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2014-07-05 02:08:23 PM  
Laws like these only serve to make sex offenders homeless, harder to track, and more apt to reoffend.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-05 02:09:15 PM  
Massachusetts added felon disenfranchisement to the state constitution after prisoners formed a PAC. Except it wasn't labeled "disenfranchisement" because that term is now reserved for Democrats attacking Republicans in partisan politics.
There are a lot of sex offender ordinances here and I'm surprised none has reached the Supreme Court.
 
2014-07-05 02:35:21 PM  

ArkAngel: Laws like these only serve to make sex offenders homeless, harder to track, and more apt to reoffend.


I came here to say this.  If we cared about the chilluns (which is why we have laws like this in the first place) we would make sure sex offenders (and all criminals, really) who have paid their debt to society have a decent shot at rehabilitating and re-integrating in order to prevent future sex offenses.

Or lock them up for life ($50k a year, minus chronic and end-of-life medical care).
 
2014-07-05 02:39:56 PM  
They are just defending the 19-year olds who had sex with their 17-year old girlfriends while taking a whiz in an alley, I am sure.
 
2014-07-05 03:55:03 PM  
I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.
 
2014-07-05 04:39:39 PM  
Congratulations, as a kid yourself, you sexted a picture of your girlfriend or as an adult, peed behind a bar. You get to live under a bridge. If you are lucky.
 
2014-07-05 04:42:39 PM  
Hero tag broken or are we scared that these laws exist in the first place?
 
2014-07-05 04:45:27 PM  
I'm generally opposed to the concept of 'perpetual punishment.'  If someone's done their time in prison, then their slate is clean and deserve to be treated the same as everyone else.
 
2014-07-05 04:48:11 PM  
We really should analyze laws that treat people who pee in a public place, people who sleep with someone somewhat drunk and people who rape infants as the same level of criminal.
 
2014-07-05 04:50:53 PM  

Infernalist: I'm generally opposed to the concept of 'perpetual punishment.'  If someone's done their time in prison, then their slate is clean and deserve to be treated the same as everyone else.


Not quite. I do agree in principal. They need some special looking at once and awhile, and maybe more attention paid to the likelihood of re-offense, but to be thrown from society as a whole, no matter the offense, is STUPID
 
2014-07-05 04:51:02 PM  
They still have civil rights, dumbassmitter.
 
2014-07-05 04:51:11 PM  
The sex offender list seems like and unusual punishment to me. O, you did your time? Let me just put you on this list that makes it next to impossible to find a job or a place to live for the rest of your life.
 
2014-07-05 04:52:33 PM  

AirForceVet: I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.


Indeed. It makes zero sense to release someone to society and then make it impossible for that person to function constructively in society. Either lock them up forever or give them a good shot at being productive.

A person needs to feel that they have something to lose, or they'll have no rational reason to be concerned about consequences.
 
2014-07-05 04:53:23 PM  

Fark It: I came here to say this.  If we cared about the chilluns (which is why we have laws like this in the first place) we would make sure sex offenders (and all criminals, really) who have paid their debt to society have a decent shot at rehabilitating and re-integrating in order to prevent future sex offenses.


This. If you make them permanent outcasts after releasing them, what choice do they really have but to turn to crime? Not to mention that these laws can effect a broader range of sex crimes, not just violent rape.
 
2014-07-05 04:59:32 PM  

AirForceVet: I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.


We should. The second DUI should get 10 years in prison (provided nobody was hurt and nothing got damaged), and the third should get being burned alive in front of City Hall.

The same for thieves.

Murderers, on the ther hand, should be given a medal and a lifelong pension for helping to reduce the population and thereby save the Earth.
 
2014-07-05 05:02:30 PM  

AirForceVet: I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.


Tree rope sex offender, some assembly required.
 
2014-07-05 05:03:19 PM  
Hey, do I see people talking about sex offenders, including perhaps pedophiles, as if they were human?

On Fark?

OH MY.
 
2014-07-05 05:03:53 PM  

LaBlueSkuld: We really should analyze laws that treat people who pee in a public place, people who sleep with someone somewhat drunk and people who rape infants as the same level of criminal.


Never quite got how peeing in public could even be lumped into the same segment unless, of course, you are going out of your way to show off.  Most people who really have to urinate still take the time to find a tree/bush/dumpster/etc.
 
2014-07-05 05:04:24 PM  
California Reform Sex Offender Laws is lobbying for the state to create a tiered registry that distinguishes between the severity of the offenses.

I'm surprised this hasn't been done already.


The One True TheDavid: AirForceVet: I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.

