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2014-07-07 10:27:52 AM
You remember how back in 2008, one could be on these political forums complaining that pot wasn't legal and that your taxes were too high or that you could never meet women and then someone would quote your complaint with one word:

Ron Paul

Linux Journal users are like that, except that the complaint would be that my computer memory is running out of control and that I think someone is monitoring my internet use or that I never meet enough spies. The same guys answer with one word

Linux
 
2014-07-07 10:44:15 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: You remember how back in 2008, one could be on these political forums complaining that pot wasn't legal and that your taxes were too high or that you could never meet women and then someone would quote your complaint with one word:

Ron Paul

Linux Journal users are like that, except that the complaint would be that my computer memory is running out of control and that I think someone is monitoring my internet use or that I never meet enough spies. The same guys answer with one word

Linux


That pretty much happens in any forum that's dedicated to a particular topic. e-cigarette-forum.com? Vaping will make your wife want to have sex with you again. talk-polywell.org? Polywell fusion is literally going to save the world. Freerepublic.com? Democrats are the root of all evil. Dailykos.com? Republicans are the root of all evil. Stormfront? Minorities are the root of all evil. Fark.com? Sobriety is the root of all evil.

In pretty much all of 'em, you can find a couple of assholes who think violent revolution is the correct way to get the nation to their preferred state.
 
2014-07-07 11:35:18 AM
They apparently haven't read the Apple/Mac Forums.  Those people are truly extremists.
 
2014-07-07 11:47:51 AM

incendi: Fark.com? Sobriety is the root of all evil.


Fark is the woot! of all evil.
 
2014-07-07 12:06:32 PM
What are we getting worked up about here?
 
2014-07-07 12:14:53 PM

ginandbacon: What are we getting worked up about here?


Does it really matter?
 
2014-07-07 12:43:02 PM

ginandbacon: What are we getting worked up about here?


www.question-defense.com

The Future.
 
2014-07-07 12:47:45 PM
Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).
 
2014-07-07 12:48:35 PM
the NSA targets anyone in 'murica who is not wealthy.  they serve their wealthy Owners, not the People.   that is what happens when Democracy goes bye bye and Plutocracy/Aristocracy takes over.


ain't Freedom great!
 
2014-07-07 12:50:03 PM

mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).



Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.
 
2014-07-07 12:54:55 PM
another reason the Linux Journal carries special favor in the eyes of the NSA is because, as we all know, Linux and Open Source software is created and maintained by the Community.  i.o.w. it's a very Democratic system of creating software.  the Crony Capitalists view that as SOCIALISM.   and they can't stand socialism, unless they can utilize cheap slave labor in places like Red China.  that is the only time they like Socialism.  they view Socialism and Community as the enemy of Capitalism.  the Irony of that is too surreal.


the NSA is not interested in Democracy.  they are only interested in Capitalism and their wealthy capitalist Owners.
 
2014-07-07 12:55:42 PM
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2014-07-07 12:56:50 PM

Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.


Linux is only Free if your time has no value.
 
2014-07-07 12:57:28 PM

incendi: Because People in power are Stupid: You remember how back in 2008, one could be on these political forums complaining that pot wasn't legal and that your taxes were too high or that you could never meet women and then someone would quote your complaint with one word:

Ron Paul

Linux Journal users are like that, except that the complaint would be that my computer memory is running out of control and that I think someone is monitoring my internet use or that I never meet enough spies. The same guys answer with one word

Linux

That pretty much happens in any forum that's dedicated to a particular topic. e-cigarette-forum.com? Vaping will make your wife want to have sex with you again. talk-polywell.org? Polywell fusion is literally going to save the world. Freerepublic.com? Democrats are the root of all evil. Dailykos.com? Republicans are the root of all evil. Stormfront? Minorities are the root of all evil. Fark.com? Sobriety is the root of all evil.

In pretty much all of 'em, you can find a couple of assholes who think violent revolution is the correct way to get the nation to their preferred state.



Revolution is Always the last resort.  and it is very dangerous because of collateral damage and because outcomes can be very unpredictable, as in all wars.  just ask the U.S. (vietnam, Iraq, etc etc)
 
2014-07-07 12:58:59 PM
LOL, I used to have a 3 year sub in the late 90s, am I on the turrist watch list now?
 
2014-07-07 12:59:55 PM

Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.


www.drbill.tv
 
2014-07-07 01:00:10 PM
Doesn't the NSA use Linux pretty heavily?  I seem to remember they were a driving force behind the SELinux standard.
 
2014-07-07 01:00:57 PM
Extreme?  Extreme obesity, maybe. Extreme lack of muscle tone, yes.  Extreme problems with hygiene, obviously.
 
