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2014-07-05 11:18:57 PM
The aisle guy gets the aisle armrest, the window guy gets the window armrest the middle guy gets both armrests to make up for being in the middle. This is the only equitable solution.
 
2014-07-05 11:34:20 PM
Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?
 
2014-07-06 12:06:18 AM

Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?


Even on short flights like from Phoenix to Salt Lake City. Dicks.
 
2014-07-06 01:40:27 AM

Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?


switch your seat with a kid and have that kid kick the back of the seat
 
2014-07-06 04:41:48 AM

Bucky Katt: Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?

switch your seat with a kid and have that kid kick the back of the seat


When they recline their seat, I make sure my knees are driving into the back of them seat.  In five seconds, if they do not move the seat back up I bump the back of their seat intentionally.

Almost never comes to that though. Whenever possible, I am in an exit row.

Being tall sucks at times.
 
2014-07-06 05:52:31 AM

K3rmy: Bucky Katt: Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?

switch your seat with a kid and have that kid kick the back of the seat

When they recline their seat, I make sure my knees are driving into the back of them seat.  In five seconds, if they do not move the seat back up I bump the back of their seat intentionally.

Almost never comes to that though. Whenever possible, I am in an exit row.

Being tall sucks at times.


Hah, I've done that myself the few times I've had to travel by air. If I've got to have my damned kneecaps embedded into the seat in front of me, you're keeping that farking seat up. It's a pain even in cars. My mom's Sonata is actually roomy enough for me to comfortably sit in it, but past that everything else I've sat in (sans trucks) has me imprinting the car's manufacturer's name in negative on my shin.
 
2014-07-06 05:52:42 AM
Done in one, folks.
 
2014-07-06 06:28:17 AM
Coach class problems.
 
2014-07-06 06:31:33 AM

Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?


I have no idea if they work (airplanes are a place where my diminutive stature is a definite benefit), but there's these things.
 
2014-07-06 07:18:49 AM

Bucky Katt: Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?

switch your seat with a kid and have that kid kick the back of the seat


There was a woman kicking my seat on a flight once because I had the audacity to take advantage of one of the few comforts that airlines provide.  It really isn't a big deal if the person in front of you puts their seat back.  At worst it limits the angle of your laptop, but get over it - you're on a plane.  The person in front of you can recline their seat.  You can recline yours.

Nowadays I might be arrested for the tirade I launched into her as I moved to a seat without a childish biatch behind me.  I suggested she take the bus or the train or fly first class if there wasn't enough room on the plane for her.

The only people who complain about others putting their seats back are self-entitled assholes who haven't flown more than 5,000 miles in their entire lives.
 
2014-07-06 07:36:42 AM
FTFA: It's being sold for $US20 ($21.35) on ............

Both approve.

i.imgur.com
One from the grave and the other from jail.
 
2014-07-06 08:01:45 AM
Can't wait to go through TSA with a bunch of restraints in my carry on.
 
2014-07-06 08:56:02 AM

Radak: Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?

I have no idea if they work (airplanes are a place where my diminutive stature is a definite benefit), but there's these things.


I've seen flight attendants have people remove those a few times. 2x on American and 1 on JB.
 
2014-07-06 09:13:24 AM
sp3.yimg.com
 
2014-07-06 09:37:33 AM
You can strangle crying babbies with it?
 
2014-07-06 09:41:37 AM
This is worse than Treblinka.
 
2014-07-06 09:43:42 AM

BumpInTheNight: You can strangle crying babbies with it?


Headphones.
 
2014-07-06 09:49:24 AM

squidloe: BumpInTheNight: You can strangle crying babbies with it?

Headphones.


Sure but you gotta remember to bring your own, the cheap cords on the ones the air lines sell always snap before the job's done.
 
2014-07-06 09:55:58 AM

BumpInTheNight: squidloe: BumpInTheNight: You can strangle crying babbies with it?

Headphones.

Sure but you gotta remember to bring your own, the cheap cords on the ones the air lines sell always snap before the job's done.


I travel a lot and have a pair that are always in my laptop bag.
 
2014-07-06 10:41:56 AM

Iczer: K3rmy: Bucky Katt: Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?

switch your seat with a kid and have that kid kick the back of the seat

When they recline their seat, I make sure my knees are driving into the back of them seat.  In five seconds, if they do not move the seat back up I bump the back of their seat intentionally.

Almost never comes to that though. Whenever possible, I am in an exit row.

