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2014-07-05 10:18:32 AM  
I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?
 
2014-07-05 11:23:21 AM  
Gout?
 
2014-07-05 11:37:06 AM  
Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.
 
2014-07-05 11:56:32 AM  
I was hoping for something I haven't seen before.  The Cybermen seem almost as common as the Daleks at this point...
 
2014-07-05 12:02:14 PM  
cdn-static.denofgeek.com
 
2014-07-05 12:05:06 PM  
Steve Moffat?
 
2014-07-05 12:13:02 PM  

RatMaster999: I was hoping for something I haven't seen before.  The Cybermen seem almost as common as the Daleks at this point...


Makes two of us, but on the other hand, let's face it - the Daleks will ALWAYS return.  Now, if they had saved them for the first season cliffhanger....
 
2014-07-05 12:16:36 PM  
Wait, what happened to the Manowar video?
 
2014-07-05 12:16:39 PM  

BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?


I've read somewhere that BBC loses the Dalek rights to Terry Nation's family if they aren't used at least once per series. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

JasonOfOrillia: Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.


I've never understood the appeal. The classic Master was a cartoonish evil-for-the-sake-of-evil villain that would seem really out of place in the modern series, the Eric Roberts one was pretty much a bad Buffy villain, and the new one felt like a dress rehearsal for Moriarty from Sherlock. If they can't do anything better than that with the character, best to leave their fans' childhoods alone and come up with something original.
 
2014-07-05 12:17:04 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.


Same here. Once they bring back Gallifrey, assuming they do, i'm sure he'll reappear.

Unless Moffat continues to act like 10th's run never happened.
 
2014-07-05 12:19:35 PM  

clkeagle: BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?

I've read somewhere that BBC loses the Dalek rights to Terry Nation's family if they aren't used at least once per series. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Never heard that.  All I know is they have to pay Nations family every time they use them.

 
2014-07-05 12:23:13 PM  

toxostoma: Steve Moffat?


Damn. Beaten.
 
2014-07-05 12:27:34 PM  

frodofraggins: clkeagle: BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?

I've read somewhere that BBC loses the Dalek rights to Terry Nation's family if they aren't used at least once per series. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Never heard that.  All I know is they have to pay Nations family every time they use them.


Which implies that Terry Nation held the rights to the characters when he was alive and his family inherited them. I've never heard of anything like that in American television. Correct me if I'm wrong, but here whenever someone writes a script that invents a new character then that character automatically belongs to the company that owns the show and/or the network that broadcasts it, not the guy who came up with it.
 
2014-07-05 12:28:44 PM  
Well, the first voice sounds like Davros. When was the last time we saw him?
 
2014-07-05 12:30:39 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Which implies that Terry Nation held the rights to the characters when he was alive and his family inherited them. I've never heard of anything like that in American television. Correct me if I'm wrong, but here whenever someone writes a script that invents a new character then that character automatically belongs to the company that owns the show and/or the network that broadcasts it, not the guy who came up with it.


I'm too lazy to Google it but the case of the Daleks' ownership is very, very unusual in show business.
 
2014-07-05 12:35:30 PM  
I only just started watching DW because there is a ton of it on Amazon Prime. I started with the Classic Who - Amazon has a smattering of series of each Doctor, which is kind of neat - you get to see each one.

I'm up to the Third Doctor right now - about to watch "The Three Doctors."

I'm hoping the new series is a bit more complete, although it is going to take me quite a while to catch up to current episodes.
 
2014-07-05 12:35:37 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: frodofraggins: clkeagle: BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?

I've read somewhere that BBC loses the Dalek rights to Terry Nation's family if they aren't used at least once per series. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Never heard that.  All I know is they have to pay Nations family every time they use them.

Which implies that Terry Nation held the rights to the characters when he was alive and his family inherited them. I've never heard of anything like that in American television. Correct me if I'm wrong, but here whenever someone writes a script that invents a new character then that character automatically belongs to the company that owns the show and/or the network that broadcasts it, not the guy who came up with it.


In America, yes. In Britain, the credited creator retains the usage rights. I do know that at one point Nation was trying to pitch a Doctor-free Dalek series to US television studios
 
2014-07-05 12:35:39 PM  
Nerds on message boards?
 
2014-07-05 12:58:25 PM  
Lupus?
 
2014-07-05 12:59:29 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: JasonOfOrillia: Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.

Same here. Once they bring back Gallifrey, assuming they do, i'm sure he'll reappear.

Unless Moffat continues to act like 10th's run never happened.


