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2014-07-07 01:05:34 PM  
Subby, you're a farking idiot.
 
2014-07-07 01:26:18 PM  

ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.


?
 
2014-07-07 01:40:43 PM  
Collateral damage. Those Brave Lawmakers in TN taking a stand against Obongo's Socialist Job-Killing Abominationtm is bound to cause some pain and sorrow for ordinary people, but it's a sacrifice the GOP is willing to make.
 
2014-07-07 01:57:02 PM  

JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

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Is there something about my post that needs clarification?
 
2014-07-07 02:03:00 PM  

ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

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Is there something about my post that needs clarification?


I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.
 
2014-07-07 02:06:55 PM  

JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.


it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.
 
2014-07-07 02:13:07 PM  

ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.


I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .
 
2014-07-07 02:29:11 PM  

JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

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Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .


Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.
 
2014-07-07 02:32:13 PM  
blog.witness.org
Thanks Obama.
 
2014-07-07 02:36:55 PM  

ginandbacon: Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.


Well, that's an angle I hadn't considered. That's a legitimate complaint.
 
2014-07-07 02:48:53 PM  

ginandbacon: I don't think it's funny.


Humor depends on perspective. As Mel Brooks put it, "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."
 
2014-07-07 03:12:00 PM  

ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

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Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.


I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much
 
2014-07-07 03:15:07 PM  
At least he didn't force them to gay marry anyone.

...yet.
 
2014-07-07 03:28:24 PM  
Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...
 
2014-07-07 03:37:56 PM  

timujin: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

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Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.

I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much


Tennessee may go after couples for "Medicaid divorce" arguing that it's fraud but I have no idea. I have friends who have stayed married to keep their spouses on their health insurance and they stayed in the same residence as roommates effectively but I don't know anyone who has had to split up in order to get insurance. One of my friends just told me his parents are going through something similar and it's been awful for them.
 
2014-07-07 03:44:03 PM  
Welp, there goes the whole "GOP Defending the Sanctity of Marriage" meme...
 
2014-07-07 03:47:07 PM  
I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.
 
2014-07-07 03:47:20 PM  
Jesus, Tennessee. That's all kinds of farked up.
 
2014-07-07 03:47:41 PM  
I know the liberal media conspiracy was very quick to repeat press releases from conservative "think" tanks regarding all those random liars who claimed they lost their insurance, curious how fast this story will be picked up by multiple news outlets.
 
2014-07-07 03:50:42 PM  

ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.


I resemble that remark!

/subby
 
2014-07-07 03:52:09 PM  

timujin: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

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I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much


From everything I can find, "Legal Seperation" requires you to actually be seperated. Divorce doesn't but divorce is a much more expensive to file and if you've been married for many years may have requirements about seperation as well. Sadly its not like other contracts that you can mutually agree to end as easily.
 
2014-07-07 03:52:21 PM  

gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...


Wasn't it a lack of salacious details that led to the break up of Jeri Ryan's marriage?
 
2014-07-07 03:52:44 PM  

timujin: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.

I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much


Many states Medicaid qualifications don't care if you're married or not - it's the household income that matters.  Or they may base it on personal assets, because you could always sell your car or home for additional income.   Your income and assets have to be ridiculously low in many cases to qualify.

  What I do wonder in her case is why she can't qualify for Medicaid anyway under a disability exemption because of her epilepsy, but I wouldn't be surprised if the state law screws her there too, where once she has it under control and can work again, then she no longer qualifies as disabled, or something like that.
 
2014-07-07 03:53:32 PM  

gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...


On one hand, it's amusing that her being uptight eventually got Obama elected. On the other if she was into it there'd be the leaked sex tape to end all leaked sex tapes out by now.

/Pres. McCain, Jeri Ryan sex tape, Pres. McCain, Jeri Ryan sex tape... eh fark the world, I vote sex tape!
//end theadjack
///Tennessee, screwing its citizens since 1796
 
2014-07-07 03:53:40 PM  
It looks like this isn't a problem Obamacare made worse: under pre-ACA status quo she wouldn't have been Medicaid-eligible either. In some States, childless adults can't get Medicaid no matter how poor they are.

Obamacare isn't *helping* her thanks to John Roberts, though.
 
2014-07-07 03:55:24 PM  

Serious Black: I resemble that remark!


Don't cast aspersions on his asparagus.
 
2014-07-07 03:56:10 PM  

GWSuperfan: Welp, there goes the whole "GOP Defending the Sanctity of Marriage" meme...


what?  all the adultery didn't already destroy that illusion?
 
2014-07-07 03:56:19 PM  

imapirate: I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.


Who claims our system is better? In many measurable categories, we aren't even in the top 20.
 
2014-07-07 03:56:26 PM  
They were poors, they had it coming.
 
2014-07-07 03:56:28 PM  

JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .


ginandbacon, might I be allowed to clarify your remark?

Subby, you and JerseyTim are both farking idiots.
 
2014-07-07 03:57:39 PM  
OH YEAH!? I think everyone in this thread is farking douche! SUCK IT!
 
2014-07-07 03:58:55 PM  
 
2014-07-07 03:59:30 PM  

JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

Well, that's an angle I hadn't considered. That's a legitimate complaint.


I don't think it was a troll, or even sardonic. It's a comment on right-wing spin doctoring.
 
2014-07-07 04:00:30 PM  

imapirate: I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.


Is Obama for it?  If so, then it's acceptable to most Republican donors and voters.  In fact, those people consider would consider it unacceptable for a politician to try to fix this problem if doing so could even possible be seen as agreeing with the black guy in the white house.
 
2014-07-07 04:00:51 PM  
Now this is really stickin it to the libs! It makes coal rollin looks small time.
 
2014-07-07 04:01:10 PM  
This is exactly what my insurance man told me to do too.
 I told him to go to Hades.
 
2014-07-07 04:01:21 PM  
[READS ARTICLE]

Now that is some f*cked-up, repugnant sh*t.
 
2014-07-07 04:01:29 PM  

clkeagle: imapirate: I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.

Who claims our system is better? In many measurable categories, we aren't even in the top 20.


People who ignore facts.
 
2014-07-07 04:02:07 PM  
Soon, to crack down on this kind of Medicaid "fraud", Medicaid recipients will have to prove their divorces are legit, by banging their ex's best friend in front of a caseworker.
 
2014-07-07 04:03:23 PM  

Karac: Subby, you and JerseyTim are both farking idiots.


WTF? I just wanted to clarify whether or not someone was taking the headline at face value. It's not out of the realm of possibility.
 
2014-07-07 04:04:06 PM  

Karac: Subby, you and JerseyTim are both farking idiots.


Pretty much, yeah.
 
2014-07-07 04:05:00 PM  

Heliovdrake: They were poors, they had it coming.


Yep, she violated the first rule of the GoP healthcare plan, "Don't get sick."
 
2014-07-07 04:06:08 PM  
any a you folks ever had sex with an epileptic?
 
2014-07-07 04:07:17 PM  

jst3p: Heliovdrake: They were poors, they had it coming.