2014-07-07 01:01:19 PM
What I'm drawing from this is that there's another leaker and this one is (presumably) *still at the NSA.*

I have to assume that the number of people with access to the code for this project is fairly small. (Maybe a few hundred?) So this new leaker had better run if they're not already dead in a ditch somewhere.

/What happens if over the next couple years we have dozens of leakers?
 
2014-07-07 01:01:24 PM

gingerjet: Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.

Linux is only Free if your time has no value.



that is weird because i spent more time dicking with XP than i ever do with Linux.  no more defragging necessary, no more anti-virus to update and configure.  no Registry to fool with if something goes wrong.  no more conflicting apps to fight with when they don't play nice together.  no more OS slowing down with time.  a Linux install runs as fast 2 years later as the day you installed it.  i could go on and on.

with Linux Mint, i can install and use right away.  no configuring necessary.  course, i choose to configure my install because i'm a picky bastard and like things a certain way.  in Linux, i can modify/customize all i want, as long as i know how.  but i don't have to.  i choose to.
 
2014-07-07 01:01:42 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Extreme?  Extreme obesity, maybe. Extreme lack of muscle tone, yes.  Extreme problems with hygiene, obviously.


You forgot extremely pale skin from an extreme aversion to sunlight.
 
2014-07-07 01:03:36 PM

anfrind: Doesn't the NSA use Linux pretty heavily?  I seem to remember they were a driving force behind the SELinux standard.



YES.  THEY.  DO.    most people don't know just how much Linux and open source software the NSA uses.  for example, the use the hell out of the packet sniffer called Snort.
 
2014-07-07 01:06:38 PM

Linux_Yes: gingerjet: Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.

Linux is only Free if your time has no value.


that is weird because i spent more time dicking with XP than i ever do with Linux.  no more defragging necessary, no more anti-virus to update and configure.  no Registry to fool with if something goes wrong.  no more conflicting apps to fight with when they don't play nice together.  no more OS slowing down with time.  a Linux install runs as fast 2 years later as the day you installed it.  i could go on and on.

with Linux Mint, i can install and use right away.  no configuring necessary.  course, i choose to configure my install because i'm a picky bastard and like things a certain way.  in Linux, i can modify/customize all i want, as long as i know how.  but i don't have to.  i choose to.


Linux looks more like Windows every day.  They'll get there eventually.
 
2014-07-07 01:08:08 PM
Unwashed, unshaved, unkempt, fanatical about something the vast majority don't understand, speaking in weird sounding terms, getting angry at the suggestion they lighten up. Yeah, I can see a certain segment of the Linux community as being extremist.

OS agnostics burn their nostrils, BTW.
 
2014-07-07 01:09:06 PM

hardinparamedic: ginandbacon: What are we getting worked up about here?

[www.question-defense.com image 665x331]

The Future.



yea...........ah............if you want to open a terminal you can.  but 99% of the time i don't.  i prefer the GUI/Desktop just like any windows user does.

if you do decide to open a terminal in Linux, it's much more powerful than a windows terminal.  you can do anything with root privleges in a linux terminal.  not so with windows.

nice try, though.
 
2014-07-07 01:10:16 PM

wildcardjack: Unwashed, unshaved, unkempt, fanatical about something the vast majority don't understand, speaking in weird sounding terms, getting angry at the suggestion they lighten up. Yeah, I can see a certain segment ALL of the Linux community Internet as being extremist.


FTFY
 
2014-07-07 01:10:58 PM

stonicus: Linux_Yes: gingerjet: Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.

Linux is only Free if your time has no value.


that is weird because i spent more time dicking with XP than i ever do with Linux.  no more defragging necessary, no more anti-virus to update and configure.  no Registry to fool with if something goes wrong.  no more conflicting apps to fight with when they don't play nice together.  no more OS slowing down with time.  a Linux install runs as fast 2 years later as the day you installed it.  i could go on and on.

with Linux Mint, i can install and use right away.  no configuring necessary.  course, i choose to configure my install because i'm a picky bastard and like things a certain way.  in Linux, i can modify/customize all i want, as long as i know how.  but i don't have to.  i choose to.

Linux looks more like Windows every day.  They'll get there eventually.



i'd have to say they are already there.  not all distributions are there, but Linux Mint and Ubuntu are already there, user friendly wise.  course, they are not installed when you buy the computer.  that is one advantage microsoft still has.  if you can burn a DVD, you can install Linux.
 
2014-07-07 01:12:35 PM
For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?
 
2014-07-07 01:13:31 PM

SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?


They use their Windows tablet...
 
2014-07-07 01:14:15 PM

SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?


Rule #1 of Linux masturbation threads: Thou shalt not mention gaming or smooth video playback.
 
