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(LA Times)   Grand Canyon National Park, a crowded attraction in the middle of nowhere, could become a crowded attraction in the middle of other crowded attractions   (latimes.com) divider line 66
    More: Interesting, Grand Canyon, development plans, buses, federal jurisdiction, Little Colorado River  
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2014-07-06 09:52:26 AM  
The park service offers nothing more than "a drive-by wilderness experience," Whitmer said. "The average person can't ride a mule to the bottom of the canyon. We want them to feel the canyon from the bottom."

So do it. Put farking escalators all over the place. We wouldn't want the Wall-E generation to miss out on the wonders of the Grand Canyon, would we? it's their right to be given access to everywhere.  That's what "wilderness" is all about.
 
2014-07-06 10:04:56 AM  
How about a water slide from top to bottom and a glass elevator back to the top?
 
2014-07-06 10:07:55 AM  
No.
 
2014-07-06 10:37:22 AM  

oldernell: How about a water slide from top to bottom and a glass elevator climbing rope or rickety wooden steps back to the top?

 
2014-07-06 11:23:50 AM  
How about leaving it as it is?
 
2014-07-06 11:29:35 AM  
Welcome to Arizona.

Now go home.
 
2014-07-06 11:53:28 AM  
On a x-country trip with a buddy of mine, she kept insisting we stop at each viewing point as if the view was suddenly going to get more interesting from 5 miles on down the road. I finally refused to pull in again since it's REALLY FARKING BORING and I wanted to get some grub.

My mam and a buddy of hers were actually going to hike down a ways when a bus full of old folks unloaded right in front of them. Each one had a tiny bottle of water and her friend (a doctor) grabbed my mam and started running for the car urging her on with "Quick Charline! They're all going to infarct!"

Sometimes a postcard IS enough.
 
2014-07-06 11:55:06 AM  
The Petrified Forrest is pretty cool though.
 
2014-07-06 11:55:49 AM  
This is one of many reasons I love Havasupai. One trail. Hike or horse. It keeps out most lazy whiny biatches. If you've got the money, you can helicopter in. But those are few and far between.
 
2014-07-06 11:57:35 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Welcome to Arizona.

Now go home.


I love the natural beauty here, north to south, east to west.

They can stay if they shut up and clean up after themselves.
 
2014-07-06 12:02:11 PM  
I must say that visiting the Grand Canyon was one of the most transcendent experiences with my own insignificance that I've ever had. Almost everyone has this experience when they are faced with the vast beauty of it and photographs truly can not do justice to it.

Let's not feck this thing up please.  Thank you.
 
2014-07-06 01:25:26 PM  
I think they should turn the whole thing into a Segway park.
 
2014-07-06 01:29:14 PM  

cryinoutloud: The park service offers nothing more than "a drive-by wilderness experience," Whitmer said. "The average person can't ride a mule to the bottom of the canyon. We want them to feel the canyon from the bottom."

So do it. Put farking escalators all over the place. We wouldn't want the Wall-E generation to miss out on the wonders of the Grand Canyon, would we? it's their right to be given access to everywhere.  That's what "wilderness" is all about.


I think of it as Indians getting revenge on the palefaces.
 
2014-07-06 01:33:56 PM  
Another case of money overruling decency. It's one of the wonders of the world, don't farking ruin it!
 
2014-07-06 01:34:28 PM  
Now they just need a waterfall and build two tourists trap cities on each side of of the canyon. One has to be ghetto and the other full of french people and expensive souvenirs.
 
2014-07-06 01:37:14 PM  
As someone who is moving to Tuba City in October, leave that barren land they way it is. The natural beauty should be preserved
 
2014-07-06 01:37:51 PM  

HempHead: cryinoutloud: The park service offers nothing more than "a drive-by wilderness experience," Whitmer said. "The average person can't ride a mule to the bottom of the canyon. We want them to feel the canyon from the bottom."

So do it. Put farking escalators all over the place. We wouldn't want the Wall-E generation to miss out on the wonders of the Grand Canyon, would we? it's their right to be given access to everywhere.  That's what "wilderness" is all about.

I think of it as Indians getting revenge on the palefaces.


They're just trying to commune with the spirits of their ancestral homeland... or something.
 
2014-07-06 01:38:31 PM  
I like flying over the canyon at 35k feet.
 
2014-07-06 01:42:23 PM  
Did YHWH make the great flood so it could come to this? I don't think so!
 
2014-07-06 01:42:29 PM  
I try to go the Canyon once a year. I love it up there. I've even hiked down into the canyon. The last thing The Grand Canyon needs is more development.
 
