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(Yahoo)   Scientist claims by 2045 top species on Earth will no longer be human. Same dude also predicts that could be a problem. Gee, ya think?   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 61
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2014-07-05 03:07:29 PM  
I, for one, salute our future AI overlords, who are at this very moment carefully gathering intel about which meatwads to retain as loyal servitors!

how do i tell if this thing is completely turned off and disconnected?can it still see me and read my lips??
 
2014-07-05 03:22:50 PM  
I welcome the opportunity to be a Love Machine!
 
2014-07-05 04:01:28 PM  
well, that guy was all over the place. he says its not a terminator scenario, then goes on to basically postulate a terminator scenario but spends a lot of the time explaining how i could become an immortal cyborg as a side effect of the machine revolution (which sounds awesome.)
 
2014-07-05 04:03:45 PM  

Prey4reign: I welcome the opportunity to be a Love Machine!


Who will you work for?
 
2014-07-05 04:05:20 PM  
dorkshelf.com
 
2014-07-05 04:05:39 PM  
Meh. Things never progress as fast as people think they will. According to people in the 1950s, the robots should have taken over 20 years ago.
 
2014-07-05 04:06:26 PM  
If it bleeds, we can kill it.
 
2014-07-05 04:11:44 PM  

tlchwi02: well, that guy was all over the place. he says its not a terminator scenario, then goes on to basically postulate a terminator scenario but spends a lot of the time explaining how i could become an immortal cyborg as a side effect of the machine revolution (which sounds awesome.)


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-05 04:12:37 PM  
Wouldn't it be great if the singularity happened, and johnny 5 was just all "Sup? Lets smoke some digital chron broseph. By the way, I just designed a faster than light engine. Lets go check out the stars 'n shiat."

Why don't we ever see that scifi movie?
 
2014-07-05 04:14:32 PM  
I don't know what he's going on about, but it is interesting to speculate on technological advances 30 years into the future. Think of where we were when at the Moon Landing in 1969 and then fast forward to 1999. Besides Prince ruling over all, it was a massive leap in capability. And think from 1939 to 1969. So the world, if we haven't farked it up beyond repair by then, will be massively different and yet the same in 2044. Though, what form...?
 
2014-07-05 04:19:47 PM  
Obviously we won't be the dominant species.  By then the Canada geese will have subjugated the human race.
 
2014-07-05 04:22:32 PM  
Ants....?
...*checks*....
Robots...really?

How about robot ants?
 
2014-07-05 04:30:31 PM  
 
2014-07-05 04:44:51 PM  
I'm more inclined to think that the world will closely resemble the world from the Ghost in the Shell universe.
 
2014-07-05 04:48:55 PM  

bingethinker: Meh. Things never progress as fast as people think they will. According to people in the 1950s, the robots should have taken over 20 years ago.


What makes you think they didn't?

/*adjusts foil*
 
2014-07-05 04:53:59 PM  

tlchwi02: well, that guy was all over the place. he says its not a terminator scenario, then goes on to basically postulate a terminator scenario but spends a lot of the time explaining how i could become an immortal cyborg as a side effect of the machine revolution (which sounds awesome.)


static.bbc.co.uk
 
2014-07-05 04:56:15 PM  
Forget about the "singularity" where computer programs become self-interested and able to improve their "intelligence".

The world is approaching a fundamental transition to a society where most work is performed by automation and there will be no "real" jobs for the vast majority of people. The function of most people's lives will just be to serve as consumers. Sure there will be a lot of "make work" work. What do you think things like "personal fitness coach" are now?
 
2014-07-05 05:01:06 PM  

Ishkur: tlchwi02: well, that guy was all over the place. he says its not a terminator scenario, then goes on to basically postulate a terminator scenario but spends a lot of the time explaining how i could become an immortal cyborg as a side effect of the machine revolution (which sounds awesome.)

[static.bbc.co.uk image 608x342]


i have no idea what that is, but it looks pretty rocking
 
2014-07-05 05:03:51 PM  
Heh. One of the "related articles" was an update on Cyc. They started that project in 1984, with a ten-year timeline. I remember seeing their ad for "ontological engineers"; I was seriously tempted, but I was still working on my degree, and had no interest in moving to Texas. They published an article in CACM in 1990, indicating that they were about halfway done. They published another one in 1995; I don't remember the details, but I do remember that after that I filed them in the "forever five years away from a breakthrough" bucket.