Yep, she violated the first rule of the GoP healthcare plan, "Don't get sick."


If she loved Jesus more she wouldn't get sick.

Checkmate!
 
2014-07-07 04:08:18 PM  
Marriages destroyed by GOP's opposition to Obamacare: 1
Marriages destroyed by Legalizing Gay Marriage: 0
 
2014-07-07 04:08:29 PM  
"Your honor, I am prosecuting them for Medicaid fraud because I find the evidence of their legal separation to be shaky at best!"
 
2014-07-07 04:08:30 PM  

gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...


This should help to soothe the hurt:

i78.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-07 04:09:14 PM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What I do wonder in her case is why she can't qualify for Medicaid anyway under a disability exemption


In most states, Medicaid is tied to a disability claim--or at least was until states had the expansion option. So if she hadn't filed and gone through all her appeals she wouldn't have qualified. The insurance she qualifies for is a state insurance for poor adults. It's like Medicaid lite. Better than nothing I suppose.

/Ex used to work for social services in Maryland.
//Had some REALLY depressing stories.
 
2014-07-07 04:09:32 PM  

Isitoveryet: any a you folks ever had sex with an epileptic?


No, but I once knew a deaf, dumb and blind prostitute.

You gotta hand it to her...
 
2014-07-07 04:09:46 PM  
My grandparents had to do this as welk a few years ago for my grandmother to gain her Medicaid from the welfare department. At the time, my grandfather was still working and making $15 an hour doing FRP repairs on boats at a local (well-known) yacht club. Because he was anywhere between 30-40 hours a week, and their income was combined (despite the fact that she had been unable to work for at least 15 years due to lymphedema and raised ammonia levels in her bloos from Hep C) they were considered to be making too much money and there was absolutely no way my papa's income alone would have been able to cover her prescriptions, doctor visits, rent, bills, etc.

After 40+ years of marriage, they decided to split so that she could apply as a single person. They also claimed they were living apart using a separate address thanks to a friend who provided a cover address, but (thankfully) they were able to remain living together...in secret, of course.

That hurt my grandparents so badly to dissolve their marriage and the fact that they were unmarried when my grandma died still haunts my grandfather. I feel so sad and sorry for these folks and I hope very much that this exposure may bring some attention to this growing problem and perhaps lead to a happy resolution for them. Personally, I'm hoping that we'll have universal healthcare in my lifetime but given the current state of politics and shiat-flinging in this country, I'm not holding my breath. As someone who is 9 weeks away from delivering my first baby, I can only enviously read about the benefits of France's healthcare system :/
 
2014-07-07 04:10:20 PM  

kbronsito: Marriages destroyed by GOP's opposition to Obamacare: 1
Marriages destroyed by Legalizing Gay Marriage: 0


Without gay marriage, this gay divorce could not have happened!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/03/ind-judge-grant s- same-sex-divorce/12201777/

Chutes-and-ladders-mate, libtard!
 
2014-07-07 04:10:30 PM  

ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.


Welcome to Fark.
 
2014-07-07 04:10:54 PM  

jst3p: Heliovdrake: They were poors, they had it coming.

Yep, she violated the first rule of the GoP healthcare plan, "Don't get sick."


Exactly.  No more lucky ducky programs!

They need to suffer so they can learn to not be poors anymore.
 
2014-07-07 04:11:19 PM  
I feel like, if you're going to call the submitter an idiot, you should clarify that you think he's an idiot because he either genuinely believes that "President Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage" and the headline is not tongue-in-cheek OR that you accept the sarcastic nature of the headline, but you find it inappropriate to joke about. It makes a difference.
 
2014-07-07 04:13:04 PM  
Look what Obama-llama-drama-ding-dongo-farty-tax-bongo made Conservatives do again!!
 
2014-07-07 04:13:47 PM  
I doubt that Subby is an idiot just by this satirical title. Tennessee and other Southern states do just fine looking like idiots.
 
2014-07-07 04:13:57 PM  

JerseyTim: I feel like, if you're going to call the submitter an idiot, you should clarify that you think he's an idiot because he either genuinely believes that "President Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage" and the headline is not tongue-in-cheek OR that you accept the sarcastic nature of the headline, but you find it inappropriate to joke about. It makes a difference.


I would agree with you except: Every headline should get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to potentially being tongue-in-cheek because that is how greenlights happen, and everything is appropriate to joke about here.
 
2014-07-07 04:14:06 PM  

ginandbacon: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What I do wonder in her case is why she can't qualify for Medicaid anyway under a disability exemption

In most states, Medicaid is tied to a disability claim--or at least was until states had the expansion option. So if she hadn't filed and gone through all her appeals she wouldn't have qualified. The insurance she qualifies for is a state insurance for poor adults. It's like Medicaid lite. Better than nothing I suppose.

/Ex used to work for social services in Maryland.
//Had some REALLY depressing stories.


You mean depressing because everyone that was sitting around crappy government offices applying for Medicaid was actually really rich and just gaming the system to get insurance coverage that many doctors won't take and that nearly requires personal humiliation as a condition precedent to coverage?

Or did you mean the other kind of depressing where people are so desperate that they will suffer almost any indignity to try to preserve any sort of health care for themselves and their children and/or parents? (I think no one realizes how many people struggle with the system for elderly and disabled parents).
 
2014-07-07 04:15:11 PM  

Serious Black: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

I resemble that remark!

/subby


Oh you! I usually enjoy you so I'll take that back but I didn't think it was funny--it's too heartbreaking.
 
2014-07-07 04:16:42 PM  
Ugh...stupid sausage fingers. Forgive the spelling errors :(
 
2014-07-07 04:17:31 PM  

jst3p: JerseyTim: I feel like, if you're going to call the submitter an idiot, you should clarify that you think he's an idiot because he either genuinely believes that "President Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage" and the headline is not tongue-in-cheek OR that you accept the sarcastic nature of the headline, but you find it inappropriate to joke about. It makes a difference.

I would agree with you except: Every headline should get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to potentially being tongue-in-cheek because that is how greenlights happen, and everything is appropriate to joke about here.


There've been tons of Fark headlines satirizing right- and left-wing spin. Doesn't pretty much everyone recognize them straight away?
 
2014-07-07 04:18:19 PM  

IvyLady: ginandbacon: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What I do wonder in her case is why she can't qualify for Medicaid anyway under a disability exemption

In most states, Medicaid is tied to a disability claim--or at least was until states had the expansion option. So if she hadn't filed and gone through all her appeals she wouldn't have qualified. The insurance she qualifies for is a state insurance for poor adults. It's like Medicaid lite. Better than nothing I suppose.

/Ex used to work for social services in Maryland.
//Had some REALLY depressing stories.

You mean depressing because everyone that was sitting around crappy government offices applying for Medicaid was actually really rich and just gaming the system to get insurance coverage that many doctors won't take and that nearly requires personal humiliation as a condition precedent to coverage?

