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(CBS Detroit)   Dr. Jack Kevorkian's assisted suicide minibus is on layaway at a Detroit-area pawnshop, which means that it's a pretty bad time to be a hitchhiker in Detroit. Well, worse than usual, anyway   (detroit.cbslocal.com) divider line 68
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2014-07-07 07:20:22 PM  
You could throw a rock in Detroit and find a vehicle that's been used to kill more people.
 
2014-07-07 07:29:03 PM  
I saw "Detroit area pawnshop" and hoped it wasn't that douchebag. Goddamn his show is just freaking terrible. Seeing that commercial during Impractical Jokers (one of the funniest shows out there by the way) reminds me I need to fast forward.
 
2014-07-07 09:30:04 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-07 11:02:15 PM  
Les Gold

Is it just me, or is that a fitting name for a pawnshop owner?
 
2014-07-08 01:19:45 AM  
Not for me. I really know where my towel is.
 
2014-07-08 01:20:28 AM  
Huh, that is the first time I ever saw Les without the leather jacket and white V-neck sweater.
 
2014-07-08 01:23:25 AM  
Of course, its Les Gold from the T.V. show.
 
2014-07-08 01:24:55 AM  

Paris1127: Les Gold

Is it just me, or is that a fitting name for a pawnshop owner?


His name was Leslie Smythe Gloucester.  He changed it to get work in the biz.

/kinda like Saul Goodman.
 
2014-07-08 01:28:54 AM  
Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?
 
2014-07-08 01:32:42 AM  

fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?


Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.
 
2014-07-08 01:35:45 AM  
Of course a jewish guy owns a sleazy pawnshop
 
2014-07-08 01:48:07 AM  
CSB when my father was a kid and teen in Pontiac, his behind-the-backyard neighbor was young Jack Kevorkian.
 
2014-07-08 02:04:14 AM  
serious question:  (and no I didn't RFA.)   Why the hate for Kevorkian?  Not a troll.  If you want to end it, why not seek a professional.

I can't see a worse ending then trying and F'ing up and living totally messed up even more.
 
2014-07-08 02:05:32 AM  
its a bad time to be a hitchhiker in Detroit because why? In case these hikers have horribly painful diseases and want to go peacefully, they now have to suffer with the machine locked away?
 
2014-07-08 02:05:53 AM  
Also, Filter's, Nice Shot is one of my favorite songs.  R. Budd Dwyer went out in style.
 
2014-07-08 02:19:07 AM  
Clicked on the link, thinking I remembered them not buying the minibus. Guess I was wrong.

It's not a terrible show--it's good for hate-yourself-watching and mild entertainment--so I don't understand why all the hate on here.

/Ashley's a biatch
 
2014-07-08 02:21:51 AM  
Kervorkian was not a saint but he was martyred for helping those with a pain-filled life find release.
 
2014-07-08 02:28:36 AM  

charlesmartel11235: Of course a jewish guy owns a sleazy pawnshop


That's...well, okay, it is what it is.
 
2014-07-08 02:38:22 AM  

boozehat: serious question:  (and no I didn't RFA.)   Why the hate for Kevorkian?  Not a troll.  If you want to end it, why not seek a professional.

I can't see a worse ending then trying and F'ing up and living totally messed up even more.


Because Jesus.
 
2014-07-08 02:44:46 AM  

boozehat: serious question:  (and no I didn't RFA.)   Why the hate for Kevorkian?  Not a troll.  If you want to end it, why not seek a professional.

I can't see a worse ending then trying and F'ing up and living totally messed up even more.


Americans tend to have a bizarre "life at any cost! ANY COST!" attitude that absolutely abhors the entire notion that someone wouldn't want to continue living to experience the wonders of some chronic condition or another. It's the same attitude that kept the body of woman with a liquefied brain "alive" years after she had ceased to exist as a person. Anyone who tries to aid people who disagree with that hysterical attitude is demonized.
 
2014-07-08 03:07:58 AM  
Look, it's a suicide van. It's going to sit for months and take up a lot of space at my shop, and I have a business to run. Best I can do is a grand.
 
