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2014-07-05 03:13:29 PM  
What about clergy?
 
2014-07-05 03:28:28 PM  
He said that spending Sundays with family and friends is an "ethical choice" for faithful and non-faithful alike.

No, you sanctimonious fool, it often isn't.  Not everyone can find another job readily - and if their job means Sunday hours, they do it.   You have a job for life with the purveyors of a ludicrous fantasy designed to be a career opportunity for the family idiot - a job, I might add, that works Sundays.
 
2014-07-05 05:10:27 PM  
I hate that I work in retail, where even holidays, like the 4th of July and Thanksgiving, are considered regular business days. In fact, I think the only holiday I've had off consistently is Christmas. I'd love to have Sunday's off and watch football. *sigh*
 
2014-07-05 07:11:08 PM  
Why does Pope Francis hate capitalism?
 
2014-07-05 07:11:11 PM  
I'm a chef. For the last 16 years I bet I've had fewer than a dozen Sundays off.
 
2014-07-05 07:12:30 PM  
See, this is where atheism gets it right. Pick your day and spend it however the fark you want. There's no "it's Sunday! I have some obligation to do this specific thing on this part of the completely illogical/made-up seven-day calendar." It's like youtube or netflix. Do what you want on your own goddamn schedule.
 
2014-07-05 07:14:18 PM  
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2014-07-05 07:17:52 PM  
I'm going to do like 9 hours tomorrow.  I don't do it every Sunday because I would rather be with the family but it's awful good on the savings account.

/double overtime ftw...
 
2014-07-05 07:19:56 PM  
I've worked Tuesday through Saturday for about 5 years now. It's awesome having my 'Sunday' where everything is open.
 
2014-07-05 07:22:04 PM  
Used to work in retail. Husband still does. If you work retail your Sunday is basically whenever you have a day off regardless of actual day.

Actual Sunday spent with customers telling me it sucks that they make you guys work Sundays. Yes, yes it does. Heaven forbid if some people couldn't look at paint samples for hours after church though.

/very rarely had any weekend day off.
//I was the only manager who would show up on time or at all consistently.
///sigh.
 
2014-07-05 07:28:49 PM  
When I used to work retail, everyone used to fight over the Sunday shifts because you got paid time-and-a-half here in MA.  I realize that's not how it works in a lot of other states in the US and a lot of people don't want to work Sundays, but some people don't mind it.  Trading Sunday for a day off during the week was a no brainer for me.  I got an extra four hours pay in my paycheck and practically everything is less busy during the week, from grocery stores to the beach, so my day off during the week was enjoyable.
 
2014-07-05 07:31:37 PM  

fusillade762: Why does Pope Francis hate capitalism?


Because he's a Christian.
 
2014-07-05 07:35:22 PM  

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//They see him Pope-in....They hatin'.
 
2014-07-05 07:42:16 PM  
Does this apply to cops, firefighters, city water/sewer/power workers?
 
2014-07-05 07:43:22 PM  

moothemagiccow: See, this is where atheism gets it right. Pick your day and spend it however the fark you want. There's no "it's Sunday! I have some obligation to do this specific thing on this part of the completely illogical/made-up seven-day calendar." It's like youtube or netflix. Do what you want on your own goddamn schedule.


It is kind of nice to have a specified day, such as A Sunday, when a large portion of people or friends are off at the same time. You know, in case you want to be social. Not sure if you atheist types are a social bunch or not.
Pope seems to forget that the sabbath is Saturday.

Fortunate to have weekends off.
 
2014-07-05 07:44:05 PM  
That's pretty much the attitude here. We used to have a lot of blue laws on the books which forbade retail stores from opening till 1 PM on Sunday, but by god those restaurants better be fired up and ready to serve lunch the moment church lets out. Of course it's not like those stores and (especially) restaurants could just unlock the doors and be ready for business. Those who worked there would have to work during church hours anyway opening and doing prep, defeating the purpose. The city council wised up a little bit since and loosened up.

/still won't let me buy booze on Sunday
 
2014-07-05 07:48:08 PM  
I have an intergalactic calendar that says tomorrow is Marklar,  what does your sky fairy's top representative have to say about that?

