
 
2014-07-08 10:20:07 AM  

eeyore102: I made this huge long post but it got eaten. Least it was gluten-free.

Anyway...

A year ago I was diagnosed with celiac disease via a blood antigen test and an upper gastrointestinal endoscopy. Since going on a gluten-free diet, I've discovered a few things.

1. I can definitely tell when I've eaten gluten because I spend the next few days visiting the toilet eleventy times a day, I want to sleep when I'm not on the toilet, and I get seriously emotionally unstable and irrational for some reason.

2. It's amazing the things I've found that do contain gluten. A rotisserie chicken I was going to buy turned out to have wheat starch. Pumpkin seeds had unbromated wheat flour. Even the peanuts on Southwest had wheat starch as an ingredient. I can't take anything for granted.

3. My parents are dumb and don't get what celiac disease or gluten is, though I've tried to explain. They can't get why I can't have white bread ("well it's not wheat bread right?"), why I can't have gravy, why I can't eat the butter if they've gotten toast crumbs in it, that brown sugar does not have gluten, etc., etc.

4. It's way easier for me to just bring my own food everywhere, but some people get remarkably defensive about that. They don't get that it isn't about them, it's about me not wanting to deal with the repercussions of my illness.

Fortunately, there is a pill in clinical trials that could help with the cross-contamination issues.  http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/CeliacDiseaseDrugs/fl/Alvine-Pharma - Celiac-Disease-Drug.htm


I've heard that rather than pills they were testing a Beano-type enzyme additive you put in food before
you eat it, but I'm mostly quoting you to re-emphasize the validity of everything you wrote.

My niece was diagnosed at 9 months old, so she has literally grown up knowing her limitations, and her
entire family has really embraced helping her along through it and making sure that despite the limits of
her condition she has had an absolutely normal childhood.
 
2014-07-08 10:20:20 AM  

lilplatinum: Vangor: Either Chopin, which is potato based and therefore naturally gluten-free, or Tito's, which due to distillation procedures is gluten-free, are both excellent options if you haven't found a good enough vodka yet. The latter is less expensive and becoming increasingly more common.

All distilled alcohols are gluten free, even if distilled from wheat.


While being lacking in gluten, being gluten-free tends to mean lack of cross-contamination for folks with celiac disease, which i snot true of all distilled alcohols; although reading back over the previous comment I apparently misread his wife as having the disease rather than an allergy, which makes finding a vodka she is able to tolerate all the more easy due to exactly what you just said.
 
2014-07-08 10:21:29 AM  

lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I cut out gluten because it causes a low level reaction that apparently makes my immune system weak and causes an autoimmune disease, and if I stop eating gluten that reaction will go away and the autoimmune disease will just fix itself right up.

/this is what these retards actually believe.


I'll bet you've been wasting your time with doctors and science.
 
2014-07-08 10:22:57 AM  
CSB: I get some serious GI issues when I eat some items with gluten - especially my gfs waffles and mac/cheese for some reason.  Wish I could figure it out, but switching to gluten-free doesn't completely help, and I love to eat things like waffles and pizza and mac and cheese so hopefully science will find a way around it.
 
2014-07-08 10:23:56 AM  

KatjaMouse: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

My younger sister used to do cross fit and paleo herself. I don't think she ever looked that good and she sang the gospel of the lifestyle. One of the selling points for her was that it's good for the skin and since she was 13 she's had terrible acne, still to this day (her 30th birthday is around the corner). Her various dermatologists all insisted that it is nothing more than an old wives tale that food can affect ones skin/acne issues. Well, after a few months on paleo not only did her skin finally clear up but some of her old bacne scars started to disappear or at least become less noticeable.

Then life happened, she fell off the wagon and in about 3 weeks of eating breads again her skin got oily again and the acne reared its ugly head. She's been trying to get back into cross fit and the diet but it's hard for a girl on her income and living alone to commit to it.

/cousin has a mild wheat allergy
//was a surprise to everyone when we learned her rosatia (sp?) was a result of eating certain kinds of glutens


I hope she gets back into it on the exercise and the diet side of things.  I realize Crossfit can be expensive but it should be fairly easy to cut something else out of your lifestyle to accommodate a program that will make you look and feel so much better.  Best of luck to her. :)
 
2014-07-08 10:24:48 AM  

Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

I'm just curious if you tried to Crossfit and gave up or never had the courage to try at all? You're clearly ignorant about the program.  Just like anything in life - it is what you make of it.  You can absolutely Crossfit without going overboard on range of motion or the weight you're lifting.


All you really need is something like this...
www.highintensitybodybuilding.org
If you can fit in your basement, you don't have to deal with the knobs at the local gym or be a part of the crossfit gang.
 
2014-07-08 10:25:26 AM  
These gluten intolerance people are glutenist! Where is the outrage? Why hasn't someone been chastised and lost their jobs over their intolerance of gluten?

This should make the glutenists' blood boil.
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2014-07-08 10:25:39 AM  

KatjaMouse: Loreweaver: If the lunch meat you are buying says "Gluten Free" on the package, they are either using it as a marketing gimmick to increase the price (since meat does not have gluten) , or they are adding grain-based fillers to the meat.

A lot of deli meats have added cornstarch to them. Usually as part of the glaze so yeah, even buying lunch meat can be a bit of a gamble for people with allergies.


Except corn is gluten free... the problem I believe in some meat products is that it is mixed with flour as a binding agent. So for example, you have a chicken breast, but you can't easily slice a chicken breast into a paper thin, perfectly round piece of meat. So they process the shiat out of if, make it into small particles, ad some flour and some other shiat to turn it into a paste that they can put into a form before they cook it, then after they can stick it in a machine to slice and package.
It's probably not that hard for them to find a corn substitute as a binder.
 
2014-07-08 10:27:12 AM  

Lord Farkwad: These gluten intolerance people are glutenist! Where is the outrage? Why hasn't someone been chastised and lost their jobs over their intolerance of gluten?

This should make the glutenists' blood boil.
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Those touch me in my medieval places...
 
2014-07-08 10:30:19 AM  

CeroX: It's probably not that hard for them to find a corn substitute as a binder.


Don't get your hopes up, I am sure they'll replace the flour with a petroleum based binder.
 
2014-07-08 10:30:29 AM  

Vangor: While being lacking in gluten, being gluten-free tends to mean lack of cross-contamination for folks with celiac disease, which i snot true of all distilled alcohols; although reading back over the previous comment I apparently misread his wife as having the disease rather than an allergy, which makes finding a vodka she is able to tolerate all the more easy due to exactly what you just said.


My brother has celaic, he is able to drink bourbon.  If done right distilling should remove all the gluten (although some booze adds in mash or something after distillation so you have to be careful) - but I probably would not get some plastic bottle hooch if I were celiac.

God, if I had a disease that didnt let me drink beer and limited my booze to shiatty Vodka, I might just end it.
 
2014-07-08 10:31:46 AM  

lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I cut out gluten because it causes a low level reaction that apparently makes my immune system weak and causes an autoimmune disease, and if I stop eating gluten that reaction will go away and the autoimmune disease will just fix itself right up.

/this is what these retards actually believe.


Sounds like you've been dealing with people that are gluten-free by choice, not by necessity. My wife was diagnosed with Celiac a few years ago. If you talk to her and tell her that you're going to try going gluten-free* to lose weight she'll flat out tell you you're an absolute idiot.

*gluten-free in the sense of substituting normal foods for gluten-free substitutes such as normal cupcakes for gluten-free, etc., not going paleo or whatever
 
2014-07-08 10:34:09 AM  

CeroX: So they process the shiat out of if, make it into small particles, ad some flour and some other shiat to turn it into a paste that they can put into a form before they cook it, then after they can stick it in a machine to slice and package.


At which point, it is no longer chicken, but a bread pudding with poultry product in it.

Bleah.
 
2014-07-08 10:34:19 AM  

Gary-L: CruJones: No matter what your nutritionist told you, there is no test for gluten "sensitivity"

There sure is, but please, continue sharing your vast medical knowledge and experience.


Hi. Biotech here. Please tell me how can I test for gluten sensitivity other than by trial and error/empirical research?

Thank you for your time!
 
2014-07-08 10:34:19 AM  

Fibro: I hope she gets back into it on the exercise and the diet side of things. I realize Crossfit can be expensive but it should be fairly easy to cut something else out of your lifestyle to accommodate a program that will make you look and feel so much better. Best of luck to her. :)


Thanks. Also her flour free chocolate cake was to die. As was her maple syrup and nut encrusted fish. She wasn't a better cook than the time she was really into that diet.
 
2014-07-08 10:34:52 AM  

006deluxe: Sounds like you've been dealing with people that are gluten-free by choice, not by necessity. My wife was diagnosed with Celiac a few years ago. If you talk to her and tell her that you're going to try going gluten-free* to lose weight she'll flat out tell you you're an absolute idiot.

*gluten-free in the sense of substituting normal foods for gluten-free substitutes such as normal cupcakes for gluten-free, etc., not going paleo or whatever


Yes, I am aware of Celiac disease, my brother has it - it's just very rare and the vast bulk of people who are glutards are jumping on the latest trend - especially here in Brooklyn (unless hipsters have about a 10000000% higher chance of being Celiac).
 
2014-07-08 10:35:40 AM  

sethen320: Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.

Its just as valid as making up a fake ailment.


Yes, my son puking eight times a day and the 'scope of his small intestine with the villi swollen and laying flat was totally fake.

The waitress goes on and on about an allergy, when Coeliac disease is an auto immune response, in other words an intolerance, not an allergy. Sure, there are a lot of idiots out there who seem to believe that a gluten free diet is some cure all, or will improve them in some way. I've also know a dumbass (not my son) who has been diagnosed with Coeliac's who will eat the filling out of a cheesecake and leave the crust. Dumbass gets sick every time.
As far as companies slapping the gluten free tag on their products, it's a mixed blessing. In some cases it's outright stupidity. Look at the back of the bottle. That's right, you can feel safe that your toilet bowl cleaner is Gluten Free. http://shop.seventhgeneration.com/toilet-bowl-cleaner.html

Anyone who has had a diagnosis for a while knows that a lot of items are naturally gluten free, it's when there is something like spices or "natural flavorings" listed on a package that it's nice to have some clarification. I've called up companies, granted it's been a few years, and asked about a product containing gluten and was once told, "No, it doesn't contain glue, why would it contain glue?" Not glue, gluten. "I don't understand". And that wasn't the person that just answered the phone, that was supposed to be their health expert.
 
2014-07-08 10:36:35 AM  
From my research, the 0.8% of the population has Celiac disease. For people with Hypothyroidism, it increases to around 4-6%. Also thyroid issues people tend to have a higher rate of sensitivity to gluten and other grains. If a person has Hashimoto's disease, then gluten needs to be eliminated from diet completely. The protein portion of gluten is nearly identical to the protein found in the thyroid, which if the body determines that gluten is a foreign object that needs to be attack, then the immune system will attack the thyroid.
I went gluten free to determine if my health would benefit. I have seen an increase in energy levels and diarrhea has significantly decreased. When at restaurants I order food that will not contain gluten, yes may be cross contamination, but that will not kill me. I do not advertise or demand gluten free menu items from the waitress.
Next doctor's visit I will get tested.

/where is my coffee?
//Miss the beer!!
 
2014-07-08 10:36:50 AM  

Czechzican: Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.


Are your friend is just a friend, and not THIS asshole?

www.optimumhealthvitamins.com
 
2014-07-08 10:39:23 AM  

weddingsinger: Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.

It's not medical advice, its manners.  As a server, people often lied about their allergies (no, I don't believe you're allergic to tomatoes, or blue cheese).  Its a HUGE PIA for a restaurant to accomodate an actual allergy, compared to a simple request to leave a certain food out.  And allergen gets a separate prep area, and requires much more care and removes an employee from other tasks.  A simple request means just leaving the food off the damn plate.

The real nuisance here is, people have no damn clue why they're going gluten free, and think gluten is bad for you.  They probably also think its a carb.

And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697


Heh, one of my inlaws IS actually allergic to tomatoes, and a whole lot of other stuff, including gluten...yes, I'm sure the diagnosis is overused, and, yes, restaurant patrons can be a royal pain.

But she ain't faking...she really loved all the stuff she's had to give up eating, and it's not like she's trying to convert the rest of us to gluten-free or anything.  She had kids in her late 30's, and all these issues cropped up after her kids were born...could be related, I guess.
 
hej
2014-07-08 10:39:33 AM  

thisdaydreamer: hej: nunyadang: hej: thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks.

I really want to know how other people choosing  not to eat something is a problem for you.

Because he is a fat farker

Then I would think he'd be happy that there's more food left for him.

Aw. You guys are so cute. I knew you'd come along eventually.

Let me explain it to you. People with celiac disease have to severely restrict what they eat. People who hop on the gluten-is-evil bandwagon make everyone who truly has to avoid gluten look like a trendy dieter rather than a person with a serious illness, which convinces food companies and servers to ignore anyone looking for gluten-free food. Hence, folks with celiac are in more danger (and, yes, celiac disease can be deadly) while the trendy dieters get to keep thinking that they are ssssoooooo much healthier for dumping gluten.

There's also the arrogance of declaring your diet to be as important as someone who must restrict themselves or land in the hospital.

I am neither celiac nor gluten free. I just really hate what my friends are going through because of the latest nutritional fad.


My best friend has Celiacs disease, I don't need it explained to me.  The people who convince servers to ignore people looking for gluten-free food are the same people who come on forums like this one and mock others for their dietary choices.
 
2014-07-08 10:40:00 AM  

BorgiaGinz: Would you believe there's gluten-free dog food? That's the new fad down at my pet-food store, all the bags of  the expensive dog food have "GLUTEN-FREE!!!" added to the labeling. Since when do dogs have celiac disease?


Dogs don't handle grain well to begin with, calling it gluten free is just jumping on the fad.  My dog has extensive problems with his joints.  We've gone through all of the treatments (stem cells, etc) to get him better but moving to a grain free diet has probably helped the best.  It's a bit more pricey obviously but worth it.  Their coats will be nicer which will be better for yours and their allergies.
 
2014-07-08 10:44:59 AM  

vudukungfu: I was just picking up lunch-meat for my sammiches in the store.
Ham, Turkey, roast beef, all labeled Gluten free.
Really?

What's next?
Fructose intolerance?


Have you seen all the biatching about high fructose corn syrup as a sweetner?  Not from the people that say it doesn't taste as good as sugar.... but from the people who say it's killing us?
 
2014-07-08 10:48:00 AM  

Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway

On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.

The second group is most of the people who "wanted to help out".
Funny thing is, Mrs. Dudereno doesn't cook anyway. I do. She was busy with the baby, and I could still make dinner for the family.
Also, I've found that 'healthy' means very different things to different people. Saying 'gluten free' gave them a much better idea.

I disagree, it could give them the exact wrong idea and it's kind of a jerk thing to do.  Had my daughter for instance had told me this, I'd have gone out and bought gluten free ingredients, spent extra hours preparing them, and potentially shown up at the door with a big fattening casserole, and some macarons.  Gluten free does not equate to healthy.


I was actually a bit more specific than just gluten free. I also had to consider that most of the people bringing food were church ladies.
Fortunately, no one brought baked goods made from the expensive GF ingredients. Church ladies do like to make jello though.
 
