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(Fox News)   Amateur historians solve 170-year-old mystery by discovering the exact site of a lost Seminole Indian War fort in the Everglades, start new mystery of an article about Florida that doesn't deserve the Florida tag   (foxnews.com) divider line 52
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2014-07-06 08:48:34 PM
I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.
 
2014-07-06 09:09:33 PM
Yeah, well, a seminole is better than no nole at all.
 
2014-07-06 09:14:12 PM
Croatoan
 
2014-07-06 09:16:11 PM
Heh. Semen 'ole.
 
2014-07-06 09:20:47 PM
Florida always deserves the Florida - for good or ill.  You are happy to make fun of them and reluctant to admire them.

Was it perhaps you were touched as a child by a milkman wearing crocodile-skin boots?
 
2014-07-06 09:21:11 PM
Isn't this also Bobby Bowden's birthplace?
 
2014-07-06 09:28:49 PM
Florida has been surprisingly quiet for a holiday weekend. Maybe the crazy drank themselves into a weekend-long coma.
 
2014-07-06 09:29:02 PM

K3rmy: Florida always deserves the Florida - for good or ill.  You are happy to make fun of them and reluctant to admire them.

Was it perhaps you were touched as a child by a milkman wearing crocodile-skin boots?


Yes but I doubt the boots made him do it. Would it somehow be better if he was wearing clown shoes?
 
2014-07-06 09:30:50 PM

Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.


Didn't realize any Indians were Jewish.
 
2014-07-06 09:33:14 PM

Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.


It was the second Seminole Indian War, and the fort was used during said war.

/I was confused at first too
//who knew there were two Seminole Wars?
 
2014-07-06 09:33:20 PM

K3rmy: Florida always deserves the Florida - for good or ill.  You are happy to make fun of them and reluctant to admire them.

Was it perhaps you were touched as a child by a milkman wearing crocodile-skin boots?


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-06 09:41:20 PM
Three amateur historians believe they have discovered the exact site of a lost Seminole Indian War fort

People believe a lot of things. Many of them are not true.
 
2014-07-06 09:46:14 PM
Congrats, guys!
Now they'll return to work tomorrow and co-workers will be blissfully ignorant of their accomplishment (except maybe the NPS guy, but only if it's his region or worksite).....
 
2014-07-06 09:50:22 PM

doomjesse: K3rmy: Florida always deserves the Florida - for good or ill.  You are happy to make fun of them and reluctant to admire them.

Was it perhaps you were touched as a child by a milkman wearing crocodile-skin boots?

Yes but I doubt the boots made him do it. Would it somehow be better if he was wearing clown shoes?


For your information, it was a door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesman and he was, in fact, wearing clown shoes. At first I thought he just had really big feet, but it was part of his ruse to "get his foot in the door," which he took much more literally than most. But indeed, the footwear is not the point of the story, it's the touching. And he failed to touch me - flat out refused. To this day, I am scarred by this rejection...
 
2014-07-06 09:54:51 PM

doomjesse: K3rmy: Florida always deserves the Florida - for good or ill.  You are happy to make fun of them and reluctant to admire them.

Was it perhaps you were touched as a child by a milkman wearing crocodile-skin boots?

Yes but I doubt the boots made him do it. Would it somehow be better if he was wearing clown shoes?


Alligator skin clown shoes perhaps? They are the official footwear of Florida.
 
2014-07-06 09:58:09 PM

Prey4reign: Isn't this also Bobby Bowden's birthplace?


John McKay
 
2014-07-06 09:59:35 PM
 "I'd like to see a monument placed there for the people who served in that godforsaken location 170 years ago. Their story needs to be told."

Who is going to see it?  It took you a year to find the spot.
 
2014-07-06 10:01:23 PM

CruJones: //who knew there were two Seminole Wars?


Well, they only got half done in the first one and then the other half in the second one.  Two seminoles equals a wholenole.
 
2014-07-06 10:06:12 PM
It does so deserve the Florida tag. I mean, how do you lose a fort?
 
2014-07-06 10:06:52 PM

spamdog: Heh. Semen 'ole.


Considering the street I live on ends in 'ole I'm getting a kick...
 
2014-07-06 10:09:21 PM
Joan Rivers used to vacation there in her 30s. It was just a matter of askimg the right person.
 
2014-07-06 10:10:42 PM
Why did Jupiter lose the "Fort" while the others kept it?
 
2014-07-06 10:17:16 PM

wildcardjack: Joan Rivers used to vacation there in her 30s. It was just a matter of askimg the right person.


It was still active then.
 