Sunday is only Sunday because it was designated as such when that version of the calendar was made up.

Your skyfairy,  if it exists, only cares that you go see him at one of the local franchises at least once a week and then spend the rest of that day with family and friends,  it doesn't have to be a Sunday.  It's just a point in time,  same as any other point in time.
 
2014-07-05 07:54:22 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: moothemagiccow: See, this is where atheism gets it right. Pick your day and spend it however the fark you want. There's no "it's Sunday! I have some obligation to do this specific thing on this part of the completely illogical/made-up seven-day calendar." It's like youtube or netflix. Do what you want on your own goddamn schedule.

It is kind of nice to have a specified day, such as A Sunday, when a large portion of people or friends are off at the same time. You know, in case you want to be social. Not sure if you atheist types are a social bunch or not.
Pope seems to forget that the sabbath is Saturday.

Fortunate to have weekends off.


This made think to do a gis for a venn diagram of neckbeards and atheists,  and did not find any.  =(  Seems like there'd be a lot of overlap to me.
 
2014-07-05 07:57:45 PM  
What part of "Keep the Sabbath Holy" do Christians not understand? If God had told you to keep Tuesday holy would you think it was okay to instead keep Friday holy? He gave you a specific farking day to keep holy and you can't even manage to get that right.
 
2014-07-05 07:57:56 PM  
What are we supposed to do all day if everything is closed?

// Other than watch football, obviously.
 
2014-07-05 08:16:22 PM  
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2014-07-05 08:26:14 PM  
But Saturday is the Sabbath...
 
2014-07-05 08:29:47 PM  

Boo_Guy: I have an intergalactic calendar that says tomorrow is Marklar,  what does your sky fairy's top representative have to say about that?

Sunday is only Sunday because it was designated as such when that version of the calendar was made up.

Your skyfairy,  if it exists, only cares that you go see him at one of the local franchises at least once a week and then spend the rest of that day with family and friends,  it doesn't have to be a Sunday.  It's just a point in time,  same as any other point in time.


You are correct, Sir.  The old dudes that came up with the 6/1 system realized it was a good thing for connection.  Yeah, lots of argument of WHEN the 1 is. But agreement on what it is for.
 
2014-07-05 08:44:31 PM  
Having spent time in customer service (retail and waiting tables), I am absolutely fine with telling the after-church lunch crowd to fark off because we value family time.

"Oh hi, we want a table of 8, with a cup of coffee each since you do have unlimited refills. We don't tip, and we'll leave about 3pm. Oh, and expect to get lectured about how sinful it is that you're working on the Lord's day."
 
2014-07-05 08:50:05 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Having spent time in customer service (retail and waiting tables), I am absolutely fine with telling the after-church lunch crowd to fark off because we value family time.

"Oh hi, we want a table of 8, with a cup of coffee each since you do have unlimited refills. We don't tip, and we'll leave about 3pm. Oh, and expect to get lectured about how sinful it is that you're working on the Lord's day."


I tip extra well on Sundays. My theory is you would prefer to be home and you might remember next time I come in.
 
2014-07-05 08:53:46 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Having spent time in customer service (retail and waiting tables), I am absolutely fine with telling the after-church lunch crowd to fark off because we value family time.

"Oh hi, we want a table of 8, with a cup of coffee each since you do have unlimited refills. We don't tip, and we'll leave about 3pm. Oh, and expect to get lectured about how sinful it is that you're working on the Lord's day."


This.

I can't tell you how many times I've worked on a Sunday and a church goer would comment on me wearing a cross. It would end with something snarky about me working on a Sunday.

Actually the cross was a gift from my grandfather to my grandmother. She wore it everyday all day until chemo and surgeries came up. She asked me to wear it until she could again. I've worn it everyday since I was 11. I am 27 now. She died when I was 13.

But you know thanks for turning it into something about how much I hate Jesus.

/it does come off for minor cleaning and repair.
//still miss her.
 
2014-07-05 08:59:32 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: I tip extra well on Sundays. My theory is you would prefer to be home and you might remember next time I come in.