Or did you mean the other kind of depressing where people are so desperate that they will suffer almost any indignity to try to preserve any sort of health care for themselves and their children and/or parents? (I think no one realizes how many people struggle with the system for elderly and disabled parents).


The second. I could also tell when clients of his died waiting for benefits. He remembered all of them by name and he would come come so blue.
 
2014-07-07 04:18:48 PM  

Rann Xerox: gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...

This should help to soothe the hurt:

[i78.photobucket.com image 488x639]


excuse me.  I need to find my bunk.

No wonder Harry spent so much time in sickbay.
 
2014-07-07 04:19:11 PM  
*come home
 
2014-07-07 04:20:31 PM  

JerseyTim: I feel like, if you're going to call the submitter an idiot, you should clarify that you think he's an idiot because he either genuinely believes that "President Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage" and the headline is not tongue-in-cheek OR that you accept the sarcastic nature of the headline, but you find it inappropriate to joke about. It makes a difference.


Meh. If someone wants to think I genuinely believe my headline is the truth, I'm not going to be broken up over it. I know I support states expanding Medicaid. I know it's completely on the states now to either expand or reject the expansion. And if the latter is the case, apart from saying that this is not even close to the most inappropriate thing I've put in a greenlit headline, HeartBurnKid conveniently summed up my response already.
 
2014-07-07 04:22:50 PM  
 
2014-07-07 04:25:52 PM  

ginandbacon: Serious Black: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

I resemble that remark!

/subby

Oh you! I usually enjoy you so I'll take that back but I didn't think it was funny--it's too heartbreaking.


Yeah, it's a terrible situation. My grandma and grandpa ran into something similar when his Parkinson's got bad enough that grandma couldn't take care of him and he had to go into a VA long-term care facility. They didn't divorce, but they did tap almost all of their savings to pay for it . They went from a nest egg of well over a million dollars to their house being basically their only asset.

As for the funny thing, my uncle has long said that in matters of taste, there is no debate.
 
2014-07-07 04:27:50 PM  

Serious Black: As for the funny thing, my uncle has long said that in matters of taste, there is no debate.


So your grandpa never had a second cup of coffee at home but did at the VA?
 
2014-07-07 04:28:01 PM  

Serious Black: ginandbacon: Serious Black: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

I resemble that remark!

/subby

Oh you! I usually enjoy you so I'll take that back but I didn't think it was funny--it's too heartbreaking.

Yeah, it's a terrible situation. My grandma and grandpa ran into something similar when his Parkinson's got bad enough that grandma couldn't take care of him and he had to go into a VA long-term care facility. They didn't divorce, but they did tap almost all of their savings to pay for it . They went from a nest egg of well over a million dollars to their house being basically their only asset.

As for the funny thing, my uncle has long said that in matters of taste, there is no debate.


Oh that's so awful. And yeah.
 
2014-07-07 04:28:28 PM  

IvyLady: ginandbacon: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What I do wonder in her case is why she can't qualify for Medicaid anyway under a disability exemption

In most states, Medicaid is tied to a disability claim--or at least was until states had the expansion option. So if she hadn't filed and gone through all her appeals she wouldn't have qualified. The insurance she qualifies for is a state insurance for poor adults. It's like Medicaid lite. Better than nothing I suppose.

/Ex used to work for social services in Maryland.
//Had some REALLY depressing stories.

You mean depressing because everyone that was sitting around crappy government offices applying for Medicaid was actually really rich and just gaming the system to get insurance coverage that many doctors won't take and that nearly requires personal humiliation as a condition precedent to coverage?

Or did you mean the other kind of depressing where people are so desperate that they will suffer almost any indignity to try to preserve any sort of health care for themselves and their children and/or parents? (I think no one realizes how many people struggle with the system for elderly and disabled parents).


So true. As I mentioned in my post, my grandma had Hep C (*bad transfusion, not drug related; not that it should matter anyway...) but she had had bad swelling and water retention since the late 80s, was unable to work, and was getting progressively worse despite the medications. She didn't even start getting the medicine until we could get her covered by insurance and the welfare department fought us every single step of the way, as did the Social Security folks, who denied her twice until we were able to obtain counsel and finally get her the disability benefits. In the mean time, she just kept deteriorating because it took us about 2 years to finally get it all settled and all we could really do in the mean time was take her to the ER when things got too bad. My family has always been broke...it was such a difficult process and incredibly heartbreaking every step of the way because each and every one of us felt as though we were collectively being viewed as "not worth it" or worse yet, "unworthy" of life or care or just a basic right to life without pain.

How is it people can fight so hard for the "right to life" for a freaking zygote but those who are already living and walking on this planet aren't worth a damn thing unless they're tossing money into someone's pocket?
 
2014-07-07 04:34:13 PM  
"Literally" destroyed a marriage? Did he personally take the scissors to their marriage license then burn the remains? Did he arrive to personally litigate their divorce?

*reads article*

AH. Not actually his fault. Okay then.
 
2014-07-07 04:38:38 PM  
I can only think that every Conservative is giggling with glee whenever they read articles of this type.  Knowing that they had a hand in someone's misery must make their day.
 
2014-07-07 04:45:15 PM  
The comments FTFA are some of the most depressing I've read in years   months days.

Many of them are actually blaming the Obama administration for Tennessee's policy choices.
 
2014-07-07 04:45:34 PM  
This is obviously Obama's fault. If he was less black, the patriotic GOP wouldn't be forced to vote against Obama.
 
2014-07-07 04:45:42 PM  

imapirate: I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.


Because jeezus, crying eagles and gunz.
 
2014-07-07 04:46:54 PM  

ManateeGag: Rann Xerox: gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...

This should help to soothe the hurt:

[i78.photobucket.com image 488x639]

excuse me.  I need to find my bunk.

No wonder Harry spent so much time in sickbay.


*twitch*
 
2014-07-07 04:46:59 PM  
as long as Freedom(tm) is protected, the hell with that women's epilepsy.   damn socialsistss!!
 
2014-07-07 04:47:30 PM  
She shouldn't have chosen to be epileptic.  And she should have chosen a better husband, so he'd have been rich and could have paid for it all.

/I got mine, fark you!
 
2014-07-07 04:48:55 PM  

Heliovdrake: Look what Obama-llama-drama-ding-dongo-farty-tax-bongo made Conservatives do again!!



how much longer can our Conservative friends take this constant pounding by the African!!  it's so unfair!
 
2014-07-07 04:49:04 PM  

seapig: My grandparents had to do this as welk a few years ago for my grandmother to gain her Medicaid from the welfare department. At the time, my grandfather was still working and making $15 an hour doing FRP repairs on boats at a local (well-known) yacht club. Because he was anywhere between 30-40 hours a week, and their income was combined (despite the fact that she had been unable to work for at least 15 years due to lymphedema and raised ammonia levels in her bloos from Hep C) they were considered to be making too much money and there was absolutely no way my papa's income alone would have been able to cover her prescriptions, doctor visits, rent, bills, etc.

