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(ABC)   Navy admits they spent $36 million in the last nine years flying a plane around Cuba every day to broadcast an anti-Castro TV channel the Cubans figured out to block on its first day and whose nickname in Cuba is 'the channel that cannot be seen'   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 17
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2014-07-08 04:42:41 AM  
4 votes:
Explain to me again how you can do business with the commies in China, you can diplomat with the commies in Russia, but must forever use petty slaps againts the commies in Cuba.
2014-07-08 08:51:09 AM  
2 votes:
Best way to fark with the Castro regime: End the embargo. Normalize relations with Cuba. Trade with them. Let tourists from America go there and spend money.
2014-07-08 08:44:27 AM  
2 votes:

bubbadave1056: I would imagine that the plane did some spying in addition to broadcasting.


Almost certainly not, for a couple of reasons.

First and foremost is something called "desense".  If you have a radio receiver right next to a powerful transmitter, even if they are on different frequencies, you are going to reduce the sensitivity of the receiver.  Mostly, that's not really a problem, but signals intelligence requires very sensitive receivers in quiet conditions (quiet in a radio sense).

Second, you have a problem called "intermod".  If you have more than one transmitter operating nearby, the frequencies of the two can mix in a receiver and cause major interference on certain frequencies.  That will also fark up a SIGINT mission.

Thirdly, you can be sure that they didn't do any photographic reconnaissance, because the plane during normal operations flew over the Florida Keys.

But to go even further, this is what the aircraft looks like:

www.dtvmovements.co.uk
This is what actual US SIGINT aircraft look like:

upload.wikimedia.org

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We've got plenty of available platforms to do that particular mission, so there isn't a need to try and overcome the problems of listening to weak signals while simultaneously transmitting a powerful TV signal.
2014-07-08 07:32:11 AM  
2 votes:

Zenith: starsrift: Explain to me again how you can do business with the commies in China, you can diplomat with the commies in Russia, but must forever use petty slaps againts the commies in Cuba.

the other two have nukes and sh*t?


One has an extremely vocal voting block in Florida.  Go figure.
2014-07-08 06:51:05 AM  
2 votes:
and don't you ever imply that the defense department budget could be cut.  There is no waste there, nope, none whatsoever and any cuts would result in everyone speaking Russian and facing Mecca to pray.
2014-07-08 06:01:06 AM  
2 votes:

starsrift: Explain to me again how you can do business with the commies in China, you can diplomat with the commies in Russia, but must forever use petty slaps againts the commies in Cuba.


The commies in China are capitalists.  And they didn't nationalize a bunch of rich Americans' assets just when they were trying to turn the place into a tourist trap.

/although not sure if "say, that's a nice hotel, it's ours now" is worse than "requiring you to surrender intellectual property if you want to make things in our country"
2014-07-08 12:14:13 AM  
2 votes:
$4 million/year? 

Think of how many companies blow hundreds of thousands per minute for TV ads that reach roughly as many eyeballs as the Cuba thing.
2014-07-08 04:37:44 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: What about the shiat-sandwich that Bush was handed by Clinton? (Dot-com bubble burst, NASDAQ crash, followed by recession that started in the first two months of the Bush presidency)


Really?  One of the smallest, shortest recessions ever (that started AFTER Bush was President).  A Nasdaq crash to levels two years previous after it tripled in less than two years (duh!), Unemployment in the 4% range, a Budget SURPLUS (when have we ever seen that before or since?)... and no wars.

Are you really comparing that to the largest and longest recession since the depression that started over a year before Obama became president, 7.8% unemployment (and rising), a stock market crash (all markets, around the world) to lows it hasn't seen for 13+ years, a huge exploding budget deficit (over a Trillion) and two wars Bush couldn't finish/win in almost 7 years?

OK, be partisan if you want but jeez, you really have to be living in your own little world if you think Bush came into a shiat storm.  Or any kind of trouble comparable to Obama.
2014-07-08 10:42:53 AM  
1 votes:
Two words.