2014-07-08 10:49:38 AM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat


Because idiots adhering to nonsensical fad diets are physically incapable of shutting the fark up about their new diet-slash-magic-health-bullet.  Ideally, I would never have to hear about this UH-MAZING! gluten-free diet from someone who has never even heard of celiac, but we don't live in that world, so the consolation prize is mocking them for their idiocy.
 
2014-07-08 10:50:13 AM  

El Dudereno: Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: Ker_Thwap: El Dudereno: I tell people I'm gluten free so they don't bring me junk food.
We had a baby a few months ago, and everyone wanted to bring us a meal to help out. The gluten free thing meant they weren't just bringing us a pizza or a giant bowl of pasta, which isn't on our menu at home. Also we didn't get a metric ton of baked goods.
If I'd asked that no junk food was brought over, people would have ignored it.

/would have been better if they brought is diapers, but they wanted to feel more helpful than that
//would have been fine with them just coming over to have a look at the baby
///that's what they really wanted anyway

On one hand, no one likes to be lied to.  Had you told me the truth, I'd have brought you over something healthy. (hypothetically of course.)  On the other hand, some people are fat and stupid and think that fatty cooking is the only way they can express their love.

The second group is most of the people who "wanted to help out".
Funny thing is, Mrs. Dudereno doesn't cook anyway. I do. She was busy with the baby, and I could still make dinner for the family.
Also, I've found that 'healthy' means very different things to different people. Saying 'gluten free' gave them a much better idea.

I disagree, it could give them the exact wrong idea and it's kind of a jerk thing to do.  Had my daughter for instance had told me this, I'd have gone out and bought gluten free ingredients, spent extra hours preparing them, and potentially shown up at the door with a big fattening casserole, and some macarons.  Gluten free does not equate to healthy.

I was actually a bit more specific than just gluten free. I also had to consider that most of the people bringing food were church ladies.
Fortunately, no one brought baked goods made from the expensive GF ingredients. Church ladies do like to make jello though.


Dang, a liar and high maintenance
 
2014-07-08 10:50:51 AM  
I recently started shopping at a fancy-pants organic market for my produce because they have the best fruits and vegetables of the half-dozen or so markets I've tried in a five-block radius. Last week, I needed to buy some pasta, and never having been to that section of the store, I figured I'd give it a shot.

They had eight f*cking brands of gluten-free pasta, and one brand of insanely expensive regular-ass pasta. I was floored that I had to go to another store to buy pasta. Fortunately, their produce is still excellent, and they're not too far away, but I doubt that I'll be straying too far from the produce section.

As I walked to the big-chain market for my pasta, I just kept thinking that there's no way that fancy-pants organic market's pasta shelves looked like that five years ago. No f*cking way.

/CSB
 
2014-07-08 10:51:04 AM  
Anyone else read that as "Celtic"? The capital "C" threw me.

/*reads....why would the Irish need to eat a pizza?
 
2014-07-08 10:52:20 AM  

lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I


A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.
 
2014-07-08 10:52:26 AM  

vudukungfu: TheGogmagog: One person chooses a gluten free food and everyone builds this straw-man image of that person being a douche to waiters for no reason.

Most people are douches to waiters,
except ex kitchen staffers.


Or people with respect for their fellow humans and good manners.  Unfortunately, like you pointed out, most people are dicks.
 
2014-07-08 10:52:28 AM  

hej: The people who convince servers to ignore people looking for gluten-free food are the same people who come on forums like this one and mock others for their dietary choices.


And I'm pissed off at the people who have turned gluten free into the latest fad diet. It's good that it leads to more gluten free choices, but it also convinces servers and others that all it is is a fad diet.
 
hej
2014-07-08 10:52:54 AM  

China White Tea: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat

Because idiots adhering to nonsensical fad diets are physically incapable of shutting the fark up about their new diet-slash-magic-health-bullet.  Ideally, I would never have to hear about this UH-MAZING! gluten-free diet from someone who has never even heard of celiac, but we don't live in that world, so the consolation prize is mocking them for their idiocy.


Interestingly, if this thread is any indication, it's the people who aren't participating in whatever "fad diet" that are idiots incapable of shutting the fark up about their irrational-hate-for-what-other-people-eat.
 
2014-07-08 10:53:18 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Pathman: Cold_Sassy: If your thing these days is Celiac disease you should really think about:  What if I had [any type of] cancer/a brain tumor/lost a limb [or two] in the war and QUIT FARKING WHINING about you so-called ailment.

uh, what if that "so-called ailment" is Celiac disease?

How about dealing with it?  If this is all that is 'wrong' with you, consider yourself lucky.


that's idiot logic.  Celiac disease is an auto-immune disorder and your quotations not withstanding would certainly qualify as having something "wrong."

there's always someone worse off, with the exception of one person I suppose... are you hostile towards people with other diseases you don't believe in or don't think are severe enough to warrant your sympathy?
 
2014-07-08 10:53:37 AM  

China White Tea: Because idiots adhering to nonsensical fad diets are physically incapable of shutting the fark up about their new diet-slash-magic-health-bullet.  Ideally, I would never have to hear about this UH-MAZING! gluten-free diet from someone who has never even heard of celiac, but we don't live in that world, so the consolation prize is mocking them for their idiocy.


because of the smug satisfaction you get from thinking you really put them in their place?  you go dude!!!
 
2014-07-08 10:56:45 AM  

Muta: lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I

A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.


By the time you are Type II you are pretty much past the "good diet will make it all better" stage as well.
 
2014-07-08 10:57:28 AM  

weddingsinger: Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.

It's not medical advice, its manners.  As a server, people often lied about their allergies (no, I don't believe you're allergic to tomatoes, or blue cheese).  Its a HUGE PIA for a restaurant to accomodate an actual allergy, compared to a simple request to leave a certain food out.  And allergen gets a separate prep area, and requires much more care and removes an employee from other tasks.  A simple request means just leaving the food off the damn plate.

The real nuisance here is, people have no damn clue why they're going gluten free, and think gluten is bad for you.  They probably also think its a carb.

And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697


I'm allergic to wheat, oats, tomatoes, onions, lettuce, spinach, carrots, bananas, celery, soy, peanuts, yeast, strawberries, milk, shellfish, gourds and melons. ( those are all "families" so being allergic to say bananas and avocados means I also have a latex allergy. There's whole huge lists of things because of that) Basically if it's a plant and it's not rice, corn, pears, peas or potatoes, im allergic to it.

If they are very well cooked I can tolerate most of them. Most I can tolerate small amounts of.

Since so many people have fake allergies and so many asshole servers and chefs thinks allergies are a joke I usually drop my big ass bag of pills and epipens on the table after I say I have an allergy to whatever and that I'm NOT joking.
 
2014-07-08 10:58:07 AM  

hej: China White Tea: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat

Because idiots adhering to nonsensical fad diets are physically incapable of shutting the fark up about their new diet-slash-magic-health-bullet.  Ideally, I would never have to hear about this UH-MAZING! gluten-free diet from someone who has never even heard of celiac, but we don't live in that world, so the consolation prize is mocking them for their idiocy.

Interestingly, if this thread is any indication, it's the people who aren't participating in whatever "fad diet" that are idiots incapable of shutting the fark up about their irrational-hate-for-what-other-people-eat.


Not really.  It's pretty basic shiat.

Got celiac?  You get a pass.

Don't have celiac, but are adhering to a gluten-free diet anyway because reasons?  Fine, but  shut the fark up about it, and certainly don't expect anyone to accommodate your entirely pointless and not-remotely-beneficial diet.  Do this, and absolutely nobody will give a single flying fark what you eat.

It's not an irrational-hate-for-what-other-people-eat - it's an entirely rational hate for having to hear about (and being expected to accommodate) your ridiculous and pointless diet.
 
2014-07-08 10:59:11 AM  

Czechzican: Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.


Im in the wrong business.
 
2014-07-08 10:59:41 AM  
Americans wanting to be special ruins things for people with legitimate health problems?

No way.

You mean that person who likes living in a clean house doesn't have OCD?
You mean that obnoxious prick on some games forum isn't really autistic?
You mean that furry tumblr user doesn't suffer from any sort of dysphoria?
You mean that wal-mart denizen doesn't suffer from glandular problems?
You mean that person who biatches about "triggering" off of vaguely related words that don't even evoke a particular situation doesn't have PTSD?


Christ, it's like people who actually have those conditions wouldn't wish them on anyone.
 
2014-07-08 11:02:05 AM  

Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)


You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?


Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair
 
2014-07-08 11:02:18 AM  
Our bodies were not designed for GMO wheat
 
2014-07-08 11:04:43 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: The Homer Tax: DjangoStonereaver: rikkards: DjangoStonereaver: Nuclear Monk: Fact: labeling something 'gluten free' removes 95% of any potential deliciousness.

You've never had my mother in law's flourless chocolate cake.

It is so good that I have to actively curb myself from eating an entire cake in one sitting because A> that
would make me feel like the fat pig I am and I don't like that feeling and B> deprive my legitimately
diagnosed Celiac niece from one of life's truly great pleasures.

Buddy makes a vegan chocolate cake that is to die for. Wifey is allergic to wheat (thank god not celiac) and eggs the one benefit for the gluten-free fad is that it makes it easier to find alternatives. hard part is finding things that don't use eggs as well.

Indeed; in my nieces' brief life the labelling of food has come leaps and bounds forward, which is a boon
to people with legit allergies and food sensitivities.

Still, though, the labelling only goes so far:  for example, anything with 'carmel coloring' or 'natural flavors'
generally are gluten (coming from wheat products), as is 'malto-dextrin', which is generally wheat sugar.
I have seen things that had 'GLUTEN FREE!' on the label with these as ingredients.

However, as my niece used to point out obsessively when she was a young child, Tootsie Rolls are
gluten free.

Maltodextrin doesn't have gluten in it. It's a polysaccharide, it's made up of nothing but a bunch of linked sugars. Gluten is a protein. That's why Foods with Maltodextrin in them can be labeled gluten free.

But, at least according to both Wikipedia and what my nieces' doctor advised, maltodextrin in Europe is
generally derived from wheat, and while it is usually derived from corn in the US.  Since one can ever tell
just where a given manufacturer got their supplies, my niece avoids it altogether on the off chance that
there is a bit of cross contamination (sort of like how most commercial oatmeal should be avoided by
Celiacs because while oats themselves are gluten free, they are usually stored in silos that also are used
to store wheat and thus are often cross contaminated).

Even with labeling, its a minefield.


Even if it's derived from wheat, it doesn't have gluten in it. It's just a sugar, there's no protein in it.
 
2014-07-08 11:06:09 AM  

CheapEngineer: For many it takes *several* passes of tests to find allergies, especially foods. My mother and sister both have severe food allergies (I have several) and some show up in the skin tests but not in the blood tests, some in the blood but not skin. Several things my mother is violently allergic to don't show up in any test, yet she can tell when something she eats has corn products in it within 30 minutes. It's damn hard to shop for her, and finding food she can eat is expensive and time consuming for a 70+ year old.

\most of her allergies worsened after a bad bacterial infection 20 years ago
\\the above information is for everyone else in the thread
\\\'cause I'm not pretending to myself you give a rat's ass

If the skin and/or blood test are inconclusive (which I'm highly incredulous of that fact), I would absolutely do a clinical double-blind test via consumption. What would be most interesting is if you gave her sample A and sample B - stating that one of them has some parts of the food she's allergic to, but in reality, neither one has any, and see if she has any symptoms. Of course, if you're at 70 and have numerous other health related issues, it doesn't matter much, as you can't change much with people long set in their ways.

What I have the largest issue with, is that it seems that about 10-15% of the population claims to be gluten intolerant - especially if you live in an urban area on the West Coast, and you're under the age of 35. I have 4 friends who claim their stomach issues are due to celiacs. I ask them how they got tested, and every one says "Oh, I didn't see a doctor, I just know."

It reminds me of the brother's kids, who claim all kinds of food allergies: "Oh, I'm allergic to shellfish" Then I point out to them that for lunch, several hours earlier, they had a crab cake. Suddenly, they'll claim all kinds of symptoms. Same goes for them and fish, yet they'll eat fish and chips all day long.

And don't get me started on my aunt, who fully believes that both fructose and gluten causes her stomach problems.
 
2014-07-08 11:06:29 AM  
I read somewhere that people who go gluten free are setting themselves up for digestive problems down the road because a gluten free diet eliminates a lot of sources of fiber vitamins and minerals. Now people who are gluten free under the advice of a real doctor will get counseling on how to replace these things, but people who are gluten free on a whim or they are self diagnosed often won't, and will end up with digestive problems after prolonged gluten free dieting.
 
2014-07-08 11:07:02 AM  

FTDA: most people are dicks.


True that
I had a job where I was encouraged to be a dick.
It sucked.
I wasn't very good at being a dick.
Now I get paid to be nice to people and it's not so stressful.
Even when they are dicks.
 
2014-07-08 11:07:25 AM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


#OccupyWholeFoods
 
2014-07-08 11:10:12 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Our bodies were not designed for GMO wheat


Please tell me you aren't serious and are trolling
 
2014-07-08 11:10:32 AM  

lilplatinum: Muta: lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I

A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.

By the time you are Type II you are pretty much past the "good diet will make it all better" stage as well.


I thought type I was "born with it" and Type II was later onset.  I remember a girl in my neighborhood almost died when we were kids and they found out she was diabetic.  My grandpa was diagnosed with Type II in his later years and I was led to believe it had a lot to do with him being overweight, a smoker, drinker, and general awesome guy.  It has been my understanding that if diet could help, it could help with type II.  People with Type I need to monitor their blood sugar and take insulin for the rest of their lives because their body doesn't produce it.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:46 AM  
I saw that backlash first hand, from a friend with Celiac that despite having his menu options expand, he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.

For him, Celiac was a curse, not something to revel and enjoy.

No more good pizza.  No more good beer.  And if he accidentally had some gluten, it was hospital time for him, and he had no insurance at the time.
 
2014-07-08 11:10:59 AM  

CeroX: It's hilarious how many people just go head first into whatever they think is the new health fad because they heard how gluten is bad in passing. It amazes me that people don't research this shiat for themselves to find out what it is. Gluten is a protein. So by eating gluten free bread, you are now eating only the carbohydrates from wheat and getting none of the fiber or protein... Then complain why your blood sugar is up and your getting fatter...


Gluten free bread doesn't contain any wheat, it is made from other grains, which don't contain those two proteins. Gluten free breads still contain protein.
It's hilarious that people just post shiat on Fark when they don't know what they are talking about. It amazes me that people don't research this shiat for themselves before posting, but I'm sure you'll say you were just trolling.
 
2014-07-08 11:12:45 AM  

aseras: weddingsinger: Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.

It's not medical advice, its manners.  As a server, people often lied about their allergies (no, I don't believe you're allergic to tomatoes, or blue cheese).  Its a HUGE PIA for a restaurant to accomodate an actual allergy, compared to a simple request to leave a certain food out.  And allergen gets a separate prep area, and requires much more care and removes an employee from other tasks.  A simple request means just leaving the food off the damn plate.

The real nuisance here is, people have no damn clue why they're going gluten free, and think gluten is bad for you.  They probably also think its a carb.

And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697

I'm allergic to wheat, oats, tomatoes, onions, lettuce, spinach, carrots, bananas, celery, soy, peanuts, yeast, strawberries, milk, shellfish, gourds and melons. ( those are all "families" so being allergic to say bananas and avocados means I also have a latex allergy. There's whole huge lists of things because of that) Basically if it's a plant and it's not rice, corn, pears, peas or potatoes, im allergic to it.