2014-07-06 10:20:27 PM

Billy Liar: Congrats, guys!
Now they'll return to work tomorrow and co-workers will be blissfully ignorant of their accomplishment (except maybe the NPS guy, but only if it's his region or worksite).....


The local NPS guy will not get to go except just to visit, they'll call in SEAC and two or three people will get a real fun job for a few months.
 
2014-07-06 10:21:19 PM

wambu: Why did Jupiter lose the "Fort" while the others kept it?


Cause Jupiter is out of this world, man.
 
2014-07-06 10:23:29 PM

Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.


i3.kym-cdn.com

They were called the Seminole Wars. So yes, a fort from that time would be a Seminole War fort.
1837 would be the Second Seminole war.

get an education
 
2014-07-06 10:24:41 PM

CruJones: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

It was the second Seminole Indian War, and the fort was used during said war.

/I was confused at first too
//who knew there were two Seminole Wars?


www.starburst2005.com

That's who.
 
2014-07-06 10:24:57 PM

spamdog: Heh. Semen 'ole.


Semen Hole is next to Pinellas Park
 
2014-07-06 10:25:38 PM

Kevin72: CruJones: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

It was the second Seminole Indian War, and the fort was used during said war.

/I was confused at first too
//who knew there were two Seminole Wars?

[www.starburst2005.com image 456x188]

That's who.


There were three
 
2014-07-06 10:26:53 PM
Heh, check out the comments.  Three until you get to one complaining or trolling about Obama.
 
2014-07-06 10:27:19 PM

cretinbob: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 303x332]

They were called the Seminole Wars. So yes, a fort from that time would be a Seminole War fort.
1837 would be the Second Seminole war.

get an education


No. You're retarded because you still don't get why the headline is ambiguous. Should I explain it?
 
2014-07-06 10:37:40 PM

cretinbob: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 303x332]

They were called the Seminole Wars. So yes, a fort from that time would be a Seminole War fort.
1837 would be the Second Seminole war.

get an education


I didn't really want to call you a moron. It was a reaction to you inferring that I was one by missing my point. Anyway, you have an excellent link pretty much explaining the genesis of Fark's favorite state. Lots of backstabbing, betrayal, backroom dealing, and banishment.
 
2014-07-06 10:41:12 PM
The ignorance is almost painful, even for Fark.

Most archaeology breakthroughs are related to post-holes.  Those are how you measure walls or buildings and barricades.  Go to another very well-known Anti-Seminole Fort in Fort Meade, and these same methods have measured out exactly the size of the fort and grounds.  Yay for science.  And they made it a City Park.  Good for them, too.  It really is a historic monument.  There is a huge history of the Seminole wars that nobody but born-and-bred crackers and Seminoles will ever care about.

And most Seminoles are FAR more interested in Video Poker, Pachinko, and tax-less cigarettes.
 
2014-07-06 10:42:52 PM

bronyaur1: Yeah, well, a seminole is better than no nole at all.


I'll say.

a.espncdn.com

RIP, Chuck Noll. Having no Noll at all does suck.
 
2014-07-06 11:11:13 PM

fusillade762: Three amateur historians believe they have discovered the exact site of a lost Seminole Indian War fort

People believe a lot of things. Many of them are not true.


Florida is rather weird like that; few months ago I was digging up some waterlines in my property, I found early 1920s railroad equipment, even some soda bottles from 1940s - I did some research and it seems USAF and British fighter Pilots were stationed here; 5 of the bottles I have are from 1940-1942, seems they were made by the Duraglas company. Amazing they somehow survived all these years untouched in the ground.

Unfortunately I won't be digging anymore, my "artifacts" are worth pure crap on ebay, no sense to dig anymore.
 
2014-07-06 11:17:31 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

Didn't realize any Indians were Jewish.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-06 11:18:07 PM

SpdrJay: Croatoan



Solid reference, and really early in the thread. I'm pleased.
 
2014-07-06 11:24:04 PM
I know that clearing down in Big Cypress. Not too far off the Tamiami trail. But isolated.

Many folks in this area have long expected Fort Harrell would be found there. The Seminole Wars aren't considered "interesting" archaeology, so there hasn't been a lot of work done.
That being said, yes, the site at Ft Meade is very well taken care of, and worth a visit if you like that sort of thing... It's about 50 miles up the road from my ranch. We live in the Boot Heel Swamp/NW Venus area.

To answer poster wambu, Jupiter township actually extended all the way down to where Miami now sits. When it became a township the "Fort" was dropped. Miami was Fort Dallas in the late 19th Century.

