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(Think Progress)   Kids raised by same-sex couples are healthier and happier than kids raised by heterosexual couples or single parents   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 218
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2014-07-06 12:07:54 PM
Because one group has to really want it and work really hard to become parents and appreciate the opportunity and don't take it for granted.

As opposed to the other group that have a lot of people who become parents when they super pinky swear they'll pull out so there's no need to wear a condom. Just this one time.
 
2014-07-06 12:19:56 PM
DRTFA, but same sex couples (gay men in particular), tend to have higher income.  The correlation is likely between income and successful child rearing, since there is a positive relationship between the two.
 
2014-07-06 12:20:15 PM
As someone that was raised by homosexual wolves, I have mixed feelings about this.
 
2014-07-06 12:29:47 PM
You mean that couples who worked really hard to have kids, to adopt, and had to go through a ton of hoops, generally WANT those kids around, beat the averages of straight couples who may or may not have had a faulty birth control issue and gotten pregnant before they were ready?

You don't say?

Kids raised in homes with parents who are together, and who want them around generally do better. Straight. Gay. Lesbian. It doesn't matter. The key is stability and the love. Rather than focusing on the sexuality of folks, maybe we should be focusing on making sure that folks have kids when they're ready to have kids, so that they are likewise stable and able to give their all to parenting? Just a thought.
 
2014-07-06 12:31:31 PM
No gay couple has ever got really drunk one night and woken up the next morning to discover that they've accidentally completed all of the background checks and paperwork required to adopt a kid.
 
2014-07-06 12:37:46 PM

unyon: DRTFA, but same sex couples (gay men in particular), tend to have higher income.  The correlation is likely between income and successful child rearing, since there is a positive relationship between the two.


You should've read TFA. They controlled for income. I guess the real correlation is between people who say they DRTFA and making incorrect assumptions about the article.
 
2014-07-06 12:59:50 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No gay couple has ever got really drunk one night and woken up the next morning to discover that they've accidentally completed all of the background checks,  bribery of foreign officials, bribes "adoption fees" to the agency, hiding of their status as partners from the agency and a foreign government if need be, trips to foreign countries, possible skirting of anti-gay-adoption laws in their state, and paperwork required to adopt a kid.


FTFY. Adopting when gay is tricky at best and illegal in some places.  The couples I know who have adopted have done so from foreign countries, with one partner waiting in the hotel for the other (higher earning) to complete the sale adoption process.  They can't reveal they are partnered.  The higher earning partner has to adopt as a single parent.  For women, that means proving they can support a child and enduring the "come back when you're married, it'll be easier" routine.  For men, it means proving they're not buying a child to molest.
 
2014-07-06 01:07:59 PM
Yeah, Australian children.
darrenlittle.com
 
2014-07-06 01:21:33 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No gay couple has ever got really drunk one night and woken up the next morning to discover that they've accidentally completed all of the background checks and paperwork required to adopt a kid.


I wish I could funny this.
 
2014-07-06 01:39:13 PM
I believe the above comments about a gay couple having a better environment and more interest in the child.

But there is no way that kid doesn't get teased like crazy in school. At least he'll learn a good right cross.
 
2014-07-06 01:43:25 PM

mr_a: I believe the above comments about a gay couple having a better environment and more interest in the child.

But there is no way that kid doesn't get teased like crazy in school. At least he'll learn a good right cross.


Not saying it never happens, but plenty of schools and other parents won't tolerate that anymore.

The times. They are a'changing.
 
2014-07-06 02:02:13 PM

mr_a: I believe the above comments about a gay couple having a better environment and more interest in the child.

But there is no way that kid doesn't get teased like crazy in school. At least he'll learn a good right cross.


Two of my daughter's best friends are twin sisters, raised by gay dads. The girls were all in marching band together and the sisters are happy, well adjusted, talented and creative. And their dads throw the best parties for the band kids. I don't think they were teased much but this is California. I didn't know them until the girls were in high school though; lord knows middle school kids are horrible little animals who should be locked away in a box until their freshman year.
 
2014-07-06 02:04:46 PM
TROLLLLOLOLOLOL

/ happier is subjective, also a squishy word
 
2014-07-06 02:05:35 PM
Yeah, having a female or male role model is completely pointless. There's actually no point in a young boy having a male role model. Two lesbians will do the job equally as well.
 
2014-07-06 02:07:11 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No gay couple has ever got really drunk one night and woken up the next morning to discover that they've accidentally completed all of the background checks and paperwork required to adopt a kid.


Welllllll, there was that ONE time. In Vegas. At a Fark party.
 