2014-07-08 03:22:06 AM  

fusillade762: boozehat: serious question:  (and no I didn't RFA.)   Why the hate for Kevorkian?  Not a troll.  If you want to end it, why not seek a professional.

I can't see a worse ending then trying and F'ing up and living totally messed up even more.

Because Jesus.


It's not that - it's because people are selfish.  You should continue suffering in life because other people would feel bad if you killed yourself.

Having a humane way to snuff it just isn't fair.  You should have to do it the hard way.  Get a gun or get on top of a large building and jump....And maybe you'll fail.  Enjoy you life after surviving a suicide attempt.
 
2014-07-08 03:23:04 AM  

CHEESE_RECEPTICAL: Look, it's a suicide van. It's going to sit for months and take up a lot of space at my shop, and I have a business to run. Best I can do is a grand.


A grand? Are you insane? Who's going to buy that, dad? The highest I can go is maybe seven fifty, and that leaves me no room for profit.
 
2014-07-08 03:23:46 AM  
I hope the new owner sells it to the Pawn Stars guys and then they let Chumlee play in it.
 
2014-07-08 03:36:04 AM  
It's a pity the actual killing rig isn't included. They could sell it to the Oklahoma DOC.

/I'm figuring that someone is gonna buy it so they can ride through mansions of glory.
//...At night, of course.
///...Unless it won't run.
 
2014-07-08 03:47:35 AM  
www.jalopyjournal.com
 
2014-07-08 03:53:41 AM  

maram500: CHEESE_RECEPTICAL: Look, it's a suicide van. It's going to sit for months and take up a lot of space at my shop, and I have a business to run. Best I can do is a grand.

A grand? Are you insane? Who's going to buy that, dad? The highest I can go is maybe seven fifty, and that leaves me no room for profit.


Wait, is this thing even functional? Am I gonna have to fix it up first? I know a guy that knows a lot about death, lemme give him a call.

Well it drives fine, Chumley's already on his way over there. That van is stocked with a sweet minibar, too!
 
2014-07-08 04:04:08 AM  

maram500: Clicked on the link, thinking I remembered them not buying the minibus. Guess I was wrong.

It's not a terrible show--it's good for hate-yourself-watching and mild entertainment--so I don't understand why all the hate on here.

/Ashley's a biatch


wife watches that show among other reality shows. Made the statement she wanted to go to Detroit to see the shop. No that's it the only reason. I was like hell we got a pawnshop right here in town and the staff is friendly and the guy's daughter at ours isn't a biatch like Ashley.

/thank god we have multiple televisions in the house so I can watch big bang reruns when she ties up one of the sets watching all of these shows.
 
2014-07-08 04:22:19 AM  
ferrellgummit.files.wordpress.com

Putting an extremely old, frail, sick dog to sleep because every day is misery: Kindness.

Letting an extremely old, frail, sick person die because they want to, because every day and night is horrifying pain and misery: ILLEGAL.  BECAUSE JESUS.
 
2014-07-08 04:22:45 AM  

jimmyjackfunk: maram500: Clicked on the link, thinking I remembered them not buying the minibus. Guess I was wrong.

It's not a terrible show--it's good for hate-yourself-watching and mild entertainment--so I don't understand why all the hate on here.

/Ashley's a biatch

wife watches that show among other reality shows. Made the statement she wanted to go to Detroit to see the shop. No that's it the only reason. I was like hell we got a pawnshop right here in town and the staff is friendly and the guy's daughter at ours isn't a biatch like Ashley.

/thank god we have multiple televisions in the house so I can watch big bang reruns when she ties up one of the sets watching all of these shows.


I like Hardcore Pawn. There are occasionally people on that show that make me piss myself laughing at the idiocy. I cannot stand watching whatever the hell the show is on the "History" Channel--I get that all these shows are fake, but that one comes off as fake and bad. However, the one they had (have?) set in Louisiana was fairly interesting for a while.

Witness99: Wait, is this thing even functional? Am I gonna have to fix it up first? I know a guy that knows a lot about death, lemme give him a call.

Well it drives fine, Chumley's already on his way over there. That van is stocked with a sweet minibar, too!