How exactly has he done that? In the Day of the Doctor he tied up the loose end Ten and Queen Elizabeth's relationship and the Time of the Doctor treated the stupid Ten to Ten regeneration as a thing that actually happened instead of just pretending that it didn't count. Aside from not making the Doctor turn into a shrunken house elf when he aged 1000 years in the Time of the Doctor, I can't think of anything from Ten's era that was ignored.
 
2014-07-05 01:02:25 PM  

Mad_Radhu: ThatBillmanGuy: JasonOfOrillia: Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.

Same here. Once they bring back Gallifrey, assuming they do, i'm sure he'll reappear.

Unless Moffat continues to act like 10th's run never happened.

How exactly has he done that? In the Day of the Doctor he tied up the loose end Ten and Queen Elizabeth's relationship and the Time of the Doctor treated the stupid Ten to Ten regeneration as a thing that actually happened instead of just pretending that it didn't count. Aside from not making the Doctor turn into a shrunken house elf when he aged 1000 years in the Time of the Doctor, I can't think of anything from Ten's era that was ignored.


Oh, I was just ranting. But we never see Jack harkness, or Donna Noble ever again. Just bummed about that. A few of them are mentioned, though. And yeah, the 50th anniversary totally made up for it.
 
2014-07-05 01:05:05 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Which implies that Terry Nation held the rights to the characters when he was alive and his family inherited them. I've never heard of anything like that in American television. Correct me if I'm wrong, but here whenever someone writes a script that invents a new character then that character automatically belongs to the company that owns the show and/or the network that broadcasts it, not the guy who came up with it.


There are some rare examples from American television.  The right to the Gorn from the original series of Star Trek stayed with their creator, who had used them in previous short story or something (not clear on details), and because Paramont didn't want to pay to use them, the Gorn didn't appeared in Star Trek again until the final season of Enterprise, where they hoped they could drum up some interest in a show that was fading fast.
 
2014-07-05 01:10:06 PM  

CarnySaur: Nerds on message boards?


This is a Doctor Who thread not a Star Trek thread.
 
2014-07-05 01:10:55 PM  
Modern Doctor Who is super-formulaic, like House or Criminal Minds, time-the-plot-twist-to-the-second levels of formulaic. But I'll probably keep watching for as long as Jenna Coleman continues to be adorable.
 
2014-07-05 01:11:06 PM  

Orgasmatron138: I only just started watching DW because there is a ton of it on Amazon Prime. I started with the Classic Who - Amazon has a smattering of series of each Doctor, which is kind of neat - you get to see each one.

I'm up to the Third Doctor right now - about to watch "The Three Doctors."

I'm hoping the new series is a bit more complete, although it is going to take me quite a while to catch up to current episodes.


The Third Doctor (Pertwee) was very adept in using Who Fu.  Yee-yaaa
 
2014-07-05 01:28:12 PM  

Orgasmatron138: I only just started watching DW because there is a ton of it on Amazon Prime. I started with the Classic Who - Amazon has a smattering of series of each Doctor, which is kind of neat - you get to see each one.

I'm up to the Third Doctor right now - about to watch "The Three Doctors."

I'm hoping the new series is a bit more complete, although it is going to take me quite a while to catch up to current episodes.


Netflix has it, too.  Too lazy to see if it matches what Prime has, but I'm assuming it matches what Prime has.
 
2014-07-05 01:36:46 PM  

Orgasmatron138: I only just started watching DW because there is a ton of it on Amazon Prime. I started with the Classic Who - Amazon has a smattering of series of each Doctor, which is kind of neat - you get to see each one.

I'm up to the Third Doctor right now - about to watch "The Three Doctors."

I'm hoping the new series is a bit more complete, although it is going to take me quite a while to catch up to current episodes.


IIRC, a lot of the classic episodes have been lost to one thing or another. Especially the third Doctor, it seems like. He's my favorite and I was so sad to learn that not many of his episodes survived.
 
2014-07-05 01:36:55 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Mad_Radhu: ThatBillmanGuy: JasonOfOrillia: Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.

Same here. Once they bring back Gallifrey, assuming they do, i'm sure he'll reappear.

Unless Moffat continues to act like 10th's run never happened.

How exactly has he done that? In the Day of the Doctor he tied up the loose end Ten and Queen Elizabeth's relationship and the Time of the Doctor treated the stupid Ten to Ten regeneration as a thing that actually happened instead of just pretending that it didn't count. Aside from not making the Doctor turn into a shrunken house elf when he aged 1000 years in the Time of the Doctor, I can't think of anything from Ten's era that was ignored.

