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2014-07-06 09:32:30 AM  
That's kind of not what the article says at all. Just that the matter has not been dropped. Then it's a recap of everything that already happened.

I wonder if Bundy's army is getting hot and tired yet?
 
2014-07-06 09:37:36 AM  
Damn freeloader needs some cell time and jailhouse food.
 
2014-07-06 09:40:33 AM  
Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie said Bundy crossed the line when he allowed states' rights supporters, including self-proclaimed militia members, onto his property to aim guns at police.

[voice="waylonjennings"]Welp, looks like it's about time for ol' Clive to declare hisself a *city's* rights kinda guy.[/voice]
 
2014-07-06 09:41:53 AM  

cryinoutloud: That's kind of not what the article says at all. Just that the matter has not been dropped. Then it's a recap of everything that already happened.

I wonder if Bundy's army is getting hot and tired yet?


There's pretty much nobody left up there
 
2014-07-06 09:52:52 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie said Bundy crossed the line when he allowed states' rights supporters, including self-proclaimed militia members, onto his property to aim guns at police.

[voice="waylonjennings"]Welp, looks like it's about time for ol' Clive to declare hisself a *city's* rights kinda guy.[/voice]


Is that the same Sheriff that Bundy says is the supreme law enforcement officer of the land?
 
2014-07-06 09:54:50 AM  

enry: Is that the same Sheriff that Bundy says is the supreme law enforcement officer of the land?


Yes, of the *County* land. Clive no longer recognizes the authority of the County, now that he's a city's right guy.
 
2014-07-06 10:15:22 AM  

cryinoutloud: That's kind of not what the article says at all. Just that the matter has not been dropped. Then it's a recap of everything that already happened.

I wonder if Bundy's army is getting hot and tired yet?


It sorta is a round two, but just through the court system. Which is going to have questionable results, since Bundy doesn't want to recognize anyone's authority except for, whatever it is he actually recognizes as authority. Now, if the courts decide he's guilty of various crimes and call for his arrest, it will be interesting to see if his militia nut job friends try to back him up again.
 
2014-07-06 10:52:36 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: cryinoutloud: That's kind of not what the article says at all. Just that the matter has not been dropped. Then it's a recap of everything that already happened.

I wonder if Bundy's army is getting hot and tired yet?

There's pretty much nobody left up there


They all went up to Idaho for the summer, to protest the American serviceman POW being allowed to go home to his own hometown.
 
2014-07-06 10:52:41 AM  
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2014-07-06 10:54:10 AM  
The militia nut jobs left crying and broken cause nobody tried to shoot them.
 
2014-07-06 10:54:24 AM  
Meh, bleed him dry via the legal system.  Lawsuits and legal fees will take care of him.
 
2014-07-06 10:56:43 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: There's pretty much nobody left up there

I can't imagine why.

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strangeluck: Now, if the courts decide he's guilty of various crimes and call for his arrest, it will be interesting to see if his militia nut job friends try to back him up again.


That would be interesting, since a lot of his followers supposedly worship Law Enforcement. And some Law Enforcement are probably supporters of Bundy. Epic gunfight in the desert, nobody knows whose side anyone is on. Then there'd be nobody left to clean it up except.....the federal government.
 
2014-07-06 11:11:51 AM  

Generation_D: Doktor_Zhivago: cryinoutloud: That's kind of not what the article says at all. Just that the matter has not been dropped. Then it's a recap of everything that already happened.

I wonder if Bundy's army is getting hot and tired yet?

There's pretty much nobody left up there

They all went up to Idaho for the summer, to protest the American serviceman POW being allowed to go home to his own hometown.


Or the Mexican border to protest the Marine who got arrested for breaking the law.
 
2014-07-06 11:34:35 AM  

basemetal: Meh, bleed him dry via the legal system.  Lawsuits and legal fees will take care of him.


Liens, garnishments, levies.

He may not have a pot to piss in when it's over.

I'm also fascinated that the sheriff offered to take him to two actual lawyers and he refused. He's a complete nut job, and it amuses to absolutely no end that Hannity and Fox did basically zero research on him before trying to make him a spokesperson for the Gubment BAD crowd.
 
2014-07-06 11:39:09 AM  
I am an ardent defender of the Second Amendment and state's rights.

Clive Bundy is an asshole freeloader who should be in jail.
 
2014-07-06 11:43:35 AM  
Pay your farking bills, you whiny rich fark!
 
