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2014-07-07 02:29:11 PM  
7 votes:

JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .


Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.
2014-07-07 02:13:07 PM  
6 votes:

ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.


I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .
2014-07-07 03:47:07 PM  
4 votes:
I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.
2014-07-07 03:44:03 PM  
4 votes:
Welp, there goes the whole "GOP Defending the Sanctity of Marriage" meme...
2014-07-07 02:06:55 PM  
4 votes:

JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.


it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.
2014-07-07 04:28:28 PM  
3 votes:

IvyLady: ginandbacon: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What I do wonder in her case is why she can't qualify for Medicaid anyway under a disability exemption

In most states, Medicaid is tied to a disability claim--or at least was until states had the expansion option. So if she hadn't filed and gone through all her appeals she wouldn't have qualified. The insurance she qualifies for is a state insurance for poor adults. It's like Medicaid lite. Better than nothing I suppose.

/Ex used to work for social services in Maryland.
//Had some REALLY depressing stories.

You mean depressing because everyone that was sitting around crappy government offices applying for Medicaid was actually really rich and just gaming the system to get insurance coverage that many doctors won't take and that nearly requires personal humiliation as a condition precedent to coverage?

Or did you mean the other kind of depressing where people are so desperate that they will suffer almost any indignity to try to preserve any sort of health care for themselves and their children and/or parents? (I think no one realizes how many people struggle with the system for elderly and disabled parents).


So true. As I mentioned in my post, my grandma had Hep C (*bad transfusion, not drug related; not that it should matter anyway...) but she had had bad swelling and water retention since the late 80s, was unable to work, and was getting progressively worse despite the medications. She didn't even start getting the medicine until we could get her covered by insurance and the welfare department fought us every single step of the way, as did the Social Security folks, who denied her twice until we were able to obtain counsel and finally get her the disability benefits. In the mean time, she just kept deteriorating because it took us about 2 years to finally get it all settled and all we could really do in the mean time was take her to the ER when things got too bad. My family has always been broke...it was such a difficult process and incredibly heartbreaking every step of the way because each and every one of us felt as though we were collectively being viewed as "not worth it" or worse yet, "unworthy" of life or care or just a basic right to life without pain.

How is it people can fight so hard for the "right to life" for a freaking zygote but those who are already living and walking on this planet aren't worth a damn thing unless they're tossing money into someone's pocket?
2014-07-07 04:08:18 PM  
3 votes:
Marriages destroyed by GOP's opposition to Obamacare: 1
Marriages destroyed by Legalizing Gay Marriage: 0
2014-07-07 04:05:00 PM  
3 votes:

Heliovdrake: They were poors, they had it coming.


Yep, she violated the first rule of the GoP healthcare plan, "Don't get sick."
2014-07-07 03:47:41 PM  
3 votes:
I know the liberal media conspiracy was very quick to repeat press releases from conservative "think" tanks regarding all those random liars who claimed they lost their insurance, curious how fast this story will be picked up by multiple news outlets.
2014-07-07 01:05:34 PM  
3 votes:
Subby, you're a farking idiot.
2014-07-07 08:15:23 PM  
2 votes:
Sad story and all.

Also, I can't understand where it's possibly necessary to go in for divorce.

You get 100% subsidized Obamacare if your income is 100%-133% of the Poverty Level ($15730 for a couple).

They made less than $15,730.

So?

Lie.

Through your teeth.

Invent some income.  "I mowed some lawns" or "a buddy gave me interest on a personal loan".  Report $15,731 on your 1040EZ, collect Obamacare.

The IRS is only barely able to catch under-reporting.  Over-reporting... find me one prosecution in history.

Ethical?  If that's unethical, fark ethics in its ear.