Being tall sucks at times.

Hah, I've done that myself the few times I've had to travel by air. If I've got to have my damned kneecaps embedded into the seat in front of me, you're keeping that farking seat up. It's a pain even in cars. My mom's Sonata is actually roomy enough for me to comfortably sit in it, but past that everything else I've sat in (sans trucks) has me imprinting the car's manufacturer's name in negative on my shin.


I can definitely understand the frustration if you are so tall that having the seat in front of you recline physically eliminates the reasonably comfortable positioning of your legs.

BUT, don't you think anger at the passenger in front is misguided? He/she is using a normal feature of the plane that isn't exactly generous either. You're the outlier. Shouldn't you blame the airplane design, and/or get an exit row? A lot of airlines also now have more legroom rows that cost only a little more, or you can book early and choose the bulkhead. Or maybe (especially if it's a short flight) you can politely ask the person in front not to recline. I realize all this is less than ideal but most people have some kind of aspect they were born with that limits them in certain situations, and often costs them extra. At least yours helps in a lot of areas.
 
2014-07-06 10:45:11 AM
Great.  Now what about the guy who doesn't use the armrest properly?  The one who, instead of laying his arm on it lengthwise, lays it it perpendicular so his elbow digs into your side all the way across the Prairies?
 
2014-07-06 10:55:41 AM
You should see my invention, it is a suit covered in spikes. Much more effective than giving up and letting them have the armrest.
 
2014-07-06 11:06:57 AM

homelessdude: FTFA: It's being sold for $US20 ($21.35) on ............

Both approve.

[i.imgur.com image 350x198]
One from the grave and the other from jail.


i291.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-06 11:16:04 AM

EvilEgg: The aisle guy gets the aisle armrest, the window guy gets the window armrest the middle guy gets both armrests to make up for being in the middle. This is the only equitable solution.


Violators will be asked to leave the plane at cruising altitude.
 
2014-07-06 11:57:47 AM

gfid: There was a woman kicking my seat on a flight once because I had the audacity to take advantage of one of the few comforts that airlines provide. It really isn't a big deal if the person in front of you puts their seat back. At worst it limits the angle of your laptop, but get over it - you're on a plane. The person in front of you can recline their seat. You can recline yours.


When they tell you to move your seat to the upright position, I always push the button because I often can't tell the difference between reclined and upright.
 
2014-07-06 12:17:45 PM
Why not just have split-level armrests?
 
2014-07-06 01:32:11 PM

Radak: I have no idea if they work (airplanes are a place where my diminutive stature is a definite benefit), but there's these things.


This is how it usually goes with such devices:

Person tried to recline but device prevents the seat from doing so.

Person hits the flight attendant button.

Flight attendant comes over, person says seat is broken, can they change seats.

Flight attendant has seen this several thousand times, confiscates the device, is annoyed that her time has been once again wasted on this

Owner of device complains, is informed they must comply with flight crew instructions and not interfere with the proper operation of airline equipment

99% of the time: Device owner stews, gets their device back at the end of the flight and is told to not bring it on another of the airline's flights again

1% of the time: Device owner makes a big deal out the situation, ends up being anally probed by TSA when the plane lands.

The various "no recline" devices are sold to suckers who also think penis enlargement creams work. Sometimes they don't even have to wait for the person in front of them to try to recline before its spotted by a flight attendant.
 
2014-07-06 03:50:10 PM

Tobin_Lam: gfid: There was a woman kicking my seat on a flight once because I had the audacity to take advantage of one of the few comforts that airlines provide. It really isn't a big deal if the person in front of you puts their seat back. At worst it limits the angle of your laptop, but get over it - you're on a plane. The person in front of you can recline their seat. You can recline yours.

When they tell you to move your seat to the upright position, I always push the button because I often can't tell the difference between reclined and upright.


This!
It seems that my seat reclines about 5 degrees, but the person in front of me has a seat that reclines 45 degrees.
It is not possible to stand up because their seat is in your lap.

The real villain of course is the airline bean counters that cram so many seats in and are always reducing the space. I once got moved to a specialty seat that had 4 extra inches of leg room. Suddenly the position of the seat in front of me was no big deal.

/If the top of your head is in my lap I get to play with your hair
 
2014-07-06 03:59:09 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Iczer: K3rmy: Bucky Katt: Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?

switch your seat with a kid and have that kid kick the back of the seat

When they recline their seat, I make sure my knees are driving into the back of them seat.  In five seconds, if they do not move the seat back up I bump the back of their seat intentionally.