I like you.

The best and/or worst tip I got was from a church group. No money, no tip on the credit card slips, just a church card with the words "Rejoice, for today your soul has been saved". I've never gotten a Get-Out -of Hell-Free card before.

When I die, I want to be buried with it.

"Look here, big man. One of YOUR PEOPLE gave this to me. I'm cashing it in. Give me my wings and halo right now!"
 
2014-07-05 09:16:19 PM  
What about Saturdays, why can't I have Saturdays off, because, well...
 
2014-07-05 09:57:21 PM  

raerae1980: I hate that I work in retail, where even holidays, like the 4th of July and Thanksgiving, are considered regular business days. In fact, I think the only holiday I've had off consistently is Christmas. I'd love to have Sunday's off and watch football. *sigh*


That's just kind of part of the deal for having a retail job.
 
2014-07-05 10:00:51 PM  
I'm all for closing things down for one day a week.  Scheduling a day for yourself and family, is a good thing.  All else fails, take a nap and get ready for the rest of the week.
 
2014-07-05 10:04:40 PM  

BMFPitt: What are we supposed to do all day if everything is closed?

// Other than watch football, obviously.


How, while a fun job football is a job.  Not to mention all the people who also have to work to allow you to see it.  We can't let this maniac take our football.
 
2014-07-05 10:06:32 PM  

davidphogan: raerae1980: I hate that I work in retail, where even holidays, like the 4th of July and Thanksgiving, are considered regular business days. In fact, I think the only holiday I've had off consistently is Christmas. I'd love to have Sunday's off and watch football. *sigh*

That's just kind of part of the deal for having a retail job.


Those people you are watching/listening to on the moving picture box are ALSO working. No work on Sundays means no NFL.
 
2014-07-05 10:16:14 PM  
For the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
 
2014-07-05 10:23:32 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: He said that spending Sundays with family and friends is an "ethical choice" for faithful and non-faithful alike.

No, you sanctimonious fool, it often isn't.  Not everyone can find another job readily - and if their job means Sunday hours, they do it.   You have a job for life with the purveyors of a ludicrous fantasy designed to be a career opportunity for the family idiot - a job, I might add, that works Sundays.


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Hard to say without more context, but I'm guessing he probably wasn't saying you're a bad person if you work Sundays. He's not exactly known for being insensitive to issues of economic hardship.
 
2014-07-05 10:36:59 PM  

lack of warmth: I'm all for closing things down for one day a week.  Scheduling a day for yourself and family, is a good thing.  All else fails, take a nap and get ready for the rest of the week.


In reality that sounds nice, but what do we shut down? Police? Doctors?
 
2014-07-05 10:41:51 PM  
I work in healthcare.  Should we close emergency rooms on Sundays?
 
2014-07-05 10:47:44 PM  
The current pope has said more stupid shiat than any other pope I can think of. Why doesn't he shut his yap and stick to doing popey things?
 
2014-07-05 10:52:52 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: He said that spending Sundays with family and friends is an "ethical choice" for faithful and non-faithful alike.

No, you sanctimonious fool, it often isn't.  Not everyone can find another job readily - and if their job means Sunday hours, they do it.   You have a job for life with the purveyors of a ludicrous fantasy designed to be a career opportunity for the family idiot - a job, I might add, that works Sundays.


Well. No specification for whose family or whose friends.
 
2014-07-05 10:54:24 PM  

raerae1980: I hate that I work in retail, where even holidays, like the 4th of July and Thanksgiving, are considered regular business days. In fact, I think the only holiday I've had off consistently is Christmas. I'd love to have Sunday's off and watch football. *sigh*


This is the first I've heard of a state that doesn't pay time and a half. Or are you outside of the US?
 
2014-07-05 11:13:03 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: globalwarmingpraiser: I tip extra well on Sundays. My theory is you would prefer to be home and you might remember next time I come in.

I like you.

The best and/or worst tip I got was from a church group. No money, no tip on the credit card slips, just a church card with the words "Rejoice, for today your soul has been saved". I've never gotten a Get-Out -of Hell-Free card before.