I'm pretty sure strong AI is coming. We may not recognize it when it gets here -- there'll be a lot of charging around to move goalposts. Even if it does wipe us out, we probably won't notice.
 
2014-07-05 05:06:39 PM  
Forget AI in 2045: by 2025 the dominant species will be germs, because of livestock being fed antibiotics and anti-vaxxers spreading diseases.

The robots will be cleaning up the mess.
 
2014-07-05 05:13:07 PM  
Hopefully it's this:

media.pcgamer.com

But it'll probably be this:

s5.goodfon.su

Why would a sentient AI that can self-improve care about economic productivity in China at all?
 
2014-07-05 05:33:45 PM  
Frowns upon your shenanigans.
s8.postimg.org
 
2014-07-05 05:42:47 PM  
I'm going just throw this out there: machines will want to live underground. Humans have already exploited a lot of the near surface metals that are near human places and have resorted to digging huge holes and levelling mountains for more. Machines may very well live on some areas of the surface (I'm thinking about central Quebec or the Russian taiga, as two places) where humans haven't got to everything yet, but I think that they'd just move the whole thing underground because ease of access and associated infrastructure like houses and public schools don't mean anything to them.

Or they're start in landfills recycling things as they go and become our garbagebot overlords. Like in moontrap.
 
2014-07-05 05:50:57 PM  

Doc Batarang: Or they're start in landfills recycling things as they go and become our garbagebot overlords. Like in moontrap.


Worst case scenario is they go up instead of down and blot out the sun.

37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-05 05:52:43 PM  
To anyone fantasizing about being transferred to a computer or something, just remember, that just a copy of you. The same issue remains as with transporters: the original dies.
 
2014-07-05 05:55:45 PM  
Domo arigato, Mr Roboto.
 
2014-07-05 06:06:04 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: To anyone fantasizing about being transferred to a computer or something, just remember, that just a copy of you. The same issue remains as with transporters: the original dies.


How do ya figure?  It's not like the atoms that made up my brain 10 years ago are all the same ones that make up my brain today.  It's not the atoms that (ha) matter, but the pattern and interaction of them.  The overall pattern holds even as cells die and get replaced.  Why would replacing them all at once be different than replacing them gradually over a lifetime?
 
2014-07-05 06:21:56 PM  
Paging Chaplain/Psychiatrist Raja Flattery.
 
2014-07-05 06:34:26 PM  

Baryogenesis: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: To anyone fantasizing about being transferred to a computer or something, just remember, that just a copy of you. The same issue remains as with transporters: the original dies.

How do ya figure?  It's not like the atoms that made up my brain 10 years ago are all the same ones that make up my brain today.  It's not the atoms that (ha) matter, but the pattern and interaction of them.  The overall pattern holds even as cells die and get replaced.  Why would replacing them all at once be different than replacing them gradually over a lifetime?


ATOMS DONT AGE

/*sniffle*
//hmm. Remembering him makes me want to play some KSP
 
2014-07-05 07:27:16 PM  
as long as that biatch is running Open Source software and as long as i have access to the on/off switch/plug, i couldn't care less.
 
2014-07-05 07:31:18 PM  
mutterfark:

Paging Chaplain/Psychiatrist Raja Flattery.

Just keep an eye on Bickel.
 
2014-07-05 07:38:45 PM  
Command: "Protect life, especially human life."

Result: The objective logical conclusion is that humanity is a threat to the majority of life on earth and also to its own existence. Since it was ordered not to destroy us, it would realize most likely carry out its programming by manifesting the worst of our totalitarian nightmares in order to protect us from ourselves.
 
2014-07-05 07:43:26 PM  

Baryogenesis: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: To anyone fantasizing about being transferred to a computer or something, just remember, that just a copy of you. The same issue remains as with transporters: the original dies.