After 40+ years of marriage, they decided to split so that she could apply as a single person. They also claimed they were living apart using a separate address thanks to a friend who provided a cover address, but (thankfully) they were able to remain living together...in secret, of course.

That hurt my grandparents so badly to dissolve their marriage and the fact that they were unmarried when my grandma died still haunts my grandfather. I feel so sad and sorry for these folks and I hope very much that this exposure may bring some attention to this growing problem and perhaps lead to a happy resolution for them. Personally, I'm hoping that we'll have universal healthcare in my lifetime but given the current state of politics and shiat-flinging in this country, I'm not holding my breath. As someone who is 9 weeks away from delivering my first baby, I can only enviously read about the benefits of France's healthcare system :/


My former in-laws had to do this when the husband's dementia got so bad he needed 24 hr supervision. Thankfully I guess for him his mind was to far gone to understand that he was divorced, but it broke his wife's heart.
 
2014-07-07 04:51:18 PM  

Gyrfalcon: imapirate: I usually just lurk here, but I'd love for someone to justify this to me.

Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free. And once you do that, tell me why our system is better.

Because jeezus, crying eagles and gunz.


And St. Ronald de Raygun!
 
2014-07-07 04:51:41 PM  

Ringshadow: "Literally" destroyed a marriage? Did he personally take the scissors to their marriage license then burn the remains? Did he arrive to personally litigate their divorce?

*reads article*

AH. Not actually his fault. Okay then.


Of course it's his fault.

If he wasn't going around presidentin' while black and eating crackers like he owned the place, those nice, god-fearing Tennesseans wouldn't have had to turn down his lawless socialist communist money and could have expanded Medicaid coverage while keeping government out of Medicaid.
 
2014-07-07 04:51:46 PM  

eraser8: The comments FTFA are some of the most depressing I've read in years   months days.

Many of them are actually blaming the Obama administration for Tennessee's policy choices.


To be fair, if Obama hadn't gone whole-hog on signing into law a comprehensive health care bill that included Medicaid expansion, SCOTUS never would have heard NFIB v. Sebelius, they never would have ruled that states could accept or reject the expansion without risking current Medicaid funding, and Tennessee would never have to make a decision regarding the expansion.
 
2014-07-07 04:53:31 PM  

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: ManateeGag: Rann Xerox: gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...

This should help to soothe the hurt:

[i78.photobucket.com image 488x639]

excuse me.  I need to find my bunk.

No wonder Harry spent so much time in sickbay.

*twitch*


Seven and Chakotay?

Fark you, writers, it was Seven and the Doctor or nothing!
 
2014-07-07 04:53:34 PM  

Serious Black: eraser8: The comments FTFA are some of the most depressing I've read in years   months days.

Many of them are actually blaming the Obama administration for Tennessee's policy choices.

To be fair, if Obama hadn't gone whole-hog on signing into law a comprehensive health care bill that included Medicaid expansion, SCOTUS never would have heard NFIB v. Sebelius, they never would have ruled that states could accept or reject the expansion without risking current Medicaid funding, and Tennessee would never have to make a decision regarding the expansion.


So now you're saying your headline wasn't satire?

I've been duped.
 
2014-07-07 04:54:39 PM  

timujin: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.

I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much


The court would probably consider that a fraud. Form and function are important. If she's dwelling in the same house as her husband their would be serious questions as to whether the divorce was real in the eyes of the law.
 
2014-07-07 04:54:52 PM  

Serious Black: To be fair, if Obama hadn't gone whole-hog on signing into law a comprehensive health care bill that included Medicaid expansion, SCOTUS never would have heard NFIB v. Sebelius, they never would have ruled that states could accept or reject the expansion without risking current Medicaid funding, and Tennessee would never have to make a decision regarding the expansion.


Not sure if serious...
 
2014-07-07 04:56:57 PM  

ivan: Serious Black: eraser8: The comments FTFA are some of the most depressing I've read in years   months days.

Many of them are actually blaming the Obama administration for Tennessee's policy choices.

To be fair, if Obama hadn't gone whole-hog on signing into law a comprehensive health care bill that included Medicaid expansion, SCOTUS never would have heard NFIB v. Sebelius, they never would have ruled that states could accept or reject the expansion without risking current Medicaid funding, and Tennessee would never have to make a decision regarding the expansion.


So now you're saying your headline wasn't satire?

I've been duped.

If you assume President Obama had a ridiculously circuitous plan that would make the Robot Devil laugh maniacally, yes, my headline is not satire.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-07 04:57:37 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: ManateeGag: Rann Xerox: gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...

This should help to soothe the hurt:

[i78.photobucket.com image 488x639]

excuse me.  I need to find my bunk.

No wonder Harry spent so much time in sickbay.

*twitch*

Seven and Chakotay?

Fark you, writers, it was Seven and the Doctor or nothing!


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-07 04:59:18 PM  
Some states also have "common law" marriages, she might've had to move out because of that.

Depressing thread is depressing but I get where both Subby and Ginandbacon are coming from.

To lighten the mood:  when I first starting seeing ginandbacon posting I read her name as "Gina n'd bacon," translated to me as "Vagina and the bacon," thought it was some dude listing his two favorite things, rather than some girl doing the same thing.  I might've been incredibly drunk at the time but that's how it stuck in my head so I have to reread it every she posts.  I still find it funny I have to correct it in my head, every, single, time.

/no offense meant ginandbacon, agree with most of your posts
//do they still teach phonics for reading?  Because that's what's screwed me here, taking a single syllable at a time.
 
2014-07-07 04:59:37 PM  

ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.


Assuming that's "mileage" you're referring to ("vileage"?), yes, apparently very much so. Sheesh.

Fark headlines: serious business. Who knew?
 
2014-07-07 05:01:14 PM  

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: FirstNationalBastard: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: ManateeGag: Rann Xerox: gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...

This should help to soothe the hurt:

[i78.photobucket.com image 488x639]

excuse me.  I need to find my bunk.

No wonder Harry spent so much time in sickbay.

*twitch*

Seven and Chakotay?

Fark you, writers, it was Seven and the Doctor or nothing!

[media.tumblr.com image 480x264]


So, I just realized, having never seen that out of context, how terrible that could look if you didn't realize what was going on.

/who ordered the rape?
 
2014-07-07 05:01:17 PM  

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: FirstNationalBastard: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: ManateeGag: Rann Xerox: gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...

This should help to soothe the hurt:

[i78.photobucket.com image 488x639]

excuse me.  I need to find my bunk.

No wonder Harry spent so much time in sickbay.

*twitch*

Seven and Chakotay?

Fark you, writers, it was Seven and the Doctor or nothing!

[media.tumblr.com image 480x2


doctorwhowhovian.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-07 05:01:43 PM  
Absolutely disgusting. Republican state governments are willing to let millions of people go without healthcare coverage just to stick it to Obama. This is the result.

Once again I have to assume that GOP politicians and voters are incapable of feeling empathy. The only chance they will change their minds on something like this is if the worst happens to themselves or someone in their immediate family.
 