2014-07-06 02:08:07 PM
Turns out it's called the "gay agenda" because it makes people happier.
 
2014-07-06 02:09:07 PM
Too bad the report didn't break out heterosexual couples and single parents from the general population as well. My guess is that single parent households fared the worst (income issues) while heterosexual couples fared the best (more mainstream = less societal friction). I think someone has an agenda, and they don't want to be compared less favorably.

NTTAWWT
 
2014-07-06 02:09:17 PM

evoke: Yeah, having a female or male role model is completely pointless. There's actually no point in a young boy having a male role model. Two lesbians will do the job equally as well.


Yeah, it's better to have some foster parents as a role model instead...if they're lucky enough to get that.
 
2014-07-06 02:09:58 PM

evoke: Yeah, having a female or male role model is completely pointless. There's actually no point in a young boy having a male role model. Two lesbians will do the job equally as well.


My brother's friend had a butch mom who did home repair and helped my dad fix our lawnmower.
 
2014-07-06 02:11:07 PM

Kuta: Too bad the report didn't break out heterosexual couples and single parents from the general population as well. My guess is that single parent households fared the worst (income issues) while heterosexual couples fared the best (more mainstream = less societal friction). I think someone has an agenda, and they don't want to be compared less favorably.

NTTAWWT


You hit the nail on the head. But the real lesson to take out of this is that it doesn't matter if you have two moms or two dads, if they love and support the child and have a stable enough income to do that, they'll be just as fine as a child raised by a homosexual couple.

Which completely contradicts the narrative the anti-gay crowd likes to use to justify being against gays  marrying and adopting children.
 
2014-07-06 02:11:26 PM
But what about single gay parents or divorcé(e) parents raising kids alone or in joint custody?

/didn't read article
 
2014-07-06 02:14:30 PM
According to one study from a single group of researchers... Absolutely meaningless.
 
2014-07-06 02:14:44 PM
This reminds me of the time I accidentally walked in on my two dads making love....
 
2014-07-06 02:15:18 PM
Shame people who have a problem with other people being gay generally give zero farks about whether or not kids are happy.
 
2014-07-06 02:16:49 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No gay couple has ever got really drunk one night and woken up the next morning to discover that they've accidentally completed all of the background checks and paperwork required to adopt a kid.


Ok, now that's funny.
 
2014-07-06 02:17:38 PM

hubiestubert: You mean that couples who worked really hard to have kids, to adopt, and had to go through a ton of hoops, generally WANT those kids around, beat the averages of straight couples who may or may not have had a faulty birth control issue and gotten pregnant before they were ready?

You don't say?

Kids raised in homes with parents who are together, and who want them around generally do better. Straight. Gay. Lesbian. It doesn't matter. The key is stability and the love. Rather than focusing on the sexuality of folks, maybe we should be focusing on making sure that folks have kids when they're ready to have kids, so that they are likewise stable and able to give their all to parenting? Just a thought.


Are you a genius? Because that was some smart reasoning right there.
 
2014-07-06 02:20:35 PM
So the kids are gayer?
 
2014-07-06 02:20:48 PM
Here's the deal: kids raised by two healthy, loving, involved parents are going to do better--on average--than kids raised in other circumstances. Yes, you can find instances of kids raised in terrible circumstances who also turned out fine, and kids raised in loving two-parent households who went off the rails. That's why I said, "on average".

The gender and sexuality of the parents is not really relevant. Think Progress just wants it to be relevant in order to make a political point.
 
2014-07-06 02:21:07 PM

JesusJuice: According to one study from a single group of researchers... Absolutely meaningless.


Agreed.

Further the sample size (500 children) is so statistically insignificant and under such a short period of time that it's utter bull.

Meanwhile a multi year study that surveyed 15,000 (yes, 300 times larger sample) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610  found the exact opposite.

Guess it helps when you trim down or massage the sample till you get the result that you want eh?
 
2014-07-06 02:22:02 PM
How about this - kids raised by parents who can't naturally have kids together and so are willing to go to unusual measures to raise a child together are happier than kids born to parents who might not have wanted them/weren't ready to have them.
 
2014-07-06 02:22:15 PM
I'd like to see what the results are for adopted children in general. I think they'd be eerily similar.
 
2014-07-06 02:23:06 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No gay couple has ever got really drunk one night and woken up the next morning to discover that they've accidentally completed all of the background checks and paperwork required to adopt a kid.


I thought that was a Modern Family episode.
 
2014-07-06 02:24:28 PM
Is that before or after you remove the straight parents who leave their kids in hot cars as statistical outliers.
 