If they are very well cooked I can tolerate most of them. Most I can tolerate small amounts of.

Since so many people have fake allergies and so many asshole servers and chefs thinks allergies are a joke I usually drop my big ass bag of pills and epipens on the table after I say I have an allergy to whatever and that I'm NOT joking.


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2014-07-08 11:13:32 AM  

meat0918: he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.


meat0918: he had no insurance at the time.


Hey, at least his priorities were in order
 
2014-07-08 11:16:06 AM  

Carn: lilplatinum: Muta: lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I

A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.

By the time you are Type II you are pretty much past the "good diet will make it all better" stage as well.

I thought type I was "born with it" and Type II was later onset.  I remember a girl in my neighborhood almost died when we were kids and they found out she was diabetic.  My grandpa was diagnosed with Type II in his later years and I was led to believe it had a lot to do with him being overweight, a smoker, drinker, and general awesome guy.  It has been my understanding that if diet could help, it could help with type II.  People with Type I need to monitor their blood sugar and take insulin for the rest of their lives because their body doesn't produce it.


I was diagnosed as Type 2 in 2010.  "Manageable with medication and changes to lifestyle (diet and exercise)."

Well, I didn't follow the guidelines, and about 18mo ago, was put on insulin injections (and still taking a bunch of meds orally).  I have to do a single nightly injection of insulin.  Still better than my co-worker who injects 5-6 times a day.
 
2014-07-08 11:16:35 AM  
vudukungfu: verbaltoxin: We still have fat-free/low fat stuff all over the shelves

Yep, all the fat is waddling down the chips and cookies aisle.
With crotch gobblins.
]
Who is putting the wood to all these tubs of lard?
There is no self responsibility or self respect anymore.

"Imma git fat and pound out some crib puppies and eat all day" seems to the be whole of life's ambition for many young women out there.

But first, the "Go though college on someone else's dime and shove my malformed, uneducated opinions upon all those around me"

Face it. we don't just take care of the mentally ill in this country. We cater to them.

media.giphy.com
 
hej
2014-07-08 11:17:21 AM  

meat0918: No more good pizza.  No more good beer.  And if he accidentally had some gluten, it was hospital time for him, and he had no insurance at the time.


Which makes his contempt for other people ordering gluten free food rather odd, since common sense suggests it would lower the odds of cross contamination with his food.
 
2014-07-08 11:17:30 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

You're likely still young.  If you do pullups incorrectly, you'll tear out your shoulders eventually.

/Of course I have no idea why anyone would assume you're doing them incorrectly.


I' 35. I don't do crossfit, but I would need to see some data that shows those types of pullups are bad for you.
 
2014-07-08 11:17:36 AM  
I'm pretty sure we're going to say gluten is a superfood in seven years
 
2014-07-08 11:17:59 AM  
You can have a perfectly delicious gluten-free lifestyle with fresh fruit, vegetables, and meat while simultaneously not being an attention whore fad dieter.
 
2014-07-08 11:18:15 AM  

Carn: I thought type I was "born with it" and Type II was later onset.  I remember a girl in my neighborhood almost died when we were kids and they found out she was diabetic.  My grandpa was diagnosed with Type II in his later years and I was led to believe it had a lot to do with him being overweight, a smoker, drinker, and general awesome guy.  It has been my understanding that if diet could help, it could help with type II.  People with Type I need to monitor their blood sugar and take insulin for the rest of their lives because their body doesn't produce it.


Kinda (although Type 1 can be later onset sometimes).   Type 1 is an autoimmune disease where your immune system kills the beta cells in your pancreas that create insulin.   In type 2 your body becomes resistant to Insulin and your pancreas stops working well and making enough.   Managing either disease requires dietary discipline, but the idea that a good fad diet is going to cure your diabetes, regardless of if it is 1 or 2 is just snake oil merchantism.    A diet isn't going to cure an autoimmune disease in type 1, and the damage has been done by the time your fat ass is a type 2.
 
2014-07-08 11:18:15 AM  

Headso: meat0918: he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.

meat0918: he had no insurance at the time.

Hey, at least his priorities were in order


His job history is a little spotty, since before he was diagnosed it was hard to keep a job when you're in and out of the hospital because you didn't know what was wrong with you.
 
2014-07-08 11:18:31 AM  
The Homer Tax:

(snip stuff about maltodextrin)

Even if it's derived from wheat, it doesn't have gluten in it. It's just a sugar, there's no protein in it.

I only got the doctor's explanation second hand, but apparently its a case of potential cross- or latent
contamination. Even a molecule or two of gluten can damage a Celiac's villi.

I had thought that liquors distilled from wheat should all be OK because of the heat of distillation, but
unless its distilled multiple times like vodak (which good whiskeys aren't), there are still trace amounts of
gluten that will cause problems.

Not that my niece (who is 13) should be having booze of any sort, but she needs to know it for future
reference. Rum is better tasting, anyway, and that is definitely gluten free.
 
2014-07-08 11:20:06 AM  
I ended up gluten-free because of a diet the missus (i.e. head-chef) was on.

When I got bored with it after a number of months and started with sandwiches and the odd pizza again, now I get the joint pains, rashes, headaches and my guts doing their best to break the porcelain-throne.

Gluten-free. Not even once :/
 
2014-07-08 11:21:19 AM  

meat0918: Headso: meat0918: he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.

meat0918: he had no insurance at the time.

Hey, at least his priorities were in order

His job history is a little spotty, since before he was diagnosed it was hard to keep a job when you're in and out of the hospital because you didn't know what was wrong with you.


I'm just saying he should be more angry with the people keeping him from affordable or socialized medicine than with the people eating a gluten free diet.
 
2014-07-08 11:21:27 AM  
Since I was a child I've tended to avoid hamburger and hot dog buns, moreso hamburger because in non-fast food restaurants they tend to be humongous and I'd like to actually, you know, taste the burger and toppings and not a crapload of bread.  In recent times, particularly eating out around my hipsterish neighborhood, it never fails that when I ask for a burger without the bun, the first thing the perky tattooed server comes out with is "oh, we have a gluten-free bun!"  If I say no, I just don't want a bun, the second thing that comes out is "are you doing paleo?  We can wrap the burger in lettuce for you!"  Apparently I was trendy before my time ...
 
2014-07-08 11:21:33 AM  

hej: meat0918: No more good pizza.  No more good beer.  And if he accidentally had some gluten, it was hospital time for him, and he had no insurance at the time.

Which makes his contempt for other people ordering gluten free food rather odd, since common sense suggests it would lower the odds of cross contamination with his food.


It's the smug self-righteousness he hates, that and the constant "Oh, nothing is wrong with you, here have a slice of pizza".

I don't think he even goes out to eat anymore, too risky that some asshole back in the kitchen thinks he's just a fad-dieter.
 
2014-07-08 11:22:36 AM  

rev. dave: FTFA, "In the '50s, everyone had ulcers," he says. "Then, it was back problems. Now, it's gluten."

Well people still have stomach problems now known as GERD, and back problems never went away, just fewer surgeries and fewer bad backs from less manual labor.   Bad examples.
A few people don't eat gluten, most are trying to find out if they have food allergies or intolerance.
I just say low-carb since that is generally accepted as a way to stop being fat.


In fairness, my mom's ulcer back in 1987 turned out to be my 3rd little sister.  (By the time she admitted the possibility she was so far along the pregnancy test turned blue in under 10 seconds)
 
2014-07-08 11:24:04 AM  

Headso: meat0918: Headso: meat0918: he absolutely loathed and despised any of the gluten free hangers on.  And loathed and despised are mild words for how much hatred he had for them.

meat0918: he had no insurance at the time.

Hey, at least his priorities were in order

His job history is a little spotty, since before he was diagnosed it was hard to keep a job when you're in and out of the hospital because you didn't know what was wrong with you.

I'm just saying he should be more angry with the people keeping him from affordable or socialized medicine than with the people eating a gluten free diet.


I'd agree with that.
 
2014-07-08 11:28:28 AM  

machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair


Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.
 
2014-07-08 11:29:39 AM  

Orgasmatron138: I' 35. I don't do crossfit, but I would need to see some data that shows those types of pullups are bad for you.


"kipping" is universally considered bad by anyone who knows a damn about exercise.  the stress it puts on your rotator cuff is huge and there's no benefit, if not a negative benefit, from a standard issue deadhang pullup.  it just looks all crazy caveman and cool to your crossfit wildling buddies.
 
2014-07-08 11:31:28 AM  

Iceman_Cometh: Onkel Buck: If Someone Ever Tells You They Have A Gluten Allergy, Show Them This

Yes, I often take medical advise from a waitress.


I went home with a waitress, the way I always do.

How was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
 
2014-07-08 11:33:39 AM  
BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.

And yes, it IS annoying to see people talk about Celiac disease when they don't have it, and have no clue what they are talking about. It is dangerous and disrespectful to those who actuall have that disease.
 
2014-07-08 11:35:58 AM  

dready zim: Typhoid: dready zim: Slives: dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...

I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...

it is me being sarcastic but it is also what she actually said...

I wonder if there was some sort of hilarious misunderstanding because you can't eat french fries (due to contamination with breaded fried things) in most restaurants. She doesn't sound the brightest to try vegan and gluten free (my celiac vegetarian friends eventually gave up the vegetarian part because they liked to be able to eat every once in a while), so I could see that happening.

Nope, it was in our kitchen looking at raw potatoes that she could have had cooked any way she liked. We were suggesting baked then she could put whatever she liked on them.


What he meant was that her misunderstanding about potatoes having gluten was because she was told that French fries should be avoided. As he said the reason is not the potatoes, but cross contamination from the cooking grease, which would actually be a problem for someone with Celiac. Not understanding this she just assumed potato's must have gluten.
 
2014-07-08 11:38:24 AM  
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2014-07-08 11:38:34 AM  

Wizzywig: BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.


My mother has a confirmed diagnosis.  In addition, my son has a confirmed wheat allergy.  Not sure why you find it offensive that I would talk about this issue because I don't have it.  It sure impacts all of our lives, not just the ones that have it.  It is neither dangerous nor disrespectful and it is dumb to pretend that the only ones that can talk about it is the ones that have it.

Lighten up Francis.
 
2014-07-08 11:41:31 AM  
I have Crohn's and am missing about 5 feet of small intestine. I'm not Celiac but I have a lot of intolerances, or rather things that I just don't digest very well (end result: discomfort and lots of reading time on the throne). Gluten is delicious. Depending on the phase of the moon I can tolerate a small amount or not. Why anyone would want to go without gluten boggles my mind. If I could digest it reliably I would eat pizza and pasta every day of the week and six times on Sunday.
 
hej
2014-07-08 11:41:58 AM  

Wizzywig: BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.

And yes, it IS annoying to see people talk about Celiac disease when they don't have it, and have no clue what they are talking about. It is dangerous and disrespectful to those who actuall have that disease.


My best friend was diagnosed by a doctor.  fark off.
 
2014-07-08 11:43:50 AM  

Fibro: machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair

Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.


Kipping pullups are for people who aren't strong enough to do regular pull ups. With the motion needed to help you get above the bar, you lack the stability needed to keep your shoulder in a healthy position. Because the person lacks strength to go regular pull ups, you're continuously torquing your shoulder with every rep. Without stability, the ball moves around the socket unnaturally.

Injuries also happen because of poor technique training. And when you get tired, you get out of proper position...you can keep going while the person you're working doesn't stop you because they don't know what poor position looks like. Welcome to snap city, son.
 
2014-07-08 11:43:56 AM  

Muta: lilplatinum: I've been told by various glutards that my type 1 diabetes would clear right up if I

A lot of people confuse Type I with with Type II.  My son was diagnosed with Type I and he gets all sorts of advise goes along the lines of "if he'd just eat healthier and avoid ... while eating more ... then the diabetes can be reversed".  Perhaps with that advise works with Type II but changing his diet isn't jump starting his pancreas.


They really should have named them different things. All people hear is "Diabetes" and they assume that it has a cause because the most common type does. People just don't get that type 1 is the "No Fault" variety. You have it from bad luck in the genetic lottery, not from something you did.
 
2014-07-08 11:45:35 AM  

thisdaydreamer: I really want to smack a lot of the gluten-free-because-it's-like-healthy folks. Does your digestive tract do its job? Fantastic. Now shut the hell up and eat the stuff you whine so much about missing. Don't worry. You'll have another fad diet to follow and complain about in a few months, and maybe that one won't be so damn insulting to people with a serious, life-threatening illness.


Yup.  The fad diet guys are a real pain for those of us with real issues.  I don't have celiac but I have had people pretend things didn't contain ingredients I knew would give me trouble.  (Fortunately anaphylaxis isn't an issue.  Eating something wrong can be rather unpleasant but it won't kill me other than through malnutrition.)

rev. dave: FTFA, "In the '50s, everyone had ulcers," he says. "Then, it was back problems. Now, it's gluten."


And these days they know ulcers are an infection that can be cured rather than by going with a diet that minimizes symptoms.

TheGogmagog: Yes, because an allergy is fatal or it's fake. Blistering skin or boiling diarrhea isn't fatal so don't call it an allergy. Pisses me off about people claiming to be allergic to bee stings because they swelled all up like they do on TV. You didn't die, and you don't carry an eppy pen, you don't have a REAL allergy.


The problem is we don't have a good term here.  Medically, I know my issues aren't actually allergies.  Negative tests and anti-allergy medicines do nothing.  That doesn't mean they aren't real, though.  The docs simply label it "food intolerance".  It requires a very special diet to get the nutrition I need, though.

MrSteve007: What bothers me are the people who claim an allergy or an intolerance to a substance, but it's entirely self diagnosed. Guess what? If you haven't been tested, you probably don't know what you're allergic to.


The docs have no decent test for intolerance.
 
2014-07-08 11:47:07 AM  

Fibro: machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair

Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.


Nice refutation. Let's see your sources.

And even if kipping "pull ups" work the core, why the fark do them when they are hell on the shoulders, when you can do leg raises or whatever instead? Do you crossfitters like spassing on pull up bars?
 
2014-07-08 11:49:47 AM  

WhiskeySticks: Fibro: machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair

Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.

Kipping pullups are for people who aren't strong enough to do regular pull ups. With the motion needed to help you get above the bar, you lack the stability needed to keep your shoulder in a healthy position. Because the person lacks strength to go regular pull ups ...


LOL.

Everywhere I've been to won't let you kip unless you can bang out dead hang pullups.
 
2014-07-08 11:55:19 AM  
It's sad because there are people who genuinely do have some sort of negative reactions to gluten. I know of at least one woman who is highly allergic. Those I have all the sympathy for.

On the other hand, there are way too many people like my stepmom, who look at any little thing and say it's a gluten allergy. She sprung this on me one morning while she was eating donuts I'd brought back from Krispy Kreme. She had three all while preaching on about how she couldn't have gluten at all or she'd break out in hives. Oddly enough, we never saw any kind of reaction.

There's nothing evil or wrong with gluten. Gluten doesn't make you gain weight. It's not unhealthy. It's just that a very small amount of the population can't have it.
 
2014-07-08 11:57:07 AM  

joness0154: LOL.

Everywhere I've been to won't let you kip unless you can bang out dead hang pullups.



So that stops people from doing it other places? Good on them for establishing some sort of standard.
 
