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(The New York Times)   What company should be the one liberals love the most, for being socially conscious, paying amazing wages, etc. That's right the Hobby Lobby   (nytimes.com) divider line 273
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2014-07-06 01:28:02 PM  
Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then
 
2014-07-06 01:45:29 PM  
I love hobby lobby. Always a blast at parties and is always in a good mood. Anytime you need a hand, hobby lobby is there. Just the other day I need gas for my lawn mower and who was there, hobby lobby. Even got the leaf blower out and helped clean up the extra clippings. We're going for lunch next week. I'm so excited
 
2014-07-06 01:50:39 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then


Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious
 
2014-07-06 01:53:31 PM  
I have never been to a Hobby Lobby. I'm not sure where one is. We go to Michael's for our crafting needs, which are admittedly few.
 
2014-07-06 02:00:49 PM  
It's somewhat ironic that a young, modern conservative columnist would not understand the concept of boycotting a company due to a single thing the company does, given that every week some conservative group is loudly agitating for a boycott of yet another organization for *something*.

The difference being that those conservative groups are boycotting companies for being decent to their fellow human beings, and "liberals" are boycotting Hobby Lobby because they're being assholes.

But hey, "lol liberals", right?
 
2014-07-06 02:03:46 PM  
Also the GIS for this gentleman is pretty entertaining.  He seems to have decided that smiling doesn't make him look enough like a hardened, serious journalist, so is going with the "bearded guy on an album cover for his metal band" look.
 
2014-07-06 02:13:19 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: young, modern conservative columnist


Who is giving advice to "liberals".

Hint:
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-06 02:18:04 PM  
Subby and the author misspelled 'Costco'. Or maybe it was 'Trader Joe's'.

Same awesome treatment, no religious derp.

/federal employee
//best benefits possible, living wage, great work-life balance
 
2014-07-06 02:32:45 PM  

ElLoco: Lionel Mandrake: Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then

Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious


Really? Even if fark is your only news source, it's hard to believe you missed the coverage of the recent supreme court decision in their favor, ruling that companies can have a religion, and so don't have to pay for things that contradict their religion, like contraception. It's been exceptionally controversial.
 
2014-07-06 02:36:10 PM  

Podmore: ElLoco: Lionel Mandrake: Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then

Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious

Really? Even if fark is your only news source, it's hard to believe you missed the coverage of the recent supreme court decision in their favor, ruling that companies can have a religion, and so don't have to pay for things that contradict their religion, like contraception. It's been exceptionally controversial.


sorry some of us that can't spend 24/7 reading websites miss the stuff that isn't frontpage/night news type important
 
2014-07-06 02:49:26 PM  
freethoughtblogs.com
 
2014-07-06 02:59:22 PM  
the girl on the left is a real 'merkin, the girl on the right is a terist!
 
2014-07-06 03:11:44 PM  

NickelP: sorry some of us that can't spend 24/7 reading websites miss the stuff that isn't frontpage/night news type important


You don't have to monitor Fark 24/7 to learn about a major Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to circumvent the law because birth control hurts their feelings.
 
2014-07-06 03:22:41 PM  
FUNTIME CRAFT PROJECTS!

Fashion your own affordable do-it-yourself IUD birth control out of macrame hanging hooks!  Knit yourself a diaphragm with this luxurious acrylic yarn!  Rubber cement - a dip and go alternative to condoms when the mister is hot to trot!

Want to re-purpose your diorama tools?  Well after a quick X-acto knife vasectomy and then your worries will be history and your small-scale recreation of the "shot heard round the world" will be shooting blanks!
 
2014-07-06 03:25:26 PM  

Di Atribe: NickelP: sorry some of us that can't spend 24/7 reading websites miss the stuff that isn't frontpage/night news type important

You don't have to monitor Fark 24/7 to learn about a major Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to circumvent the law because birth control hurts their feelings.


meh unless you work for hobby lobby who cares?  My company changed their retirement match, you don't see me flipping out on fark
 
2014-07-06 03:30:13 PM  
Ok, so now I have to "love" a company. Got it.


/my first crush
 
2014-07-06 03:30:18 PM  

ManateeGag: the girl on the left is a real 'merkin, the girl on the right is a terist!


The one one the left is going to go to Target to market; the other, to target a market.

Big difference.
 