2014-07-06 01:48:22 PM  
Ok,  we saw the biggest damn hole in the world. Let's go.

cdn.hark.com
 
2014-07-06 01:50:20 PM  
Hayduke lives.
 
2014-07-06 01:51:21 PM  
Generations of park managers have tried to preserve that natural vista, but officials here say a proposed development would alter the view.

Looking eastward from the canyon's popular South Rim, visitors could soon see a hive of construction as workers build restaurants, hotels and shops on a distant mesa on the Navajo Indian reservation.


So sorry, but we've farked with the Native Americans enough.

If you don't like what they do on the tiny slivers of land we have allowed them to keep, then that's just too damn bad.
 
2014-07-06 01:52:39 PM  
The bright Angel lodge has been working the bottom of the canyon for decades. The only problem being the park services complete lack of ability to meet demand.

The view is still going to be incredible. The grand canyon is HUGE you could move Detroit to the the rim and still have a thousand miles of untouched desert.

Tour operators have been clogging the canyon for years. Hundreds raft the river every day and you can barely walk down the main trails without stepping in all the mules addition to the park.

It seems like this is an article about a park ranger complaining about a small dot in the largest landscape on earth ruining his view. Then he further claims they don't have enough water. The river, you know how the canyon was created in the first place, is 400 feet wide.

Usually I'm all about protecting the environment. I think this rangers real problem is that this project will bring in the 'wrong' sort of people.
 
2014-07-06 01:53:48 PM  
Are they building in Tusayan or are they building everything on the rim of the canyon.

Tusayan could use some developement, and Xenterra could use some competition in the park...at least one restaurant that doesnt share its menu with the other 4.
 
2014-07-06 01:54:34 PM  

BullBearMS: Generations of park managers have tried to preserve that natural vista, but officials here say a proposed development would alter the view.

Looking eastward from the canyon's popular South Rim, visitors could soon see a hive of construction as workers build restaurants, hotels and shops on a distant mesa on the Navajo Indian reservation.

So sorry, but we've farked with the Native Americans enough.

If you don't like what they do on the tiny slivers of land we have allowed them to keep, then that's just too damn bad.


In the old days, we'd just pick up and move them again.
 
2014-07-06 02:00:07 PM  
Not on Park Land.  End of story.  Yeah, they are crappy ideas in my opinion, but the Park Service has no say in the manner.
 
2014-07-06 02:02:20 PM  
They may as well build a McDonalds on the rim so that tourists can recuperate from the arduous gondola ride to and from the canyon floor with a few McDoubles.
 
2014-07-06 02:08:53 PM  

cryinoutloud: The park service offers nothing more than "a drive-by wilderness experience," Whitmer said. "The average person can't ride a mule to the bottom of the canyon. We want them to feel the canyon from the bottom."

So do it. Put farking escalators all over the place. We wouldn't want the Wall-E generation to miss out on the wonders of the Grand Canyon, would we? it's their right to be given access to everywhere.  That's what "wilderness" is all about. Not when we can make a buck out of it.


/it's not their right; you charge 'em to use the escalators
 
2014-07-06 02:09:01 PM  

Aufdie: The bright Angel lodge has been working the bottom of the canyon for decades. The only problem being the park services complete lack of ability to meet demand.


Bright Angel's on the rim. You're thinking of Phantom Ranch.


Usually I'm all about protecting the environment. I think this ranger's real problem is that this project will bring in the 'wrong' sort of people.

I worked at the South Rim and at Phantom for several years in my 20s, and I sure as hell don't want the average clueless bumblefark touron crapping up the bottom of the Canyon with soda cans and candy wrappers. The Grand Canyon is not an amusement park; it's a place to preserve a natural wonder, which won't last if it's clogged with people. Experiencing the interior of the Canyon is something that has to be earned with effort and sweat. 

If the Navajo are so keen on getting in on the belagana tourist dollar, let 'em set up a Ferris wheel and roller coaster in Window Rock,
 
2014-07-06 02:25:33 PM  

Aufdie: The bright Angel lodge has been working the bottom of the canyon for decades. The only problem being the park services complete lack of ability to meet demand.

The view is still going to be incredible. The grand canyon is HUGE you could move Detroit to the the rim and still have a thousand miles of untouched desert.

Tour operators have been clogging the canyon for years. Hundreds raft the river every day and you can barely walk down the main trails without stepping in all the mules addition to the park.


I think the view is only part of it. Its mostly the degradation caused by having a population camped so close. The regular tourists do enough damage. Still, having any amount of residential/commercial area that close would ruin the experience, imho.