Almost never comes to that though. Whenever possible, I am in an exit row.

Being tall sucks at times.

Hah, I've done that myself the few times I've had to travel by air. If I've got to have my damned kneecaps embedded into the seat in front of me, you're keeping that farking seat up. It's a pain even in cars. My mom's Sonata is actually roomy enough for me to comfortably sit in it, but past that everything else I've sat in (sans trucks) has me imprinting the car's manufacturer's name in negative on my shin.

I can definitely understand the frustration if you are so tall that having the seat in front of you recline physically eliminates the reasonably comfortable positioning of your legs.

BUT, don't you think anger at the passenger in front is misguided? He/she is using a normal feature of the plane that isn't exactly generous either. You're the outlier. Shouldn't you blame the airplane design, and/or get an exit row? A lot of airlines also now have more legroom rows that cost only a little more, or you can book early and choose the bulkhead. Or maybe (especially if it's a short flight) you can politely ask the person in front not to recline. I realize all this is less than ideal but most people have some kind of aspect they were born with that limits them in certain situations, and often costs them extra. At least yours helps in a lot of areas.


No, if you recline your seat on a modern airplane without first checking who's/what's behind you, then you are deliberately being an asshole.
 
2014-07-06 04:11:54 PM

rwdavis: No, if you recline your seat on a modern airplane without first checking who's/what's behind you, then you are deliberately being an asshole.


The airline was gracious enough to give me the button to recline my own seat. I'm going to use it.
 
2014-07-06 05:02:15 PM
I had some asswipe tapping the back of my seat for hours coming back from Brazil. They had the touchscreens in the headrests, but the sensitivity was set waaaay too low.

As soon as I realized that's what it was, and not some five year old kicking the seat, I stopped dicking with my own screen. I think I farked up someone else's night flight two weeks earlier by playing the mahjong game it had.

Sorry, anonymous fellow traveler.
 
2014-07-06 05:28:43 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

peaceful shmeasful.
 
2014-07-06 06:48:51 PM

Tobin_Lam: rwdavis: No, if you recline your seat on a modern airplane without first checking who's/what's behind you, then you are deliberately being an asshole.

The airline was gracious enough to give me the button to recline my own seat. I'm going to use it.


I agree.

Want to act like a child and push my seat with your knees?

*push stewardess button"
"Miss, there is either a child or belligerent adult that is shoving my seat. Is there anything you can do?"

You are only going to get two, maybe three warnings until your considered hostile. And I could care less if you leave the airport in handcuffs.
 
2014-07-06 07:06:55 PM
Nap Wrap? Is that like a do-rag?
 
2014-07-06 08:01:19 PM

gfid: The only people who complain about others putting their seats back are self-entitled assholes who haven't flown more than 5,000 miles in their entire lives.


Not entirely true, I travel by air at least 4 times a year, and I love biatching about it a little bit.

But I don't have to biatch very much, because most passengers seem to be people who fly a lot and who've consequently developed a little empathy for all the others crammed in there. Pretty much the only people I see trying to recline are kids, teenagers, "bros" in their mid-20s and younger, and old ladies.

I.e., people who look like they fly maybe once a year, if that.
 
2014-07-06 08:33:51 PM

rwdavis: No, if you recline your seat on a modern airplane without first checking who's/what's behind you, then you are deliberately being an asshole.


I do admit I more or less share your sentiment personally, but I fully acknowledge that pressing the matter is not going to fly (no pun intended) according to the flight crew or authorities.  Therefore it is effectively the wrong stance, especially considering there are reasonable options to avoid that situation.

If the recliner in front refused to sit up and you or I put up a fight (physical or otherwise) without backing down, we would be the ones detained on the ground, not the recliner.  Again, there are ways to avoid the situation in the first place.
 
2014-07-06 10:32:54 PM

BumpInTheNight: squidloe: BumpInTheNight: You can strangle crying babbies with it?

Headphones.

Sure but you gotta remember to bring your own, the cheap cords on the ones the air lines sell always snap before the job's done.


Noise canceling headphones are key if you regularly travel.
 