We should. The second DUI should get 10 years in prison (provided nobody was hurt and nothing got damaged), and the third should get being burned alive in front of City Hall.

The same for thieves.

Murderers, on the ther hand, should be given a medal and a lifelong pension for helping to reduce the population and thereby save the Earth.


So if you kill someone accidentally you get the stake but if you do it on purpose you get a medal?
 
2014-07-05 05:04:59 PM  
Pedos are people too!

LOL @ Fark
 
2014-07-05 05:05:36 PM  
Larry Kleist: Rapist

^ Obligatory Mr. Show
 
2014-07-05 05:07:22 PM  
I'll advocate for the tiered system as mentioned in the article.  Some sex offenders shouldn't be allowed within 100 miles of civilization, but the dude who took a leak in the park or banged his 17yo girlfriend at 19?  They should be able to live wherever they want.  They shouldn't be sex offenders at all, but that's another thread.
 
2014-07-05 05:08:54 PM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: AirForceVet: I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.

Tree rope sex offender, some assembly required.


So the 18 year old sleeping with his 17 year old girl needs to die.

gotcha
 
2014-07-05 05:09:39 PM  

MrEricSir: Larry Kleist: Rapist

^ Obligatory Mr. Show


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2014-07-05 05:10:08 PM  

The One True TheDavid: AirForceVet: I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.

We should. The second DUI should get 10 years in prison (provided nobody was hurt and nothing got damaged), and the third should get being burned alive in front of City Hall.

The same for thieves.

Murderers, on the ther hand, should be given a medal and a lifelong pension for helping to reduce the population and thereby save the Earth.


so your half-Islamic?
 
2014-07-05 05:10:18 PM  
Fark
It's not news... It's free candy
 
2014-07-05 05:14:03 PM  

ArkAngel: Laws like these only serve to make sex offenders homeless, harder to track, and more apt to reoffend.


Citation needed.
 
2014-07-05 05:18:28 PM  
Somebody had a solution for the sex offender problem.
 
2014-07-05 05:19:37 PM  

AirForceVet: I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.


Exactly. Imagine if author Anne Perry was told she could not live within X number of miles of middle-aged women, since she had murdered one, or x number of miles of teenagers since she had engaged in criminal activities with one. And she would be told whenever a teenager or middle-aged woman moved into that vicinity that she had x number of days to move to a new address.
 
2014-07-05 05:21:49 PM  

itsaidwhat: ArkAngel: Laws like these only serve to make sex offenders homeless, harder to track, and more apt to reoffend.

Citation needed.


Here's a good place to start. (#5 on the list.)

And if you're allergic to Cracked, here's an actual news article.
 
2014-07-05 05:22:30 PM  
My mother is a pastor. For years she has called sex offenders the modern day lepers. We call them sick but don't try to heal them. We drive them into the wilderness, into the neighborhoods good people already avoid and in the end make it even more dangerous for everyone.

She was abused as a girl and still thinks that if Jesus returned today he'd be healing sex offenders and would probably be crucified for trying to end the offenders lists. Defending sex offenders is often seen as worse than committing murders. If given the choice many people would rather have a murderer than a defender of sex offenders walking around.
 
2014-07-05 05:23:41 PM  

jshine: AirForceVet: I'm okay with this.

IMHO, sex offenders are being subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. I don't see websites dedicated to tracking murderers, thieves, DUI offenders, etc.

Indeed. It makes zero sense to release someone to society and then make it impossible for that person to function constructively in society. Either lock them up forever or give them a good shot at being productive.

A person needs to feel that they have something to lose, or they'll have no rational reason to be concerned about consequences.


Agreed.
 
2014-07-05 05:23:53 PM  

RoyBatty: Congratulations, as a kid yourself, you sexted a picture of your girlfriend or as an adult, peed behind a bar. You get to live under a bridge. If you are lucky.


This. Maybe they should have different classes of felony  sex offender. As many times as I've peed behind, on the side of a bar I would probably be facing life!
 
2014-07-05 05:23:53 PM  

Piizzadude: I do agree in principal


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2014-07-05 05:27:57 PM  
Remember a similar story a few years back. Sex offenders were unable to find a home, so psychiatrist placed them in a large group home and attempted to have them all declared as mentally incompetent. If memory serves me correctly, he initially succeeded in getting them all SSI Disability benefits until it was discovered that he was the physician that had written letters on all their behalf, but had failed to mention their 'disability' was pedophilia. So aim high, kids... Because apparently forcibly raping men, women and farking kids might mean a lucrative career and a paycheck.
 
2014-07-05 05:28:11 PM  
"We have a boy on the registry because he streaked at his high school.  That's a sex offense.  We had a 16-year-old girl who took a nude selfie and shared it with some students at her high school, she's on the registry," said Bellucci.