Aufdie: It seems like this is an article about a park ranger complaining about a small dot in the largest landscape on earth ruining his view. Then he further claims they don't have enough water. The river, you know how the canyon was created in the first place, is 400 feet wide.


Im pretty sure there are restrictions on water usage out of the Colorado. All the US states on the river and Mexico have agreements so that one jurisdiction doesnt hog all the water. 

Aufdie: Usually I'm all about protecting the environment. I think this rangers real problem is that this project will bring in the 'wrong' sort of people.


I doubt it. The wrong sorts usually show up anyway. This will degrade the natural beauty and resources.
 
Skr
2014-07-06 02:26:41 PM  

Giltric: Are they building in Tusayan or are they building everything on the rim of the canyon.

Tusayan could use some developement, and Xenterra could use some competition in the park...at least one restaurant that doesnt share its menu with the other 4.


Xenterra also has a big hold on Yellowstone. I enjoy Yellowstone more than the Canyon, but each time I go back it becomes just a little more developed.
 
2014-07-06 02:27:49 PM  

Aufdie: The bright Angel lodge has been working the bottom of the canyon for decades. The only problem being the park services complete lack of ability to meet demand.

The view is still going to be incredible. The grand canyon is HUGE you could move Detroit to the the rim and still have a thousand miles of untouched desert.

Tour operators have been clogging the canyon for years. Hundreds raft the river every day and you can barely walk down the main trails without stepping in all the mules addition to the park.

It seems like this is an article about a park ranger complaining about a small dot in the largest landscape on earth ruining his view. Then he further claims they don't have enough water. The river, you know how the canyon was created in the first place, is 400 feet wide.

Usually I'm all about protecting the environment. I think this rangers real problem is that this project will bring in the 'wrong' sort of people.


Most rangers welcome a wide variety of people visiting the parks. A large part of their job is to help teach people how to appreciate nature and how to take care of the land.

This isn't being built on park land, though. It probably would reduce traffic to the actual national park.
 
2014-07-06 02:30:23 PM  

BullBearMS: Generations of park managers have tried to preserve that natural vista, but officials here say a proposed development would alter the view.

Looking eastward from the canyon's popular South Rim, visitors could soon see a hive of construction as workers build restaurants, hotels and shops on a distant mesa on the Navajo Indian reservation.

So sorry, but we've farked with the Native Americans enough.

If you don't like what they do on the tiny slivers of land we have allowed them to keep, then that's just too damn bad.


Tots mcgoats! Let them build unregulated chemical plants and DIY nuclear reactors on their land. After all they got farked over. They should be allowed to do what ever they want with their land.
 
2014-07-06 02:44:50 PM  
Viewing the majesty of the panorama of colors and shapes that is the Grand Canyon, it gives one pause to consider what God managed to do a little over 10,000 years ago.  And why shouldn't the canyon be developed?  If God didn't want this to happen to allow more people to share in the experience, he would have smote us all down.
 
2014-07-06 03:00:26 PM  

At the risk of feeding a troll...: BullBearMS: Generations of park managers have tried to preserve that natural vista, but officials here say a proposed development would alter the view.

Looking eastward from the canyon's popular South Rim, visitors could soon see a hive of construction as workers build restaurants, hotels and shops on a distant mesa on the Navajo Indian reservation.

So sorry, but we've farked with the Native Americans enough.

If you don't like what they do on the tiny slivers of land we have allowed them to keep, then that's just too damn bad.

Tots mcgoats! Let them build unregulated chemical plants and DIY nuclear reactors on their land. After all they got farked over. They should be allowed to do what ever they want with their land.



You've seen right to the heart of the matter.

Restaurants are exactly the same thing as unregulated chemical pants and DIY nuclear reactors.
 
2014-07-06 03:01:38 PM  
I'm "sacrilegious" when it comes to nature. I always enjoyed visiting Yosemite as a kid but also thought how much better it would be if Disney owned it. Except it would probably be even more crowded.
 
2014-07-06 03:07:07 PM  

Prey4reign: Viewing the majesty of the panorama of colors and shapes that is the Grand Canyon, it gives one pause to consider what God managed to do a little over 10,000 years ago.  And why shouldn't the canyon be developed?  If God didn't want this to happen to allow more people to share in the experience, he would have smote us all down.


That's easier to do visiting Utah. Lake Bonneville, everything green and wet... then, sorry, a channel to the ocean opened, all dried up.
 