2014-07-06 10:39:54 PM

gfid: Bucky Katt: Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?

switch your seat with a kid and have that kid kick the back of the seat

There was a woman kicking my seat on a flight once because I had the audacity to take advantage of one of the few comforts that airlines provide.  It really isn't a big deal if the person in front of you puts their seat back.  At worst it limits the angle of your laptop, but get over it - you're on a plane.  The person in front of you can recline their seat.  You can recline yours.

Nowadays I might be arrested for the tirade I launched into her as I moved to a seat without a childish biatch behind me.  I suggested she take the bus or the train or fly first class if there wasn't enough room on the plane for her.

The only people who complain about others putting their seats back are self-entitled assholes who haven't flown more than 5,000 miles in their entire lives.


I fly 50k to 75k miles a year.

People who recline their seats are in fact assholes.

20 years ago when you actual had legroom it was fine.

But today, there's so little space between chairs that if the person in front of you is reclining, you cannot even open a 13 inch laptop.
 
2014-07-06 11:31:21 PM

thornhill: gfid: Bucky Katt: Chariset: Forget that.  How about an invention to punish the jerk in front of you who always puts his seat back?

switch your seat with a kid and have that kid kick the back of the seat

There was a woman kicking my seat on a flight once because I had the audacity to take advantage of one of the few comforts that airlines provide.  It really isn't a big deal if the person in front of you puts their seat back.  At worst it limits the angle of your laptop, but get over it - you're on a plane.  The person in front of you can recline their seat.  You can recline yours.

Nowadays I might be arrested for the tirade I launched into her as I moved to a seat without a childish biatch behind me.  I suggested she take the bus or the train or fly first class if there wasn't enough room on the plane for her.

The only people who complain about others putting their seats back are self-entitled assholes who haven't flown more than 5,000 miles in their entire lives.

I fly 50k to 75k miles a year.

People who recline their seats are in fact assholes.

20 years ago when you actual had legroom it was fine.

But today, there's so little space between chairs that if the person in front of you is reclining, you cannot even open a 13 inch laptop.


If you run into an asshole on one flight, you ran into an asshole. If you run into an asshole every time you fly, you're the asshole.
 
2014-07-07 12:06:22 AM
If I'm reading the article right, their solution is to voluntarily put yourself into a straitjacket.

Seems to me that putting the other folks in the row into straitjackets would be a better plan.
 
2014-07-07 12:43:56 AM
The larger issue here is that coach seating only has one armrest between seats.  If they built a plane wide enough to have six seats across with ten armrests, people wouldn't have to fight.

When the 787 came out, Boeing marketing went on about how great the plane was.

s1.ibtimes.com

Too wide for airlines to want to setup a 3×2×3 seat configuration with separate armrests, too narrow to be a 3×3×3 seat configuration with separate armrests.

Probably time to have the feds revisit minimum seat widths and space from seat to seatback.
 
2014-07-07 01:59:15 AM

carrion_luggage: Why not just have split-level armrests?


This seems like the best solution to me. Have an armrest with an S-shaped cross section between the seats. One seat gets the top shelf, other seat gets the bottom. Everybody wins.

Except people like me with really broad shoulders. 18" of shoulder width is for skinny bastards, little kids, and petite women. I have to hunch my arms in front of my chest awkwardly to avoid starting a confrontation with the people next to me, so I always try to secure a window seat so I can lean against the side of the fuselage and get a couple inches more room.
 
2014-07-07 08:30:49 AM
As a very frequent flyer, I can say with authority that the "no recline" crowd is right.

The "the airline gives me a button so I have the right to use it" argument is the most petulant and illogical libertarianist garbage there is.

You are forced to share this tiny space with those around you. The reclining is barely a "comfort" at all and yet it can ruin the flight for the person behind you. Laptops become unusable completely, taller folks can be uncomfortable to the point of pain.

The button is a relic of a time when there was significantly more space between the seat.

Someone above said that if there's an asshole on every flight, then you are the asshole. Over the years, reasonable, thinking people have gotten a clue and I've experienced fewer and fewer folks reclining their seats.

Please don't be "that guy". Think of Wheaton's Law and just leave your seat right where it is if there is a full grown adult behind you.
 
2014-07-07 08:54:13 AM

ryarger: As a very frequent flyer, I can say with authority that the "no recline" crowd is right.

The "the airline gives me a button so I have the right to use it" argument is the most petulant and illogical libertarianist garbage there is.