2014-07-06 02:25:47 PM

Bell-fan: JesusJuice: According to one study from a single group of researchers... Absolutely meaningless.

Agreed.

Further the sample size (500 children) is so statistically insignificant and under such a short period of time that it's utter bull.

Meanwhile a multi year study that surveyed 15,000 (yes, 300 times larger sample) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610  found the exact opposite.

Guess it helps when you trim down or massage the sample till you get the result that you want eh?


Ah yes, the Regnerus study that didn't even study same-sex couples at all.
 
2014-07-06 02:26:27 PM
So the argument against gay marriage and adoption was that - by the statistics they presented - harmed children, so there shouldn't be any gay marriage to protect the children. By that logic should we not outlaw heterosexual marriage now? All kids should be raised by gay parents. To allow straight people a chance at raising children is tantamount to child abuse when a better, gayer option is now available.
 
2014-07-06 02:26:41 PM
I'm not saying it isn't true, but I doubt there is enough data to make that claim - yet.
 
2014-07-06 02:27:01 PM
315 couples? Pretty small sample size, when compared to the millions of families in the general population. The six per cent difference they found is within the "margin of error" for such a survey.

Which probably means that there's no real difference between these kids and any other children.
 
2014-07-06 02:27:04 PM

Bell-fan: Guess it helps when you trim down or massage the sample till you get the result that you want eh?


Yes, it also helps when you're a right wing Christian who's happy to openly acknowledge deciding on the results you want because of your faith before you conduct your research
 
2014-07-06 02:27:27 PM

iheartscotch: DammitIForgotMyLogin: No gay couple has ever got really drunk one night and woken up the next morning to discover that they've accidentally completed all of the background checks and paperwork required to adopt a kid.

Welllllll, there was that ONE time. In Vegas. At a Fark party.


Doglover *still* calls you Dad, I hear.
 
2014-07-06 02:27:43 PM
Coming from Think Progress so I don't put too much stock in this "study". Before you get your panties in a twist, I'd put the same amount of stock in a fundie family first study that says the opposite.
 
2014-07-06 02:28:59 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: No gay couple has ever got really drunk one night and woken up the next morning to discover that they've accidentally completed all of the background checks and paperwork required to adopt a kid.


This has Collegehumor or Funnyordie skit written all over it. And I mean that in a good way.
 
2014-07-06 02:29:00 PM

Bell-fan: JesusJuice: According to one study from a single group of researchers... Absolutely meaningless.

Agreed.

Further the sample size (500 children) is so statistically insignificant and under such a short period of time that it's utter bull.

Meanwhile a multi year study that surveyed 15,000 (yes, 300 times larger sample) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610  found the exact opposite.

Guess it helps when you trim down or massage the sample till you get the result that you want eh?


You don't know what those words mean. Stop using them,.
 
2014-07-06 02:29:04 PM

Cybernetic: Here's the deal: kids raised by two healthy, loving, involved parents are going to do better--on average--than kids raised in other circumstances. Yes, you can find instances of kids raised in terrible circumstances who also turned out fine, and kids raised in loving two-parent households who went off the rails. That's why I said, "on average".

The gender and sexuality of the parents is not really relevant. Think Progress just wants it to be relevant in order to make a political point.


They're attempting to fight the false, damaging assumption made by less intelligent and accepting members of society that children raised by homosexual parents are maladjusted, confused, broken individuals.  If you want to say they're "just making a political point", enjoy.  But that greatly oversimplifies and incorrectly colors the point.
 
2014-07-06 02:29:08 PM
Done in one.

/ Focus on your own damn family.
 
2014-07-06 02:30:19 PM

bingethinker: 315 couples? Pretty small sample size, when compared to the millions of families in the general population. The six per cent difference they found is within the "margin of error" for such a survey.

Which probably means that there's no real difference between these kids and any other children.


Not really. Do you know anything about doing research?
 
2014-07-06 02:31:23 PM

mr_a: I believe the above comments about a gay couple having a better environment and more interest in the child.

But there is no way that kid doesn't get teased like crazy in school. At least he'll learn a good right cross.


Or, at least some good slapping skills.
 
2014-07-06 02:33:13 PM
As an outlier I dispute this
 
2014-07-06 02:33:22 PM
You know who else was raised by straight parents?
 
2014-07-06 02:33:50 PM
cause all they listen to are Broadway show tunes, no heavy metal
 
2014-07-06 02:34:18 PM

EkimProx: I'd like to see what the results are for adopted children in general. I think they'd be eerily similar.


That's the whole problem with the study. Instead of comparing the surveys from homosexual couples to adopted children of heterosexuals they compared it to the general population. There's no valid control group.
 
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