2014-07-06 03:31:53 PM  

NickelP: Di Atribe: NickelP: sorry some of us that can't spend 24/7 reading websites miss the stuff that isn't frontpage/night news type important

You don't have to monitor Fark 24/7 to learn about a major Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to circumvent the law because birth control hurts their feelings.

meh unless you work for hobby lobby who cares?  My company changed their retirement match, you don't see me flipping out on fark


WELL since you asked.

First of all, we should all care when the SCOTUS declares that corporations can have religious beliefs. This wasn't JUST Hobby Lobby that is being allowed to circumvent the law. This is setting a precedent.

Second of all, the entire case was built on faulty science. The Morning After Pill & IUDs are not abortifacents & that has been proven repeatedly.

Thirdiddly do, your retirement match is not even close to the same thing as your boss deciding which medical decisions you're allowed to make. A closer comparison would be if your company changed your retirement match & then told you what you were allowed to spend that money on.

I'm not saying you MUST care, but don't be surprised when others do care.
 
2014-07-06 03:41:20 PM  

Podmore: ElLoco: Lionel Mandrake: Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then

Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious

Really? Even if fark is your only news source, it's hard to believe you missed the coverage of the recent supreme court decision in their favor, ruling that companies can have a religion, and so don't have to pay for things that contradict their religion, like contraception. It's been exceptionally controversial.


I'm familiar with that. I guess I'm missing the hypocritical BS part. Unless it's one of those two things that I mentioned. And while on the subject... why shouldn't private companies be able to 'have a religion,' as it were? Working at the place is entirely voluntary and they aren't under any federal mandate.
 
2014-07-06 03:50:18 PM  

BravadoGT: ManateeGag: the girl on the left is a real 'merkin, the girl on the right is a terist!

The one one the left is going to go to Target to market; the other, to target a market.

Big difference.


lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-07-06 04:40:44 PM  

Generation_D: [freethoughtblogs.com image 850x545]


Would it kill so called patriots to figure out the correct orientation to fly their flags vertically?  The stars always go on the top left.

/ It seems a little strange that they posted those on Twitter at the exact same time and had the exact same number of retweets and followers though...
 
2014-07-06 05:20:11 PM  
let me guess, a wall of autism from a literal neckbeard trying as hard as he can to miss the point?

yuuuuuup

static01.nyt.com

a face only a person in a fursuit could love
 
2014-07-06 05:23:37 PM  
Actually you're thinking of Costco and possibly Whole Foods.
 
2014-07-06 05:25:50 PM  

ElLoco: Lionel Mandrake: Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then

Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious


They also carried the types of birth control in their insurance plan in the past that they suddenly decided not to carry now because Jesus.
 
2014-07-06 05:28:17 PM  

ElLoco: Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious


Their healthcare plans already paid for all these forms of birth control in close to thirty states.  They only decided it was against their religion when their owners were convinced by a right wing PAC that they could use this to fight Obamacare.

That's what makes them hypocritical bullshiat artists.
 
2014-07-06 05:29:18 PM  

Mrtraveler01: ElLoco: Lionel Mandrake: Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then

Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious

They also carried the types of birth control in their insurance plan in the past that they suddenly decided not to carry now because Jesus.


That would be the thing that I was going to point out.
 
2014-07-06 05:29:57 PM  
I always shop at H.L. for supplies for making my homemade IUD's.
Thanks Hobby Lobby!
 
2014-07-06 05:31:03 PM  

ElLoco: Lionel Mandrake: Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then

Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious


Obamacare included a list of twenty contraceptives that employer-provider health insurances plans have to cover.  Hobby Lobby objected to four of these, stating that it would be a mortal sin for the corporation to allow employees access to murder-drugs on their own choice.

However, before Obamacare, Hobby Lobby, by it's own admission in the court documents it filed, admitted that before Obamacare it included those drugs in it's employee plans of its own accord.

Hobby Lobby sued the government because the government asked it to do something it had already been doing for years.  The whole case had nothing to do with "religious beliefs" and everything to do with anti-government zealotry.  The company basically whored out Christiantiy as a way to attack Obamacare.
 
2014-07-06 05:31:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Actually you're thinking of Costco and possibly Whole Foods.


Don't know about Whole Foods, but Trader Joe's is on the list,
 
2014-07-06 05:32:09 PM  

clkeagle: cameroncrazy1984: Actually you're thinking of Costco and possibly Whole Foods.