Wrong dad. If it weren't for his jawline sticking out so damned much, Seth Gold would be reasonably attractive...for someone born and raised in Detroit.
 
2014-07-08 05:20:05 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.


This.  They have the car Kennedy was shot in, even.

I will say, I understand how a story can raise the value.  However in this case, the van would be taken straight to the scrap yard if I possessed it.
 
2014-07-08 05:38:29 AM  

lack of warmth: Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.

This.  They have the car Kennedy was shot in, even.

I will say, I understand how a story can raise the value.  However in this case, the van would be taken straight to the scrap yard if I possessed it.


Afraid it's HAUNTED?!?
 
2014-07-08 05:44:02 AM  
The Henry Ford also has the iconic Wienermobile
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-08 06:20:51 AM  
gfid:
Having a humane way to snuff it just isn't fair.  You should have to do it the hard way.  Get a gun or get on top of a large building and jump....And maybe you'll fail.  Enjoy you life after surviving a suicide attempt.

My mom worked in oral surgery for a long time.  I'd hear stories about people who managed to fark up shooting themselves in the head (should be a no-brainer, right?) and now they had to figure out how to put their face/jaw/skull back together again.

/get it?  no brainer
/except when you miss somehow
 
2014-07-08 06:39:27 AM  
I would turn that thing into a hippie bus, find some bad acid and drive around to Phish shows bumming people out.

/surprised Mike from Pickers didn't snatch this up.
 
2014-07-08 07:15:24 AM  
Did he pay $300 for it?
/at least he doesn't call buddies in for advice
 
2014-07-08 07:22:26 AM  
Jack Kevorkian's "Unplugged" CD is awesome.
 
2014-07-08 07:53:57 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.


Huh. Kind of wild that an American History Museum takes its namesake from someone that was clueless about the topic.
 
2014-07-08 08:00:42 AM  

weltallica: Putting an extremely old, frail, sick dog to sleep because every day is misery: Kindness.

Letting an extremely old, frail, sick person die because they want to, because every day and night is horrifying pain and misery: ILLEGAL.  BECAUSE JESUS.


If you think that there's no legitimate reason for a society to outlaw people killing each other, not sure what the point of the discussion is.
 
2014-07-08 08:01:50 AM  

wiwille: Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.

Huh. Kind of wild that an American History Museum takes its namesake from someone that was clueless about the topic.


It was funded by the Ford family. It's focused rather heavily on technology and innovation. It's rather a cool and unique museum.
 
2014-07-08 08:05:46 AM  

fusillade762: lack of warmth: Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.

This.  They have the car Kennedy was shot in, even.

I will say, I understand how a story can raise the value.  However in this case, the van would be taken straight to the scrap yard if I possessed it.

Afraid it's HAUNTED?!?


No, I'm completely disgusted with Kevorkian and Hardcore Pawn.

Kevorkian got the the Dr. death, not because of the assisted suicides, but because of his obsession with watching people die during his early medical years. He helped with the suicides only because he needed to up his fix of death. It's sad he didn't meet the legal standard of a serial killer, because mentally, he was.
 
2014-07-08 08:07:45 AM  
Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford, but - as museum spokesperson confirmed to WWJ - they refused it because it didn't fit into their collection plan.

Try a medical history museum. There are several.
 
2014-07-08 08:10:35 AM  

meanmutton: wiwille: Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.

Huh. Kind of wild that an American History Museum takes its namesake from someone that was clueless about the topic.

It was funded by the Ford family. It's focused rather heavily on technology and innovation. It's rather a cool and unique museum.


Sounds like it's worth a visit.
 
2014-07-08 08:18:48 AM  

lack of warmth: fusillade762: lack of warmth: Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.

This.  They have the car Kennedy was shot in, even.

I will say, I understand how a story can raise the value.  However in this case, the van would be taken straight to the scrap yard if I possessed it.

Afraid it's HAUNTED?!?

No, I'm completely disgusted with Kevorkian and Hardcore Pawn.

Kevorkian got the the Dr. death, not because of the assisted suicides, but because of his obsession with watching people die during his early medical years. He helped with the suicides only because he needed to up his fix of death. It's sad he didn't meet the legal standard of a serial killer, because mentally, he was.


