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(Chicago Trib)   There is a marijuana shortage, and it seems that Washington and Colorado will learn what drug dealers have known for years: it's dangerous to run out of product, and drug addicts will go to extreme lengths to get their fix   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 162
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2014-07-06 10:51:02 AM  
$20-$30/gram?

You are not helping. This bullzhit is even more stupid than prohibition.
Can we get an adult in here?
 
2014-07-06 11:14:31 AM  
My god.
Throngs of stoners jonesing for a buzz will take to the streets like a plague of locusts, smoking up anything in sight.
Bar your doors, and board up your windows, people.
The hippie apocalypse is nigh.
 
2014-07-06 11:15:25 AM  
You're not kidding. I even smoked a cigarette yesterday because I had no weed. A CIGARETTE.
 
2014-07-06 11:22:12 AM  
It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.
 
2014-07-06 11:25:28 AM  
My cousin is the biggest stoner I've ever seen. You know what she does when she runs out of weed? She takes a nap.
 
2014-07-06 11:47:47 AM  

bearded clamorer: My god.
Throngs of stoners jonesing for a buzz will take to the streets like a plague of locusts, smoking up anything in sight.
Bar your doors, and board up your windows, people.
The hippie apocalypse

Hippapocalypse is nigh.

better?
 
2014-07-06 11:49:12 AM  
Wait!
I thought this whole dealeo was about Medicine for the suffering children and stuff..
 
2014-07-06 11:50:23 AM  

snocone: bearded clamorer: My god.
Throngs of stoners jonesing for a buzz will take to the streets like a plague of locusts, smoking up anything in sight.
Bar your doors, and board up your windows, people.
The hippie apocalypseHippapocalypse is nigh.

better?


Stonehgeddon might be more apropos...
 
2014-07-06 12:34:56 PM  
I was promised it wasn't addictive
 
2014-07-06 01:02:32 PM  

hubiestubert: It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.


There's sure to be some quid pro quo as legalization spreads, as well as states testing the limits on what they can charge in taxes, but that's OK IMO if it leads to legalization spreading faster.

Getting the foot in the door is the most important thing here, and if takes that prospects of big profits for moneyed interests and state coffers, so be it.  Once it's legal in most places there will be plenty of time to argue what the proper price point should be.
 
2014-07-06 01:12:16 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I was promised it wasn't addictive


And a headline on Fark is enough to make you believe that it is?
 
2014-07-06 01:17:03 PM  
"drug addicts"
 
2014-07-06 01:17:34 PM  
I can almost see Subby clutching some pearls while submitting this headline.
 
2014-07-06 01:17:34 PM  
I'm not familiar with the particulars of the law- is growing a few plants allowed, or is it not allowed but also not enforced, or are they busting growers?
 
2014-07-06 01:17:45 PM  

parahaps: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I was promised it wasn't addictive

And a headline on Fark is enough to make you believe that it is?


Way to pee on the jokefire.
 
2014-07-06 01:18:17 PM  
yeah i call BS on this one you mean to tell me all those guerrilla growers are out as well? if not then thats where your so called "addicts" are going to turn to and for probably cheaper than the taxed stuff
 
2014-07-06 01:18:47 PM  
When I got laid off from my job, I couldn't afford to buy weed.  You know what happened?  I quit smoking weed.   *shrug*
 
2014-07-06 01:19:30 PM  
The assholes on the liquor board created a deliberate shortfall in Washington and have done everything in their power to make this worse than the public liquor sales fiasco. It's like they don't like tax money.

Thankfully, the medical dispensaries haven't been affected.
 
2014-07-06 01:20:06 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: hubiestubert: It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.

There's sure to be some quid pro quo as legalization spreads, as well as states testing the limits on what they can charge in taxes, but that's OK IMO if it leads to legalization spreading faster.

Getting the foot in the door is the most important thing here, and if takes that prospects of big profits for moneyed interests and state coffers, so be it.  Once it's legal in most places there will be plenty of time to argue what the proper price point should be.


Also, those of us who don't *really* care that much because we still look down on marijuana have no reason to believe claims of "teh price is too high, ebil gubbmint!"
 
2014-07-06 01:20:36 PM  

miniflea: I'm not familiar with the particulars of the law- is growing a few plants allowed, or is it not allowed but also not enforced, or are they busting growers?


IT's kind of messed up but in Washington, if you have a medical card you're still protected under that set of laws for growing. If you are a rec user, no grow at any time currently.
 