2014-07-07 05:04:50 PM  
A little over a month ago, Larry started writing a letter to Gov. Bill Haslam (R) every single day, imploring him to consider his wife's situation and agree to expand Medicaid.

"I want to sit down in a room with you. I want to be worth 15 or 20 minutes. That is it," Larry


Poor bastard doesn't realize that Greyson wasn't joking - his governor is hoping that they die quickly. That will take care of all of this.
 
2014-07-07 05:06:40 PM  

Serious Black: ivan: Serious Black: eraser8: The comments FTFA are some of the most depressing I've read in years   months days.

Many of them are actually blaming the Obama administration for Tennessee's policy choices.

To be fair, if Obama hadn't gone whole-hog on signing into law a comprehensive health care bill that included Medicaid expansion, SCOTUS never would have heard NFIB v. Sebelius, they never would have ruled that states could accept or reject the expansion without risking current Medicaid funding, and Tennessee would never have to make a decision regarding the expansion.

So now you're saying your headline wasn't satire?

I've been duped.

If you assume President Obama had a ridiculously circuitous plan that would make the Robot Devil laugh maniacally, yes, my headline is not satire.

[i.imgur.com image 320x238]


I believe you have me confused with Texas governor Rick Perry.

Must be the rugged good looks.
 
2014-07-07 05:07:24 PM  

ProdigalSigh: Some states also have "common law" marriages, she might've had to move out because of that.


That's not how common law marriage works, speaking for Colorado at least.
 
2014-07-07 05:08:21 PM  

ProdigalSigh: Some states also have "common law" marriages, she might've had to move out because of that.

Depressing thread is depressing but I get where both Subby and Ginandbacon are coming from.

To lighten the mood:  when I first starting seeing ginandbacon posting I read her name as "Gina n'd bacon," translated to me as "Vagina and the bacon," thought it was some dude listing his two favorite things, rather than some girl doing the same thing.  I might've been incredibly drunk at the time but that's how it stuck in my head so I have to reread it every she posts.  I still find it funny I have to correct it in my head, every, single, time.

/no offense meant ginandbacon, agree with most of your posts
//do they still teach phonics for reading?  Because that's what's screwed me here, taking a single syllable at a time.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's awesome.
 
2014-07-07 05:13:06 PM  
There seems to be a lot of missing information here. TFA says they are ineligible because he took Social Security at 62, but even after the fact he can reverse that and wait until she turns 65.

So, based on the information in TFA, he sent his wife to a homeless shelter to get $1000 per month in SS benefits a few years early.
 
2014-07-07 05:16:17 PM  

BMFPitt: There seems to be a lot of missing information here. TFA says they are ineligible because he took Social Security at 62, but even after the fact he can reverse that and wait until she turns 65.

So, based on the information in TFA, he sent his wife to a homeless shelter to get $1000 per month in SS benefits a few years early.


Maybe he lost his job and was too old to find another?
 
2014-07-07 05:16:24 PM  

BMFPitt: There seems to be a lot of missing information here. TFA says they are ineligible because he took Social Security at 62, but even after the fact he can reverse that and wait until she turns 65.

So, based on the information in TFA, he sent his wife to a homeless shelter to get $1000 per month in SS benefits a few years early.


As a formerly married man, that's a pretty good deal.
 
2014-07-07 05:19:08 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: ManateeGag: Rann Xerox: gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...

This should help to soothe the hurt:

[i78.photobucket.com image 488x639]

excuse me.  I need to find my bunk.

No wonder Harry spent so much time in sickbay.

*twitch*

Seven and Chakotay?

Fark you, writers, it was Seven and the Doctor or nothing!


well, maybe if Robert Beltran wasn't such a whiny, no talent hack of an actor...
 
2014-07-07 05:20:26 PM  

jst3p: That's not how common law marriage works, speaking for Colorado at least.


Yeah each state is weird about it, some don't have any law regarding it at all (like Indiana, where I live), just throwing that out there.
 
2014-07-07 05:29:19 PM  

atomic-age: Maybe he lost his job and was too old to find another?


Then why not move to another state?

Bonus: He would no longer live in Tennessee.
 
2014-07-07 05:44:10 PM  

ginandbacon: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's awesome.


Right?  Hilarious.
 
2014-07-07 05:45:12 PM  
What am I spozed to do when I think that RingTFA is really gonna make me all kinds of enraged and stabby for the rest of the day?

:(

/kitty guards seapig
 
2014-07-07 06:00:05 PM  

ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.


I thought it was pretty obvious that subby was mocking the Republicans who caused the problems for this poor couple.
 
2014-07-07 06:43:14 PM  
This is sick and preverted. I hope your rotten country falls into the sea. Elect the republicans to the senate this November and I will add that i hope the sea is full of sharks with aids.
 
2014-07-07 06:44:32 PM  

ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.


and ill add:

ITS farkING REPUBLICANS CAUSING THIS BULLshiat SUBBY.
 
2014-07-07 06:50:57 PM  

ginandbacon: timujin: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ManateeGag: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: JerseyTim: ginandbacon: Subby, you're a farking idiot.

?

Is there something about my post that needs clarification?

I can't tell why you think subby is an idiot.

it's probably a standard reaction when the words "President Obama" and "literally destroy" appear in a headline.  usually indicates subby is a moron.

I assumed the headline is sardonic and not meant to be taken on face value. So, when someone replies that the subby is a farking idiot, I'm thinking that they DO think that Obama's zealous quest for power literally destroyed a marriage .

Do you think it's funny that this poor woman had to move into a homeless shelter and that she and her husband of 33 years had to separate and that tens of thousands of people are going to suffer and die because GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

I don't think it's funny. And I don't think it's sharp or edgy or "sardonic" to troll with a headline like this.

YVMV.

I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.

/situation still sucks, I just don't see why it had to suck this much

Tennessee may go after couples for "Medicaid divorce" arguing that it's fraud but I have no idea. I have friends who have stayed married to keep their spouses on their health insurance and they stayed in the same residence as roommates effectively but I don't know anyone who has had to split up in order to get insurance. One of my friends just told me his parents are going through something similar and it's been awful for them.


Living with an ex is awful on both parties even when you do your best.

/dnrtfa
//let an ex of five years stay for a semester and a half.
/// ugh
 
2014-07-07 06:51:44 PM  

timujin: I don't see why she had to move out.  Once they were divorced, she could have continued living in the same house as a roommate.  You don't combine household income with a roommate for tax purposes.


Actually, in this case, if she has the same principal place of residence, and if he pays at least half of her bills, he would be eligible to claim her as an adult dependent for every year subsequent to their divorce, and their incomes would be combined into one household for the purpose of determining eligibility for affordability credits.
 
2014-07-07 07:17:43 PM  

mongbiohazard: I thought it was pretty obvious that subby was mocking the Republicans who caused the problems for this poor couple.


Best I can figure, some people don't do "obvious."
 
