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2014-07-06 04:52:21 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: He was railroaded but it wasn't because he was black. Being poor is what doomed him. A good defense attorney would have gotten him off. Race had nothing do with this.


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2014-07-06 04:53:08 PM  
The missing piece is the gap between laws and actual courtroom behavior.

This kind of prosecutorial misconduct is already very, gigantically, hard to describe illegal. And judicial systems have internal reviews that are supposed to happen if judges have "strange" cases and "strange" behavior happen in front of them. (Because there's a good chance they were being bribed to ignore what was right in front of them.)

The problem is that enforcement tends to drain into the same hands as the misconduct itself. It's rather hard to disbar anyone when everyone is in a Mexican standoff of decades-old misconduct blackmail against each other.
 
2014-07-06 04:53:57 PM  

mootmah: You're arguing with a joke


Sarcasm is often lost on the Internet.
 
2014-07-06 04:59:26 PM  

padraig: Savage Belief: This article is about his release and how he plans to move forward with his life, not about your racial sensitivities, subtard.

Because sure, race has absolutely nothing to do with what happened to him.

Never talk about racism in America, it might upset the white man.


Never said it didn't. What I did say is that this is a more lighthearted article about what he is doing now. One thing he doesn't seem to be doing is dwelling on the racism that put him in. He talks about building relationships with his kids and finding a place to live. He's trying to move forward, not back. Maybe if you'd follow his example you wouldnt be so outraged all the time.
 
2014-07-06 05:01:39 PM  
Blatant misconduct by the prosecution should result in immunity being stripped.  Let's toss a few asshole lawyers in jail and see how much our justice system improves.  Ditto for cops.
 
2014-07-06 05:01:48 PM  
DA's should face same punishment if they wrongly convict someone. And if by chance a innocent person is put to death, same rules should apply.
 
2014-07-06 05:08:45 PM  

CheapEngineer: Savage Belief: This article is about his release and how he plans to move forward with his life, not about your racial sensitivities, subtard.

/Hope he is able to re-acclimate
//Hope he sues NYC's pants off

How were you able to formulate this post without using the word "libtard"?

\someone has stolen your login


I only use libtard when I'm being sarcastic.
 
2014-07-06 05:15:50 PM  

Dinjiin: mootmah: You're arguing with a joke

Sarcasm is often lost on the Internet.


I think you need to get your meter re-calibrated. it came thru pretty clear over here.
 
2014-07-06 05:17:47 PM  
Farking racist New York
 
2014-07-06 05:23:16 PM  

hasty ambush: Farking racist New YorkI'm a dumbass.


FTFY
 
2014-07-06 05:24:14 PM  
You don't need to be black to get railroaded by a prosecutor. Just ask Michael Morton
 
2014-07-06 05:30:34 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: He was railroaded but it wasn't because he was black. Being poor is what doomed him. A good defense attorney would have gotten him off. Race had nothing do with this.


That's pretty true now. 25 years ago, at the very height of the "crack is whack" drug sentencing disparities among tons of other disparities, with the prosecutor, judge, and jury all a product of the 50's and 60's, no, he was railroaded because he was black and poor.

Today justice is all about the size of your pocketbook. Yay progress.
 
2014-07-06 05:31:38 PM  
After dropping into 2014 from 1989, Fleming spent a recent day opening the first bank account he's had in his 51 years, learned to use his new iPhone and got an email address set up by one of his lawyers.
It has a "14" in it, for the year he was freed.  "Should have said '24' - the years that I did."


Stop it.  Right there.  That's what I mean, the black son of a biatch is never satisfied.  Go ahead and play the racial card, but that lady holding the scales of justice outside of the court is blindfolded.  The great 'Murican justice system doesn't make mistakes other than the totally honest kind of mistakes.
 
2014-07-06 05:34:01 PM  

iheartscotch: Sounds like the prosecution withheld some exonerating evidence from the defense. New York is going to pay and is going to pay large.


Hang on a second. Who is going to pay? The DA? The prosecutor? The public defender? The judge? The cops. No, the taxpayers of the great state of New York will pay for any settlement.