2014-07-08 11:59:50 AM  
I don't give a shiat what people eat or don't eat, but (stop reading here if you're one of these people, or proceed at your own risk of hurt fee-fees):

Just as people who get religion can't seem to shut the fark up about it, or people who start dating tend to act like they invented farking, people who follow certain diets can't a) admit that it's a diet fad, completely manufactured to sell stuff, like every other diet that's ever come and gone and b) resist lecturing the rest of us on how we're eating bad food or somesuch bullshiat. Some of them try to be subtle about it, but their frequent, sometimes snide little comments about what we eat (or feed our kids) kinda sucks the goodwill out of us and makes us want to punch them, after force feeding them whatever food they claim will kill us all before our time. They say ridiculous shiat that makes no goddam sense at all, as if daring us to respond so they can feel righteously persecuted by the Big Food lobby.

All I want to do is eat a farking sandwich or potato in peace without having to listen to some dipshiat go on about how they haven't eaten bread or a potato in 3 months, like they should get a commendation for it.

Unless you have a true, diagnosed-by-a-doctor food allergy/sensitivity, I don't care what you're not eating. Shut up.
 
2014-07-08 11:59:57 AM  

As someone who gets violent, painful diarrhea when he eats gluten (that's an actual measurable response not "foggy headed" or some such nonsense):

F*cking Good.  F*ck those stupid f*cking hippies in their *sses with a f*cking baguette.  A sweet, delicious baguette steaming hot from the oven. With butter.

Now I'm hungry.

Not eating gluten when you don't have an illness is HORRIBLE for you.  It will rob you of protein and keep you from getting enough fiber and taking big enough dumps.  I want the health food bit to end so I can get a frozen pizza with f*cking meat on it.

I also want these bullsh*t statistics to stop running around.  30% of people do not have a gluten "intolerance".  Either you show symptoms of serious digestive disorders like Crohns disease, frequently have diarrhea for no apparent reason, and respond violently after doing a (I hate this term, but for lack of a better phrase) gluten cleanse you're probably just eating too much crappy food.
 
2014-07-08 12:00:48 PM  
I know two people with Crohn's, two people who were told to avoid gluten in order to address other health issues, and one person with severe IBS (me, back in the day).  People with severe GI issues and auto-immune disorders such as Celiac's tend to be underweight.  Before my diagnosis, I was consuming several thousand calories a day and was not very active, but you could hang a coat-hanger on my collarbones. I was also sick all the time (chronic diarrhea will do that).  Thus, I tend to be suspicious when someone cuts back on gluten, wheat, etc. in order to lose weight.  Getting to the category of "obese" tends to require that you eat a lot of junk and it stays in you long enough to be stored as fat.  Not really common with those who are actually sick.

Now that I have my symptoms under control, I follow this amazing fad diet where I enter everything into MyFitnessPal and when I reach my calorie limit for the day, I either stop eating or go for a walk.  Amazing how well that works.
 
2014-07-08 12:01:03 PM  

Gaylord Fister: fark these people. I hope they die. I hope there's some kind of famine, and the only thing to eat is a bag of wheat that you get from the government like once per year. (whiny voice) "Uh, excuse me, do you have something gluten free?" Yeah, dirt. Eat farking dirt, you gluten freetard.

I'm farking sick that 99.9% of the people have to cater to the whims of retarded farking minorities. You're allergic to peanuts? I don't give a shiat. It's your own farking business. Grow and cook all your own food then.


Holy crap that made me lol!  Yeah, everything you just said!
 
2014-07-08 12:01:25 PM  
Out of the dozen or so people that I know who are gluten free, only one of them is a diagnosed celiac. The others are following a fad. Sure, it has increased demand for gluten free food which is great for the one person out of all of them who actually needs it, but now I roll my eyes at the entire lot because I'm so sick and farking tired of hearing about how special snowflake their diet is.
 
2014-07-08 12:02:14 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: All I want to do is eat a farking sandwich or potato in peace without having to listen to some dipshiat go on about how they haven't eaten bread or a potato in 3 months, like they should get a commendation for it.

Unless you have a true, diagnosed-by-a-doctor food allergy/sensitivity, I don't care what you're not eating. Shut up.


Can we get a "RIGHT ON!" button next to the SMART and FUNNY buttons?
 
2014-07-08 12:02:40 PM  

machoprogrammer: Fibro: machoprogrammer: Fibro: This text is now purple: Fibro: I Crossfit regularly and eat 85-90% paleo and life is good; definitely way better than before.

On the topic of gluten-free, I eat mostly gluten-free as it is just by nature of the paleo diet. Just because you can put something in your body, digest, and expel it doesn't mean you should.

You really don't get the irony of that statement in conjunction with Crossfit, do you?

\enjoy your crippling chronic joint pain

Ah, yes.  I'm sure you will be in excellent condition for a long time by keeping your fat ass in a chair all your life. ;)

You do know that there are other ways to work out not involving cross-fit, right? Ways that are much more joint, lower back and rotator-cuff friendly. Olympic lifts and deadlifts are not meant to be done for as many reps in 30 seconds; they need real good concentration or you can get severely injured. And kipping pull ups are nothing but rotator-cuff problems waiting to happen.

Orgasmatron138: machoprogrammer: lol crossfit. Enjoy your kipping "pull ups" and back pain from doing way too many reps of complex lifts with shiatty form

I don't get the comment about the pull-ups. Crossfit modified them to target the core. What's the problem?

Kipping pull-ups don't work the core or anything else for that matter. They do nothing but cause rotator cuff problems. All they do is allow cross-fitters to "just do work" and then brag how they can do 100 "pull ups". If you want to work core, do leg raises or something like that instead. Kipping pull ups give you zero benefit. At all. Unless you are a sports med surgeon that specializes in rotator cuff repair

Absolutely incorrect. Thanks for taking the time to post, though.

Nice refutation. Let's see your sources.

And even if kipping "pull ups" work the core, why the fark do them when they are hell on the shoulders, when you can do leg raises or whatever instead? Do you crossfitters like spassing on pull up bars?


Kipping pull-ups work your core, your lats, and - yes - they cause you to do "more work". If you have the shoulder flexibility then they're not dangerous. If you don't have the shoulder flexibility then you need to stretch regularly until you do - this is the same with any other move.

The primary positions you hit during a kipping pull-up (hollow body and superman) are directly from gymnastics. We have 2 coaches at our crossfit box - one was a top NCAA Gymnastics competitor and is now a trainer.

I still do strict pull-ups occasionally but there's nothing wrong with properly executed kipping pull-ups and they do have their place in specific workouts.
 
2014-07-08 12:02:45 PM  

Loren: Yup. The fad diet guys are a real pain for those of us with real issues. I don't have celiac but I have had people pretend things didn't contain ingredients I knew would give me trouble. (Fortunately anaphylaxis isn't an issue. Eating something wrong can be rather unpleasant but it won't kill me other than through malnutrition.)


Sounds like the real problem isn't the fad dieters, but the assholes who presume you are a fad dieter.
 
2014-07-08 12:04:18 PM  

Jument: If I could digest it reliably I would eat pizza and pasta every day of the week and six times on Sunday.


If you ate like that (I know it's hyperbole) you'd have Type II diabetes.  Cutting out pizza and pasta is a healthy thing to do.  They should both be treats, not staples.
 
2014-07-08 12:04:37 PM  
Smelly Pirate Hooker: [snip]  All I want to do is eat a farking sandwich or potato in peace without having to listen to some dipshiat go on about how they haven't eaten bread or a potato in 3 months, like they should get a commendation for it.

Unless you have a true, diagnosed-by-a-doctor food allergy/sensitivity, I don't care what you're not eating. Shut up.


Do these people think potatoes have gluten in them?  If so, please stab them with your fork.

Also, see my comment on physical, measurable response.
 
2014-07-08 12:07:30 PM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.
 
2014-07-08 12:09:23 PM  

varnigus: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.


Then don't invite them over.  Problem solved.
 
2014-07-08 12:11:41 PM  
There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.
 
2014-07-08 12:12:04 PM  
"In the '50s, everyone had ulcers," he says. "Then, it was back problems.

But that really happened. It's still happening.

Klimas's husband, Kurt Rieschick

Oh boy. Guess what else is often called a fad and a mental illness... Should you really be getting rid of your friends by "out"ing them in a newspaper?

ask gluten-free dieters whether they actually knew what gluten was. (Most didn't.)

Wow. I'm shocked. Biochemistry is too hard for most people, even those who have or are faking a fashionable disease. I had no idea. What a world we live in.

The number of people with the disease is rising - doubling every 30 years, on pace with other autoimmune diseases such as Type 1 diabetes

Wait what? You don't understand why the numbers are rising - it's not that Celiac is growing. (Although it may be, we can't tell.) The numbers are growing because Celiac was almost undiagnosable/undiscoverable until recently. Like the author said above the symptoms look like every other vague illness you can imagine. Unless you had an extreme case you weren't going to get diagnosed until recently, and even then you'd often be given the runaround.

"They love that I'm doing well with the company," Cheng says. "But at the end of the day, they still like Chinese food. They love their gluten."

I'd be seriously baffled also. Orientals almost never get Celiac. It's even rarer than Chinese who can drink milk.
 
2014-07-08 12:12:17 PM  

special20: czetie: I used to think I was lactose intolerant, but it turned out I'm intolerant of pretty much everything.

Me too, but really, I just like to fart loudly.

*lifts leg and leans*


So you're the one that scared the dog.  Thanks a lot jerk
 
2014-07-08 12:12:17 PM  

foo monkey: Jument: If I could digest it reliably I would eat pizza and pasta every day of the week and six times on Sunday.

If you ate like that (I know it's hyperbole) you'd have Type II diabetes.  Cutting out pizza and pasta is a healthy thing to do.  They should both be treats, not staples.


Meh, bullshiat. If you're a couch potato you need to eat like one but if you're active (I run/swim/bike 10+ hours a week) carbs are good. Although I have read about a small number of long distance endurance athletes who report success with low carb diets but they are a small minority.
 
2014-07-08 12:14:01 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: So you're the one that scared the dog.  Thanks a lot jerk


And then....

He killed the dog.

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2014-07-08 12:14:27 PM  

HeartBurnKid: varnigus: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.

Then don't invite them over.  Problem solved.


Yup.
 
2014-07-08 12:15:14 PM  
We should just send The Breadmaster (from the Tick) to these peoples' houses.

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2014-07-08 12:17:12 PM  

mike_d85: Smelly Pirate Hooker: [snip]  All I want to do is eat a farking sandwich or potato in peace without having to listen to some dipshiat go on about how they haven't eaten bread or a potato in 3 months, like they should get a commendation for it.

Unless you have a true, diagnosed-by-a-doctor food allergy/sensitivity, I don't care what you're not eating. Shut up.

Do these people think potatoes have gluten in them?  If so, please stab them with your fork.

Also, see my comment on physical, measurable response.


Nah, it's a no carb thing (or both; I dunno, I try not get him started, he doesn't eat bread or potatoes, for some reason I'm sure he thinks is super-important).

I know they're not the same. Just threw that in there, because if there's anyone who's more pretentious and deserves to be kicked in the taint more than the no gluten people, it's the no carb people.
 
2014-07-08 12:19:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: varnigus: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.

Then don't invite them over.  Problem solved.


I usually stop inviting them over after I've found out about it. A little harder when it happens to someone you are currently dating.

/No longer invite her over, either
 
2014-07-08 12:19:33 PM  

varnigus: Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.


That is why when we go places, we generally bring food for our son.  Much simpler that way, so long as you have a bit of time available.
 
2014-07-08 12:20:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.


Uh, I don't see any posts (maybe i missed one or two) that are vilifying legitimate sufferers of Celiac Disease or gluten sensitivity/intolerance.  In fact, there's a lot of sympathy for them.

The thread seems aimed at the asshats and douchetards who've jumped on the gluten-free bandwagon, and take every opportunity to let those around them know they are eating gluten-free. 

As someone who has apparently lost a loved one to Celiac Disease, doesn't it bother you that the medically-confirmed illness that killed your family member is being co-opted by a bunch of attention-whoring fad-tards who just want to seem cool while inconveniencing everybody around them?
 
2014-07-08 12:26:22 PM  

hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.


I'm sorry for your loss.  I don't think anyone disputes Celiac Disease is real and terrible.  Some people are just assholes.

And because you asked for it, I found you a happy one.
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2014-07-08 12:26:47 PM  

Bowen: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Three words: Gluten Free Beer

Just have a glass of wine if you want to be gluten free at the bar. Do we really need yet another frankenfood? Like sugar free grape jelly. Just...how? Have you ever had grapes? They're basically sugar and water. How are you mashing them up, jarring them and removing the sugar?

How?

HOW?!?

I actually don't care all that much but my first train was early (farking early!) and now my backup train is late (late! farking late!)


I once accidentally picked up a jar of sugar-free grape jelly once. It was revolting. Likewise, I once grabbed a bottle of salt-free ketchup by mistake one time, and found that salt is apparently what makes ketchup good.

This gluten-free nonsense is a bunch of crap. In all my life, I've known exactly one person with Celiac, and zero who were gluten-intolerant. I'm bemused when I think about the fact that humans have been consuming foods with gluten before even inventing agriculture, with very few ill effects save for those who have legitimate medical conditions, and now it's suddenly the worst thing ever. It makes me wonder how many of these idiots would have survived the 80's, when Oat Bran was the cure for every damned thing under the sun.
 
2014-07-08 12:27:24 PM  

hej: Wizzywig: BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.

And yes, it IS annoying to see people talk about Celiac disease when they don't have it, and have no clue what they are talking about. It is dangerous and disrespectful to those who actuall have that disease.

My best friend was diagnosed by a doctor.  fark off.


I actually have 2 nieces diagnosed with it, one a blood relative, both confirmed by blood and genetic
testing, so I agree with what hej said.

Sorry to burst your bubble of righteous indignation at AWs, Wizzywig, but in some places up to 20% of
the population can have Celiac disease, and it is tested for routinely in some parts of Europe.  But I'm
sure you knew that.
 
2014-07-08 12:27:26 PM  
People are idiots. I knew someone who claimed that taking cortisol blockers helped her lose weight. I have Addison's disease and told her that if those things were really working, she'd also be throwing up constantly and have dangerously low blood pressure. Oh, and she would also go into shock and die. She just thought that any steroid in the body was bad for you and made you fat. But hey, let's believe every commercial you see on tv.
 
2014-07-08 12:27:44 PM  

Snakeophelia: I know two people with Crohn's,


I dated a gal with Crohn's and we met in the bakery I managed.
If she hadn't mentioned it in passing, I never would have known.

We ate out a lot.
She was from Israel and was only dating me for my baklava recipe.
 
2014-07-08 12:27:46 PM  

MrSteve007: CheapEngineer: For many it takes *several* passes of tests to find allergies, especially foods. My mother and sister both have severe food allergies (I have several) and some show up in the skin tests but not in the blood tests, some in the blood but not skin. Several things my mother is violently allergic to don't show up in any test, yet she can tell when something she eats has corn products in it within 30 minutes. It's damn hard to shop for her, and finding food she can eat is expensive and time consuming for a 70+ year old.

\most of her allergies worsened after a bad bacterial infection 20 years ago
\\the above information is for everyone else in the thread
\\\'cause I'm not pretending to myself you give a rat's ass
If the skin and/or blood test are inconclusive (which I'm highly incredulous of that fact), I would absolutely do a clinical double-blind test via consumption. What would be most interesting is if you gave her sample A and sample B - stating that one of them has some parts of the food she's allergic to, but in reality, neither one has any, and see if she has any symptoms. Of course, if you're at 70 and have numerous other health related issues, it doesn't matter much, as you can't change much with people long set in their ways.