/native
//loves me some FL history
 
2014-07-06 11:35:08 PM
Thanks, subby, for clearing up that the fort was from the Seminole Indian War and not the Seminole Pakistani War.
 
2014-07-06 11:37:44 PM
arkansized:

To answer poster wambu, Jupiter township actually extended all the way down to where Miami now sits. When it became a township the "Fort" was dropped. Miami was Fort Dallas in the late 19th Century.

/native
//loves me some FL history


Thanks. I used to have a winter place in Ft. Meyers. Never knew until now why it had that name.
 
2014-07-07 12:06:21 AM
wambu:

Thanks. I used to have a winter place in Ft. Meyers. Never knew until now why it had that name.

There are a number of little communities with "Fort" in their names...like Ft. Ogden (Not too far north of Ft Myers). They are all Seminole War relics.
Interesting sidebar...a Tequesta Indian site was recently located in downtown Miami. Right in the spot where developers want to build another highrise. The city asked the archaeologists to come in and certify the area was definitely of the pre-colonization period.
They did. All that was left of the indigenous structure were the post holes, which were dug down into the limestone, just like the Fort Harrell site. I guess there is going to be a pavilion built over the rock, or something...I certainly hope so. We have sadly neglected the wonderful history all around us in SoFla.
 
2014-07-07 12:11:20 AM
Misconduc:

Unfortunately I won't be digging anymore, my "artifacts" are worth pure crap on ebay, no sense to dig anymore.

Think about it: It wasn't that long ago. Might as well invest in Beanie Babies.
 
2014-07-07 12:27:22 AM

CruJones: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

It was the second Seminole Indian War, and the fort was used during said war.

/I was confused at first too
//who knew there were two Seminole Wars?


You forgot about the seminal Seminole war?!
 
2014-07-07 12:29:08 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

Didn't realize any Indians were Jewish.




There might've been some in Arizona, if you believe the Calalus theory. I like the idea, but the evidence doesn't make any legit sense to me...
 
2014-07-07 01:23:44 AM

RatMaster999: ArcadianRefugee: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

Didn't realize any Indians were Jewish.

There might've been some in Arizona, if you believe the Calalus theory. I like the idea, but the evidence doesn't make any legit sense to me...


The evidence is there. The Dark Ages reslly were not that dark. The ten commandments typically were represented in Roman numerals. Your article certainly has a lot of historic relations.
 
2014-07-07 02:12:48 AM

CruJones: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

It was the second Seminole Indian War, and the fort was used during said war.

/I was confused at first too
//who knew there were two Seminole Wars?


There were not two Seminole wars. There were three Seminole wars.
 
2014-07-07 02:45:38 AM

Tom-Servo: CruJones: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

It was the second Seminole Indian War, and the fort was used during said war.

/I was confused at first too
//who knew there were two Seminole Wars?

There were not two Seminole wars. There were three Seminole wars.


i.ytimg.com
 
2014-07-07 10:11:08 AM

arkansized: I know that clearing down in Big Cypress. Not too far off the Tamiami trail. But isolated.

Many folks in this area have long expected Fort Harrell would be found there. The Seminole Wars aren't considered "interesting" archaeology, so there hasn't been a lot of work done.
That being said, yes, the site at Ft Meade is very well taken care of, and worth a visit if you like that sort of thing... It's about 50 miles up the road from my ranch. We live in the Boot Heel Swamp/NW Venus area.

To answer poster wambu, Jupiter township actually extended all the way down to where Miami now sits. When it became a township the "Fort" was dropped. Miami was Fort Dallas in the late 19th Century.

/native
//loves me some FL history


Then I bet you've read the book A Land Remembered.

/really late to the thread but I love that book
//lives in southish Florida
 
2014-07-07 11:43:55 AM
I feel like subby went off on a tangent and refuse to comment on the targeted article subject.
 
2014-07-07 12:22:38 PM

Kevin72: RatMaster999: ArcadianRefugee: Kevin72: I do believe that was an anti-Seminole Indian war fort. I do not believe that the Seminole Indians were using it.

Didn't realize any Indians were Jewish.

There might've been some in Arizona, if you believe the Calalus theory. I like the idea, but the evidence doesn't make any legit sense to me...

The evidence is there. The Dark Ages reslly were not that dark. The ten commandments typically were represented in Roman numerals. Your article certainly has a lot of historic relations.


There's a whole lot of crazy in there. It's like every single culture which has ever had a myth or a conspiracy theory attached to it passed through this "Calalus" place in the southwest, based on some poorly-made lead fakes that were buried in the desert by a Mexican boy who worked lead sculpture and had some foreign-language books.
 
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