So are many surgeons. That doesn't make them bad doctors.
 
2014-07-08 09:06:58 AM  
Good old Hardcore Pawn: setting back race relations in this country every episode. The daughter of this guy is one horrible biatch on that show.
 
2014-07-08 09:07:27 AM  

drgloryboy: The Henry Ford also has the iconic Wienermobile
[img.fark.net image 640x427]


And a really big locomotive

www.thehenryford.org

For those that haven't been, the size and scope of the place is amazing.

There is also a house in there

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-08 09:16:11 AM  

BolloxReader: Kervorkian was not a saint but he was martyred for helping those with a pain-filled life find release.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-08 09:26:01 AM  

Mister Peejay: gfid:
Having a humane way to snuff it just isn't fair.  You should have to do it the hard way.  Get a gun or get on top of a large building and jump....And maybe you'll fail.  Enjoy you life after surviving a suicide attempt.

My mom worked in oral surgery for a long time.  I'd hear stories about people who managed to fark up shooting themselves in the head (should be a no-brainer, right?) and now they had to figure out how to put their face/jaw/skull back together again.

/get it?  no brainer
/except when you miss somehow


Failing seems to be the worst part of attempting suicide......I haven't really researched it, but is sticking a gun in your mouth more effective than a shot to the temple?

I saw a picture of some guy who had failed at suicide here on Fark a few months ago.  His face was all kinds of farked up.  It was one of those pictures that I saw on my computer screen and immediately closed the window and tried to forget it.

If i ever do it, I'm going to use 2 guns - just wonder if I can synchronize the pulling of the triggers so 2 shots go off - and I'll be sitting on the ledge of a very tall building so I fall at the same time - and I'll have just have overdosed on heroin too just to be sure.....that might actually be tough to pull off.  I'd give myself a 25% chance of passing out on the roof of a very tall building with 2 guns in my hands.
 
2014-07-08 09:34:19 AM  

gfid: If i ever do it, I'm going to use 2 guns - just wonder if I can synchronize the pulling of the triggers so 2 shots go off - and I'll be sitting on the ledge of a very tall building so I fall at the same time - and I'll have just have overdosed on heroin too just to be sure.....that might actually be tough to pull off.  I'd give myself a 25% chance of passing out on the roof of a very tall building with 2 guns in my hands.


If you're really having suicidal thoughts, please take them over to Reddit, will you? Some people...
 
2014-07-08 09:42:49 AM  

peewinkle: I would turn that thing into a hippie bus, find some bad acid and drive around to Phish shows bumming people out.

/surprised Mike from Pickers didn't snatch this up.


Ass grass or death
 
2014-07-08 09:43:07 AM  

maram500: I like Hardcore Pawn. There are occasionally people on that show that make me piss myself laughing at the idiocy. I cannot stand watching whatever the hell the show is on the "History" Channel--I get that all these shows are fake, but that one comes off as fake and bad. However, the one they had (have?) set in Louisiana was fairly interesting for a while.


Seriously? Maybe it's because I live in a low income area, but if I want to see jackasses being jackasses I can just go across the street. Not to mention the old man and his kids are just as trashy as their customers. Pawn shop runners or not, I'd never set foot in their shop.

At least they bring in interesting stuff and discuss the history of it on Pawn Stars.
 
2014-07-08 10:03:25 AM  
cdn.memegenerator.net
 
2014-07-08 10:06:13 AM  
This is good news, I'm dying to get my hands on that van.
 
2014-07-08 10:14:17 AM  
Are there panels on the inside of the van?

img.fark.net
 
2014-07-08 10:32:58 AM  

This text is now purple: lack of warmth: fusillade762: lack of warmth: Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.

This.  They have the car Kennedy was shot in, even.

I will say, I understand how a story can raise the value.  However in this case, the van would be taken straight to the scrap yard if I possessed it.

Afraid it's HAUNTED?!?

No, I'm completely disgusted with Kevorkian and Hardcore Pawn.