Don't know about Whole Foods, but Trader Joe's is on the list,


That could be the one I was thinking of. I love that place.
 
2014-07-06 05:32:33 PM  
Do the younger employees occasionally have to pleasure Bill Gothard?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/hobby-lobby-bill-gothard -i nstitute-basic-life-principles
 
2014-07-06 05:34:32 PM  

ElLoco: I'm familiar with that. I guess I'm missing the hypocritical BS part. Unless it's one of those two things that I mentioned. And while on the subject... why shouldn't private companies be able to 'have a religion,' as it were? Working at the place is entirely voluntary and they aren't under any federal mandate.


Well, let's take that thought a step further: Why should private companies with a religion have to pay taxes?  Why should private companies with a religion have to follow discrimination laws if their views mandate that they must discriminate? Why should private companies with a religion have to follow EPA laws if their views mandate that they can use the land how they see fit?  Why should private companies with a religion have to follow basic contract laws if their views mandate that they aren't allowed to make contracts with certain people?

You see how the ruling is a nice coat of oil on the downhill side of the mountain yet?
 
2014-07-06 05:35:07 PM  

Generation_D: [freethoughtblogs.com image 850x545]


Is...is that a real thing?
 
2014-07-06 05:35:29 PM  
Submitter is full of shiat. You know how I know? My fiance and our friends. She worked full time with no insurance and minimum wage for Hobby Lobby for over a year. Several of our friends still work there.
 
2014-07-06 05:36:07 PM  

ElLoco: Lionel Mandrake: Oh...I guess that makes all their hypocritical BS OK, then

Gonna play Devil's advocate here, I guess, and ask for some clarity on 'hypocritical BS.' The only thing I can find on Google is that they've invested retirement funds into packages that include companies that make birth control drugs/items, and that their stuff is made in China. Is that what all the rage is about?

/curious


That, and this moral objection to birth control is a new thing for them.  They had no problem with it until Obama/ACA,  Also, they still cover things like vasectomies and boner pills, which encourage immoral behavior just like birth control pills, IUDs, etc. (allegedly)  Somehow, procedures and medications that promote "sex without consequences" are OK if you're a man, but sinful /morally abhorrent if you are a woman.
 
2014-07-06 05:36:33 PM  
Liberals do not actually believe the things they claim to believe anyway.

The most altruistic organization on the face of the planet will be deemed by liberals to be akin to a Neo Nazi organization if they dare do anything except shovel money as quickly as possible towards pro-choice related causes. If we learned anything from the Komen business it's that you don't dare even consider for any reason not paying your protection money or the fact that you are a charity organization dedicated to battling cancer in women is meaningless: You're scum of the earth.

So should anyone be surprised that the completely irrational minds who think like that are losing their collective stuff over the fact that Hobby Lobby covers most major forms of birth control, just not what HL considers to be abortion? Not at all.

And you're not fooling anyone, in spite of all the lies and nonsense about ObamaCare, what liberals really want is to stick the abortion thing in your face and make you fund it through tax payer money. You are not aloud to just 'not support it', they want a world where you have no choice in the matter.

Which is amusing for a 'Pro-Choice' movement.
 
2014-07-06 05:38:58 PM  

randomjsa: If we learned anything from the Komen business it's that you don't dare even consider for any reason not paying your protection money or the fact that you are a charity organization dedicated to battling cancer in women is meaningless


Still trying to make this a thing I see...

randomjsa: And you're not fooling anyone, in spite of all the lies and nonsense about ObamaCare, what liberals really want is to stick the abortion thing in your face and make you fund it through tax payer money.


Oddly enough I haven't seen any liberals advocate that taxpayer money be spent on abortions.

Could it be that you're just full of shiat?
 
2014-07-06 05:40:19 PM  
Hobby Lobby was created by the government to provide a foil behind which people could rally. These people are now targets of this government.

When I left the US 13 years ago, there was no Hobby Lobby. There was a Michaels, of course. Hobby Lobby was created out of whole cloth and funded by the government for exactly the purpose they are serving now.
 
2014-07-06 05:41:03 PM  
It's settled law now. Nothing can be done.
 
2014-07-06 05:42:47 PM  
Of course they can pay their American employees well. Their suppliers don't pay the little brown people who make the baubles very much at all.
 