What I have the largest issue with, is that it seems that about 10-15% of the population claims to be gluten intolerant - especially if you live in an urban area on the West Coast, and you're under the age of 35. I have 4 friends who claim their stomach issues are due to celiacs. I ask them how they got tested, and every one says "Oh, I didn't see a doctor, I just know."

It reminds me of the brother's kids, who claim all kinds of food allergies: "Oh, I'm allergic to shellfish" Then I point out to them that for lunch, several hours earlier, they had a crab cake. Suddenly, they'll claim all kinds of symptoms. Same goes for them and fish, yet they'll eat fish and chips all day long.

And don't get me started on my aunt, who f ...


I'm just tired of the stupid tainting the public's opinion of people that really have these allergies.

I've spent the last few years learning how to make the christmas candies my mother and grandmother used to make, without wheat/corn/peanuts. Normal powdered sugar has corn starch in it to keep it from sticking together (I use a small coffee grinder to powder sugar for her, 1/3 cup at a time). Damn near *everything* has corn syrup in it. Hell, even the vanilla extract contains alcohol from corn, which makes her itch if she eats any (I have an airline bottle of potato vodka full of crushed vanilla beans). The Brits use a lot of Cane Sugar syrup, that's a handy replacement.

If everyone wants to eat like this for made up reasons - let 'em. That means there will be more products out there for people with the real issue to eat.
 
2014-07-08 12:30:02 PM  

Technoir: hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.

Uh, I don't see any posts (maybe i missed one or two) that are vilifying legitimate sufferers of Celiac Disease or gluten sensitivity/intolerance.  In fact, there's a lot of sympathy for them.

The thread seems aimed at the asshats and douchetards who've jumped on the gluten-free bandwagon, and take every opportunity to let those around them know they are eating gluten-free. 

As someone who has apparently lost a loved one to Celiac Disease, doesn't it bother you that the medically-confirmed illness that killed your family member is being co-opted by a bunch of attention-whoring fad-tards who just want to seem cool while inconveniencing everybody around them?


I'm pretty sure he was joking, since he brought up the old fark joke about Quinn.  I think posting the pic is still a bannable offense?  Or at least earns you a fark holiday.
 
2014-07-08 12:31:54 PM  

buckler: This gluten-free nonsense is a bunch of crap. In all my life, I've known exactly one person with Celiac,


So because your experience is limited, it is a bunch of crap?  Sounds a bit like argumentum ad ignorantiam to me.
 
2014-07-08 12:31:59 PM  
What is it about the Western psyche that makes people strive to be so willfully ignorant about food and nutrition?

A couple of good rules of thumb:

1) If you're on a diet that completely or nearly completely restricts a macronutrient (like carbs), it's not going to work long term and it's going to f*ck up your metabolism.

2) If your diet has a name, there's about a 99.6% chance it's junk science bullsh*t.
 
2014-07-08 12:32:18 PM  
I've known exactly one person in my life who had celiac disease, back in college.  When the rest of us were cutting our binge-drinking teeth on watery Natty Light at keg parties, she would carry around her own personal bottle of tequila, or sometimes rum.  That girl was one hard-drinkin' Lincoln.

Last I heard, she's a nun.  Ironically, the sisters at her convent run a bakery that produces nothing but communion wafers, which are basically just pressed wheatpaste.
 
2014-07-08 12:33:28 PM  

dready zim: Technoir: dready zim: One more thing, the diet I propose has no `banned` foods, you can eat anything you like but if you mix carbs and fat, protein and salt, or fat and salt you will need to regulate your calories (portion size) consciously as your body will not regulate them by itself so you *will* want to overeat.

Either eat them mindfully, sparingly or avoid them.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

EIP

I got them from `fat vs sugar`, a horizon programme on UK TV where two doctors (who are also twins) changed their diet for a month and one cut out fat and one cut out carbs to see the health effects of both and to see which wqas causing the rising tide of obesity. They did endurance tests and other tests during the month, looked at their appetite and did tests on themselves after a month.

They found the no fat diet lead a person to produce LESS insulin and become MORE sensitive to it, leading to more efficient processing of carbs, weight loss through appetite regulation and loss of fat. Apart from the missing nutrients in the fats there were no negative effects.

They found the no carbs diet lead a person to produce MORE insulin and become LESS sensitive to it, leading to less efficient processing of carbs, weight loss through appetite regulation and loss of fat AND MUSCLE.

Turns out that eating no carbs is putting you on the road to diabetes (increased insulin production + reduced sensitivity to insulin) and you lose about as much muscle as fat on the diet (because you eat your muscle to produce ketones for energy). It was seen as having a negative effect on health and not recommended.

They also looked at an experiment with rats where they were fed three extreme diet supplements. They had normal food and either a lump of fat (butter) a lump of carbs (sugar) or a mix of both (cheesecake)

with the lump of fat they would eat a bit of it but mostly eat their normal food and maintained a normal weight.

with the lump of ...



Seems complicated, or maybe just eat everything in moderation?

whatevs...

(U do have a point- I need a high protein, med complex carb breakfast to keep my blood sugar from spiking in the eve, which has a tremendously cascading affect on my appetite and weight gain)

People should get to know their bodies...it helps ALOT!
 
2014-07-08 12:35:01 PM  

Robo Beat: I've known exactly one person in my life who had celiac disease, back in college.  When the rest of us were cutting our binge-drinking teeth on watery Natty Light at keg parties, she would carry around her own personal bottle of tequila, or sometimes rum.  That girl was one hard-drinkin' Lincoln.

Last I heard, she's a nun.  Ironically, the sisters at her convent run a bakery that produces nothing but communion wafers, which are basically just pressed wheatpaste.


Talk about penance.
 
2014-07-08 12:35:18 PM  

HeadLever: buckler: This gluten-free nonsense is a bunch of crap. In all my life, I've known exactly one person with Celiac,

So because your experience is limited, it is a bunch of crap?  Sounds a bit like argumentum ad ignorantiam to me.


I thought about adding an "anecdotes are not evidence" caveat, but the idea is that, out of the many many thousands of people I've known in my life, the odds would seem to dictate that if gluten problems were as prevalent as the faddists make them out to be, that number should have been considerably higher.
 
2014-07-08 12:37:07 PM  

2KanZam: (U do have a point- I need a high protein, med complex carb breakfast to keep my blood sugar from spiking in the eve, which has a tremendously cascading affect on my appetite and weight gain)

People should get to know their bodies...it helps ALOT!


Who is this "ALOT" person, and how does it help him or her?
 
2014-07-08 12:37:31 PM  
Smoking was good for you, once upon a time.

The science can change, people.
 
2014-07-08 12:38:43 PM  
Not Celiac, but I definitely have a wheat allergy.  I get sick and inflamed if I eat any.

This does not cause me to order "special" things at a restaurant.  I just don't eat bread or any of it's related products.
 
2014-07-08 12:39:21 PM  

ongbok: Robo Beat: I've known exactly one person in my life who had celiac disease, back in college.  When the rest of us were cutting our binge-drinking teeth on watery Natty Light at keg parties, she would carry around her own personal bottle of tequila, or sometimes rum.  That girl was one hard-drinkin' Lincoln.

Last I heard, she's a nun.  Ironically, the sisters at her convent run a bakery that produces nothing but communion wafers, which are basically just pressed wheatpaste.

Talk about penance.


It turns into Jesus meat in your mouth and Jesus is gluten-free.
 
2014-07-08 12:39:54 PM  
I forgot to rip on the "clean eating" bullshiat. My bad.
 
2014-07-08 12:40:02 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Jesus is gluten-free


what do they make those farking wafers out of?
 
2014-07-08 12:40:15 PM  
Since we now know that ulcers are caused by bacteria, it's possible that the epidemic of ulcers was just that--an epidemic brought on in part by modern mass-produced food and ersatz foods that don't give the digestive system an adequate work-out. The back-pain "fad" could have been the result of a more sedentary work and life-style, combined with such novelties as telephones, pneumatic mail delivery, etc.

I wouldn't write off everything health and diet related as a fad.

Still, it's clear to me that a lot of people are somewhat hypochondriac when it comes to food. A lot of the "allergies" or "intolerance" or such are largely imaginary, perhaps even culture-bound ailments (like the shrinking-penis panic in China, the penis-theft panic of Africa, etc.

For each allergy or food intolerance, there is a small number of genuine sufferers and a large halo of less serious cases or hypochondriacs who explain the effects of obesity or pigging-out or simply a bit of indigestion or food poisoning by the handy and fashionable malady that media is peddling at the moment. Annoying but it's hard to tell the deluded from the genuine cases.

I'm not surprised if you have a problem with cheese if you scarf down a two pound package in a weekend though. That's not lactose intolerance. That's a cry for help from your over-worked digestive system. Your digestive tract is trying to call FEMA.
 
2014-07-08 12:40:36 PM  

vudukungfu: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Jesus is gluten-free

what do they make those farking wafers out of?


Air and shame.
 
2014-07-08 12:41:47 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: 90% of the "gluten free" crowd actually have no idea what gluten really is.
Just ask them.


What exactly do you expect as an answer, anyway?

I'm going to guess that most dieters can't explain the biochemical differences between carbs, fats and proteins to begin with. What more do most people need to know beyond "something in wheat"?
 
2014-07-08 12:42:36 PM  

buckler: the odds would seem to dictate that if gluten problems were as prevalent as the faddists make them out to be, that number should have been considerably higher.


I know 3 folks that have celiac and my son has a wheat allergy.  I know of 0 people that eat gluten free by choice.  In any case, it is not crap here.  As you know, other folks mileage may vary.

And if the pretentious folks bother you that much, what the hell are you doing on Fark?  Or do you just like to complain about others?
 
2014-07-08 12:42:40 PM  

Carn: I'm pretty sure he was joking, since he brought up the old fark joke about Quinn.  I think posting the pic is still a bannable offense?  Or at least earns you a fark holiday.


I've gotten many, many 24 hour time outs for posting it. It's one of the few pics that FARK will try to automatically filter out of a post now.
 
2014-07-08 12:42:45 PM  

lilplatinum: Vangor: Either Chopin, which is potato based and therefore naturally gluten-free, or Tito's, which due to distillation procedures is gluten-free, are both excellent options if you haven't found a good enough vodka yet. The latter is less expensive and becoming increasingly more common.

All distilled alcohols are gluten free, even if distilled from wheat.


Sigh, if you read what he was responding to, my wife isn't celiac, she is allergic to wheat so we had to find a vodka that was not grain based. I had found a decent Polish one that works. Also there is a company called spud that makes a sweet potato base vodka we want to try.
 
2014-07-08 12:43:27 PM  
Same here. I can handle a slice of pizza or two at the most every couple of weeks, but I notice a distinct effect. Usually I get all "mucous-y" and that's when I need to stop. Same thing with certain beers.

Wife on the other hand, cannot handle most, if not all, grains. She'll be in the bathroom for 24 hours.

/so when I want her out of my way, I sprinkle breadcrumbs into whatever I cook for dinner and just say it's fennel seed or something
//I don't really
///but I could
 
2014-07-08 12:44:59 PM  
Do "health" food stores still sell Seitan?  I wonder how they justify it...
 
2014-07-08 12:45:47 PM  

brantgoose: For each allergy or food intolerance, there is a small number of genuine sufferers and a large halo of less serious cases or hypochondriacs who explain the effects of obesity or pigging-out or simply a bit of indigestion or food poisoning by the handy and fashionable malady that media is peddling at the moment.


Allergies are generally easily tested for and diagnosed and should probably be removed from your rant.  Food intolerance, on the other hand can definatly be a catch-all
 
2014-07-08 12:48:02 PM  

rikkards: lilplatinum: Vangor: Either Chopin, which is potato based and therefore naturally gluten-free, or Tito's, which due to distillation procedures is gluten-free, are both excellent options if you haven't found a good enough vodka yet. The latter is less expensive and becoming increasingly more common.

All distilled alcohols are gluten free, even if distilled from wheat.

Sigh, if you read what he was responding to, my wife isn't celiac, she is allergic to wheat so we had to find a vodka that was not grain based. I had found a decent Polish one that works. Also there is a company called spud that makes a sweet potato base vodka we want to try.


Dude, some of the best ones are wheat-free.
http://titosvodka.com/faq/   Tito's is awesome.
http://www.ciroc.com/
 
2014-07-08 12:48:13 PM  

aseras: Since so many people have fake allergies and so many asshole servers and chefs thinks allergies are a joke I usually drop my big ass bag of pills and epipens on the table after I say I have an allergy to whatever and that I'm NOT joking.


When I was a server, if you did that with a sense of humor about it, knowing that other people without actual problems were being a PIA, that would have gotten a big laugh from me, and probably freebies in appreciation.
 
2014-07-08 12:49:14 PM  

HeadLever: varnigus: Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.

That is why when we go places, we generally bring food for our son.  Much simpler that way, so long as you have a bit of time available.


That's what Mrs. Smurf has to do when we go to 4H events.  It's no big deal for us since the relatively minor diet restrictions mean we have to eat better tasting food.  It drives the other parents crazy when they're stuck eating shiatty concession stand burgers or slimy nachos and we're eating thin sliced smoked pork loin wrapped around smoked lentils.
 
2014-07-08 12:49:32 PM  

vudukungfu: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Jesus is gluten-free

what do they make those farking wafers out of?


Same stuff they use to make ice cream cones--not the waffle cones, the plain ones. It's a basic unleavened bread--salt, flour, water. Maybe not even the salt.

Communion wafers are made in a factory in Montreal. I saw a filler item on TV when I was young.

The waste bread between the wafers is toasted and sold as a snack food. They call it Hostie toastie, which is also a mild blasphemy. Tastes exactly like the ice cream cones we used to eat as kids, with or without ice cream in them. It's the Holy Toast. Well, more like the grill you punch paper bingo markers out of if you buy a cheap home bingo game for a couple of bucks at the Dollar ou Deux store. Yes, it is delightfully bland and tastes just like ice cream cones.
 
2014-07-08 12:50:56 PM  
Now if we would just tell those who claim to be ADD/ADHD to go exercise.
 
2014-07-08 12:52:34 PM  

hasty ambush: Now if we would just tell those who claim to be ADD/ADHD to go exercise.


Will probably work for those claiming depression, except for women as depression and tn need for meds seems to part of their DNA
 
2014-07-08 12:53:41 PM  

weddingsinger: And for you folks who *think* you're 'gluten intolerant,' science says its probably something else: poorly absorbed, short-chain carbs.

The science:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697


Thank you so much!  I can't wait to try out my new diet low in cottage cheese, ice cream, soy, mangoes, HFCS, flour tortillas, etc.

/seriously, I may have to try some of the recommendations suggested for a low FODMAP diet.  Most of the things in the limit column seem like they're better left out of the diet anyhow.
 
2014-07-08 12:53:47 PM  

foo monkey: rikkards: lilplatinum: Vangor: Either Chopin, which is potato based and therefore naturally gluten-free, or Tito's, which due to distillation procedures is gluten-free, are both excellent options if you haven't found a good enough vodka yet. The latter is less expensive and becoming increasingly more common.

All distilled alcohols are gluten free, even if distilled from wheat.

Sigh, if you read what he was responding to, my wife isn't celiac, she is allergic to wheat so we had to find a vodka that was not grain based. I had found a decent Polish one that works. Also there is a company called spud that makes a sweet potato base vodka we want to try.