2014-07-07 07:18:06 PM  

seapig: My grandparents had to do this as welk a few years ago for my grandmother to gain her Medicaid from the welfare department. At the time, my grandfather was still working and making $15 an hour doing FRP repairs on boats at a local (well-known) yacht club. Because he was anywhere between 30-40 hours a week, and their income was combined (despite the fact that she had been unable to work for at least 15 years due to lymphedema and raised ammonia levels in her bloos from Hep C) they were considered to be making too much money and there was absolutely no way my papa's income alone would have been able to cover her prescriptions, doctor visits, rent, bills, etc.

After 40+ years of marriage, they decided to split so that she could apply as a single person. They also claimed they were living apart using a separate address thanks to a friend who provided a cover address, but (thankfully) they were able to remain living together...in secret, of course.

That hurt my grandparents so badly to dissolve their marriage and the fact that they were unmarried when my grandma died still haunts my grandfather. I feel so sad and sorry for these folks and I hope very much that this exposure may bring some attention to this growing problem and perhaps lead to a happy resolution for them. Personally, I'm hoping that we'll have universal healthcare in my lifetime but given the current state of politics and shiat-flinging in this country, I'm not holding my breath. As someone who is 9 weeks away from delivering my first baby, I can only enviously read about the benefits of France's healthcare system :/


TFA already had my emotions on the ropes, then your post comes in an sucker punches me right in the feels. I feel so bad for your granddad.

My twin brother and I haven't had insurance since we turned 22 and got kicked off our mom's. We were both set to get pretty sweet plans fromTennCare through healthcare.gov, but then TN didn't expand Medicaid and we weren't eligible anymore. We make too much to qualify for TennCare and are just over the line for subsidies for private insurance. But what the hell, we've done pretty good for the last eight years, here's hoping we're still healthy by November when I can get on my company's insurance and that he gets this new job that offers insurance in time for his 90 day probationary period to be up by then.

/farking hate Bill Haslam so farking much right now
 
2014-07-07 07:37:02 PM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: What I do wonder in her case is why she can't qualify for Medicaid anyway under a disability exemption because of her epilepsy, but I wouldn't be surprised if the state law screws her there too, where once she has it under control and can work again, then she no longer qualifies as disabled, or something like that.


Winner, winner, Chicken Dinner.

/ms flea is a ss disabilty specialist
 
2014-07-07 08:15:23 PM  
Sad story and all.

Also, I can't understand where it's possibly necessary to go in for divorce.

You get 100% subsidized Obamacare if your income is 100%-133% of the Poverty Level ($15730 for a couple).

They made less than $15,730.

So?

Lie.

Through your teeth.

Invent some income.  "I mowed some lawns" or "a buddy gave me interest on a personal loan".  Report $15,731 on your 1040EZ, collect Obamacare.

The IRS is only barely able to catch under-reporting.  Over-reporting... find me one prosecution in history.

Ethical?  If that's unethical, fark ethics in its ear.

The only downside is you give the TN farksticks a double-win.  They don't have to expand Medicaid, and their poverty numbers artificially go down.
 
2014-07-07 08:23:33 PM  
0bummer is a lib
 
2014-07-07 08:27:21 PM  
Medicaid divorces have been around for a long time.
 
2014-07-07 08:30:07 PM  
I was tired of trolly headlines before being tired of trolly headlines was a thing.

[crying_welcome_to_fark.jpeg]
 
2014-07-07 08:38:33 PM  

cchris_39: Medicaid divorces have been around for a long time.


Indeed they have been around for decades.  Obamacare (before Roberts and the GOP statehouses got hold of it anyway) solved that problem pretty much completely.  They don't happen anymore in 26 states.
 
2014-07-07 09:47:07 PM  

whither_apophis: On one hand, it's amusing that her being uptight eventually got Obama elected.


I never once believed her claims.

That's stuff that was said in a child custody hearing and entirely unverified with any actual evidence to back up that it happened.  The thing that made me the most disbelieving what that after their divorce file was unsealed she went on record with a statement saying that he'd make a fine senator and she supported his election.

People who make claims like she did, if they are grounded in fact, release statements to say "No comment" instead of recommending their ex-spouse as a US Senator.
 
2014-07-07 09:49:54 PM  

imapirate: Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free.


I'm probably beating a dead horse with you, but you know it isn't "free" right?
 
2014-07-07 10:00:47 PM  
Sad thing here (aside from the whole "living in a homeless shelter thing in order to retain access to medical care" thing) is the fact that these two represent the demographic that keeps their state red.
 
2014-07-07 10:21:14 PM  

quatchi: Sad thing here (aside from the whole "living in a homeless shelter thing in order to retain access to medical care" thing) is the fact that these two represent the demographic that keeps their state red.


But eventually, somehow, they will be rich well off not in crippling financial straits too... so they are just looking out for their future interests.  Because they are good Christians according to some leech, or they have been assured by going to a seminar that "they are on the edge of unlimited potential", or because life has been so goddamn shiatty that somehow things will get better and we will be able to afford something, anything - and a guy in a suit that costs more than the car promised that to us.

/Goddamnit so much.
//Same shiat happened to family in New York of all places a long while ago (80's) - same demographic.
///This is why we can't have nice things.
 
MFK
2014-07-07 11:00:41 PM  

mrmopar5287: imapirate: Tell me how this is an acceptable situation, knowing that all over the world in countries everywhere, healthcare is 100% free.

I'm probably beating a dead horse with you, but you know it isn't "free" right?


here's the thing I don't understand: If your boss puts you on the company plan, you will end up paying a couple hundred bucks a month for coverage usually. We don't consider this a huge expenditure because we never actually see the money. However, the mere discussion of "raising taxes" a couple hundred bucks a month to put the entire nation on a healthcare plan is all of a sudden OMGSOSHULISMZ!! when many signs indicate that if the cost is spread around everyone it would most likely be cheaper than it currently is. Of course it isn't "free". It's not "free" now. The only difference is that we'd be paying the NIH instead of middlemen who are profiting off of it.
 
2014-07-07 11:46:41 PM  
hey, now that he's not married, maybe he'll be able to get a little action.
 
2014-07-07 11:48:28 PM  
oh yes, and this...

cdn.thefiscaltimes.com
 
2014-07-08 12:40:38 AM  
All cause TN refused to expand medicaid. I'm sure as fark glad I don't farking live in that shiathole.
/Kentucky did expand medicaid and helped thousands of people.
 
2014-07-08 02:57:15 AM  
Well, that's no problem. Tennessee is right there in the middle of the Bible Belt, right? I'm sure churches will be lining up around the block to offer their financial assistance. That's the idea with the "small government" types, isn't it? Private charity takes care of it. They'll be covered before some fire-and-brimstoner can put on a sad face and tell his congregation that the gymnasium expansion and lobby Starbucks renovation will have to wait until next year.
 
2014-07-08 05:38:33 AM  

ginandbacon: GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?