More zero tolerance nonsense?
 
2014-07-05 05:32:05 PM  

SundaesChild: They are just defending the 19-year olds who had sex with their 17-year old girlfriends while taking a whiz in an alley, I am sure.


Doesn't matter. "Sex offender" doesn't automatically mean "child molester".
 
2014-07-05 05:33:34 PM  
As many others have already noted, most sex offender laws are just for show and do little to keep people safe.

If police are required to check up on low and medium risk offenders, it means less time to check up on high risk offenders or to perform other routine police work.  And the "our taxes are too high" crowd will ensure that there aren't enough police to do the job thoroughly.

Also, public lists are just a modern day scarlet letter.  They just stir up the local rabble.  Your kid is more likely to be molested by somebody they already know than the perv who moved in a block over.  If their prison sentence is over, then it is over.

if somebody is so sick that they're guaranteed to recommit, then declare them a ward of the state and lock them away for life.


itsaidwhat: Citation needed.


Google "sex offenders forced to be homeless".  About half of the articles discuss the complications.  From one article in particular:

Before the residency restrictions brought by Jessica's Law eight years ago, 88 paroled sex offenders were registered as transient in California. Within five years, that number spiraled to 1,986.

That means that one-third of sex parolees are transient, making them difficult to track even with GPS monitoring bracelets.

"It's outrageously high. It's one of our biggest gaps in public safety," said Tom Tobin, vice chairman of the California Sex Offender Management Board. "There's not a shred of research that supports residence restrictions."
 
2014-07-05 05:34:10 PM  

Fark It: ArkAngel: Laws like these only serve to make sex offenders homeless, harder to track, and more apt to reoffend.

I came here to say this.  If we cared about the chilluns (which is why we have laws like this in the first place) we would make sure sex offenders (and all criminals, really) who have paid their debt to society have a decent shot at rehabilitating and re-integrating in order to prevent future sex offenses.

Or lock them up for life ($50k a year, minus chronic and end-of-life medical care).


Indeed.  Either everyone gets a life sentence, or else there needs to be ways for people to reintegrate into society.  Making it so they essentially can't use any public facilities and can't live anywhere legally is not the way to do that.

But hey, gotta be "tough on crime" to get re-elected...

Meanwhile yes they need to make some distinction on severity of offense.  If someone is truly that dangerous, maybe they should be locked up a good long time (rather than tossed on the street but unable to live anywhere).  Selfie-girl, Streaker Boy, and Public Urination man, on the other hand, probably shouldn't be on any list at all.
 
2014-07-05 05:34:33 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: The sex offender list seems like and unusual punishment to me. O, you did your time? Let me just put you on this list that makes it next to impossible to find a job or a place to live for the rest of your life.


Seriously. Give them life in prison, execute them, confine them to institutions, whatever. Once they're out, though, leave them the hell alone.

The problem, though, is that we see them as having an uncurable illness that makes them commit the worst of crimes. The crimes they commit, though, have relatively short sentences. What's to be done? Are we wrong? Can a sex offender return to a normal life, or are they doomed to rape their way through life? I don't know the answer. I only know that the list is cruel and unusual punishment. Hell, for that matter, our prisons are cruel and unusual punishment as well.
 
2014-07-05 05:36:30 PM  

The One True TheDavid: The second DUI should get 10 years in prison (provided nobody was hurt and nothing got damaged), and the third should get being burned alive in front of City Hall.

The same for thieves.

Murderers, on the ther hand, should be given a medal and a lifelong pension for helping to reduce the population and thereby save the Earth.


Why not have the murderers murder the DUI folks?

Or better yet .... put all the DUI folks behind the wheel in a big arena.  Autoduel to the death .... last one standing gets a pardon.

You could film it and use the proceeds to pay for prisons or feed homeless orphans or something.

Hey ... even if we don't do this for real .... I bet you could make a really kick-ass sci-film about it.
 
2014-07-05 05:40:26 PM  

Ed Grubermann: SundaesChild: They are just defending the 19-year olds who had sex with their 17-year old girlfriends while taking a whiz in an alley, I am sure.

Doesn't matter. "Sex offender" doesn't automatically mean "child molester".


Did you see anything in my post to suggest that it did?
 
2014-07-05 05:40:36 PM  

ZeroIdea: LaBlueSkuld: We really should analyze laws that treat people who pee in a public place, people who sleep with someone somewhat drunk and people who rape infants as the same level of criminal.