Dude, some of the best ones are wheat-free.
http://titosvodka.com/faq/   Tito's is awesome.
http://www.ciroc.com/


Welcome to Canada. Sucks to be me.
 
2014-07-08 12:54:38 PM  

varnigus: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

Have you ever had someone with dietary restrictions over for dinner? It very quickly becomes my problem. Pain in the ass trying to cook for them when you have exactly zero experience doing accommodating such restrictions, and my food doesn't come out quite as delicious as as it would otherwise.

When other people's silly diets affect my life in any way, I get annoyed.


That's why I tell people well in advance what I can and can't eat, and if they mention something on the menu I can't have from the get-go I just eat before I come over.  People should get that they are in the minority and that they should bend over backwards for the rest of the party's comfort.  Not the other way around.  Ironically, this attitude makes people more willing to bend over backwards for you.

I actually refused to tell my fiance's family what I could have before going to thanksgiving for the first time. I brought leftovers from my parent's house.  I wasn't going to be the guy that ruined the stuffing.
 
2014-07-08 12:56:30 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's no big deal for us since the relatively minor diet restrictions mean we have to eat better tasting food.  It drives the other parents crazy when they're stuck eating shiatty concession stand burgers or slimy nachos and we're eating thin sliced smoked pork loin wrapped around smoked lentils.


The only tough part for us is generally the birthday parties.  Our son would really like to have some of that cake that they cut for everyone else, but he is generally OK, with the cupcake we bring. It helps some that the cupcakes are really good, but that does not totally negate his wish to have what the other kids are having.
 
2014-07-08 12:58:32 PM  

wingedkat: jehovahs witness protection: 90% of the "gluten free" crowd actually have no idea what gluten really is.
Just ask them.

What exactly do you expect as an answer, anyway?

I'm going to guess that most dieters can't explain the biochemical differences between carbs, fats and proteins to begin with. What more do most people need to know beyond "something in wheat"?


People these days are very ignorant about food but at the same time they are eating more and more specifically. That's a bad combination. We should all (myself included!) know more about what we are eating.

IANAE but gluten adds both flavor and a distinctive texture. Basically, it is the stuff that makes many foods delicious. It is also, somewhat paradoxically, a protein. People who eat gluten-free are often trying to eat low carb but gluten itself is a protein.

Disclaimer: as I said IANAE.
 
2014-07-08 12:58:48 PM  
just for the record, I suggest that the obesity problem in america is caused by people consuming more calories each day then they burn.

// do i get a trophy now?
 
2014-07-08 01:00:40 PM  
oh boy! I love these diet bashing threads, where everybody on Fark has a double PhD in Nutrition and Biology
 
2014-07-08 01:01:08 PM  

hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.


heh.


welcome to FARK!
 
2014-07-08 01:01:35 PM  

brantgoose: a factory in Montreal.


yeah, I've been to bakeries up there.
they have some nice factories.
I used to love it when the ladies from Montreal would stop in my bakery in Vermont and lose their minds.

I finally got my local grocery store to stock coffee crisps.
 
2014-07-08 01:03:44 PM  

TyrantII: Czechzican: Yea, my friend is healthy. She is just overweight. She posts other crap too, like things from some juicing website. Just about everything is "This superfood does this! You'll have great results if you stop eating everything and only eat this superfood for a week!" That sort of bollocks.

Moreso, she's in the lower end of middle class, and half the foods she is trying on her family are made with ingredients that cost an arm and a leg. One of her cupcake recipes alone would have cost almost $60 to make. She fusses about money, but won't think twice about dropping $30 on a bottle of oil or $15 on a bag of almond flour, etc.

Here's an idea, if you're fat and want to lose weight DON'T FRAKING MAKE CUPCAKES

Here's what 200 calories looks like:


Now you can starve yourself (and advertise that you're a moron that believes in checkout print rubbish), or you can make lots of interesting dishes that you can actually eat quite a lot of and feel full, all the while losing weight.

If you're starving, you're doing it terribly wrong.

Start off by making a egg white wrap for breakfast.

These things are 200+/- calories (with low fat cheese) and will keep you full for a good 4 hours.  I like mine with peppers, onions, feta and hot sauce; but you can easily add whatever veggies you like.  If you dice and freeze your prep stuff on the weekend, it'll only take 10-15 min to throw together and cook as well.

Or you could have a bowl of soggy, air infused candy and be hungry by the time you get to work.


Why no yolk?
 
2014-07-08 01:04:06 PM  
Gluten-free dieters are like hipsters: the only thing worse than gluten-free dieters are the insufferable twats that just HAVE to let every one around them know how annoyed and offended they are at other peoples' dietary choices.
 
2014-07-08 01:04:28 PM  

Carn: I think posting the pic is still a bannable offense?  Or at least earns you a fark holiday.


I think posting the quote got you a vacay in the early times.....

it did me, but then it might just be that the mod that day didn't like me much!  :)
 
2014-07-08 01:06:41 PM  

udhq: Gluten-free dieters are like hipsters: the only thing worse than gluten-free dieters are the insufferable twats that just HAVE to let every one around them know how annoyed and offended they are at other peoples' dietary choices.


lol.
 
2014-07-08 01:07:55 PM  
A magazine once asked 103 people, who *claimed* to be on the Atkins diet, what a carb was.

Fewer than half knew the correct answer was carbohydrates. Popular answers included 'calories', 'fat', and 'cholesterol'.

I strongly suspect this is also true for gluten.
 
2014-07-08 01:09:09 PM  

Mr.Poops: oh boy! I love these diet bashing threads, where everybody on Fark has a double PhD in Nutrition and Biology


I'll have you know that I'm studying to be a Naturopath!

/this was a real reaction to a woman who was evangelizing about gluten at a local tea shop when I walked in, where she was just explaining that it wasn't just gluten that was killing everyone, but GENETICALLY MODIFIED gluten!

I explained to her that there was no GM wheat on the market, and that was her reply to keep her little cabal riled up.
 
2014-07-08 01:10:39 PM  

Zenith: I have gluten intolerance and why any one would fad diet it is beyond me. feel free to slap them about.


It might be because those insensitive individuals have seen the science.

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/05/gluten_sensitivity_may_ no t_exist.html

Celiac disease and wheat allergies are real. Gluten intolerance, not so much.
 
2014-07-08 01:10:39 PM  

vudukungfu: HeartBurnKid: So where was the "gluten free" label?

On the deli case in front of all the meats.

If would be nice if this country had some kind of a fad where everyone decided the next best thing was to eat sensibly, live in moderation, get enough exercise, socialize with their neighbors and build stronger communities.
But no. We need to isolate ourselves in the most urban areas by staring at screens, and staying indoors. We shovel ice cream in our yaps like it's a reward for breathing, not a reward after milking a cow and picking peaches, and churning a crank for hours. We are the most pampered, and weak society in the universe.
No one cares about where their food comes from just that it is there.  And if that douche waiter doesn't get back here with my zen garden, I'm going to have him fired.


Some deli meats do have gluten, which would be important information to someone with coeliac disease.
 
2014-07-08 01:12:03 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: no GM wheat on the market,


None on this planet.
Quadrotriticale would make a killer beer, though.
/obs?
 
2014-07-08 01:12:37 PM  

Jument: wingedkat: jehovahs witness protection: 90% of the "gluten free" crowd actually have no idea what gluten really is.
Just ask them.

What exactly do you expect as an answer, anyway?

I'm going to guess that most dieters can't explain the biochemical differences between carbs, fats and proteins to begin with. What more do most people need to know beyond "something in wheat"?

People these days are very ignorant about food but at the same time they are eating more and more specifically. That's a bad combination. We should all (myself included!) know more about what we are eating.

IANAE but gluten adds both flavor and a distinctive texture. Basically, it is the stuff that makes many foods delicious. It is also, somewhat paradoxically, a protein. People who eat gluten-free are often trying to eat low carb but gluten itself is a protein.

Disclaimer: as I said IANAE.


You seem to be hitting bang on from what I know.  Gluten is a protein in wheat barley and rye.  It is found in trace amounts in corn as well, but at amounts low enough for most gluten intolerant people to not suffer from symptoms.  It works as an excellent binder making it an ideal thickener and component in dough.  Used in breads it allows yeast to rise while providing a stretchy web-like structure for the yeast to release gas into which provides the soft, spongy texture that most people enjoy in breads.  On the contrary, gluten free breads often have large air pockets from the lack of a consistent structure and become extremely crumbly almost immediately.  Think of a stale cornbread as an example of gluten free bread (since most corn bread has wheat flour, I add the "stale" prerequisite).

It is, in fact, delicious.  "Malt" flavoring originated from malted barley and a significant part of that flavor is from gluten.  Malt is a grain that has been soaked in water, allowed to briefly germinate and is then toasted.  This results in a slight smokey flavor as well as indescribable goodness.  That is why "malt", "maltodextrin" and "malt flavoring" is in everything.  Compare regular cornflakes with gluten free cornflakes.  That delicious, delicious difference is malt flavoring.  Luckily they have made significant progress in artificial malt flavorings and corn-derived malts.  The corn is so common I'll sometimes play "rectum roulette" with foods containing maltodextrin just to see if I can have them.

/BTW, Celiac's Disease for Dummies has a surprisingly complete reference on the what gluten is.
//Also a Good Eats (Food Network's Alton Brown) episode.
 
2014-07-08 01:13:20 PM  

vudukungfu: Lenny_da_Hog: no GM wheat on the market,

None on this planet.
Quadrotriticale would make a killer beer, though.
/obs?


Yeah, but you'd have to drink it from a covered stein to keep the tribbles out.
 
2014-07-08 01:14:36 PM  

mike_d85: That's why I tell people well in advance what I can and can't eat, and if they mention something on the menu I can't have from the get-go I just eat before I come over.  People should get that they are in the minority and that they should bend over backwards for the rest of the party's comfort.  Not the other way around.  Ironically, this attitude makes people more willing to bend over backwards for you.

I actually refused to tell my fiance's family what I could have before going to thanksgiving for the first time. I brought leftovers from my parent's house.  I wasn't going to be the guy that ruined the stuffing.


I like that approach. Probably since you have a real issue (and not the self-diagnosed nonsense that drew the ire of my initial post) and you demonstrate knowledge of your condition and how to combat it, people are quite willing to make sure you are comfortable. Part of it is probably how much of a mystery someone's dietary restrictions can be to people without them, so giving a list of specifics takes a lot of stress out of the ordeal.

I have only very rarely met people with real, medically diagnosed issues. For others, I've taken to placebos (I swear this pizza crust is gluten-free, and that's lactose-free cheese, too).
 
2014-07-08 01:14:57 PM  

mschwenk: vudukungfu: HeartBurnKid: So where was the "gluten free" label?

On the deli case in front of all the meats.

If would be nice if this country had some kind of a fad where everyone decided the next best thing was to eat sensibly, live in moderation, get enough exercise, socialize with their neighbors and build stronger communities.
But no. We need to isolate ourselves in the most urban areas by staring at screens, and staying indoors. We shovel ice cream in our yaps like it's a reward for breathing, not a reward after milking a cow and picking peaches, and churning a crank for hours. We are the most pampered, and weak society in the universe.
No one cares about where their food comes from just that it is there.  And if that douche waiter doesn't get back here with my zen garden, I'm going to have him fired.

Some deli meats do have gluten, which would be important information to someone with coeliac disease.


mschwenk: vudukungfu: HeartBurnKid: So where was the "gluten free" label?

On the deli case in front of all the meats.

If would be nice if this country had some kind of a fad where everyone decided the next best thing was to eat sensibly, live in moderation, get enough exercise, socialize with their neighbors and build stronger communities.
But no. We need to isolate ourselves in the most urban areas by staring at screens, and staying indoors. We shovel ice cream in our yaps like it's a reward for breathing, not a reward after milking a cow and picking peaches, and churning a crank for hours. We are the most pampered, and weak society in the universe.
No one cares about where their food comes from just that it is there.  And if that douche waiter doesn't get back here with my zen garden, I'm going to have him fired.

Some deli meats do have gluten, which would be important information to someone with coeliac disease.


But when the "WOW! GLUTEN FREE!" label is a two-color yellow-and-red star that takes up 1/3 of the front of the package, you can be pretty sure it's there for marketing. A crapload of products that never contained gluten have been getting these labels over the last year or two just to appeal to the trend.
 
2014-07-08 01:15:00 PM  

foo monkey: Dude, some of the best ones are wheat-free.
http://titosvodka.com/faq/   Tito's is awesome.
http://www.ciroc.com/


The only funnier thing than fake glutards are the people who have preferences for a neutral grain (or spud) alcohol.

/"Super Premium" vodka is one of the biggest marketing fleecings of our era
 
2014-07-08 01:15:01 PM  

mschwenk: Some deli meats do have gluten,


If you mean crap counter meats, yes,
I prefer a bit better quality I guess.
Boar's Head. brand here shows you how to do it right.

Not a plug, I just like there products.
think of it as an endorsement, rather.
 
2014-07-08 01:15:23 PM  

Typhoid: dready zim: Slives: dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...

I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...

is is me being sarcastic but it is also what she actually said...

I wonder if there was some sort of hilarious misunderstanding because you can't eat french fries (due to contamination with breaded fried things) in most restaurants. She doesn't sound the brightest to try vegan and gluten free (my celiac vegetarian friends eventually gave up the vegetarian part because they liked to be able to eat every once in a while), so I could see that happening.


Wheat is also a common additive to instant mashed potatoes, instant oatmeal, and canned soups.

I have some sort of food insensitivity and considered wheat for a while. It was amazing what they put it in when I started looking.

Don't think that's what was going on here, sounds more like this woman was sick with an eating disorder like anorexia.
 
2014-07-08 01:15:27 PM  

HeadLever: udhq: Gluten-free dieters are like hipsters: the only thing worse than gluten-free dieters are the insufferable twats that just HAVE to let every one around them know how annoyed and offended they are at other peoples' dietary choices.

lol.


Project much?

The people who biatch and moan about gluten free dieters just do it because they want attention, and they want to seem above it all.

/Not gluten free, just think the precious little "stop liking what I don't like" busybodies should mind their own damn business.
 
2014-07-08 01:21:26 PM  

Iceman_Cometh: The waitress goes on and on about an allergy, when Coeliac disease is an auto immune response, in other words an intolerance, not an allergy.


Allergies are both immune disorders and intolerances.
 
2014-07-08 01:21:46 PM  
Food Scientist and Celiac Sprue sufferer here!

This is not a joke for folks like myself.  The life of a Celiac person is hard enough without deniers or phony glutards (it is our word).  I have been through a full regiment of blood work and biopsies and can tell you gluten was in parts of my body it should not have been.  The pain of eating it now that I am clean is enough to lose sleep worrying over (see. any time I cannot vet a restaurant in advance).  I have to struggle daily to keep from getting ill on something that is more than common in the western diet and culture.

THAT SAID:

I don't wish or suggest my diet on anyone.  Eat what your body will allow you in moderation and diversity.  In fact have a beer for me, seriously.  I miss that sweet nectar of the God's more than you can imagine.  Nothing is quite as depressing as watching others eat and drink while you enjoy a water or worse, a cider.

Please don't be a denier.  It's hard enough to live as a pariah and explain your condition to strangers without having to comfort some asshat who is annoyed by the words "Gluten Free" on menus.  My own and other celiac's sufferers lives are filled with more annoyances than seeing something on occasion, I promise you.
 