Kevorkian got the the Dr. death, not because of the assisted suicides, but because of his obsession with watching people die during his early medical years. He helped with the suicides only because he needed to up his fix of death. It's sad he didn't meet the legal standard of a serial killer, because mentally, he was.

So are many surgeons. That doesn't make them bad doctors.


Being obsessed with preventing death is one thing, this is not how Jack functioned.
 
2014-07-08 10:46:19 AM  

lack of warmth: This text is now purple: lack of warmth: fusillade762: lack of warmth: Dwight_Yeast: fusillade762: Gold said he tried twice to give it to The Henry Ford

Why would a Ford museum want a Volkswagen?

Greenfield Village (AKA the Henry Ford Museum) is a museum of American history, not a museum of Ford automobiles. Their auto collection covers everything.

This.  They have the car Kennedy was shot in, even.

I will say, I understand how a story can raise the value.  However in this case, the van would be taken straight to the scrap yard if I possessed it.

Afraid it's HAUNTED?!?

No, I'm completely disgusted with Kevorkian and Hardcore Pawn.

Kevorkian got the the Dr. death, not because of the assisted suicides, but because of his obsession with watching people die during his early medical years. He helped with the suicides only because he needed to up his fix of death. It's sad he didn't meet the legal standard of a serial killer, because mentally, he was.

So are many surgeons. That doesn't make them bad doctors.

Being obsessed with preventing death is one thing, this is not how Jack functioned.


Do you have a link/citation? Not being argumentative - just curious.
 
2014-07-08 10:49:22 AM  
hawt

trutv.turner.com.edgesuite.net
 
2014-07-08 11:01:29 AM  
I honestly don't understand our fears of death/trying to extend the inevitable (when you're critically ill or on your way to dying).  I can't think of anything more selfish than costing your family a small fortune to eke out another 6 months.

My personal plan is someday when i'm old and life is falling apart/I have some form of cancer or whatever end life debilitating sickness, is to just take a couple bottles worth of OTC sleep-aids.  when your body is already falling apart, i mean its not going to take a whole lot to push it over the edge.  Just go to sleep and be done with it, on your own terms.
 
2014-07-08 11:23:39 AM  
Without the Jack Kevorkian connection, the $25,000 price wouldn't be too bad if it were fully restored. It's a bit hard to tell from the pictures, but this one looks like it needs a full restoration. In the condition it looks to be in, I would be very hesitant to pay more than about 4 grand. And that's after seeing the recent rise in auction prices for the VW Transports.
 
2014-07-08 12:00:50 PM  

gfid: Mister Peejay: gfid:
Having a humane way to snuff it just isn't fair.  You should have to do it the hard way.  Get a gun or get on top of a large building and jump....And maybe you'll fail.  Enjoy you life after surviving a suicide attempt.

My mom worked in oral surgery for a long time.  I'd hear stories about people who managed to fark up shooting themselves in the head (should be a no-brainer, right?) and now they had to figure out how to put their face/jaw/skull back together again.

/get it?  no brainer
/except when you miss somehow

Failing seems to be the worst part of attempting suicide......I haven't really researched it, but is sticking a gun in your mouth more effective than a shot to the temple?

I saw a picture of some guy who had failed at suicide here on Fark a few months ago.  His face was all kinds of farked up.  It was one of those pictures that I saw on my computer screen and immediately closed the window and tried to forget it.

If i ever do it, I'm going to use 2 guns - just wonder if I can synchronize the pulling of the triggers so 2 shots go off - and I'll be sitting on the ledge of a very tall building so I fall at the same time - and I'll have just have overdosed on heroin too just to be sure.....that might actually be tough to pull off.  I'd give myself a 25% chance of passing out on the roof of a very tall building with 2 guns in my hands.


Bite the barrel if you are going to use a gun.  It puts the barrel point blank to the brain stem - pretty much foolproof.  I knew of a guy who tried to kill himself with a shotgun and only proceeded to blow his jaw off.  He was a pathetic sot - obnoxious enough to make you not pity him.  He drank himself into unconsciousness one winter evening and died of exposure.
 
2014-07-08 12:11:30 PM  
Greenfield Villiage has the BEST soft serve ice cream, hands down.