2014-07-06 05:43:07 PM  

randomjsa: the fact that Hobby Lobby covers most major forms of birth control, just not what HL considers to be abortion?


If the conscious individual person known by the name "Hobby Lobby" doesn't have a medical degree and license, it doesn't get to "consider" anything to be abortion. It gets to listen to the actual medical community about the definitions of medical terminology.
 
2014-07-06 05:43:27 PM  
The thing that bothers me the most about this is that Hobby Lobby is not a hobby store. Its a crafts store like Michaels.

As for the article...a company with religious owners does good things sometimes so we must give them carte blanche...Thats what I got out of it.
 
2014-07-06 05:43:29 PM  

Erebus1954: It's settled law now. Nothing can be done.


Dammit Poe.
 
2014-07-06 05:45:13 PM  

randomjsa: If we learned anything from the Komen business it's that you don't dare even consider for any reason not paying your protection money or the fact that you are a charity organization dedicated to battling cancer in women is meaningless: You're scum of the earth.


Oh good! I love revisionist history to fit an agenda. You mean the woman who was ousted from the Susan G. Koman board of directors for using the charity as a mouthpiece to give legitimacy to the lie about "abortions increasing the rate of breast cancer", and attempting to ascribe positions to the organization they did not support as a whole?

That woman?

randomjsa: And you're not fooling anyone, in spite of all the lies and nonsense about ObamaCare, what liberals really want is to stick the abortion thing in your face and make you fund it through tax payer money. You are not aloud to just 'not support it', they want a world where you have no choice in the matter.


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Another driveby threadshiat, brought to you by  randomjsa

Erebus1954:
It's settled law now. Nothing can be done.

You failed civics, didn't you?
 
2014-07-06 05:46:02 PM  

NickelP: Di Atribe: NickelP: sorry some of us that can't spend 24/7 reading websites miss the stuff that isn't frontpage/night news type important

You don't have to monitor Fark 24/7 to learn about a major Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to circumvent the law because birth control hurts their feelings.

meh unless you work for hobby lobby who cares?  My company changed their retirement match, you don't see me flipping out on fark


Nope.  See you moving those goalposts though.  Must be a nice tractor you have to move em that quickly.
 
2014-07-06 05:47:11 PM  

BravadoGT: ManateeGag: the girl on the left is a real 'merkin, the girl on the right is a terist!

The one one the left is going to go to Target to market; the other, to target a market.

Big difference.


No, you see, to fedora wearing neckbeards, Christians are totally the same as Muslims and are just as violent and extreme.
 
2014-07-06 05:47:12 PM  

420Gabriel: The thing that bothers me the most about this is that Hobby Lobby is not a hobby store. Its a crafts store like Michaels.

As for the article...a company with religious owners does good things sometimes so we must give them carte blanche...Thats what I got out of it.


Beads and Frames and Such Lobby doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
2014-07-06 05:47:53 PM  
socially conscious

Admittedly, it's hard to hate what you aren't aware of.

FTFA: Its do-gooder policies also include donating 10 percent of its profits to charity and giving all employees Sunday off.

They're a Christian business.  Is it supposed to be impressive that they close on Sundays?  Also, the 10% figure is bullshiat.  A quick look at their donation page shows that they give a 10% discount to charities, they don't donate 10% of their profits.  It's a farking promotion, not a donation.  I get better "donations" in the mail.


FTFA:  conflict between religious liberty and cultural liberalism

The old "not letting me force my religion on others is religious oppression" argument.  Fark it, I give up.  The author is an idiot.
 
2014-07-06 05:48:04 PM  
Erebus1954: It's settled law now. Nothing can be done.

You failed civics, didn't you?



------> The Joke
(-_-) Your Head
 
2014-07-06 05:49:03 PM  

420Gabriel: The thing that bothers me the most about this is that Hobby Lobby is not a hobby store. Its a crafts store like Michaels.

As for the article...a company with religious owners does good things sometimes so we must give them carte blanche...Thats what I got out of it.


The thing I can't get over is that the store owner doesn't believe in barcodes so everything has to be done manually.

It's not because of religious reasons, it's more the folksy "people will take more pride in their work, etc." garbage.

I mean it sounds nice in theory but it's fundamentally wrong.
 
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