2014-07-08 01:22:29 PM  

udhq: The people who biatch and moan about gluten free dieters just do it because they want attention, and they want to seem above it all.


So are you the pot or the kettle?
 
2014-07-08 01:23:16 PM  

udhq: HeadLever: udhq: Gluten-free dieters are like hipsters: the only thing worse than gluten-free dieters are the insufferable twats that just HAVE to let every one around them know how annoyed and offended they are at other peoples' dietary choices.

lol.

Project much?

The people who biatch and moan about gluten free dieters just do it because they want attention, and they want to seem above it all.

/Not gluten free, just think the precious little "stop liking what I don't like" busybodies should mind their own damn business.


It's not a matter of "stop liking what I don't like."

It's a matter of protecting the weakest in our society who are becoming victims of snake-oil marketers. Trend-diet book marketers and naturopaths should be cast out of society and people who follow them should be ridiculed.
 
2014-07-08 01:24:06 PM  

Carn: Technoir: hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.

Uh, I don't see any posts (maybe i missed one or two) that are vilifying legitimate sufferers of Celiac Disease or gluten sensitivity/intolerance.  In fact, there's a lot of sympathy for them.

The thread seems aimed at the asshats and douchetards who've jumped on the gluten-free bandwagon, and take every opportunity to let those around them know they are eating gluten-free. 

As someone who has apparently lost a loved one to Celiac Disease, doesn't it bother you that the medically-confirmed illness that killed your family member is being co-opted by a bunch of attention-whoring fad-tards who just want to seem cool while inconveniencing everybody around them?

I'm pretty sure he was joking, since he brought up the old fark joke about Quinn.  I think posting the pic is still a bannable offense?  Or at least earns you a fark holiday.


Woops! I have no idea about the Quinn joke. Did i just commit some sort of "fark pas"?
 
2014-07-08 01:24:18 PM  
Celeriac pizza, anyone?

lh5.ggpht.com
 
2014-07-08 01:25:06 PM  
I have to deal with fussy eaters in my own family. Some of the likes and dislikes they have make absolutely no sense.

They hate things they have never even tried, and then they lhae to whine like a goddamn fire siren about it, which makes it incredibly patience-trying.
 
2014-07-08 01:27:45 PM  

dready zim: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

This is very true. It is exactly this that makes it so annoying when people without celiac have to tell everyone they know everything they have been eating.

My friend brought his GF round. Either she will die soon or is hypochondriac. She is vegetarian and gluten free and a complete pain in the ass.

Never happy, always complaining. They tried for a baby but unfortunately the first one miscarried because she was not eating properly.

Luckily she is dating my friend who takes no shiat in many areas (god knows what he is doing with her) and he made her eat real food before they tried again (now they have a lovely little girl)

Anyway, when he brought her round it was like a game of guess and tell with a depressed mute. You would ask her what she *could* eat and she would just say what she could *not* eat (not helpful, thanks) then if you suggested foods she would eliminate all of them based on various dietary restrictions.

Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.

There was literally nothing she would accept to eat. So we took her and him to a restaurant and told her to order what she liked (just to see) she ordered fish with a herb butter and potatoes...

As I say, complete pain in the ass.

To me she typifies the food obsessed whiny farkers who found out as a child that complaining got them better food and they took it to a mental level as an adult.

I don`t care what you eat. Spend loads on foods that don`t really give you any benefit or offset any deficit. I don`t care.

Just shut up about it. I don`t want to know unless I am cooking you food in which case list what you CAN eat and still shut up about what you can`t...


I have one food allergy, so it's easier for me to say what I can't have because it's super simple: I can't eat anything with mushrooms. I'm happy to eat whatever you stick in front of me if I'm your guest, I only ask that you warn me if a certain thing has mushrooms in it so I can avoid it and the tingling that says my throat is swelling. I can't stand people like your friend's gf because they make everyone roll their eyes at those of us with legit allergies.
 
2014-07-08 01:28:00 PM  

HeadLever: So are you the pot or the kettle?


I'm the guy who thinks everyone should just live their lives how they see fit, and stop getting bent out of shape at other people doing the same.
 
2014-07-08 01:28:24 PM  

hej: meat0918: No more good pizza.  No more good beer.  And if he accidentally had some gluten, it was hospital time for him, and he had no insurance at the time.

Which makes his contempt for other people ordering gluten free food rather odd, since common sense suggests it would lower the odds of cross contamination with his food.


It's the boy who cried wolf problem. There are so many fakers that restaurants stop taking your protestations seriously, and you end up with a full gluten meal.
 
2014-07-08 01:29:08 PM  

Technoir: Carn: Technoir: hardinparamedic: There are few times when Farkers embarrass me. This is one of them.

God forbid any of you ever have to live through something of this nature. I hope you never have to answer the phone and hear your inconsolably weeping wife on the other end of the line as she mutters the only words she is able to muster "they cant find a heartbeat".

Anyone who does the "welcome to fark" meme can DIAF.

Quinn's ashes set on our piano as a reminder of how deadly of a disease this is. And shame on you for not being more concerned with that.

Uh, I don't see any posts (maybe i missed one or two) that are vilifying legitimate sufferers of Celiac Disease or gluten sensitivity/intolerance.  In fact, there's a lot of sympathy for them.

The thread seems aimed at the asshats and douchetards who've jumped on the gluten-free bandwagon, and take every opportunity to let those around them know they are eating gluten-free. 

As someone who has apparently lost a loved one to Celiac Disease, doesn't it bother you that the medically-confirmed illness that killed your family member is being co-opted by a bunch of attention-whoring fad-tards who just want to seem cool while inconveniencing everybody around them?

I'm pretty sure he was joking, since he brought up the old fark joke about Quinn.  I think posting the pic is still a bannable offense?  Or at least earns you a fark holiday.

Woops! I have no idea about the Quinn joke. Did i just commit some sort of "fark pas"?


I think you're off the hook since people get in trouble for the best part of it so it's not referenced that often.  No foul for not knowing an inside joke :)
 
2014-07-08 01:30:48 PM  
I have diagnosed IBS and I have to say I do feel for people who truly have digestive issues.  It is horrible and embarrassing.  A long long time ago in a galaxy far away, I went on a date with this nice guy.  It was our third date I think.  We had stuffed crust pizza which was a new thing at the time.  (I had an onion on my belt.)    After we got to his apartment, I was horrified to realize:  1.   my GI tract did not like fact I had just ingested so much cheese,  2.   his bathroom had no windows or air freshener, and  3.   the walls were very very thin.  It was absolutely mortifying. I mean honestly I think  the fart concert  rendered him speechless for like five minutes while all I could is apologize profusely and feel bad because he was going to have to repaint his bathroom.  (God, undigested cheese stinks to holy hell.)     Honestly, I can't believe he later married me.
 
2014-07-08 01:32:07 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Have you seen all the biatching about high fructose corn syrup as a sweetner? Not from the people that say it doesn't taste as good as sugar.... but from the people who say it's killing us?


I've only heard it from people saying it doesn't taste as good as sugar and people who have legitimate complaints about the monoculture of corn. The corn industry isn't helping with that commercial they have where they say that cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup are exactly the same thing. Different molecules.
 
2014-07-08 01:33:28 PM  

varnigus: I like that approach. Probably since you have a real issue (and not the self-diagnosed nonsense that drew the ire of my initial post) and you demonstrate knowledge of your condition and how to combat it, people are quite willing to make sure you are comfortable. Part of it is probably how much of a mystery someone's dietary restrictions can be to people without them, so giving a list of specifics takes a lot of stress out of the ordeal.

I have only very rarely met people with real, medically diagnosed issues. For others, I've taken to placebos (I swear this pizza crust is gluten-free, and that's lactose-free cheese, too).


Never mind having an actual medical issue, it's not being a dick.  Vegitarians, vegans, dieters, etc. can all adhere to a diet quietly.

Careful with the placebo test.  I can and will make a house smell funny for extended periods of time.  Best case scenario is me doubled over for an hour or so in pain.
 
2014-07-08 01:34:38 PM  

kicksmile: Please don't be a denier. It's hard enough to live as a pariah and explain your condition to strangers without having to comfort some asshat who is annoyed by the words "Gluten Free" on menus. My own and other celiac's sufferers lives are filled with more annoyances than seeing something on occasion, I promise you.


I will definitely have a beer for you, my friend.  I once asked my brother in law about how hard it was
having to deal with his daughter's Celiac, and he basically said that he fervently wished that she could
live a completely normal life, but that he wanted to do his damnedest to make sure that she got as close
to living a normal life as possible, and he's done a heroic job of it as far as I can see.

But, take heart:  there is are beers you can enjoy without burning out your villi.
 
2014-07-08 01:35:17 PM  

mike_d85: Vegitarians, vegans, dieters, etc. can all adhere to a diet quietly.


citation needed.
 
2014-07-08 01:35:36 PM  

tartcake: I can't believe he later married me.


I think he pretty much had  to after that.
you don't get too many chances to pick your "so...how did you and tartcake hook up?" stories.
 
2014-07-08 01:35:46 PM  
Hey gluten free dieters:
rlv.zcache.com
 
2014-07-08 01:36:38 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: It's a matter of protecting the weakest in our society who are becoming victims of snake-oil marketers. Trend-diet book marketers and naturopaths should be cast out of society and people who follow them should be ridiculed.


The same could be said for literally millions of other life choices.  If someone wants to be gluten free, or kosher or vegetarian, or eat nothing but panda-farted grass clippings, what business is it of anyone elses'?

Yes, when I hear the word "inflamation", my brain assumes what follows is bullshiat, and shuts down, just like when it hears "toxins".  But people believe a lot of stupid shiat, and they're free to do so.  They have the same access to information as anybody else, and they've made their choices.  Getting offended at gluten-free dieters just seems like such an arbitrary place to draw the line between acceptable wrong beliefs and unacceptable wrong beliefs.  Why not throw fits about kosher diets, or astrology, or multivitamins, or Jesus, for that matter?
 
2014-07-08 01:38:53 PM  
i normally ask for extra msg and a side of gluten.

fark kale.
 
2014-07-08 01:39:54 PM  

tartcake: I have diagnosed IBS and I have to say I do feel for people who truly have digestive issues.  It is horrible and embarrassing.  A long long time ago in a galaxy far away, I went on a date with this nice guy.  It was our third date I think.  We had stuffed crust pizza which was a new thing at the time.  (I had an onion on my belt.)    After we got to his apartment, I was horrified to realize:  1.   my GI tract did not like fact I had just ingested so much cheese,  2.   his bathroom had no windows or air freshener, and  3.   the walls were very very thin.  It was absolutely mortifying. I mean honestly I think  the fart concert  rendered him speechless for like five minutes while all I could is apologize profusely and feel bad because he was going to have to repaint his bathroom.  (God, undigested cheese stinks to holy hell.)     Honestly, I can't believe he later married me.


Maybe he's into that sort of thing.
 
2014-07-08 01:40:14 PM  

udhq: Yes, when I hear the word "inflamation", my brain assumes what follows is bullshiat, and shuts down, just like when it hears "toxins".  But people believe a lot of stupid shiat, and they're free to do so.


It's not the people who believe the stupid shiat that gets on my nerves. They're victims of scammers.

It's people who make money by convincing people of stupid shiat.

Grifters should not be rewarded.
 
2014-07-08 01:40:26 PM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


They make it the business of the general public when they spout off about it.  If you have a gluten allergy, the only people that need to know are you, your doctor and anyone who might be serving you food. To declare it at every opportunity is to invite backlash.
 
2014-07-08 01:41:35 PM  

Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.


I'm a chef, it's exactly my business what goes into someone else's mouth.
 
hej
2014-07-08 01:42:14 PM  

This text is now purple: hej: meat0918: No more good pizza.  No more good beer.  And if he accidentally had some gluten, it was hospital time for him, and he had no insurance at the time.

Which makes his contempt for other people ordering gluten free food rather odd, since common sense suggests it would lower the odds of cross contamination with his food.

It's the boy who cried wolf problem. There are so many fakers that restaurants stop taking your protestations seriously, and you end up with a full gluten meal.


Ordering gluten free food and claiming to have a gluten allergy is not the same thing.
 
2014-07-08 01:43:01 PM  
odd, I work in the bakery at a large chain grocery store, and we have a well-stocked section of gluten-free products which tend to fly off the shelf on a regular basis.  I'd guess that 99% of the people who go gluten-free are doing it because they are jumping on the bandwagon.  The 1% that actually are Celiac can be picked out: they conform to a certain criteria.  They are, as a whole, not fat slobbering fools who think cutting out 2 proteins will help them lose weight.

So, the number of americans with Celiac disease is about 2 million, out of about 350 million, so that's less than 1%. so of the 600k people in Denver, 6000 have celiac disease, and according to my own research, there's probably about 5000-6000 more who are gluten intolerant.  So, at best, 12000 people actually have reactions to the protein complex.  Why are so many people restricting their diets to such a degree?

I have two idiots in the family who are on the Paleo diet, one of which is in the healthcare field, and who's wife is a nurse.  She thinks he's being stupid, but the weight loss speaks for itself.  I have the sneaking suspicion she sneaks real food into his diet when he's not paying attention.

I am on the see-food diet.  I see food, I eat it.  I am still 20-25 pounds underweight(depending on the day).

/the chubby girls at work hate me
//there are a lot of chubby girls at work
 
2014-07-08 01:43:13 PM  

This text is now purple: mike_d85: Vegitarians, vegans, dieters, etc. can all adhere to a diet quietly.

citation needed.


"can" and "do" are 2 very different things.  Vegans turn grey though, so you'll always be able to spot them.
 
2014-07-08 01:43:21 PM  
dojomouse.com
 
2014-07-08 01:46:45 PM  

Cold_Sassy: The problem is that you never hear from the people who actually have Celiac Disease, it's just the stupid attention-whore glommers on this fad is what diminishes the impact of this disease.  When I was a kid I had a friend who had this and neither she nor her parents ever demanded special attention for her, they just got food she could eat.  Problem solved.


did you tell your friend that she was lucky that was all that was wrong with her?
 
2014-07-08 01:51:43 PM  
I actually started buying some gluten free products because I actually like them better. For example there is a brand of gluten free panko that comes out much better when baking breaded things. I also like some of the pastas on occasion.
 
2014-07-08 01:53:29 PM  

dustygrimp: Egoy3k: Why is everybody so invested in what other people eat.  If they have highly restricted diets then they need to understand that accommodating them will be difficult for others and have some patience with them. Likewise everybody else needs to relax about what other people are eating because it's none of our business what goes into someone else's mouth.

They make it the business of the general public when they spout off about it.  If you have a gluten allergy, the only people that need to know are you, your doctor and anyone who might be serving you food. To declare it at every opportunity is to invite backlash.


You'd be amazed how much grey area is in there.  People share food, it's a socially healthy group building activity.  People bring a box of donuts and offer it to you.  If you say no without a reason, you're a dick.  Some people assume a diet and say "will one KILL you?" and you have to tell them it would send you home for the rest of the day.  Actually, I was once stuck at work because I couldn't not poop long enough to commute home.

Same for the office cake for a birthday, except with 30 people in the room.  People immediately follow with a question and you have to answer.  Questions like "what happens if you eat it" are touchy because most people don't want to hear about shiating undigested food right before eating.  I try to dodge with things like "I'll tell you after you eat" but some people just have to hear a justifiable reason.  I don't give a fark, I'll ruin everyone's lunch by grossing you out if you push me.  My aunt will preach for 30 minutes about gluten because she genuinely enjoys doing it and she thinks that's somehow better.
 