When I die, I want to be buried with it.

"Look here, big man. One of YOUR PEOPLE gave this to me. I'm cashing it in. Give me my wings and halo right now!"


Christian's, especially ones that have been blessed monetarily, should happily tip, give to charity, and otherwise use that to make the world a little better. Admittedly, when I was younger, I was generous to single moms as well, so I don't know where Jesus stands on that.
 
2014-07-05 11:21:02 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Christian's Everyone, especially ones that have been blessed monetarily, should happily tip, give to charity, and otherwise use that to make the world a little better.


FTFY
 
2014-07-05 11:32:54 PM  

FizixJunkee: globalwarmingpraiser: Christian's Everyone, especially ones that have been blessed monetarily, should happily tip, give to charity, and otherwise use that to make the world a little better.

FTFY


I happen to agree, but if you say you believe in and accept salvation, the best witness you can give is to be kind, happy, and generous. Going out and being a preachy asshole is a surefire way to make sure someone has no desire to believe. In other words, try to act Christlike. We all fall short, so as a believer I am on the same level as the most Atheistic Atheist that ever Atheisted. I know better than to think I am better. I still like boobs and am a lustful smartass.
 
2014-07-05 11:41:59 PM  

Xetal: I work in healthcare.  Should we close emergency rooms on Sundays?


Yes, that's clearly what he intended. This seemingly innocuous advice that a collective day of rest is a social good is actually a nefarious conspiracy to expedite more souls into the afterlife, in order for the clergy to collect more honorariums for funeral rites.

That. Cunning. Bastard.

And he would have gotten away with it, too, if not for your razor-sharp critical reasoning skills zeroing in on the one gaping plot-hole in his cover story.

Feel good about that.
 
2014-07-06 12:00:28 AM  

davidphogan: lack of warmth: I'm all for closing things down for one day a week.  Scheduling a day for yourself and family, is a good thing.  All else fails, take a nap and get ready for the rest of the week.

In reality that sounds nice, but what do we shut down? Police? Doctors?


Well, for those who are Christian, Christ tackled this very thing.  The Pharisees were upset that some of the disciples of Christ committed an offense in their eyes by doing a minor labor on the Sabbath by harvesting enough corn to eat.  Christ explained to them how necessary work must take place, especially if it could mean someone, or in the example he used, an animal could die.  His main point was the weekly day of worship wasn't for God, but rather people need one day of resting, socializing, and for the religious, a day of worship.  It's just healthier to have one day a week to not be stressed, in a rush, and enjoy what you have.  Especially with those who actually like being around you.

As for those who's job cannot be shut down on the same day of the week, at least let them rotate Sunday's off to catch up with their kids when they don't have a lot of other stuff going on.  Those folks who need to work because something horrible could happen, I appreciate them.  It would be nice if idiots would take a day off from hurting themselves, but that's the world we have.

/I leave the retailers and restaurants alone on Sundays
//One Superbowl Sunday, I got pulled over by a trooper while I was on my way to pick my wife up from work, during the game.  The cop was particularly grumpy, but I didn't do anything wrong and proved my case well enough to him.  He was pissed he couldn't write me a ticket, and threw my documents at me.  He had claimed I ran a red, when I was making a slow left turn as the light turned yellow during my turn.  Maybe he got the next Superbowl Sunday off, and relaxed a little.
 
2014-07-06 12:07:20 AM  
I will add something else, I get why church folk likes to go eat out after church services, but they are being lazy about it.  I recall a time, and I'm sure others here do as well, recall a time when Sunday dinners were shared with other church members in homes.  One of my more fond memories was a lady, who we barely knew, invited us over.  The food was great, but the best part was the first time I really liked being in the company of an older person.  Bring back those dinners in the homes and leave the restaurants alone, and teach kids to understand people don't lose value as they turn gray.
 
2014-07-06 12:17:45 AM  

Xetal: I work in healthcare.  Should we close emergency rooms on Sundays?


nobody ever suggested that. 

Mark 12:
9Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue,  10and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to bring charges against Jesus, they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"
11He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?  12How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."