The states involved aren't worried about the money that they will get today nor is "Sticking it to Obama" the only reason for not taking it (although I'll agree that that may be a part of it), they are worried about the budget crushing costs coming after the federal subsidies end in 5 years that they will be on the hook for. States who take the subsidy will suffer after 2019 when the federal subsidy ends (TFA mentions over $9 billion just for TN alone so that's just under $2 billion a year, and medical care costs never go up right?) and that will be an unending cost that will go well over that number as it adds up over the years. By not taking the subsidy they aren't obligated to cover it once it ends. It's actually a bit of long term planning for fiscal responsibility to not take it.

It's not paying back the loan shark dollar for dollar that gets you, it's paying the vig that gets you.
 
2014-07-08 07:22:08 AM  

Radioactive Ass: ginandbacon: GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

The states involved aren't worried about the money that they will get today nor is "Sticking it to Obama" the only reason for not taking it (although I'll agree that that may be a part of it), they are worried about the budget crushing costs coming after the federal subsidies end in 5 years that they will be on the hook for. States who take the subsidy will suffer after 2019 when the federal subsidy ends (TFA mentions over $9 billion just for TN alone so that's just under $2 billion a year, and medical care costs never go up right?) and that will be an unending cost that will go well over that number as it adds up over the years. By not taking the subsidy they aren't obligated to cover it once it ends. It's actually a bit of long term planning for fiscal responsibility to not take it.

It's not paying back the loan shark dollar for dollar that gets you, it's paying the vig that gets you.


And there will be no savings as a result of the program? The cost of the medically uninsured, in a state as big a Tennessee, is less than 9 billion? Wow. Amazing.
Oh, no - wait. It's not amazing - it's bullshiat.
Nope - not fiscal responsibility - political warfare. But it fools the stupid, and that's what it's designed to do - use penny wise, pound foolish logic to get trailer trash to vote GOP.
 
2014-07-08 07:46:55 AM  

Radioactive Ass: ginandbacon: GOP legislators are such immoral assholes that they would willingly burden their fellow citizens and lose money just to spite the President?

The states involved aren't worried about the money that they will get today nor is "Sticking it to Obama" the only reason for not taking it (although I'll agree that that may be a part of it), they are worried about the budget crushing costs coming after the federal subsidies end in 5 years that they will be on the hook for. States who take the subsidy will suffer after 2019 when the federal subsidy ends (TFA mentions over $9 billion just for TN alone so that's just under $2 billion a year, and medical care costs never go up right?) and that will be an unending cost that will go well over that number as it adds up over the years. By not taking the subsidy they aren't obligated to cover it once it ends. It's actually a bit of long term planning for fiscal responsibility to not take it.

It's not paying back the loan shark dollar for dollar that gets you, it's paying the vig that gets you.


I don't think the subsidy ends. It's 100% for the first three years then 90% after that.
 
2014-07-08 07:59:16 AM  
If Tennessee sucks so bad for them, why not move to a state that is better for them?

Since they haven't relocated, being apart must be easier on them than packing up and moving to another state.

Or being in Tennessee is so important to them that they are willing to be seperated and sleep in homeless shelters.
 
2014-07-08 08:03:08 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: If Tennessee sucks so bad for them, why not move to a state that is better for them?

Since they haven't relocated, being apart must be easier on them than packing up and moving to another state.

Or being in Tennessee is so important to them that they are willing to be seperated and sleep in homeless shelters.


Do you have any idea how expensive and difficult it is to move to another state?  It's not exactly something people who are barely above poverty level can do on a whim.
 
2014-07-08 08:07:48 AM  

Brick-House: oh yes, and this...


An unsourced graph? Woo, that's gonna be tough to igno....wait, already ignored it. Please try again.
 
2014-07-08 08:23:47 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: Soon, to crack down on this kind of Medicaid "fraud", Medicaid recipients will have to prove their divorces are legit, by banging their ex's best friend in front of a caseworker.


Read "The Divide" by Matt Taibbi.   Case workers go though prospective welfare's underwear looking for evidence that they have a boyfriend which would be "fraud."    In California they are told to go home and wait for up to a week for the inspector to show up.   If they are not home when inspector shows up they lose benefits.   One person sent her kid to school as it was a school day and school hours.  Naturally the inspector did not believe this excuse and she lost welfare because she "fraudulently" claimed to have a child.  And this is California....   Basically the courts have rules that anyone who asks the government for any kind of assistance has completely and utterly given up their 4th Amendment rights.   Oddly enough this draconian crap is not applied to those who got corporate welfare, got tax deductions, or just paid a campaign contribution to get something from the government.
 
2014-07-08 08:25:09 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Read "The Divide" by Matt Taibbi. Case workers go though prospective welfare's underwear looking


prospective welfare recipients

Obviously.   Go ahead, someone can make the joke.
 
2014-07-08 10:23:24 AM  

Brick-House: oh yes, and this...

[cdn.thefiscaltimes.com image 534x460]


Why did you not link to the original or include the watermark?  A graph isn't anything except lines until its methodology is known.
 
2014-07-08 10:24:57 AM  

TwoBeersOneCan: Brick-House: oh yes, and this...

[cdn.thefiscaltimes.com image 534x460]

Why did you not link to the original or include the watermark?  A graph isn't anything except lines until its methodology is known.


Nevermind.  It's from the Fiscal Times so it's obvious why you didn't link to it.
 
2014-07-08 10:56:03 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Gaseous Anomaly: Soon, to crack down on this kind of Medicaid "fraud", Medicaid recipients will have to prove their divorces are legit, by banging their ex's best friend in front of a caseworker.

Read "The Divide" by Matt Taibbi.   Case workers go though prospective welfare's underwear looking for evidence that they have a boyfriend which would be "fraud."    In California they are told to go home and wait for up to a week for the inspector to show up.   If they are not home when inspector shows up they lose benefits.   One person sent her kid to school as it was a school day and school hours.  Naturally the inspector did not believe this excuse and she lost welfare because she "fraudulently" claimed to have a child.  And this is California....   Basically the courts have rules that anyone who asks the government for any kind of assistance has completely and utterly given up their 4th Amendment rights.   Oddly enough this draconian crap is not applied to those who got corporate welfare, got tax deductions, or just paid a campaign contribution to get something from the government.


Yeah, imagine if getting the mortgage interest tax deduction (a much bigger expenditure than TANF) was so invasive. The IRS just takes the bank's word for it that a house is your primary residence, and the bank just takes your word for it (AFAIK). But if the IRS required agents to watch you sleep to ensure you're only claiming the deduction on a primary residence, imagine the uproar.
 
2014-07-08 11:06:35 AM  

Lawnchair: You get 100% subsidized Obamacare if your income is 100%-133% of the Poverty Level ($15730 for a couple).

They made less than $15,730.

So?

Lie.

Through your teeth.

Invent some income.