Never quite got how peeing in public could even be lumped into the same segment unless, of course, you are going out of your way to show off.  Most people who really have to urinate still take the time to find a tree/bush/dumpster/etc.


It's the idea that you're exposing your naughty bits to the public, coupled with the idea that if you gave a pass to people who were just trying to urinate, everyone caught exposing themself would claim they only did it because they had to pee.  Add in "for the children!" hysteria and "zero tolerance" derpitude, and you've got a potent mix.
 
2014-07-05 05:45:54 PM  

stirfrybry: Pedos are people too!

LOL @ Fark


Yes they are. Or are you one of those idiots who doesn't know the difference between "pedophile" and "child molester"? Not all pedos are molesters and not all molesters are pedos. And everyone is entitled to fair treatment under the law. Do hate America, or just the Constitution?
 
2014-07-05 05:50:10 PM  

SundaesChild: Ed Grubermann: SundaesChild: They are just defending the 19-year olds who had sex with their 17-year old girlfriends while taking a whiz in an alley, I am sure.

Doesn't matter. "Sex offender" doesn't automatically mean "child molester".

Did you see anything in my post to suggest that it did?


Other than your tone?
 
2014-07-05 05:52:59 PM  
There is one way to avoid the sex offender list and the ramifications for your life if you qualify to have to continually register on it -- suicide.
 
2014-07-05 05:57:17 PM  
Even the mother of the child Megan's Law was named after disagrees with what it has become.  Many in the US like things candy coated and scary things hidden away from view.  Hide enough trash in basement and soon it will stink up the whole house.  Properly deal with things you intend to dispose of and you realize many things can be reused.

Icee(TM) Story Bro time

Worked as an Employment Placement Specialist at a non-profit whose purpose was to work with offenders to better their lives through gainful employment.  Clientele ranged from petty shoplifters to murderers and rapists.  Trust me when I say that most of the sexual offenders are aware of how society views them and view themselves in a similar brutal manner.  A few are little more than uncaged dingos waiting to snatch a baby (not literally - but you get the point).

The trick is get them to understand they have to focus on selling their skills.  To use an analogy, they are the dented can of corn in the supermarket.  People will still buy it but not if they think the product itself is risky or tainted.  (By the way, the WORST offense to have on your record when applying for a job is EMBEZZLEMENT.  Think about it - you are applying for employment after you have been convicted of stealing from a previous employer)

The chances of the perpetrator to re-offend is related to the proximity of knowing the victim.  Sister/brother - little chance with productive therapy sessions.  Joe who hangs out near the elementary school yard with missing puppy posters and boxes of candy bars the back of his windowless van - very high chance of repeating the offense.

Before I left, I assist with those with criminal records of all stripes find gainful employment.  I also witnessed many that failed.  Usually the outcome depended on the effort and the perspective of the client.

End Cool and Refreshing Icee(TM) Story Bro

On a side note - having an individual go door-to-door stating they are sexual offender is a HORRIBLE idea.  It is like working in an office environment with a guy who everyone knows prefers backdoor after suddenly comes out publicly.  Before everyone know and had the choice of whether or not to care.  Coming out publicly forces a reaction.  Have a website with easy to find information.  Include some useful information on how NOT to be a knee-jerk activist.  Include a sign-up list that people can submit their email address to if they wish to be notified of someone moving into their area that fits a certain severity level (raping kids - I want to know.  Raping hamsters - I do not need to know.  Raping kids with hamsters - I need to know what they use the hamster for)

/the transformers popped for prostition were usually hilarious to talk to
 
2014-07-05 05:58:08 PM  
i.imgur.com

Civil rights groups exist only because civil rights get abused.
 
2014-07-05 05:59:18 PM  

Ed Grubermann: SundaesChild: Ed Grubermann: SundaesChild: They are just defending the 19-year olds who had sex with their 17-year old girlfriends while taking a whiz in an alley, I am sure.

Doesn't matter. "Sex offender" doesn't automatically mean "child molester".

Did you see anything in my post to suggest that it did?

Other than your tone?


I was merely predicting how this thread would go. And I was largely successful.

As it happens, I do believe sex offenders should have advocates. Not because wee, go child molesters! But because the best hope for lowering the recidivism rate is to figure out how to treat them, not just incarcerate them and then release them and then make it impossible to live or work anywhere or have something resembling a normal life.
 
2014-07-05 06:06:26 PM  
People in this civil rights group are guaranteed to be one of the following: never been a victim or known someone to be a victim of sexual offense, they are relatives/friends of said sex offenders, or they are mindless idiots blindly following a cause they have no idea about because of something dumb like peer pressure. I'm willing to bet that covers the groups attributes righ there, for the most part.
 
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