2014-07-07 01:15:39 PM

incendi: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?

Rule #1 of Linux masturbation threads: Thou shalt not mention gaming or smooth video playback.


Or having touched a woman in real life
 
2014-07-07 01:18:31 PM

incendi: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?

Rule #1 of Linux masturbation threads: Thou shalt not mention gaming or smooth video playback.



that's weird.  my video playback works fine.  not a gamer so could not care less.
 
2014-07-07 01:19:47 PM
When you have infinite resources and free time, it makes a certain amount of sense to snoop on a group discussion board that attracts computer-savvy individuals on the off chance that one of them just might give away his secret identity as a cyber-terrorist.  That also means that you have way too many resources, free time, and available assets, and your budget needs to be seriously cut.
 
2014-07-07 01:21:05 PM

Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.


Finally a political forum where your one-dimensional schtick fits. Enjoy it, my friend. Enjoy it.
 
2014-07-07 01:21:56 PM

SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?



Amazon movies work fine in Linux.  so do Hulu and Hulu Plus movies.  Netflix doesn't but there is a hack to make it work if you'll bother do do some reading on google.  i know, reading isn't cool in windowsland.  this is a Netflix shortsight, not Linux.  with time, Netflix too will work on Linux machines without a hack.

i prefer to use my Roku streaming set top box to watch movies, including Netflix.  the Roku runs Linux, btw.
 
2014-07-07 01:23:01 PM

stonicus: Linux_Yes: gingerjet: Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.

Linux is only Free if your time has no value.


that is weird because i spent more time dicking with XP than i ever do with Linux.  no more defragging necessary, no more anti-virus to update and configure.  no Registry to fool with if something goes wrong.  no more conflicting apps to fight with when they don't play nice together.  no more OS slowing down with time.  a Linux install runs as fast 2 years later as the day you installed it.  i could go on and on.

with Linux Mint, i can install and use right away.  no configuring necessary.  course, i choose to configure my install because i'm a picky bastard and like things a certain way.  in Linux, i can modify/customize all i want, as long as i know how.  but i don't have to.  i choose to.

Linux looks more like Windows every day.  They'll get there eventually.


They certainly seem to strive for that objective
 
2014-07-07 01:23:40 PM

Nemo's Brother: Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.

Finally a political forum where your one-dimensional schtick fits. Enjoy it, my friend. Enjoy it.



i am.  i enjoy watching windows fade as Open Source software grows daily around the world.  you might want to come out of your hiding place someday.....you might be surprised at what you discover.
 
2014-07-07 01:24:25 PM
Back when I got my first smart phone, I decided that all my private info should stay that way. I can't control what Google ultimately does with my email but my photos and documents should be mine.

The document/picture storage on my phone is actually an SSH connection to a Raspberry Pi and a 32GB encrypted USB. Ultimately, nothing is totally secure if the person is willing to put in enough effort but at this point it's sufficiently difficult for anyone besides myself to get anything off my phone as all the links in the chain are protected in one way or another.

Crazy? Probably, but it was a fun little exercise to set up and it's really not that difficult. I did go over my data plan once when I was doing a huge number of property inspections and uploaded a crap-ton of photos without turning that off. And when the power/internet is out at home I don't have access to everything but that's maybe happened twice in the past few years.
 
2014-07-07 01:24:54 PM

machoprogrammer: Or having touched a woman in real life


REALDOLL_YES ?
 
2014-07-07 01:25:06 PM

Nemo's Brother: stonicus: Linux_Yes: gingerjet: Linux_Yes: mcreadyblue: Loyal Americans only use Windows(c).


Wrong.  Smart Americans use Linux.  you are Free to use any software you want, good or bad.   I am also Free to tell you to fix it yourself if you are using Windows.

Linux is only Free if your time has no value.


that is weird because i spent more time dicking with XP than i ever do with Linux.  no more defragging necessary, no more anti-virus to update and configure.  no Registry to fool with if something goes wrong.  no more conflicting apps to fight with when they don't play nice together.  no more OS slowing down with time.  a Linux install runs as fast 2 years later as the day you installed it.  i could go on and on.

with Linux Mint, i can install and use right away.  no configuring necessary.  course, i choose to configure my install because i'm a picky bastard and like things a certain way.  in Linux, i can modify/customize all i want, as long as i know how.  but i don't have to.  i choose to.

Linux looks more like Windows every day.  They'll get there eventually.

They certainly seem to strive for that objective



someone hasn't seen Linux Desktop snapshots lately.....
 
2014-07-07 01:25:18 PM

Linux_Yes: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?