You are forced to share this tiny space with those around you. The reclining is barely a "comfort" at all and yet it can ruin the flight for the person behind you. Laptops become unusable completely, taller folks can be uncomfortable to the point of pain.

The button is a relic of a time when there was significantly more space between the seat.

Someone above said that if there's an asshole on every flight, then you are the asshole. Over the years, reasonable, thinking people have gotten a clue and I've experienced fewer and fewer folks reclining their seats.

Please don't be "that guy". Think of Wheaton's Law and just leave your seat right where it is if there is a full grown adult behind you.


The last time I travelled, the guy in front on me was about 6'6" and decided to put his seat back in my lap.  Combined with his height, his mop top was right in front of me.  One well aimed fake sneeze and he put that seat right back in it's upright position.

For the people asking before why is it a big deal since the seat only goes back a little bit, ask yourself why you want to put the seat in the recline postion if it only goes back a little bit?  I use to travel a lot for work and there is no difference in comfort in that little bit of a recline.  I would prefer the seat be moved back to offer more leg room than that they recline.
 
2014-07-07 09:11:48 AM

ryarger: Laptops become unusable completely,


If you are rocking some huge screened gaming laptop, maybePull the tray all the way out and a regular laptop works fine.

bluenote13: why you want to put the seat in the recline postion if it only goes back a little bit? I use to travel a lot for work and there is no difference in comfort in that little bit of a recline. I


BS.

It is the difference me beaing able to sleep and not wake up with a neck cramp.
 
2014-07-07 09:46:35 AM

liam76: If you are rocking some huge screened gaming laptop, maybePull the tray all the way out and a regular laptop works fine.


There is no way you've ever tried this. As soon as the seat in front of you goes down, the laptop can no longer be opened all the way, the screen is now half-closed at about a 45-50 degree angle. The only way to see the screen at that point is the tilt the laptop up so the the keyboard is pointing towards your head and you're effectively looking down at the screen. Of course, now typing involves hooking your hands over the edge of the keyboard in a very awkward position.

liam76: It is the difference me beaing able to sleep and not wake up with a neck cramp.


This is not typical. The good news is that the folks around you are human beings, just you like, and most of them are likely more considerate than you. Ask to swap with someone who has a child or empty seat behind them. THEN lean back and sleep to your heart's content.
 
2014-07-07 10:21:17 AM

ryarger: There is no way you've ever tried this. As soon as the seat in front of you goes down, the laptop can no longer be opened all the way, the screen is now half-closed at about a 45-50 degree angle.


I have a 12 inch laptop, last time I brought it for work I could see it and type fine while the seat in front of me was fully reclined, you just have to pull the food tray out as far as it can go.

If you can't do that, don't get mad at the person in front of you because your gut gets int he way.


ryarger: This is not typical.


Yeah it is, peopel recline because it is much more comfortable.
 
2014-07-07 10:29:47 AM
Maybe the guy in front of you had the person in front of him recline.....

I do check the person behind me before reclining and will generally only recline if that person has reclined their seat.

Yep getting early selection is key but is either expensive or takes a lot of travel.

Also use  http://www.seatguru.com
 
2014-07-07 12:28:41 PM

EvilEgg: The aisle guy gets the aisle armrest, the window guy gets the window armrest the middle guy gets both armrests to make up for being in the middle. This is the only equitable solution.


Jim Jefferies agrees.  NSFW language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyj8tUp4wf0
 
2014-07-07 01:06:37 PM

ryarger: As a very frequent flyer, I can say with authority that the "no recline" crowd is right.

The "the airline gives me a button so I have the right to use it" argument is the most petulant and illogical libertarianist garbage there is.

You are forced to share this tiny space with those around you. The reclining is barely a "comfort" at all and yet it can ruin the flight for the person behind you. Laptops become unusable completely, taller folks can be uncomfortable to the point of pain.

The button is a relic of a time when there was significantly more space between the seat.

Someone above said that if there's an asshole on every flight, then you are the asshole. Over the years, reasonable, thinking people have gotten a clue and I've experienced fewer and fewer folks reclining their seats.

Please don't be "that guy". Think of Wheaton's Law and just leave your seat right where it is if there is a full grown adult behind you.



Airplane seats recline.  If you don't want to deal with it then pay a few extra bucks to sit in a bulkhead or exit row, where either there are no seats in front of you or the seats in front of you can't recline.

And the recline is just a few inches, which can make an immense difference in comfort, especially if someone has back problems.
 
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