2014-07-06 01:21:29 PM  
Didn't seem to be any shortage when I was in Denver last week...

Ah, but don't worry your pretty little head.  The Invisible Hand of the Free Market will solve this issue like it does every other problem.  Prices will go up temporarily until new suppliers enter the market stream, at which point prices will fall.

As for Washington state, they done farked it up big time.  You'd almost think they wanted it to fail or something.
 
2014-07-06 01:21:34 PM  
I suppose somewhere there is someone "addicted" to marijuana but I've smoked for 3+ decades, except for one calendar year (2005 I think) when on a gentleman's bet I went the entire year without one smoke. And while not smoking, I continued to hang out with my friends who did smoke and had the opportunity to smoke pretty much every day, but I chose not to.

My main "withdrawal" symptom was that I wasn't high.

Obviously different people have different levels of tolerance and psychological addiction, addiction, but I am not really a person of excessive willpower. It's just that pot is not in the least physically addictive, and subby is either a troll or a moron, perhaps both.
 
2014-07-06 01:21:44 PM  

TheBigJerk: TuteTibiImperes: hubiestubert: It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.

There's sure to be some quid pro quo as legalization spreads, as well as states testing the limits on what they can charge in taxes, but that's OK IMO if it leads to legalization spreading faster.

Getting the foot in the door is the most important thing here, and if takes that prospects of big profits for moneyed interests and state coffers, so be it.  Once it's legal in most places there will be plenty of time to argue what the proper price point should be.

Also, those of us who don't *really* care that much because we still look down on marijuana have no reason to believe claims of "teh price is too high, ebil gubbmint!"


To be fair, 20 bucks a gram is like spending 30 on a pint.
 
2014-07-06 01:23:06 PM  

snocone: $20-$30/gram?

You are not helping. This bullzhit is even more stupid than prohibition.
Can we get an adult in here?


come on now I'm only 1 man I can only grow so much at once.


/12 bucks a gram same price for everyone.
 
2014-07-06 01:23:51 PM  

ReverendJynxed: To be fair, 20 bucks a gram is like spending 30 on a pint.


It comes in pints?!!
 
2014-07-06 01:26:14 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-06 01:27:04 PM  

ElLoco: ReverendJynxed: To be fair, 20 bucks a gram is like spending 30 on a pint.

It comes in pints?!!


Because when people refer to pints they tend to refer to weed right?


/farking Texans
 
2014-07-06 01:27:44 PM  

TheBigJerk: TuteTibiImperes: hubiestubert: It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.

There's sure to be some quid pro quo as legalization spreads, as well as states testing the limits on what they can charge in taxes, but that's OK IMO if it leads to legalization spreading faster.

Getting the foot in the door is the most important thing here, and if takes that prospects of big profits for moneyed interests and state coffers, so be it.  Once it's legal in most places there will be plenty of time to argue what the proper price point should be.

Also, those of us who don't *really* care that much because we still look down on marijuana have no reason to believe claims of "teh price is too high, ebil gubbmint!"


If you dont smoke it why even bother voicing an opinion? Or are you the type that likes seeing people you disagree with being ripped off?
 
2014-07-06 01:28:50 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: hubiestubert: It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.

There's sure to be some quid pro quo as legalization spreads, as well as states testing the limits on what they can charge in taxes, but that's OK IMO if it leads to legalization spreading faster.

Getting the foot in the door is the most important thing here, and if takes that prospects of big profits for moneyed interests and state coffers, so be it.  Once it's legal in most places there will be plenty of time to argue what the proper price point should be.


The problem being for a lot of folks, is looking at what happened when Prohibition came down. Cheap and easy to brew beers became the watchword for "American" brewers and those sh*tty pale lagers became king. I can understand folks who really like their weed to NOT want the market flooded with what amounts to ditchweed, and overpriced ditchweed at that. Mind you, even when legalization does finally come through, there will still be craft growers, there will continue to be illegal grow operations, but those will turn into less drug related issues into tax issues. I, for one, cannot wait for hippies complaining bitterly about the damn 'Revenoooooors! burning up their crop...
 
2014-07-06 01:29:03 PM  
They've approved 80? Way to get the job done. I am sure much overtime was spent.... Hahahaha... Oh I'm such a kidder.
 