Private insurance, even with 100%-subsidized premiums, isn't nearly as affordable as Medicaid. You get "in-network" pricing on services, which is a substantial savings (and why an infinite-deductible plan would be of some nonzero value). But the private exchange plans have high cost-sharing (deductibles, coinsurances and copays). Medicaid has low or zero cost-sharing, since having high cost-sharing pretty much defeats the purpose of an insurance plan for the poor.

Admittedly it's much better than nothing.
 
2014-07-08 11:12:33 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: TheMysteriousStranger: Gaseous Anomaly: Soon, to crack down on this kind of Medicaid "fraud", Medicaid recipients will have to prove their divorces are legit, by banging their ex's best friend in front of a caseworker.

Read "The Divide" by Matt Taibbi.   Case workers go though prospective welfare's underwear looking for evidence that they have a boyfriend which would be "fraud."    In California they are told to go home and wait for up to a week for the inspector to show up.   If they are not home when inspector shows up they lose benefits.   One person sent her kid to school as it was a school day and school hours.  Naturally the inspector did not believe this excuse and she lost welfare because she "fraudulently" claimed to have a child.  And this is California....   Basically the courts have rules that anyone who asks the government for any kind of assistance has completely and utterly given up their 4th Amendment rights.   Oddly enough this draconian crap is not applied to those who got corporate welfare, got tax deductions, or just paid a campaign contribution to get something from the government.

Yeah, imagine if getting the mortgage interest tax deduction (a much bigger expenditure than TANF) was so invasive. The IRS just takes the bank's word for it that a house is your primary residence, and the bank just takes your word for it (AFAIK). But if the IRS required agents to watch you sleep to ensure you're only claiming the deduction on a primary residence, imagine the uproar.


I get your analogy, but you are permitted to deduct the interest on up to $1.1M of acquisition and equity debt on up to two homes, your main home and your second home. If you are deducting interest for more than two locations, or are deducting interest on more than the allowed debt, the IRS can request documentation from you to substantiate your claim that the interest is properly deducted. The IRS doesn't need to be so invasive to properly execute their duties, unlike the CA CPS.

The bank doesn't care if the home is your main, second, third, fourth, or eleventh home. They report interest to the IRS and it is up to you to determine what portion of the interest is deductible.
 
2014-07-08 11:13:25 AM  

twistofsin: My former in-laws had to do this when the husband's dementia got so bad he needed 24 hr supervision. Thankfully I guess for him his mind was to far gone to understand that he was divorced, but it broke his wife's heart.


Medicaid is the primary source of long-term-care funding in the US. Usually through a perfectly legitimate mechanism: the patient burns through all of their savings and assets paying for LTC, thereby becoming sufficiently poor for Medicaid. There's probably a better way to finance LTC, but I'm at a loss as to what it might be.
 
2014-07-08 11:21:09 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: twistofsin: My former in-laws had to do this when the husband's dementia got so bad he needed 24 hr supervision. Thankfully I guess for him his mind was to far gone to understand that he was divorced, but it broke his wife's heart.

Medicaid is the primary source of long-term-care funding in the US. Usually through a perfectly legitimate mechanism: the patient burns through all of their savings and assets paying for LTC, thereby becoming sufficiently poor for Medicaid. There's probably a better way to finance LTC, but I'm at a loss as to what it might be.


Long Term Care Insurance policies. Premiums are even deductible as an itemized deduction.
 
2014-07-08 01:34:01 PM  

Damnhippyfreak: I don't think the subsidy ends. It's 100% for the first three years then 90% after that.


TFA says that it's over in 2019, if it were unlimited at 90% It's not logical to me that they would have mentioned that cutoff date. Not for the elderly but the state subsidies for the under 65 crowd. It may be 100% then 90% for two years after that, I haven't seen that before but I suppose it's possible, there's a lot of FUD out there. And it's Think Progress so they are going try to shine the best light on it but I'll accept taking that with a grain of salt without more information and give them the benefit of the doubt. But it's fiscally unfeasible to think that the federal government can have no cutoff for the Medicare Subsidies given the total amount of money involved and I do recall reading that the Medicare costs were going to be transferred over to the states when that happened and that they couldn't drop out of those obligations once they took the federal subsidies as a condition of taking them. If my recall is correct, and I believe that it is, then any state taking the Medicare Subsidy is going to be on the hook for the money that the Medicare Subsidy provides today after the subsidy ends.

Again, it's the vig that kills you, not the loan.
 
2014-07-08 04:50:29 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Damnhippyfreak: I don't think the subsidy ends. It's 100% for the first three years then 90% after that.

TFA says that it's over in 2019, if it were unlimited at 90% It's not logical to me that they would have mentioned that cutoff date.



Actually, it does not.

Thanks to the generous federal funding designated for states that expand Medicaid, implementing this policy could actually help Tennessee receive over $9.4 billion in revenue between 2014 and 2019 and create over 21,800 jobs in the health care sector.

This is the period considered for the analysis linked to. I'm guessing they were doing a 5-year outlook.


Radioactive Ass: Not for the elderly but the state subsidies for the under 65 crowd. It may be 100% then 90% for two years after that, I haven't seen that before but I suppose it's possible, there's a lot of FUD out there. And it's Think Progress so they are going try to shine the best light on it but I'll accept taking that with a grain of salt without more information and give them the benefit of the doubt. But it's fiscally unfeasible to think that the federal government can have no cutoff for the Medicare Subsidies given the total amount of money involved and I do recall reading that the Medicare costs were going to be transferred over to the states when that happened and that they couldn't drop out of those obligations once they took the federal subsidies as a condition of taking them. If my recall is correct, and I believe that it is, then any state taking the Medicare Subsidy is going to be on the hook for the money that the Medicare Subsidy provides today after the subsidy ends.

Again, it's the vig that kills you, not the loan.



It is what it is.

Coverage for the newly eligible adults will be fully funded by the federal government for three years, beginning in 2014, phasing down to 90% by 2020.

Maybe something that would help when wrestling with these costs would be to note how much we're already spending and how much would be saved by taking this approach.
 
2014-07-08 05:00:31 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: FirstNationalBastard: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: ManateeGag: Rann Xerox: gopher321: Damn. Was hoping it would be a re-hash of Jeri Ryan's marriage break up and all the salacious details...

This should help to soothe the hurt:

[i78.photobucket.com image 488x639]

excuse me.  I need to find my bunk.

No wonder Harry spent so much time in sickbay.

*twitch*

Seven and Chakotay?

Fark you, writers, it was Seven and the Doctor or nothing!

[media.tumblr.com image 480x2

[doctorwhowhovian.files.wordpress.com image 369x641]

media.giphy.com
 
2014-07-08 07:26:30 PM  
TFA says that Tennessee refusing to follow the law is what broke up this couple's marriage.

But you knew that already.
 
2014-07-08 08:03:25 PM  

Brick-House: oh yes, and this...

[cdn.thefiscaltimes.com image 534x460]


Glad you're concerned about the affordability of healthcare for those above 400% of the poverty level.

I assume you've written your senators and representative demanding an expansion of premium tax credits to higher income levels?
 
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