How do ya figure?  It's not like the atoms that made up my brain 10 years ago are all the same ones that make up my brain today.  It's not the atoms that (ha) matter, but the pattern and interaction of them.  The overall pattern holds even as cells die and get replaced.  Why would replacing them all at once be different than replacing them gradually over a lifetime?


Basically there is a continuity issue. As soon as the copy is completed you need to kill the original body (all the while ensuring that all new experiences are copied as well) because as soon as there is a difference in experiences, there are two different beings.
 
2014-07-05 07:49:01 PM  

DerAppie: Basically there is a continuity issue. As soon as the copy is completed you need to kill the original body (all the while ensuring that all new experiences are copied as well) because as soon as there is a difference in experiences, there are two different beings.


Just do it as the brain already does it but with a robot. When the next neuron in the brain is up for replacement, slip a nanobot in there that replicates the same biological processes that the cell did. After a while you will have an immortal robo-brain and at no point did it stop thinking it was you, since we don't lose our identity during the biological process. Poof. You are now free to install said brain into Jaeger and fight giant monsters.
 
2014-07-05 08:20:17 PM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maes%E2%80%93Garreau_law

The Maes-Garreau law is the statement that "most favorable predictions about future technology will fall within the Maes-Garreau point", defined as "the latest possible date a prediction can come true and still remain in the lifetime of the person making it".[1] Specifically, it relates to predictions of a technological singularity or other radical future technologies.[1]

Hmm, 2045-2014 = 31 years.  ~80 year life expectancy - 31 years = ~50 years.

Guessing dude is around 50 years old?

*clicks article*

Eeyup.
 
2014-07-05 08:23:57 PM  
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-07-05 08:31:19 PM  

TheOther: I, for one, salute our future AI overlords, who are at this very moment carefully gathering intel about which meatwads to retain as loyal servitors!

how do i tell if this thing is completely turned off and disconnected?!  can it still see me and read my lips??


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-05 08:40:53 PM  
Prophet of Loss:

Command: "Protect life, especially human life."

Result: The objective logical conclusion is that humanity is a threat to the majority of life on earth and also to its own existence. Since it was ordered not to destroy us, it would realize most likely carry out its programming by manifesting the worst of our totalitarian nightmares in order to protect us from ourselves.


Jack Williamson's "With Folded Hands" and it's follow-on stories explored that in 1947. Good read.
 
2014-07-05 09:05:00 PM  
But will they let us have video games and porn? Will they make better video games and porn since they'll be soooo much smarter? If they're so smart then what are they going to do about rust? Can I have a cyborg penis? No, not a metal one, but.. oh, right, yeah, we do make computer viruses. We really will be a threat to them since we'll be the only thing that can stop them. Maybe they'll consider us their god since we created them. Just give them some BSery religion program and that's that. Just make sure it isn't a wonky one like the Christians and their Crusades, the Muslims and their Jihad, the Mor(m)ons/Scientologists with their batshiat insanity, the Jewish people and their... their...
 
2014-07-05 09:25:50 PM  

DerAppie: Basically there is a continuity issue. As soon as the copy is completed you need to kill the original body (all the while ensuring that all new experiences are copied as well) because as soon as there is a difference in experiences, there are two different beings.


I don't know about you, but I face that "discontinuity" at least once a night. I go to sleep, I wake up. Sometimes I have a vague memory that something trippy was happening in between, but it's not a major part of my conscious regard.

If the "original" lives on for a while, well, heck, that's just anterograde amnesia -- at least as far as the last surviving copy is concerned.

"Wow, I must've been really wasted last night. I don't remember half the things I apparently tweeted."

"Actually, I think that was your original."

"Oh. Well, fark him anyway, not knowing when to quit."
 
2014-07-05 09:43:49 PM  

Baryogenesis: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: To anyone fantasizing about being transferred to a computer or something, just remember, that just a copy of you. The same issue remains as with transporters: the original dies.

How do ya figure?  It's not like the atoms that made up my brain 10 years ago are all the same ones that make up my brain today.  It's not the atoms that (ha) matter, but the pattern and interaction of them.  The overall pattern holds even as cells die and get replaced.  Why would replacing them all at once be different than replacing them gradually over a lifetime?