/the one by the old post office, to the right walking from the entrance
//i would go there just for the ice cream
///they also give you a LOT for the money
////i now want some
//but I live in another state now
//dammit
 
2014-07-08 12:15:25 PM  

phedex: I honestly don't understand our fears of death/trying to extend the inevitable (when you're critically ill or on your way to dying).  I can't think of anything more selfish than costing your family a small fortune to eke out another 6 months.

My personal plan is someday when i'm old and life is falling apart/I have some form of cancer or whatever end life debilitating sickness, is to just take a couple bottles worth of OTC sleep-aids.  when your body is already falling apart, i mean its not going to take a whole lot to push it over the edge.  Just go to sleep and be done with it, on your own terms.


Just a note for you; your life insurance probably won't pay out if they can prove it was suicide. Make sure your affairs are in order first, otherwise you'll still cost your family a small fortune.
 
2014-07-08 01:39:24 PM  

Sid Vicious' Corpse: gfid: Mister Peejay: gfid:
Having a humane way to snuff it just isn't fair.  You should have to do it the hard way.  Get a gun or get on top of a large building and jump....And maybe you'll fail.  Enjoy you life after surviving a suicide attempt.

My mom worked in oral surgery for a long time.  I'd hear stories about people who managed to fark up shooting themselves in the head (should be a no-brainer, right?) and now they had to figure out how to put their face/jaw/skull back together again.

/get it?  no brainer
/except when you miss somehow

Failing seems to be the worst part of attempting suicide......I haven't really researched it, but is sticking a gun in your mouth more effective than a shot to the temple?

I saw a picture of some guy who had failed at suicide here on Fark a few months ago.  His face was all kinds of farked up.  It was one of those pictures that I saw on my computer screen and immediately closed the window and tried to forget it.

If i ever do it, I'm going to use 2 guns - just wonder if I can synchronize the pulling of the triggers so 2 shots go off - and I'll be sitting on the ledge of a very tall building so I fall at the same time - and I'll have just have overdosed on heroin too just to be sure.....that might actually be tough to pull off.  I'd give myself a 25% chance of passing out on the roof of a very tall building with 2 guns in my hands.

Bite the barrel if you are going to use a gun.  It puts the barrel point blank to the brain stem - pretty much foolproof.  I knew of a guy who tried to kill himself with a shotgun and only proceeded to blow his jaw off.  He was a pathetic sot - obnoxious enough to make you not pity him.  He drank himself into unconsciousness one winter evening and died of exposure.


What a pleasant way to go. Drunk, and unable to feel your body freezing as you slip away. Thanks, I'll remember that!
 
2014-07-08 03:07:43 PM  

sandiego1989: hawt

[trutv.turner.com.edgesuite.net image 320x180]


No
 
2014-07-08 03:39:21 PM  

txchad:


He'll give me fifty dollars bucks for it?
 
2014-07-08 04:59:57 PM  

morgen_benner: phedex: I honestly don't understand our fears of death/trying to extend the inevitable (when you're critically ill or on your way to dying).  I can't think of anything more selfish than costing your family a small fortune to eke out another 6 months.

My personal plan is someday when i'm old and life is falling apart/I have some form of cancer or whatever end life debilitating sickness, is to just take a couple bottles worth of OTC sleep-aids.  when your body is already falling apart, i mean its not going to take a whole lot to push it over the edge.  Just go to sleep and be done with it, on your own terms.

Just a note for you; your life insurance probably won't pay out if they can prove it was suicide. Make sure your affairs are in order first, otherwise you'll still cost your family a small fortune.


Suicide has a two year exclusion clause. They can't exclude suicide after that point. It is mandated by regulators as it is assumed nobody would plan a suicide more than 2 years in advance. So if you wait 2 years and 1 day after buying that huge insurance policy and partying it up afterwards, the insurance company still has to pay out.