Here's the problem - you get tossed in prison for two decades, paid for by taxpayers. You prove your innocence, get released, and get a settlement - courtesy of taxpayers. At no point do any of the people who actually committed a crime get punished. Not financially, not through a prison sentence, if anything, they are encouraged to continue to ignore justice in favor of career-building at everyone's expense but their own.

I for one am shocked that the gentleman who was freed wasn't given a bill for his time in prison, since he shouldn't have been there anyway.
 
2014-07-06 05:34:07 PM  

Prey4reign: After dropping into 2014 from 1989, Fleming spent a recent day opening the first bank account he's had in his 51 years, learned to use his new iPhone and got an email address set up by one of his lawyers.
It has a "14" in it, for the year he was freed.  "Should have said '24' - the years that I did."

Stop it.  Right there.  That's what I mean, the black son of a biatch is never satisfied.  Go ahead and play the racial card, but that lady holding the scales of justice outside of the court is blindfolded.  The great 'Murican justice system doesn't make mistakes other than the totally honest kind of mistakes.


You'll notice that they keep her outside the courthouse. Symbology.
 
2014-07-06 05:46:31 PM  

mootmah: Prey4reign: After dropping into 2014 from 1989, Fleming spent a recent day opening the first bank account he's had in his 51 years, learned to use his new iPhone and got an email address set up by one of his lawyers.
It has a "14" in it, for the year he was freed.  "Should have said '24' - the years that I did."

Stop it.  Right there.  That's what I mean, the black son of a biatch is never satisfied.  Go ahead and play the racial card, but that lady holding the scales of justice outside of the court is blindfolded.  The great 'Murican justice system doesn't make mistakes other than the totally honest kind of mistakes.

You'll notice that they keep her outside the courthouse. Symbology.


She is also facing away from it. They could make her blind but not that dumb.
 
2014-07-06 05:47:07 PM  

mootmah: Prey4reign: After dropping into 2014 from 1989, Fleming spent a recent day opening the first bank account he's had in his 51 years, learned to use his new iPhone and got an email address set up by one of his lawyers.
It has a "14" in it, for the year he was freed.  "Should have said '24' - the years that I did."

Stop it.  Right there.  That's what I mean, the black son of a biatch is never satisfied.  Go ahead and play the racial card, but that lady holding the scales of justice outside of the court is blindfolded.  The great 'Murican justice system doesn't make mistakes other than the totally honest kind of mistakes.

You'll notice that they keep her outside the courthouse. Symbology.


Sexist symbology. I'm surprised she doesn't have a gag in her mouth as well.
 
2014-07-06 05:51:08 PM  
Is there some place or website where I could donate to this guy?
 
2014-07-06 05:53:11 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Defense investigators located witnesses who said Fleming wasn't the gunman. And prosecutors found previously undisclosed documents in their own files that supported Fleming's alibi, including a hotel phone bill he paid in Orlando, Fla., about five hours before the shooting.

I.e. evidence previously ignored for the sake of getting a conviction.

The prosecutors should be, at minimum, investigated for potential disbarment, or more ideally, imprisonment themselves.


Well they had their quota of black men to lock up, and cut a few corners. So this hood rat could not steal cars and sling drugs on the street for 24 years. That's protecting and serving the shiat out of the situation right there.
 
2014-07-06 05:53:55 PM  

skinink: Somehow I think it wasn't only because he was black, but that he had prior brushes with the law and the prosecutor saw that combination as a win. Add in the evidence the prosecution hid and the win was a slam dunk. I bet the DA would go after a suspect who was black but had no priors but never say never.


Yeah, this doesn't sound like an upstanding citizen.

Fark like a Barsoomian: This kind of prosecutorial misconduct is already very, gigantically, hard to describe illegal. And judicial systems have internal reviews that are supposed to happen if judges have "strange" cases and "strange" behavior happen in front of them. (Because there's a good chance they were being bribed to ignore what was right in front of them.)


Agreed.  Internal affairs needs to not be internal.
 
2014-07-06 05:54:19 PM  

JoieD'Zen: mootmah: Prey4reign: After dropping into 2014 from 1989, Fleming spent a recent day opening the first bank account he's had in his 51 years, learned to use his new iPhone and got an email address set up by one of his lawyers.
It has a "14" in it, for the year he was freed.  "Should have said '24' - the years that I did."