 
I think the pope is suggesting that if you dont HAVE to work on sunday then it would be nice if you took a day off to spend enjoying the world and friends and family. If you need to work then fine. Go for it -- no foul. But if your job is not essential and you can afford or are able to take a day off without ruining your life then its good for you.

Whats wrong with that? Hes not telling you to go sit still in a dark room and let your family go hungry. Hes saying "Hey -- maybe we dont need to be out buying and selling things at the mall all 7 days of the week."
 
2014-07-06 12:26:25 AM  

lack of warmth: I will add something else, I get why church folk likes to go eat out after church services, but they are being lazy about it.  I recall a time, and I'm sure others here do as well, recall a time when Sunday dinners were shared with other church members in homes.  One of my more fond memories was a lady, who we barely knew, invited us over.  The food was great, but the best part was the first time I really liked being in the company of an older person.  Bring back those dinners in the homes and leave the restaurants alone, and teach kids to understand people don't lose value as they turn gray.


yeah i know some people really hardcore about keeping the sabbath -- they would NOT be out in a restaurant on that day. They got all the food ready before sundown and then on the sabbath they all had a potluck at the church or someones house. It was nice -- casseroles and turkey dinner and fixings made by a bunch of old churchy ladies who had been cooking every day of their lives? SUPER TASTY. And all us kids would spend the day without TV or video games. We went outside. To enjoy gods creation. Not a bad way to spend a day.
 
2014-07-06 01:15:25 AM  

lack of warmth: davidphogan: lack of warmth: I'm all for closing things down for one day a week.  Scheduling a day for yourself and family, is a good thing.  All else fails, take a nap and get ready for the rest of the week.

In reality that sounds nice, but what do we shut down? Police? Doctors?

Well, for those who are Christian, Christ tackled this very thing.  The Pharisees were upset that some of the disciples of Christ committed an offense in their eyes by doing a minor labor on the Sabbath by harvesting enough corn to eat.  Christ explained to them how necessary work must take place, especially if it could mean someone, or in the example he used, an animal could die.  His main point was the weekly day of worship wasn't for God, but rather people need one day of resting, socializing, and for the religious, a day of worship.  It's just healthier to have one day a week to not be stressed, in a rush, and enjoy what you have.  Especially with those who actually like being around you.

As for those who's job cannot be shut down on the same day of the week, at least let them rotate Sunday's off to catch up with their kids when they don't have a lot of other stuff going on.  Those folks who need to work because something horrible could happen, I appreciate them.  It would be nice if idiots would take a day off from hurting themselves, but that's the world we have.

/I leave the retailers and restaurants alone on Sundays
//One Superbowl Sunday, I got pulled over by a trooper while I was on my way to pick my wife up from work, during the game.  The cop was particularly grumpy, but I didn't do anything wrong and proved my case well enough to him.  He was pissed he couldn't write me a ticket, and threw my documents at me.  He had claimed I ran a red, when I was making a slow left turn as the light turned yellow during my turn.  Maybe he got the next Superbowl Sunday off, and relaxed a little.


Makes sense, but I also have lots of friends who work Sundays who get Monday-Tuesday off.  If just a day off is enough why shut down businesses at all?
 
2014-07-06 02:28:06 AM  
How does he think it is any of his business when I work?
 
2014-07-06 06:04:40 AM  
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Boo_Guy: I have an intergalactic calendar that says tomorrow is Marklar,  what does your sky fairy's top representative have to say about that?

Sunday is only Sunday because it was designated as such when that version of the calendar was made up.

Your skyfairy,  if it exists, only cares that you go see him at one of the local franchises at least once a week and then spend the rest of that day with family and friends,  it doesn't have to be a Sunday.  It's just a point in time,  same as any other point in time.


Sun Day
Moon Day
Tiu's Day
Woden's Day
Thor's Day
Freya Day
Saturn Day

In modern English, Tiu is called Tyr and Woden is called Odin, but the old forms survive in the etymology of the day names.  Friday is ambiguous; another variation derives as Frigga Day.
 
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