2014-07-06 11:44:31 AM  
How can the US Government, who is in a death-struggle with battle-hardened terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, have problems with a handful of fatass hillbillies who give themselves names like "Bam Bam" and "Booda Bear"?
 
2014-07-06 11:47:49 AM  

TV's Vinnie: How can the US Government, who is in a death-struggle with battle-hardened terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, have problems with a handful of fatass hillbillies who give themselves names like "Bam Bam" and "Booda Bear"?


Because they do stupid things, die horribly and we hear whining about it for the next 20 years
 
2014-07-06 11:50:17 AM  
Clive Bundy fur president/2016!

/Pair him up with drunk Joey Biden. What a pair!!!!
 
2014-07-06 11:52:06 AM  

TV's Vinnie: How can the US Government, who is in a death-struggle with battle-hardened terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, have problems with a handful of fatass hillbillies who give themselves names like "Bam Bam" and "Booda Bear"?


They don't have "problems". They're just being patient and waiting for his support to wane away so they can swoop in without a fight. It would embarrassing to get into a firefight over a civil law breach.
 
2014-07-06 11:52:30 AM  
Sad, sad little subby
 
2014-07-06 11:53:25 AM  
Can't we convince the authorities that Bundy is somehow affiliated with Occupy Wall Street?
Then, they'd be in their with nightsticks, rubber bullets and tear gas in about five seconds flat.
 
2014-07-06 11:53:51 AM  
All hail the Fatherland.

Get in line or die.
 
2014-07-06 11:57:02 AM  

cryinoutloud: That's kind of not what the article says at all. Just that the matter has not been dropped. Then it's a recap of everything that already happened.

I wonder if Bundy's army is getting hot and tired yet?


GQ did an excellent article about just that: link.

Essentially, yes.  Their problem (well, one of them) was that they didn't consider the possibility that the BLM would do anything but provoke an immediate, violent conflict, allowing them to have their armed showdown with the federal government.  So they've been out there for a few months now in a glorified shantytown (overflowing toilets and all), without a whole lot of direction as to what they're going to do next.  It will be interesting to see what develops once the high summer comes.
 
2014-07-06 11:57:08 AM  

TV's Vinnie: How can the US Government, who is in a death-struggle with battle-hardened terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, have problems with a handful of fatass hillbillies who give themselves names like "Bam Bam" and "Booda Bear"?


If the they wanted to, they could clear the area out in an afternoon. But they don't want to kill everyone and that would put their own personnel at risk.
 
2014-07-06 11:57:18 AM  

jso2897: Can't we convince the authorities that Bundy is somehow affiliated with Occupy Wall Street?
Then, they'd be in their with nightsticks, rubber bullets and tear gas in about five seconds flat.


This.
 
2014-07-06 11:58:44 AM  

TV's Vinnie: How can the US Government, who is in a death-struggle with battle-hardened terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, have problems with a handful of fatass hillbillies who give themselves names like "Bam Bam" and "Booda Bear"?


There's really no need. Unless he has all money in cash, the government will get theirs. The bureaucracy is slow, but unstoppable.
 
2014-07-06 11:58:51 AM  
Put a lien on the cattle so when he takes them to market they take the cattle and cut a check to the BLM.  Then Bundy can wrangle with the BLM to get the balance, if there is any.  The longer he waits to take them to market, the higher the fines and interest.  If he never takes them to market he's wasted years and millions of dollars of beef-critters.  And he can't just sell them to other ranchers - cattle are barcoded and tracked from birth, they'll never hit a market without "Bundy" being attached to the sale.
 
2014-07-06 12:00:43 PM  
So the bootstrappy teabagger is acting like, what he believes, "the negro" acts like by taking welfare and being a burden on the system.

/Also support 2nd amemdment rights
//Assholes are assholes.
///Time for this asshole to pay his farking bills.
 
2014-07-06 12:02:17 PM  
Bundy is probably looking at the 300% higher electric bills he's been paying thanks to endless charging of Hoverround batteries and praying for BLM to march in and take over.
 
2014-07-06 12:05:08 PM  
Let us not forget, this is an FLDS asshole. No respect for any law but his own spegetti monster from another planet.
Just call him American Taliban
 
2014-07-06 12:08:24 PM  

MFAWG: basemetal: Meh, bleed him dry via the legal system.  Lawsuits and legal fees will take care of him.


Liens, garnishments, levies.

He may not have a pot to piss in when it's over.