Stop it.  Right there.  That's what I mean, the black son of a biatch is never satisfied.  Go ahead and play the racial card, but that lady holding the scales of justice outside of the court is blindfolded.  The great 'Murican justice system doesn't make mistakes other than the totally honest kind of mistakes.

You'll notice that they keep her outside the courthouse. Symbology.

Sexist symbology. I'm surprised she doesn't have a gag in her mouth as well.


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2014-07-06 06:01:53 PM  

iheartscotch: Sounds like the prosecution withheld some exonerating evidence from the defense. New York is going to pay and is going to pay large.


Pay? Maybe. Large? Probably not.

Proving that the state withheld information purposely will be tough. Prior bad acts, and poor conduct in prison at a civil case will certainly sour the milk.
 
2014-07-06 06:06:32 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: BummerDuck: Sounds like he had a rap sheet before the conviction. So...maybe he got the time he deserved for a crime he wasn't caught... Not saying it's right. Just saying that he didn't have a clear history, and that probably played a huge part.

Lesson here is not about being black, its don't be a career criminal and expect proper treatment from the courts.

And you're part of the problem.  Once a criminal, always a criminal.  Easier to ignore corruption in the system if it means more of THOSE people going to jail, am I right?


Your not a very good troll. You should take more classes.
0 out of 10.
 
2014-07-06 06:08:09 PM  
Cops tase each other during training so they can feel and understand what their victims/perps go through. Why not do the same thing with prosecutors? The weapon they wield is a jail sentence and they aggressively pursue the longest sentence possible. They should feel and understand what it is that the person being sentenced goes through. I say make them serve a sentence of a short, yet not pre determined, length of time. Maybe like a week.
 
2014-07-06 06:08:27 PM  
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
 
2014-07-06 06:12:57 PM  

BummerDuck: Sounds like he had a rap sheet before the conviction. So...maybe he got the time he deserved for a crime he wasn't caught... Not saying it's right. Just saying that he didn't have a clear history, and that probably played a huge part.

Lesson here is not about being black, its don't be a career criminal and expect proper treatment from the courts.


Why wouldn't you? 'Career Criminal' aside, every jury trial is SUPPOSED to allow for presentation of evidence by both sides and when it is suppressed, that's a problem. As for doing time for a crime he didn't get caught for, that's a stupid precedent.

"Your honor, Mr. Bummerduck here is charged with murdering his landlady"
"Mr. Bummerduck, how do you plead?"
"Not Guilty"
"Prosecution?"
"Well, we don't have any evidence your honor, and we obstructed the defense from presenting evidence that could derail our case...but, Mr. Bummerduck was arrested once for solicitation and once for ag assault after a drunken bar fight, so there's probably stuff he didn't do time for..."
"I've heard enough, GUILTY!"

/REALLY?!
 
2014-07-06 06:13:04 PM  

OgreMagi: Blatant misconduct by the prosecution should result in immunity being stripped.  Let's toss a few asshole lawyers in jail and see how much our justice system improves.  Ditto for cops.


It seems weird to not have criminals prosecuted for misconduct.

If a surgeon stabs someone to death it isn't like he can say he's just bad at his job.
 
2014-07-06 06:16:13 PM  

pedobearapproved: BummerDuck: Sounds like he had a rap sheet before the conviction. So...maybe he got the time he deserved for a crime he wasn't caught... Not saying it's right. Just saying that he didn't have a clear history, and that probably played a huge part.

Lesson here is not about being black, its don't be a career criminal and expect proper treatment from the courts.

If it happened to you would you think: "This is for all the times I probably drove technically DUI, and all those times I sped, and when I smoked illegal pot, and that time when I was 20 and I got drunk and got in a fight (oh yeah underage booze consumption, I got to pay for that), and that time I stole the neighbor's netflix dvd that was sitting on top of the communal mailbox, and those times I ate candy out of the bins at the grocery store, etc"  But I'm sure you've never done anything illegal, ever.


Actually, I fully admit I broke the law "Red cars can not drive down Lake Street (Minneapolis, Minnesota)" daily, for a several years!

I don't feel the least bit bad about breaking that law. I even taunted the police when I did it. I sure was a career criminal... You are right, my offenses and his offenses are sure apples to apples!
 