2014-07-06 03:15:33 PM  
When I was a teen, I went with my church group to Tonto Rim (no jokes now) for a vacation Bible camp.  On the way we stopped at the Grand Canyon, and even took a few pics where they filmed a scene for that Brady Bunch episode.  And we saw the gift shop from Vacation on the way out.
 
2014-07-06 03:16:08 PM  
Grand Canyon just doesn't look real.  It looks like a movie backdrop. It's incomprehensible to our miserable little naked ape brains.

My aunt fell into it, too.  Took something like 5 hours for the Rangers to get her out. She had a broken arm and some scrapes, but was OK. Best part of the whole dam trip.
 
2014-07-06 03:21:07 PM  

desertgeek: Another case of money overruling decency. It's one of the wonders of the world, don't farking ruin it!


Should we get rid of the hotels on the South Rim? The road leading up? The train? The restaurants? The stinky mule barns?

They're not putting McMansions on every ridgeline - they're letting native people build on native land. Too bad, white man.
 
2014-07-06 03:22:21 PM  

At the risk of feeding a troll...: BullBearMS: Generations of park managers have tried to preserve that natural vista, but officials here say a proposed development would alter the view.

Looking eastward from the canyon's popular South Rim, visitors could soon see a hive of construction as workers build restaurants, hotels and shops on a distant mesa on the Navajo Indian reservation.

So sorry, but we've farked with the Native Americans enough.

If you don't like what they do on the tiny slivers of land we have allowed them to keep, then that's just too damn bad.

Tots mcgoats! Let them build unregulated chemical plants and DIY nuclear reactors on their land. After all they got farked over. They should be allowed to do what ever they want with their land.


Not anything - a hotel is hardly a nuclear reactor. We forced them onto the most desolate land we could find, and now we are objecting to them building a hotel and restaurant? Really? People do what they need to survive, and providing tourist services, when there aren't many around is not a bad way to do it.  When I was there with family (ages 70+ to teens) we could have used a closer place to stay and somewhere to eat. I'd have liked some access to views other than just the pedestrian path on the south rim as well. How do you instill a wonder of nature in kids and teenagers if they are kept away from it?  The canyon is over 250 miles long. Having access/development in a couple areas is not going to hurt it.
 
2014-07-06 03:26:31 PM  

Mock26: Not on Park Land.  End of story.  Yeah, they are crappy ideas in my opinion, but the Park Service has no say in the manner.


Yeah, until 50 years down the line, when the Park has to buy out the private operator.

See: Gettysburg Tower.
 
2014-07-06 03:30:05 PM  
Welcome to the Grand Canyon, brought to you by Carl's Jr.
 
2014-07-06 03:32:20 PM  

mikebdoss: desertgeek: Another case of money overruling decency. It's one of the wonders of the world, don't farking ruin it!

Should we get rid of the hotels on the South Rim? The road leading up? The train? The restaurants? The stinky mule barns?

They're not putting McMansions on every ridgeline - they're letting native people build on native land. Too bad, white man.


Dont forget some artsy fartsy guys "studio" right there on the rim.....
 
2014-07-06 03:39:32 PM  
Heh. This ought to be fun to watch ..
 
2014-07-06 03:43:10 PM  
Restaurants and Hotel is Native American for Casino.
 
2014-07-06 03:49:10 PM  

Aufdie: The bright Angel lodge has been working the bottom of the canyon for decades. The only problem being the park services complete lack of ability to meet demand.

The view is still going to be incredible. The grand canyon is HUGE you could move Detroit to the the rim and still have a thousand miles of untouched desert.

Tour operators have been clogging the canyon for years. Hundreds raft the river every day and you can barely walk down the main trails without stepping in all the mules addition to the park.

It seems like this is an article about a park ranger complaining about a small dot in the largest landscape on earth ruining his view. Then he further claims they don't have enough water. The river, you know how the canyon was created in the first place, is 400 feet wide.

Usually I'm all about protecting the environment. I think this rangers real problem is that this project will bring in the 'wrong' sort of people.




Taking water from the river is illegal due to water rights.
 
2014-07-06 04:09:47 PM  
I've got an idea..

 Backfill dat hole.

Pave over it and turn it into a parking lot.



Seriously tho, I hiked down that hot canyon to see Havasupai Falls and Mooney Falls, not some nice condos, or a casino.
 
/Memories of a Lifetime. :)
 
2014-07-06 04:23:45 PM  

City 4x4: I've got an idea..

 Backfill dat hole.

Pave over it and turn it into a parking lot.


Seriously tho, I hiked down that hot canyon to see Havasupai Falls and Mooney Falls, not some nice condos, or a casino.
 
/Memories of a Lifetime. :)


D

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
 
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