...now, if he doesn't recognize the government's authority, how's he going to react to the first people who try to collect on those liens and levies (and I doubt he has a job to garnish wages from)...do you really think he wouldn't take a shot or two at a repo man trying to take his car or, even better, his guns due to failed payment?
 
2014-07-06 12:14:26 PM  
Yeah, I had no issue with Waco, MOVE or the hopeful end of this "stand-off"
 
2014-07-06 12:17:36 PM  

IlGreven: MFAWG: basemetal: Meh, bleed him dry via the legal system.  Lawsuits and legal fees will take care of him.


Liens, garnishments, levies.

He may not have a pot to piss in when it's over.

...now, if he doesn't recognize the government's authority, how's he going to react to the first people who try to collect on those liens and levies (and I doubt he has a job to garnish wages from)...do you really think he wouldn't take a shot or two at a repo man trying to take his car or, even better, his guns due to failed payment?


When he goes to the bank his balance will be zero. When he goes to sell his cattle, they'll take that cash too. The credit agencies will destroy his credit so he can't buy more, all without a shot fired.
 
2014-07-06 12:21:41 PM  

TV's Vinnie: How can the US Government, who is in a death-struggle with battle-hardened terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, have problems with a handful of fatass hillbillies who give themselves names like "Bam Bam" and "Booda Bear"?


The far right sees evil everywhere but inside themselves.

Besides, Obama has learned through the War on Terror that the last thing he should do is turn his enemies into martyrs.
 
2014-07-06 12:23:59 PM  

MFAWG: basemetal: Meh, bleed him dry via the legal system.  Lawsuits and legal fees will take care of him.

Liens, garnishments, levies.

He may not have a pot to piss in when it's over.

I'm also fascinated that the sheriff offered to take him to two actual lawyers and he refused. He's a complete nut job, and it amuses to absolutely no end that Hannity and Fox did basically zero research on him before trying to make him a spokesperson for the Gubment BAD crowd.


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2014-07-06 12:24:08 PM  

EvilEgg: IlGreven: MFAWG: basemetal: Meh, bleed him dry via the legal system.  Lawsuits and legal fees will take care of him.


Liens, garnishments, levies.

He may not have a pot to piss in when it's over.

...now, if he doesn't recognize the government's authority, how's he going to react to the first people who try to collect on those liens and levies (and I doubt he has a job to garnish wages from)...do you really think he wouldn't take a shot or two at a repo man trying to take his car or, even better, his guns due to failed payment?

When he goes to the bank his balance will be zero. When he goes to sell his cattle, they'll take that cash too. The credit agencies will destroy his credit so he can't buy more, all without a shot fired.


You really think he's putting his money in a bank? Especially any insured by the FDIC?  He's probably got all of his money in cash in a mattress somewhere.
 
2014-07-06 12:27:19 PM  

Aquapope: Put a lien on the cattle so when he takes them to market they take the cattle and cut a check to the BLM.  Then Bundy can wrangle with the BLM to get the balance, if there is any.  The longer he waits to take them to market, the higher the fines and interest.  If he never takes them to market he's wasted years and millions of dollars of beef-critters.  And he can't just sell them to other ranchers - cattle are barcoded and tracked from birth, they'll never hit a market without "Bundy" being attached to the sale.


That would be an out-farking-standing resolution to this idiocy.
 
2014-07-06 12:28:36 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Aquapope: Put a lien on the cattle so when he takes them to market they take the cattle and cut a check to the BLM.  Then Bundy can wrangle with the BLM to get the balance, if there is any.  The longer he waits to take them to market, the higher the fines and interest.  If he never takes them to market he's wasted years and millions of dollars of beef-critters.  And he can't just sell them to other ranchers - cattle are barcoded and tracked from birth, they'll never hit a market without "Bundy" being attached to the sale.

That would be an out-farking-standing resolution to this idiocy.


So why has this issue drug on for 20 years if this was an option?
 
2014-07-06 12:31:33 PM  

TV's Vinnie: How can the US Government, who is in a death-struggle with battle-hardened terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, have problems with a handful of fatass hillbillies who give themselves names like "Bam Bam" and "Booda Bear"?


Because the former are brown and the latter aren't.
 
2014-07-06 12:33:27 PM  
The Sheriff was on Bundy's side last I knew.

Guess he doesn't like the problems Bundy's little anti-American buddies have brought with them.
 
2014-07-06 12:34:57 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: So why has this issue drug on for 20 years if this was an option?


because the government isn't actually a heartless, evil entity over reaching its authority and was honestly trying to find a reasonable accomodation and work with this collosal jack@$$ despite his complete disdain for civilized society?
 