2014-07-06 06:30:07 PM  

Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon: He was railroaded but it wasn't because he was black. Being poor is what doomed him. A good defense attorney would have gotten him off. Race had nothing do with this.


Studies (adjusted for wealth and representation) have shown this to be completely untrue. There is measurable systematic racism in the US judicial system and that it exists is not in controversy.
 
2014-07-06 06:32:25 PM  

BummerDuck: Satanic_Hamster: BummerDuck: Sounds like he had a rap sheet before the conviction. So...maybe he got the time he deserved for a crime he wasn't caught... Not saying it's right. Just saying that he didn't have a clear history, and that probably played a huge part.

Lesson here is not about being black, its don't be a career criminal and expect proper treatment from the courts.

And you're part of the problem.  Once a criminal, always a criminal.  Easier to ignore corruption in the system if it means more of THOSE people going to jail, am I right?

Your not a very good troll. You should take more classes.
0 out of 10.


He wasn't trolling, he was making fun of your ridiculous opinion.
 
2014-07-06 06:33:23 PM  
This kind of crap pisses me off, Das hiding evidence that will prove the accused innocent just to notch another conviction.

Seriously, if a DA is caught doing such a thing , they should automatically lose immunity, and face charge of violating the person they railroad's civil rights.  mainly the right to a fair trial.
 
2014-07-06 06:40:06 PM  
You police and a jury in New York - a city and state both so racist they make the Deep South look like a wonderland of equality - convicted a man for 25 years based off nothing more than the color of his skin?

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This is amazing! Who would have thunk it?
 
2014-07-06 06:40:40 PM  
Are they at least going to send him to a real super jail?

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2014-07-06 06:41:22 PM  
*You mean
 
2014-07-06 06:42:36 PM  
I remember this case being linked of Fark a few months ago. The way the prosecution claimed it went down is just silly. They conceded that he was in Florida, but he drove to New York, killed his friend then drove back to Florida to establish an alibi. Of course they had no proof of none of this, and he also had a receipt for paying for long distance phone calls that placed him in Florida hours after the shooting that basically destroyed their theory of the crime. However that receipt disappeared and the prosecution claimed that they never saw it until it was uncovered a few months ago, that is the recently discovered document that they are talking about. This guy was railroaded by corrupt prosecutors and the best defense attorney in the world wouldn't have been able to do anything about it because the prosecutors hid evidence.
 
2014-07-06 06:48:54 PM  
I swear it makes me want to cry when I read stories like this. How farking evil is it to put someone away for nothing?

This is why I changed my mind about capital punishment. This happens too often.
 
2014-07-06 06:53:19 PM  

Moopy Mac: BummerDuck: Satanic_Hamster: BummerDuck: Sounds like he had a rap sheet before the conviction. So...maybe he got the time he deserved for a crime he wasn't caught... Not saying it's right. Just saying that he didn't have a clear history, and that probably played a huge part.

Lesson here is not about being black, its don't be a career criminal and expect proper treatment from the courts.

And you're part of the problem.  Once a criminal, always a criminal.  Easier to ignore corruption in the system if it means more of THOSE people going to jail, am I right?

Your not a very good troll. You should take more classes.
0 out of 10.

He wasn't trolling, he was making fun of your ridiculous opinion.


Ah, I see. You felt that I was expressing an opinion. No, you are both mistaken (I'm so surprised!). I was stating a fact of life, not my own opinion. Which can be clearly seen when I said "Not saying it's right." The prosecutor and cops are going to be biased against a career criminal. That is not "MY" opinion.
 
2014-07-06 06:55:47 PM  
I remember an episode of The Boondocks where a black man was accused of murdering someone despite the actual killer being seen by witnesses, stating his name before doing the murder and then confessing it. I thought it was a satiric take on the absurdity of how easy black people are blamed for crimes.

But right now? This is farked up and really sad. Crooked lawyers are scummy, but a crooked prosecutor is a dozen times worse.
 
2014-07-06 06:56:02 PM  

BummerDuck: Moopy Mac: BummerDuck: Satanic_Hamster: BummerDuck: Sounds like he had a rap sheet before the conviction. So...maybe he got the time he deserved for a crime he wasn't caught... Not saying it's right. Just saying that he didn't have a clear history, and that probably played a huge part.