2014-07-06 01:29:35 PM  
beldar.blogs.com
 
2014-07-06 01:32:14 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: TheBigJerk: TuteTibiImperes: hubiestubert: It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.

There's sure to be some quid pro quo as legalization spreads, as well as states testing the limits on what they can charge in taxes, but that's OK IMO if it leads to legalization spreading faster.

Getting the foot in the door is the most important thing here, and if takes that prospects of big profits for moneyed interests and state coffers, so be it.  Once it's legal in most places there will be plenty of time to argue what the proper price point should be.

Also, those of us who don't *really* care that much because we still look down on marijuana have no reason to believe claims of "teh price is too high, ebil gubbmint!"

If you dont smoke it why even bother voicing an opinion? Or are you the type that likes seeing people you disagree with being ripped off?


Because you need people like us to agree with you enough to keep supporting legalization as the logical choice, and because your loud incessant whining about getting what you want but not fast enough turns us off.

I mean it's your cause...you fight how you want.
 
2014-07-06 01:33:24 PM  
No there isn't.  There is a licensing issue that the WA state regulators made.   They mandated that all retail pot must be tagged and grown from a certain date, making all cannabis grown before that date illegal to sell.


Now sleep in that bed, biatch.
 
2014-07-06 01:33:30 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: TheBigJerk: TuteTibiImperes: hubiestubert: It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.

There's sure to be some quid pro quo as legalization spreads, as well as states testing the limits on what they can charge in taxes, but that's OK IMO if it leads to legalization spreading faster.

Getting the foot in the door is the most important thing here, and if takes that prospects of big profits for moneyed interests and state coffers, so be it.  Once it's legal in most places there will be plenty of time to argue what the proper price point should be.

Also, those of us who don't *really* care that much because we still look down on marijuana have no reason to believe claims of "teh price is too high, ebil gubbmint!"

If you dont smoke it why even bother voicing an opinion? Or are you the type that likes seeing people you disagree with being ripped off?


I don't smoke the stuff, but I DO want to see us stop wasting so much time, effort, and money chasing folks down. And I'd like to see more industrial aspects of hemp being used, because that will mean more folks doing business, a more robust economy, and more competition in our markets which will spur innovation. I don't smoke the stuff, but then again, I don't look down my nose at those who do, because it's just weed. You can NOT imbibe and have an opinion on the subject, though, our Beamish Boy is just looking to get a rise out of folks. And it obviously worked.
 
2014-07-06 01:34:01 PM  
I see out-of-state road trips into Washington being arranged as we speak.
 
2014-07-06 01:35:46 PM  
KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of the Tea-Shades, but his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your badge. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck.
 
2014-07-06 01:37:11 PM  
And that Leeds guy is a farking greedy prick. He got his grow licence (only asshole currently growing for recreational use) so he's charging the stores RETAIL by the pound all because the board took care of him while farking with everyone else trying to get legal.
 
2014-07-06 01:38:10 PM  

hubiestubert: TuteTibiImperes: hubiestubert: It's not like folks don't already know someone who's growing a bit on the side, and selling illicit weed.

It's about a propped up price point, and limiting competition. Which, in fairness, is really the only way legalization is going to get through the door, because folks want their cut, and in order to get that, they're going to operate on the premise that weed was expensive because...reasons. Reasons that had nothing to do with illegality. Yeah. Totally reasons.

Until the market can be decoupled with what amounts of an insane amount of price-fixing, we're not going to see anything remotely looking like fair market prices for anyone. Especially with the limitations put on growers to eliminate some of the folks most qualified to drive competition. And it's going to be a price-fixed mess for a while yet.

There's sure to be some quid pro quo as legalization spreads, as well as states testing the limits on what they can charge in taxes, but that's OK IMO if it leads to legalization spreading faster.

Getting the foot in the door is the most important thing here, and if takes that prospects of big profits for moneyed interests and state coffers, so be it.  Once it's legal in most places there will be plenty of time to argue what the proper price point should be.

The problem being for a lot of folks, is looking at what happened when Prohibition came down. Cheap and easy to brew beers became the watchword for "American" brewers and those sh*tty pale lagers became king. I can understand folks who really like their weed to NOT want the market flooded with what amounts to ditchweed, and overpriced ditchweed at that. Mind you, even when legalization does finally come through, there will still be craft growers, there will continue to be illegal grow operations, but those will turn into less drug related issues into tax issues. I, for one, cannot wait for hippies complaining bitterly about the damn 'Revenoooooors! burning up their crop...