The only downside is you give the TN farksticks a double-win.  They don't have to expand Medicaid, and their poverty numbers artificially go down.
2014-07-07 04:09:46 PM  
2 votes:
My grandparents had to do this as welk a few years ago for my grandmother to gain her Medicaid from the welfare department. At the time, my grandfather was still working and making $15 an hour doing FRP repairs on boats at a local (well-known) yacht club. Because he was anywhere between 30-40 hours a week, and their income was combined (despite the fact that she had been unable to work for at least 15 years due to lymphedema and raised ammonia levels in her bloos from Hep C) they were considered to be making too much money and there was absolutely no way my papa's income alone would have been able to cover her prescriptions, doctor visits, rent, bills, etc.

After 40+ years of marriage, they decided to split so that she could apply as a single person. They also claimed they were living apart using a separate address thanks to a friend who provided a cover address, but (thankfully) they were able to remain living together...in secret, of course.

That hurt my grandparents so badly to dissolve their marriage and the fact that they were unmarried when my grandma died still haunts my grandfather. I feel so sad and sorry for these folks and I hope very much that this exposure may bring some attention to this growing problem and perhaps lead to a happy resolution for them. Personally, I'm hoping that we'll have universal healthcare in my lifetime but given the current state of politics and shiat-flinging in this country, I'm not holding my breath. As someone who is 9 weeks away from delivering my first baby, I can only enviously read about the benefits of France's healthcare system :/
2014-07-07 04:01:29 PM  
2 votes:

clkeagle: imapirate: I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.

Who claims our system is better? In many measurable categories, we aren't even in the top 20.


People who ignore facts.
2014-07-07 04:00:51 PM  
2 votes:
Now this is really stickin it to the libs! It makes coal rollin looks small time.
2014-07-07 02:48:53 PM  
2 votes:

ginandbacon: I don't think it's funny.


Humor depends on perspective. As Mel Brooks put it, "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."
2014-07-07 02:36:55 PM  
2 votes:

ginandbacon: Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.


Well, that's an angle I hadn't considered. That's a legitimate complaint.
2014-07-07 01:40:43 PM  
2 votes:
Collateral damage. Those Brave Lawmakers in TN taking a stand against Obongo's Socialist Job-Killing Abominationtm is bound to cause some pain and sorrow for ordinary people, but it's a sacrifice the GOP is willing to make.
2014-07-08 11:12:33 AM  
1 vote:

Gaseous Anomaly: TheMysteriousStranger: Gaseous Anomaly: Soon, to crack down on this kind of Medicaid "fraud", Medicaid recipients will have to prove their divorces are legit, by banging their ex's best friend in front of a caseworker.

Read "The Divide" by Matt Taibbi.   Case workers go though prospective welfare's underwear looking for evidence that they have a boyfriend which would be "fraud."    In California they are told to go home and wait for up to a week for the inspector to show up.   If they are not home when inspector shows up they lose benefits.   One person sent her kid to school as it was a school day and school hours.  Naturally the inspector did not believe this excuse and she lost welfare because she "fraudulently" claimed to have a child.  And this is California....   Basically the courts have rules that anyone who asks the government for any kind of assistance has completely and utterly given up their 4th Amendment rights.   Oddly enough this draconian crap is not applied to those who got corporate welfare, got tax deductions, or just paid a campaign contribution to get something from the government.

Yeah, imagine if getting the mortgage interest tax deduction (a much bigger expenditure than TANF) was so invasive. The IRS just takes the bank's word for it that a house is your primary residence, and the bank just takes your word for it (AFAIK). But if the IRS required agents to watch you sleep to ensure you're only claiming the deduction on a primary residence, imagine the uproar.


I get your analogy, but you are permitted to deduct the interest on up to $1.1M of acquisition and equity debt on up to two homes, your main home and your second home. If you are deducting interest for more than two locations, or are deducting interest on more than the allowed debt, the IRS can request documentation from you to substantiate your claim that the interest is properly deducted. The IRS doesn't need to be so invasive to properly execute their duties, unlike the CA CPS.