Lesson here is not about being black, its don't be a career criminal and expect proper treatment from the courts.

And you're part of the problem.  Once a criminal, always a criminal.  Easier to ignore corruption in the system if it means more of THOSE people going to jail, am I right?

Your not a very good troll. You should take more classes.
0 out of 10.

He wasn't trolling, he was making fun of your ridiculous opinion.

Ah, I see. You felt that I was expressing an opinion. No, you are both mistaken (I'm so surprised!). I was stating a fact of life, not my own opinion. Which can be clearly seen when I said "Not saying it's right." The prosecutor and cops are going to be biased against a career criminal. That is not "MY" opinion.


haha, to clarify, my opinion is that the cops and prosecutors ARE biased against career criminals. If you want to slam me on that, go for it.
 
2014-07-06 07:00:23 PM  
White people have gone to prison wrongly as well libmitter. Try being more sensationalist.
 
2014-07-06 07:00:48 PM  

EbolaNYC: I swear it makes me want to cry when I read stories like this. How farking evil is it to put someone away for nothing?

This is why I changed my mind about capital punishment. This happens too often.


Totally agree. It's also hard for me to imagine a crime worth 25 years in prison. What lesson does a person learn in 35 years that isn't learned in 10.

This person went to prison when I was 10 years old. The world is so incredibly different now. He might die before he ever fully reintegrates into society.
 
2014-07-06 07:03:16 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: hasty ambush: Farking racist New YorkI'm a dumbass.

FTFY


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2014-07-06 07:03:20 PM  
 
2014-07-06 07:06:26 PM  

WizardofToast: I remember an episode of The Boondocks where a black man was accused of murdering someone despite the actual killer being seen by witnesses, stating his name before doing the murder and then confessing it. I thought it was a satiric take on the absurdity of how easy black people are blamed for crimes.

But right now? This is farked up and really sad. Crooked lawyers are scummy, but a crooked prosecutor is a dozen times worse.


And much MUCH more powerful. And immune for his crimes.
 
2014-07-06 07:13:16 PM  

CasperImproved: iheartscotch: Sounds like the prosecution withheld some exonerating evidence from the defense. New York is going to pay and is going to pay large.

Pay? Maybe. Large? Probably not.

Proving that the state withheld information purposely will be tough. Prior bad acts, and poor conduct in prison at a civil case will certainly sour the milk.


is any of that relevant? Even in a civil trial (IANAL), I'd think that would be thrown out.
 
2014-07-06 07:14:01 PM  

que.guero: I for one am shocked that the gentleman who was freed wasn't given a bill for his time in prison, since he shouldn't have been there anyway.


Give it a week and he will get a notice for back due child support.
 
2014-07-06 07:23:47 PM  
I have to ask: where was the jury on this one?  12 people were convinced that he drove 2,000 miles, committed a murder, drove 2,000 miles back to Florida, and that all his family testifying they were on vacation with him were lying?  The pictures and video that showed him in Florida was wrong?  Wasn't there ONE person on the jury that had some questions about this happening as was claimed?
 
2014-07-06 08:01:10 PM  

Geoff Peterson: CasperImproved: iheartscotch: Sounds like the prosecution withheld some exonerating evidence from the defense. New York is going to pay and is going to pay large.

Pay? Maybe. Large? Probably not.

Proving that the state withheld information purposely will be tough. Prior bad acts, and poor conduct in prison at a civil case will certainly sour the milk.

is any of that relevant? Even in a civil trial (IANAL), I'd think that would be thrown out.


Why would it be thrown out? There is no issue with throwing dirt in a civil trial... and yes, it is relevant in a civil trial as it shows he was a criminal before and after the murder he did not commit.

I think that WOULD influence the amount of a payout.
 
2014-07-07 03:29:31 AM  

farkmedown: Evil Mackerel: TedCruz'sCrazyDad:

They are all guilty of something.


Tellarites?

Mr. Reed, that's enough.


I'm watching 'Enterprise' for the first time so I'm reply getting a kick out of this.
 
2014-07-07 12:45:53 PM  

CasperImproved: Why would it be thrown out? There is no issue with throwing dirt in a civil trial... and yes, it is relevant in a civil trial as it shows he was a criminal before and after the murder he did not commit.


I just don't think so, dude. At all.
 
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