2014-07-06 12:36:11 PM  
Im hoping for an all-out battle, with heavy losses on both sides. Is that too much to ask for???
 
2014-07-06 12:36:36 PM  

strangeluck: cryinoutloud: That's kind of not what the article says at all. Just that the matter has not been dropped. Then it's a recap of everything that already happened.

I wonder if Bundy's army is getting hot and tired yet?

It sorta is a round two, but just through the court system. Which is going to have questionable results, since Bundy doesn't want to recognize anyone's authority except for, whatever it is he actually recognizes as authority. Now, if the courts decide he's guilty of various crimes and call for his arrest, it will be interesting to see if his militia nut job friends try to back him up again.


The only authority he'll recognize is whatever authority allows him to continue freeloading.
 
2014-07-06 12:38:29 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Lamberts Ho Man: Aquapope: Put a lien on the cattle so when he takes them to market they take the cattle and cut a check to the BLM.  Then Bundy can wrangle with the BLM to get the balance, if there is any.  The longer he waits to take them to market, the higher the fines and interest.  If he never takes them to market he's wasted years and millions of dollars of beef-critters.  And he can't just sell them to other ranchers - cattle are barcoded and tracked from birth, they'll never hit a market without "Bundy" being attached to the sale.

That would be an out-farking-standing resolution to this idiocy.

So why has this issue drug on for 20 years if this was an option?


I just don't know.  They didn't seem to have a problem with the idea of taking the cattle, so taking his money (either what's now in accounts or when the cattle are sold) shouldn't pose a problem either.  I don't see how the lien option wouldn't be available - there's already a court order for him to pay up and/or lose the cattle - seems reasonable that a judge would see his way to ordering a lien (does it even take a judge for that?).
 
2014-07-06 12:38:51 PM  
Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie said Bundy crossed the line when he allowed states' rights supporters, including self-proclaimed militia members, onto his property


What?  Ya I'm not a fan of this guy but the idea of private property is that you can invite anyone you want to be there.
 
2014-07-06 12:39:56 PM  
That way that article made it sound it would seem that the Feds and Bundy have been playing this game since the 80's and it wasn't until the right-wing internet brigade decided to get involved this year that things got out of hand.
 
2014-07-06 12:44:21 PM  

Robo Beat: cryinoutloud: That's kind of not what the article says at all. Just that the matter has not been dropped. Then it's a recap of everything that already happened.

I wonder if Bundy's army is getting hot and tired yet?

GQ did an excellent article about just that: link.

Essentially, yes.  Their problem (well, one of them) was that they didn't consider the possibility that the BLM would do anything but provoke an immediate, violent conflict, allowing them to have their armed showdown with the federal government.  So they've been out there for a few months now in a glorified shantytown (overflowing toilets and all), without a whole lot of direction as to what they're going to do next.  It will be interesting to see what develops once the high summer comes.


This is a really good example of the mindset of the far-right whackadoodle set. They're fixated on these epic showdown catastrophe scenarios.

I found out yesterday that my b-i-l is so far gone he's one of the "The Federal Government is building CAMPS" fringe. They just have sincerely NO concept of any future other than socioeconomic collapse-this coming September, according to my b-i-l.
 
2014-07-06 12:44:44 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Lamberts Ho Man: Aquapope: Put a lien on the cattle so when he takes them to market they take the cattle and cut a check to the BLM.  Then Bundy can wrangle with the BLM to get the balance, if there is any.  The longer he waits to take them to market, the higher the fines and interest.  If he never takes them to market he's wasted years and millions of dollars of beef-critters.  And he can't just sell them to other ranchers - cattle are barcoded and tracked from birth, they'll never hit a market without "Bundy" being attached to the sale.

That would be an out-farking-standing resolution to this idiocy.

So why has this issue drug on for 20 years if this was an option?


Good point. It should have been handled years ago when he stopped paying grazing fees. I would like to know why it took 20 years, and why he was able to operate with impunity all this time. I get that the courts take time, but I've never heard of someone so able to flout paying bills for 20 years.

I really do want to see everything come crashing down, preferably without a single shot fired. I want him to make nothing for the sale of his cattle, and for all that money to pay what he owes.

I'd also love to see those armed nutcases arrested for what they've been up to, especially those who were putting up their own roadblocks and threatening the other people who lived there. But I doubt that we'll see that happen.
 
2014-07-06 12:44:53 PM  
I predict this will end badly. Going out on a limb, I know.
 
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