The bank doesn't care if the home is your main, second, third, fourth, or eleventh home. They report interest to the IRS and it is up to you to determine what portion of the interest is deductible.
2014-07-08 05:38:33 AM  
1 vote:

ginandbacon: GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?


The states involved aren't worried about the money that they will get today nor is "Sticking it to Obama" the only reason for not taking it (although I'll agree that that may be a part of it), they are worried about the budget crushing costs coming after the federal subsidies end in 5 years that they will be on the hook for. States who take the subsidy will suffer after 2019 when the federal subsidy ends (TFA mentions over $9 billion just for TN alone so that's just under $2 billion a year, and medical care costs never go up right?) and that will be an unending cost that will go well over that number as it adds up over the years. By not taking the subsidy they aren't obligated to cover it once it ends. It's actually a bit of long term planning for fiscal responsibility to not take it.

It's not paying back the loan shark dollar for dollar that gets you, it's paying the vig that gets you.
2014-07-07 09:49:54 PM  
1 vote:

imapirate: Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free.


I'm probably beating a dead horse with you, but you know it isn't "free" right?
2014-07-07 08:38:33 PM  
1 vote:

cchris_39: Medicaid divorces have been around for a long time.


Indeed they have been around for decades.  Obamacare (before Roberts and the GOP statehouses got hold of it anyway) solved that problem pretty much completely.  They don't happen anymore in 26 states.
2014-07-07 04:10:30 PM  
1 vote:

ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.


Welcome to Fark.
2014-07-07 04:00:30 PM  
1 vote:

imapirate: I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.


Is Obama for it?  If so, then it's acceptable to most Republican donors and voters.  In fact, those people consider would consider it unacceptable for a politician to try to fix this problem if doing so could even possible be seen as agreeing with the black guy in the white house.
2014-07-07 03:56:28 PM  
1 vote:

JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .


ginandbacon, might I be allowed to clarify your remark?

Subby, you and JerseyTim are both farking idiots.
2014-07-07 03:55:24 PM  
1 vote:

Serious Black: I resemble that remark!


Don't cast aspersions on his asparagus.
2014-07-07 03:53:40 PM  
1 vote:
It looks like this isn't a problem Obamacare made worse: under pre-ACA status quo she wouldn't have been Medicaid-eligible either. In some States, childless adults can't get Medicaid no matter how poor they are.

Obamacare isn't *helping* her thanks to John Roberts, though.
2014-07-07 03:53:32 PM  
1 vote:

gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...


On one hand, it's amusing that her being uptight eventually got Obama elected. On the other if she was into it there'd be the leaked sex tape to end all leaked sex tapes out by now.

/Pres. McCain, Jeri Ryan sex tape, Pres. McCain, Jeri Ryan sex tape... eh fark the world, I vote sex tape!
//end theadjack
///Tennessee, screwing its citizens since 1796
2014-07-07 03:52:09 PM  
1 vote:

timujin: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

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I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much


From everything I can find, "Legal Seperation" requires you to actually be seperated. Divorce doesn't but divorce is a much more expensive to file and if you've been married for many years may have requirements about seperation as well. Sadly its not like other contracts that you can mutually agree to end as easily.
2014-07-07 03:47:20 PM  
1 vote:
Jesus, Tennessee. That's all kinds of farked up.
2014-07-07 03:37:56 PM  
1 vote:

timujin: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.

I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much


Tennessee may go after couples for "Medicaid divorce" arguing that it's fraud but I have no idea. I have friends who have stayed married to keep their spouses on their health insurance and they stayed in the same residence as roommates effectively but I don't know anyone who has had to split up in order to get insurance. One of my friends just told me his parents are going through something similar and it's been awful for them.
2014-07-07 03:15:07 PM  
1 vote:
At least he didn't force them to gay marry anyone.

...yet.
2014-07-07 03:12:00 PM  
1 vote:

ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.


I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much
 
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