For some reason the guys who do the mortality and morbidity (the actuarialists) for insurance companies tend to do this. The numbers get in their heads, they know how long they are "supposed" to live and obsess about it. They take their money out of savings, use it to pay for an insurance policy, party it up and run a convertible under the trailer of a semi. When I was in the insurance world I heard that story all the time. My mentor knew three people who did that at the company he retired from.  Insurance money is not taxed since you already paid taxes on the money you paid into the policy and it bypasses probate.That means named beneficiaries get it all within a couple months, rather than having to pay estate taxes after a year in probate. Plus it can provide a multiple of what you put into it depending on how well one can get through underwriting. They don't issue an insurance policy if they suspect they will have to pay out, but at, say, age 60 you can still get a 10 year term life policy if you aren't overweight and can pass the physical. Life expectancy for someone who was working age in 1970 was 67.5 yrs as opposed to today when it is much longer. If you live to age 60 without becoming obese and are in good health the odds of living long beyond life expectancy skyrockets so they are willing to offer better deals on policies. Once you age into Medicare and are in good health they know you will live a nice long time because the hospitals will do everything they can to milk you for tests, etc. Chances are you will get better health care after that than before that, especially if you are on a Medicare Advantage policy rather than plain Medicare. There are all sorts of ways to game the system, thanks to that two year suicide exclusion clause.

If you decide to exit earlier than two years, then yeah it is considered fraudulent. A sane person wouldn't plan suicide out 2 years and a day in advance, and fraud only comes into play if there is verifiable intent to defraud the company. They ask if you ride motorcycles, do skydiving, cliff climbing, etc and if you say yes they will issue a policy with a clause that excludes whatever activity you have admitted to but I have never seen an application that asks if you intend to run a car under a semi. And just because you say no to an activity doesn't mean you can't do it ever because people's intentions change over time. If you have a motorcycle registered under your name at the time of application and you die in a motorcycle accident, the company would have an issue with that. You clearly had a motorcycle and fraudulently stated you didn't ride. if you decide to buy one three years later, then it shouldn't be a problem even if you die on that motorcycle. At the time of application you can be shown to be truthful. No, you didn't ride and you didn't have plans to ride. But you changed your mind, and nothing in the contract can prohibit you from that. Just like nothing in the insurance contract can state that if you commit suicide three years after buying the policy, you obtained it fraudulently. You can't legally know your intent two years and a day out.

And the fascinating thing is that this rule is there to protect insurance companies from claims by consumers, and from a race to the bottom on underwriting. It keeps the companies from competing on shortening that time period, and sets out expectations regarding suicide. You have to game the system at least for a while and the insurance companies don't have to put up with those who are about to enter hospice or a nursing home with six months to live but don't have it on record yet with the Medical Information Bureau. You have to be a cold, rational individual to plan your death out over two years in advance for the financial benefit of your family. Most people are not cold and rational like that. And the financial industry likes cold, rational people.
 
2014-07-08 08:23:45 PM  

meanmutton: weltallica: Putting an extremely old, frail, sick dog to sleep because every day is misery: Kindness.

Letting an extremely old, frail, sick person die because they want to, because every day and night is horrifying pain and misery: ILLEGAL.  BECAUSE JESUS.

If you think that there's no legitimate reason for a society to outlaw people killing each other, not sure what the point of the discussion is.


Well, see, that's just the thing.  He never, technically, killed anybody.  He would set up the device and make it so that the person he was assisting would be the one to push the button, or whatever was necessary given the person's condition.

He was used as an example of moral action in one of my high school classes.  As explained to us, he knew that what he was doing was legally wrong/ambiguous (he wasn't killing anyone, but he was facilitating someone else's suicide) but he felt that it was the proper thing to do,  so he would do it, then turn himself in to the police or at the least never deny anything that he did.   This is as opposed to someone who follows the letter of the law even if they feel it is wrong, or someone who breaks the law and then denies it.

Even if you disagree with what he was doing, you do have to give him credit for his honesty and integrity.
 
2014-07-08 08:34:22 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Without the Jack Kevorkian connection, the $25,000 price wouldn't be too bad if it were fully restored. It's a bit hard to tell from the pictures, but this one looks like it needs a full restoration. In the condition it looks to be in, I would be very hesitant to pay more than about 4 grand. And that's after seeing the recent rise in auction prices for the VW Transports.


It doesn't run, and it has MI rust.  South of $2K is more like it.
 
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