Sabado Gigante.
2014-07-08 10:20:37 AM  
1 votes:

Best Princess Celestia: What makes it a boondoggle? That fact that its not giving free money to people who aren't productive?


So, are you arguing that broadcasting propaganda to the residents of a foreign country who probably never see or hear it is better than feeding impoverished children and elderly, or are you just bitter that you're nominally an adult and have to pay taxes?
2014-07-08 09:18:38 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: give me doughnuts: Best way to fark with the Castro regime: End the embargo. Normalize relations with Cuba. Trade with them. Let tourists from America go there and spend money.

Actually, we do trade quite a bit with them. I was listening to NPR on the way into work this morning, and there are entire businesses in places like Hialeah, FL who cater to Cubans.  There is a shop there, for example, that sells nothing but parts for Soviet-era cars like the Lada, Volga, and Moskvitch.   They buy the parts from Russia, and they are purchased here and either shipped to, or carried by, Cubans for use in Cuba.

http://www.npr.org/2014/07/08/329731459/goods-sold-in-cuban-shops-of te n-come-from-florida-stores


That's hardly a normalization of trade relations. In your example, it's effectively nothing more than a trip to Jim's Used Car Parts.

Normalization of trade relations and an end to the embargo would mean the Cubans could modernize their cars, replacing the crappy Ladas, Volgas and Moskvitchs with more modern vehicles like the Pinto, the Robin, and pretty much anything by GM.

Business trips are all fine and dandy, but why can't they come here on vacation for a few days and then just go back home? Why can't we go there for a quick weekend getaway? As it stands right now, about the only people who can go back and forth are the refugees from ~55 years ago and their descendants -- and even then, it's tough for them to even try to make the trip for reasons other than family reunions. They can't go to Daytona for Spring Break and boink some random drunk college girl, nor can they go to Disney World and take a dump in the Small World river when they think no one's looking.
2014-07-08 07:58:14 AM  
1 votes:

dookdookdook: $4 million/year? 

Think of how many companies blow hundreds of thousands per minute for TV ads that reach roughly as many eyeballs as the Cuba thing.


So you don't understand the difference between blowing your own money or blowing other people's money?
2014-07-08 07:38:56 AM  
1 votes:

dookdookdook: $4 million/year? 

Think of how many companies blow hundreds of thousands per minute for TV ads that reach roughly as many eyeballs as the Cuba thing.


That's actually pretty cheap, considering.

And we don't really know how many people were watching.  A GAO report says that surveys within Cuba show fewer than 1% of those surveyed watched in any given week, but in a footnote it explains that the survey was a sample of those who had published telephone numbers in Cuba, which is just 17% of the population, and it also notes that people might not respond that they watched, even if they did, for fear of reprisals from the government.

BTW, here is a better article about the program:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grounded-tv-marti-plane-a-mon um ent-to-the-limits-of-american-austerity/2013/09/02/18cdc324-1047-11e3- 85b6-d27422650fd5_story.html

And here is the FAA information about the plane itself:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt =N 810CB

BTW, they haven't just "given up".  They broadcast through DirectTV to pirate satellite dishes in Cuba, they smuggle in DVDs, and they have a website, and the radio version, Radio Marti, apparently is somewhat popular in Cuba.
2014-07-08 06:45:09 AM  
1 votes:

phillydrifter: Rumsfeld admitted the Pentagon lost $2B USD on 9/10/2001.

/study it out


Or we could go with "you're asserting something; bring evidence to the table supporting declarations like that."
2014-07-08 05:20:57 AM  
1 votes:
That's why we need to drug-test people who apply for food stamps, it'll put an end to government waste.
2014-07-08 05:15:24 AM  
1 votes:

starsrift: Explain to me again how you can do business with the commies in China, you can diplomat with the commies in Russia, but must forever use petty slaps againts the commies in Cuba.


the other two have nukes and sh*t?
2014-07-08 12:21:06 AM  
1 votes:
You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?
 
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