2014-07-08 01:53:46 PM  

Robo Beat: Maybe he's into that sort of thing.



Robo Beat: tartcake:    Honestly, I can't believe he later married me.



his own fart concerts amuse him very much.    mine, not so much.
 
2014-07-08 01:53:58 PM  

tartcake: I have diagnosed IBS and I have to say I do feel for people who truly have digestive issues.  It is horrible and embarrassing.  A long long time ago in a galaxy far away, I went on a date with this nice guy.  It was our third date I think.  We had stuffed crust pizza which was a new thing at the time.  (I had an onion on my belt.)    After we got to his apartment, I was horrified to realize:  1.   my GI tract did not like fact I had just ingested so much cheese,  2.   his bathroom had no windows or air freshener, and  3.   the walls were very very thin.  It was absolutely mortifying. I mean honestly I think  the fart concert  rendered him speechless for like five minutes while all I could is apologize profusely and feel bad because he was going to have to repaint his bathroom.  (God, undigested cheese stinks to holy hell.)     Honestly, I can't believe he later married me.


Look, it was a third date.  He would have put up with a lot worse if it was otherwise going to go the way that most good third dates go.  I mean, he's a guy and all.
 
2014-07-08 01:56:22 PM  

lake_huron: tartcake: I have diagnosed IBS and I have to say I do feel for people who truly have digestive issues.  It is horrible and embarrassing.  A long long time ago in a galaxy far away, I went on a date with this nice guy.  It was our third date I think.  We had stuffed crust pizza which was a new thing at the time.  (I had an onion on my belt.)    After we got to his apartment, I was horrified to realize:  1.   my GI tract did not like fact I had just ingested so much cheese,  2.   his bathroom had no windows or air freshener, and  3.   the walls were very very thin.  It was absolutely mortifying. I mean honestly I think  the fart concert  rendered him speechless for like five minutes while all I could is apologize profusely and feel bad because he was going to have to repaint his bathroom.  (God, undigested cheese stinks to holy hell.)     Honestly, I can't believe he later married me.

Look, it was a third date.  He would have put up with a lot worse if it was otherwise going to go the way that most good third dates go.  I mean, he's a guy and all.


Like I said upthread - maybe he's into that sort of thing.  Is he perchance German?
 
2014-07-08 01:57:15 PM  

mike_d85: varnigus: I like that approach. Probably since you have a real issue (and not the self-diagnosed nonsense that drew the ire of my initial post) and you demonstrate knowledge of your condition and how to combat it, people are quite willing to make sure you are comfortable. Part of it is probably how much of a mystery someone's dietary restrictions can be to people without them, so giving a list of specifics takes a lot of stress out of the ordeal.

I have only very rarely met people with real, medically diagnosed issues. For others, I've taken to placebos (I swear this pizza crust is gluten-free, and that's lactose-free cheese, too).

Never mind having an actual medical issue, it's not being a dick.  Vegitarians, vegans, dieters, etc. can all adhere to a diet quietly.

Careful with the placebo test.  I can and will make a house smell funny for extended periods of time.  Best case scenario is me doubled over for an hour or so in pain.


I was kidding, but now that you mention it, it would be fun to try, not to mention educational for all. I am an experimentalist, after all...
 
2014-07-08 02:00:49 PM  

kicksmile: Food Scientist and Celiac Sprue sufferer here!

This is not a joke for folks like myself.  The life of a Celiac person is hard enough without deniers or phony glutards (it is our word).  I have been through a full regiment of blood work and biopsies and can tell you gluten was in parts of my body it should not have been.  The pain of eating it now that I am clean is enough to lose sleep worrying over (see. any time I cannot vet a restaurant in advance).  I have to struggle daily to keep from getting ill on something that is more than common in the western diet and culture.

THAT SAID:

I don't wish or suggest my diet on anyone.  Eat what your body will allow you in moderation and diversity.  In fact have a beer for me, seriously.  I miss that sweet nectar of the God's more than you can imagine.  Nothing is quite as depressing as watching others eat and drink while you enjoy a water or worse, a cider.

Please don't be a denier.  It's hard enough to live as a pariah and explain your condition to strangers without having to comfort some asshat who is annoyed by the words "Gluten Free" on menus.  My own and other celiac's sufferers lives are filled with more annoyances than seeing something on occasion, I promise you.


had a college professor who had celiac disease.  I didn't know it, but the food I brought to class was torture for her.  I'm an italian cook(I'm actually Irish, but that never stopped me), and I can make some of the very best Italian dishes, and it was killing her to go to class and see what I made that day.

At the end of the semester, I broke down and asked her why she never took any of the offered food.  I learned her whole story, that day, and found out her husband had the same restrictions, which also included an issue with casein(protein found in all types of dairy).  Turns out she'd go home and tell her hubby about the dish I brought in that day, then they'd both go back to their restrictive diets.  On a whim, I prepared a dish for them, as a sort of, "Can I cook for someone with Celiac disease" thing.  I will never do that again.  The combination of the celiac disease and casein allergy created a whole new hell for a chef trying to make something for them.

/I feel for the real sufferers, but I have no pity for the pretenders
 
2014-07-08 02:05:03 PM  

lake_huron: Look, it was a third date.  He would have put up with a lot worse if it was otherwise going to go the way that most good third dates go.  I mean, he's a guy and all.


well, that to which you are referring happened on the second date, but you have a great point.


Robo Beat: Like I said upthread - maybe he's into that sort of thing.  Is he perchance German?


perhaps.  I'm not sure(;
 
2014-07-08 02:09:05 PM  

Wizzywig: BS. Statistically speaking it is unlikely that between the people in this thread that there are more than 4 people who actually have Celiac, and less than 10 people known by the entire body of this thread that have Celiac. If you think you know somebody with that--you likely don't. I want to see a farking doctor's note or stfu you WebMD self-diagnosing hypochondriac.

And yes, it IS annoying to see people talk about Celiac disease when they don't have it, and have no clue what they are talking about. It is dangerous and disrespectful to those who actuall have that disease.


That might be true in a random population sample, however a thread about gluten intolerance will show a bias toward people with celiacs disease and people who know someone with celiacs disease.
 
2014-07-08 02:13:02 PM  
I became allergic to seafood because it's healthier to be allergic to seafood, and it helps me lose weight.
 
2014-07-08 02:16:15 PM  
varnigus:
I was kidding, but now that you mention it, it would be fun to try, not to mention educational for all. I am an experimentalist, after all...

Go ahead.  I can upper deck you with a special sauce that will make you rue the day you tested me.

/Pun intended.
 
2014-07-08 02:30:01 PM  

wingedkat: Typhoid: dready zim: Slives: dready zim: ...
Did you know potatoes had gluten? I didn`t. She can`t eat those even because she said they had gluten.
...

I hope that is you being sarcastic and don't actually believe that potatoes have gluten...

is is me being sarcastic but it is also what she actually said...

I wonder if there was some sort of hilarious misunderstanding because you can't eat french fries (due to contamination with breaded fried things) in most restaurants. She doesn't sound the brightest to try vegan and gluten free (my celiac vegetarian friends eventually gave up the vegetarian part because they liked to be able to eat every once in a while), so I could see that happening.

Wheat is also a common additive to instant mashed potatoes, instant oatmeal, and canned soups.

I have some sort of food insensitivity and considered wheat for a while. It was amazing what they put it in when I started looking.

Don't think that's what was going on here, sounds more like this woman was sick with an eating disorder like anorexia.


Food "intolerance" I mean.

Still don't know what it is, the first elimination diet suggested wheat products, but noticed some gluten free foods caused the same problems.

After adding back in low processed wheat cereals, beer, and fresh breads, I'm looking at the various preservatives commonly added to commercial baked goods.
 
2014-07-08 02:30:24 PM  
I have been doing a roughly 80%-90% paleo diet for a few years and it has been the best idea I have ever had.  I lost 30 extra pounds and keep it off without really trying at all.  Luckily I am not that into desserts or pasta.  I make an exception for beer and pizza once in a while.  I allow myself to eat, and enjoy, whatever someone makes for me.

I am not allergic, I just don't like the effects grain products and sugar have on my system.

I guess some people can be dicks about it but they are just dicks and as we all know, dicks will be dicks.  And haters gonna hate.
 
2014-07-08 02:39:04 PM  

mike_d85: varnigus:
I was kidding, but now that you mention it, it would be fun to try, not to mention educational for all. I am an experimentalist, after all...

Go ahead.  I can upper deck you with a special sauce that will make you rue the day you tested me.

/Pun intended.


Cheese fondue is made with rue. :D
 
2014-07-08 02:43:30 PM  

Headso: it's  odd how many people on fark.com have never met anyone with an actual food allergy and only know people who are faking it, you guys hang out with some weird mofos


No, what's weird is how many people show up on Fark threads claiming a BMI of 35 who have just finished their 20th marathon.

Healthy people with high BMIs exist.  Celiac sensitivity exists.  But both are quite rare...except on Fark.
 
2014-07-08 02:43:31 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: I have to deal with fussy eaters in my own family. Some of the likes and dislikes they have make absolutely no sense.

They hate things they have never even tried, and then they lhae to whine like a goddamn fire siren about it, which makes it incredibly patience-trying.


Oh lord I hate picky eaters.  My sister in law is breading one in my nephew.  He'll whine about not liking what everyone is having for dinner so she'll ask if he can have a hot dog.  Sigh... fine.  Then he'll whine about the hot dog and she'll offer to peal it for him.  One time he was complaining about the Mac and Cheese.  She asked if he wanted her to fill the holes in the macaroni?  Then she sliced very long thin strips of cheese and slid it inside the macaroni like a sheath.  I asked, "why the phark are you doing that?"  "That's the way he likes his mac and cheese."  She got pissed when pointed out that he'd never know that he liked it that way if she never gave it to him that way.
 
2014-07-08 02:45:32 PM  
I am 6'4, 170 pounds. I eat anything I want in any quantity. No dieting. And no exercise other than normal living. Im 33 and very healthy.

This is how:
Ignore all diets, especially nonsensical fad diets like paleo or gluten free
Use quality ingredients when possible
cook at home as much as possible
Ignore all fat/calorie content and cook for flavor (whole cream, lots of butter, no cutting fat off meat, etc)
Dont eat 3 meals a day, skip either breakfast or lunch. You only need 3 meals if you are extremely active (construction worker, stripper, etc), not for sitting on your ass in front of a computer.

and before you say I just have a fast metabolism...I lost over 100 pounds by slightly changing my eating habits. I was a fatso and now am a sexy God...or at least not a fatso anymore.
 
2014-07-08 02:48:10 PM  
I really have no problem with someone choosing to eat poop as long as it does not infringe on my food options or hurt anyone. The GF people are in such a small minority that it really is not affecting any items that us normies eat. And, I do not see a problem with businesses offering GF options. These people do not appear to be hurting themselves or anyone else. So by all means, continue your little anti-gluten movement! This seems like one of those media-manufactured outrages.
 
2014-07-08 03:06:31 PM  

vudukungfu: verbaltoxin: We still have fat-free/low fat stuff all over the shelves

Yep, all the fat is waddling down the chips and cookies aisle.
With crotch gobblins.
]
Who is putting the wood to all these tubs of lard?
There is no self responsibility or self respect anymore.

"Imma git fat and pound out some crib puppies and eat all day" seems to the be whole of life's ambition for many young women out there.

But first, the "Go though college on someone else's dime and shove my malformed, uneducated opinions upon all those around me"

Face it. we don't just take care of the mentally ill in this country. We cater to them.


...congratulations. This is actually the dumbest, least-informed opinion I've seen on Fark yet.
 
2014-07-08 03:11:39 PM  
About the guy who had gone paleo, then finally had some gluten and noticed how bad he felt.  Duh.  This is a pretty common occurrence when you deny your body something for a long time.

Yes, gluten free food trendies annoy me.  Yeah, the ones who don't have Celiac but are following the trend.  Eat too much processed wheat flour in the form of bread or pasta and yeah, you're going to feel tired after.  Doesn't mean you have a gluten sensitivity.  Try eating LESS of it.

If you really do have celiac disease, well, that's a different story.  I feel bad for them sense they can't enjoy delicious pizzas and pastas.  I've tried GF pasta and pizza and it's just, not, good.  Gluten is what gives dough it's elasticity.
 
2014-07-08 03:12:49 PM  

Muta: dready zim: o people not on a fad diet there isn`t much difference between no gluten, paleo, atkins or any of the fad diets.

It could be argued that your health benefits are probably coming more from doing regular exercise than your diet. You could be on pretty much any healthy diet that is not extreme, do exercise and feel the best you ever have.

That was my experience anyway, the exercise made me feel good and as a result I desired different foods but the different food desires were as a result of the exercise and feeling good, not the other way around.

I read somewhere (so you know it is true) that healthy weight loss is an 80:20 diet to exercise ratio.  You can burn 500 calories during an hour long, Zone 2 workout or you can consume 500 fewer calories by enjoying the 200 calorie egg white roll-up breakfast show above instead of a 700 calorie gut buster.


this is true but you are ignoring muscle mass, it`s role in health and your ability to use up calories, and the calories used up simply by having muscle mass which can outweigh a few hundred calories a day easily.

Fibro: Okay, I can see that. I fully believe, though, that you need both exercise and a solid diet. You can have either one, but exercising without eating right will impact your performance


I completely agree, you need a fairly balanced diet to get past a certain point when getting fit. Initially though I would say to just start doing exercise and keep your old diet. I found that doing the exercise made eating too much just feel bad (which it did not when I was not exercising) So I ate less as a result of doing the exercise and at that point I noticed my body craving really healthy things like complex carbs(not sugar), vegetables, carbs, anything with high protein but not too much fat, and carbs.

I found myself eating huge bowls of rice with fish and vegetables. After a while i noticed I was eating much more than I was eating when I was `overeating` I weighed about 3st less and had a lot more strength. Parts that had hurt for years had stopped hurting and I felt younger.

All the diet changes came from my body demanding I give it THAT! NOW! and the human body wants healthy stuff on the whole, it`s your mind that wants the bad foods. Most of the time the body sort of goes `well they aren`t doing anything strenuous so I don`t really care, sure let`s eat cupcakes` but when you make it need to build muscle and cope with exercise it gets a lot louder and more demanding. It`s what some people need, their mind is very good at demanding cupcakes...
 
2014-07-08 03:14:51 PM  

buckler: vudukungfu: Lenny_da_Hog: no GM wheat on the market,

None on this planet.
Quadrotriticale would make a killer beer, though.
/obs?

Yeah, but you'd have to drink it from a covered stein to keep the tribbles out.


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This, also, no beer is ever obscure on Fark, for we leave no Stone unturned.
 
2014-07-08 03:22:47 PM  

PsiChick: vudukungfu: verbaltoxin: We still have fat-free/low fat stuff all over the shelves

Yep, all the fat is waddling down the chips and cookies aisle.
With crotch gobblins.
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Who is putting the wood to all these tubs of lard?
There is no self responsibility or self respect anymore.

"Imma git fat and pound out some crib puppies and eat all day" seems to the be whole of life's ambition for many young women out there.

But first, the "Go though college on someone else's dime and shove my malformed, uneducated opinions upon all those around me"

Face it. we don't just take care of the mentally ill in this country. We cater to them.

...congratulations. This is actually the dumbest, least-informed opinion I've seen on Fark yet.


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