I have a feeling that personal grows (of a reasonable size) for personal use will be legal most places as legalization spreads. Most people won't be bothered to go through the hassle of doing it, so it shouldn't effect the tax revenue or demand for the finished product much.  I would expect pretty heavy penalties for people trying to grow their own and sell it outside of the approved and regulated channels though.

It's like homebrew now - it's legal most places, but most people don't want to bother with it.  You're free to do it and enjoy the fruits of your labor yourself and with your friends, but if you started selling it you'd quickly get a visit from the ATF.

Price inflation due to artificially restricted supply could go a couple ways in terms of available quality - either all of the growers figure that since people will buy anything they have no incentive to make a high quality product, or they see that since the price is so high they have to release a high quality product to entice people away from the black market or towards their strain vs the other high priced legal options.  I suppose we'll see in time what happens.

Back in college I recall an ounce going for around $100.  Selling at $25/gram would be about a sevenfold price increase, but I'm sure that the base price has increased over the past ten years as well.  Taking inflation into account say it's a fivefold increase, is that worth it for people to avoid the potential legal issues from buying on the black market?  For me it would be.  I haven't partaken because it's illegal, but if it were, I'd pay $20-$30 gram for it, at least at first, if that's where the price point of the legal market is.
 
2014-07-06 01:38:56 PM  
All they are doing is keeping the black market open and the drug dealers happy. This wouldn't be an issue if Washington State had taken its citizen's will to have legal cannabis seriously.
 
2014-07-06 01:41:59 PM  
Subby has no farking clue.
 
2014-07-06 01:42:03 PM  
Why can't we just give out licenses to the unlicensed pharmacists like we give immigration papers to the undocumented immigrants?

Problem solved.
 
2014-07-06 01:42:18 PM  
Pot addiction isn't a common thing. But man they are some of the most self-deluded shiats I've ever had to deal with.
 
2014-07-06 01:42:33 PM  

ReverendJynxed: ElLoco: ReverendJynxed: To be fair, 20 bucks a gram is like spending 30 on a pint.

It comes in pints?!!

Because when people refer to pints they tend to refer to weed right?


/farking Texans


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Posted an associated pic for clarity this time.
 
2014-07-06 01:42:43 PM  
Welcome to Big Weed.
 
2014-07-06 01:43:26 PM  
Right, a shortage.  Like everyone in Washington State can't just go to their usual dealer, or call that friend who knows a guy who knows a guy.
 
2014-07-06 01:43:57 PM  
I have a couple tomato plants and an herb garden in my front porch.

*sigh*
 
2014-07-06 01:44:31 PM  

peacheslatour: When I got laid off from my job, I couldn't afford to buy weed.  You know what happened?  I quit smoking weed.   *shrug*


What we need is a program to help people out, like food stamps. Call it weed stamps. When things get tough you could get a small stipend to tide y o u over till you get back on your feet.
 
2014-07-06 01:46:07 PM  

soseussme: I suppose somewhere there is someone "addicted" to marijuana but I've smoked for 3+ decades, except for one calendar year (2005 I think) when on a gentleman's bet I went the entire year without one smoke. And while not smoking, I continued to hang out with my friends who did smoke and had the opportunity to smoke pretty much every day, but I chose not to.

My main "withdrawal" symptom was that I wasn't high.

Obviously different people have different levels of tolerance and psychological addiction, addiction, but I am not really a person of excessive willpower. It's just that pot is not in the least physically addictive, and subby is either a troll or a moron, perhaps both.


This is hilarious.  Talk about someone being so blind they will not see.  If you've been regularly smoking marijuana for over 30 years, you're addicted.  I'm sure you tell yourself "oh I can stop anytime I want".  LOL.  If you're not addicted then why the "gentleman's bet"?  And why did you go back to using?  If it weren't no big thing, why start again?  Thanks for the laugh.
 
2014-07-06 01:46:08 PM  

ElLoco: ReverendJynxed: ElLoco: ReverendJynxed: To be fair, 20 bucks a gram is like spending 30 on a pint.

It comes in pints?!!

Because when people refer to pints they tend to refer to weed right?


/farking Texans

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Posted an associated pic for clarity this time.


No I got it, it wasn't funny.
 
2014-07-06 01:46:09 PM  
Whole thing sounds too commercialese, like $10 for bottled water at a concert.
 
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