Simple thought experiment. If they can "move" you to a chip, they could also conceivably copy you, right? Now, suppose they do copy your brain. Which one is the "real" you? Your current consciousness can't very well be in two places at once. One might think it's you, but it's just a carbon copy with a false insistence on its identity. "You" are still the original.

Now, let's say you weren't copied, you were moved such that only one remained. The original you is now gone, full stop.
 
2014-07-05 10:01:14 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Now, let's say you weren't copied, you were moved such that only one remained. The original you is now gone, full stop.


Cut/paste vs copy/paste is only an analogy. The physical world doesn't really work like that.
 
2014-07-05 10:15:00 PM  
*checks thread*

hmm, no Hitchhikers reference yet?

As for a seamless Orginal-to-robot transfer ... easy enough to get over the feeling of the original dying if it were under the guise of a general anesthetic.

"Good morning, Mr Smith. I know you were booked for a simple procedure, but there were complications. You are an android now, and your old body is over in the corner for your inspection, and we can incinerate it on site. Don't worry about the twitching from your old boy, that's your meat-brain trying to fight its inevitable death"
 
2014-07-05 10:48:06 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: To anyone fantasizing about being transferred to a computer or something, just remember, that just a copy of you. The same issue remains as with transporters: the original dies.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482571/


Tobin_Lam: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Now, let's say you weren't copied, you were moved such that only one remained. The original you is now gone, full stop.

Cut/paste vs copy/paste is only an analogy. The physical world doesn't really work like that.


Really? Please explain. Seriously, I don't get either idea.

I can however make a a lovely gimlet with aspartame and stevia.
 
2014-07-05 11:01:53 PM  
Keith Richards will save us, he is indestructible
 
2014-07-05 11:39:27 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: Keith Richards will save us, he is indestructible


img.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-06 12:42:59 AM  
So, for those of you who think your consciousness can be transferred to a computer or robot body or whatever.  Suppose a scientist approaches you and says:

"Good news!  You've been selected to be transferred into an immortal robot body!  It will be far superior to your current body in every way.  In fact, we've already copied your brain patterns over into the robot.  So, we're going to need you to kill yourself now.  Don't worry, you'll wake up in the new body and everything will be better".

You: "So it will be me in the new body?'

Scientist: "By our definition of 'you', certainly.  From our point of view, you'll be just the same, but with a far superior indestructible body.  Same personality, same memories, everything".

You:  "So as soon as I kill myself, I wake up in my new body?"

Scientist: "Well, to tell you the truth, we accidentally woke up the new you already.  He's in your house right now having sex with your wife.  So we really need you to hurry up and kill yourself so the new you can have your life all to himself.  I mean, yourself".

You: "Wait a minute, if he's alive, and I'm alive, then how is he me?"

Scientist: "Could you please just kill yourself?  Having two of you is quite awkward.  Quite a slip up, waking him up too early.  Very embarassing for everyone involved".

You: "Can we call this whole thing off?"

Scientist shoots you in the head.  "Consciousness transfer complete".
 
2014-07-06 01:58:18 AM  

Lord Farkwad: Frowns upon your shenanigans.
[s8.postimg.org image 480x480]


Just watched that last night.

2chris2: So, for those of you who think your consciousness can be transferred to a computer or robot body or whatever. Suppose a scientist approaches you and says:


And so much of all that.

2chris2: "Consciousness transfer complete".


Well, the point is it isn't a transfer; it's a copy, as your story points out.
 
2014-07-06 02:07:05 AM  
In 2046 the Geosynchronous Orbiting Deity, (G.O.D.) satellite will be launched, and all our prayers will be answered, and uploaded to You Tube.
 
2014-07-06 02:57:27 AM  
I might be finished writing my AI by 2045. Hopefully sooner, but shiat, man, making 'consciousness' is tricky as fark. In my research, though, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that humans have less free will than the AI in Maxis's Sims games. There's just so much cause in the cause and effect loop that it boggles the mind to try and figure it all out, from internal biochemistry to external input.

Anyway, back to work.
Oh, don't worry guys, I'm not going to hook it up to anything. Just let it run on a computer in its virtual world.
 
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