Amazon movies work fine in Linux.  so do Hulu and Hulu Plus movies.  Netflix doesn't but there is a hack to make it work if you'll bother do do some reading on google.  i know, reading isn't cool in windowsland.  this is a Netflix shortsight, not Linux.  with time, Netflix too will work on Linux machines without a hack.

i prefer to use my Roku streaming set top box to watch movies, including Netflix.  the Roku runs Linux, btw.


Netflix is moving to HTML5 for its streaming, so that should make it far easier to use in Linux.
 
2014-07-07 01:25:51 PM
Did anyone bother reading the cost linked? Its scrapping from the forum whenever a certain technology like tor is mentioned on the linux forum.  Not the entire forum. But yes, if I was looking for people discussing tor, that would be a good place to start.
 
2014-07-07 01:26:16 PM

machoprogrammer: incendi: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?

Rule #1 of Linux masturbation threads: Thou shalt not mention gaming or smooth video playback.

Or having touched a woman in real life


What's a woman?
 
2014-07-07 01:27:27 PM

Linux_Yes: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?


Amazon movies work fine in Linux.  so do Hulu and Hulu Plus movies.  Netflix doesn't but there is a hack to make it work if you'll bother do do some reading on google.  i know, reading isn't cool in windowsland.  this is a Netflix shortsight, not Linux.  with time, Netflix too will work on Linux machines without a hack.

i prefer to use my Roku streaming set top box to watch movies, including Netflix.  the Roku runs Linux, btw.


Netflix is slowly moving off of Silverlight because MS had dropped further development.
http://techblog.netflix.com/2014/06/html5-video-in-safari-on-os-x-yo se mite.html
 
2014-07-07 01:27:29 PM

jake_lex: Netflix is moving to HTML5 for its streaming, so that should make it far easier to use in Linux.


That would be fantastic.

I cut the cord last year and use a Windows box for streaming. Have another box just sitting there and thinking about making it a Linux box to replace my Roku for my other TV but didn't want to do that until I knew I could stream Netflix.
 
2014-07-07 01:29:28 PM

wildcardjack: Unwashed, unshaved, unkempt, fanatical about something the vast majority don't understand, speaking in weird sounding terms, getting angry at the suggestion they lighten up. Yeah, I can see a certain segment of the Linux community as being extremist.

OS agnostics burn their nostrils, BTW.



wow, you've completely redefined the word "Prejudiced".  well done, bill shakespeare.   you must be a high school graduate!!
 
2014-07-07 01:30:26 PM

Linux_Yes: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?


Amazon movies work fine in Linux.  so do Hulu and Hulu Plus movies.  Netflix doesn't but there is a hack to make it work if you'll bother do do some reading on google.  i know, reading isn't cool in windowsland.  this is a Netflix shortsight, not Linux.  with time, Netflix too will work on Linux machines without a hack.

i prefer to use my Roku streaming set top box to watch movies, including Netflix.  the Roku runs Linux, btw.


So you need 2 linux devices to do what 1 windows device can do.  Interesting.
 
2014-07-07 01:32:21 PM

jake_lex: Linux_Yes: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?


Amazon movies work fine in Linux.  so do Hulu and Hulu Plus movies.  Netflix doesn't but there is a hack to make it work if you'll bother do do some reading on google.  i know, reading isn't cool in windowsland.  this is a Netflix shortsight, not Linux.  with time, Netflix too will work on Linux machines without a hack.

i prefer to use my Roku streaming set top box to watch movies, including Netflix.  the Roku runs Linux, btw.

Netflix is moving to HTML5 for its streaming, so that should make it far easier to use in Linux.



yea i read/heard something about that.  that would be great.  i think the DRM thing is a concern for them as their content owners are anal about DRM.

apple uses only HTML5.  no flash, silverlight, etc.   i'm not concerned because i know that soon Neflix will work fine on Linux.   that has been the trend for the last 10 years.
 
2014-07-07 01:33:25 PM

stonicus: Linux_Yes: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?


Amazon movies work fine in Linux.  so do Hulu and Hulu Plus movies.  Netflix doesn't but there is a hack to make it work if you'll bother do do some reading on google.  i know, reading isn't cool in windowsland.  this is a Netflix shortsight, not Linux.  with time, Netflix too will work on Linux machines without a hack.

i prefer to use my Roku streaming set top box to watch movies, including Netflix.  the Roku runs Linux, btw.

So you need 2 linux devices to do what 1 windows device can do.  Interesting.


I have two TVs. One with the Windows box, one with the Roku.
 
2014-07-07 01:34:01 PM

incendi: SurfaceTension: For those who install Linux, what do you use to watch Netflix and Amazon movies? Doesn't Silverlight plugin require Windows?

Rule #1 of Linux masturbation threads: Thou shalt not mention gaming or smooth video playback.


Or workable audio apps.  Or usable professional office tools.
 
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