Oh, I was just ranting. But we never see Jack harkness, or Donna Noble ever again. Just bummed about that. A few of them are mentioned, though. And yeah, the 50th anniversary totally made up for it.


I'm chalking that mostly up to actor availability. Catherine Tate was tied up with The Office most of Eleven's run and Barrowman had been busy with Arrow and movies like Zero Dark Thirty. That's the problem with Doctor Who, the show tends to launch careers in a big way, so it is hard to get a lot of the actors back. For example, we'll never see Sally Sparrow again because they did TOO good a job with casting and got an actress who was right on the edge being cast in movies opposite Ryan Gosling and Leonardo DiCaprio. Depending on how Guardians of the Galaxy and her new sitcom Selfie goes, Karen Gillan could also become A list pretty soon as well.
 
2014-07-05 01:41:35 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Mad_Radhu: ThatBillmanGuy: JasonOfOrillia: Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.

Same here. Once they bring back Gallifrey, assuming they do, i'm sure he'll reappear.

Unless Moffat continues to act like 10th's run never happened.

How exactly has he done that? In the Day of the Doctor he tied up the loose end Ten and Queen Elizabeth's relationship and the Time of the Doctor treated the stupid Ten to Ten regeneration as a thing that actually happened instead of just pretending that it didn't count. Aside from not making the Doctor turn into a shrunken house elf when he aged 1000 years in the Time of the Doctor, I can't think of anything from Ten's era that was ignored.

Oh, I was just ranting. But we never see Jack harkness, or Donna Noble ever again. Just bummed about that. A few of them are mentioned, though. And yeah, the 50th anniversary totally made up for it.


 Not seeing Jack Harkness is a function of John Barrowman's schedule. I thought he was going to be included in A Good Man Goes To War if Barrowman had been available.

He's probably not going to be available anytime soon because he just got upgraded to a recurring character from guest on Arrow.
 
2014-07-05 01:46:18 PM  

faerniir: Orgasmatron138: I only just started watching DW because there is a ton of it on Amazon Prime. I started with the Classic Who - Amazon has a smattering of series of each Doctor, which is kind of neat - you get to see each one.

I'm up to the Third Doctor right now - about to watch "The Three Doctors."

I'm hoping the new series is a bit more complete, although it is going to take me quite a while to catch up to current episodes.

IIRC, a lot of the classic episodes have been lost to one thing or another. Especially the third Doctor, it seems like. He's my favorite and I was so sad to learn that not many of his episodes survived.


Actually, all the Third Doctor stories are available. The color versions were lost for a lot of his first two seasons, but black and white 16 mm film copies survived, and some stories like The Daemons have been recolored.

It's the Second Doctor who got screwed by the wiping of the archive tapes. Hardly any of his run is intact.
 
2014-07-05 01:47:48 PM  

faerniir: IIRC, a lot of the classic episodes have been lost to one thing or another. Especially the third Doctor, it seems like. He's my favorite and I was so sad to learn that not many of his episodes survived.


I'm guessing you mis-spoke?  Lots of episodes from the First and Second doctor are missing.  Third is complete.  Sadly, over half the Second Doctor's stories are missing, including some real good Dalek stories.
 
2014-07-05 01:54:39 PM  

BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?


Well, Moffat has barely featured them, so it's not a big deal for me.
 
2014-07-05 02:00:16 PM  

Mad_Radhu: faerniir: Orgasmatron138: I only just started watching DW because there is a ton of it on Amazon Prime. I started with the Classic Who - Amazon has a smattering of series of each Doctor, which is kind of neat - you get to see each one.

I'm up to the Third Doctor right now - about to watch "The Three Doctors."

I'm hoping the new series is a bit more complete, although it is going to take me quite a while to catch up to current episodes.

IIRC, a lot of the classic episodes have been lost to one thing or another. Especially the third Doctor, it seems like. He's my favorite and I was so sad to learn that not many of his episodes survived.

Actually, all the Third Doctor stories are available. The color versions were lost for a lot of his first two seasons, but black and white 16 mm film copies survived, and some stories like The Daemons have been recolored.

It's the Second Doctor who got screwed by the wiping of the archive tapes. Hardly any of his run is intact.


No, I meant the third. I swear I had read most of his had been lost. I guess I just misremembered (which isn't a word but it suits my purpose.) Why are there so few of his available then?

I've been corrected by a few people, fine. I can admit my mistake.
 
2014-07-05 02:04:26 PM  

BumpInTheNight: CarnySaur: Nerds on message boards?

This is a Doctor Who thread not a Star Trek thread.


Are you kidding me? If anything, nerds on Who threads are worse than Trek threads. All Trek threads do is argue over who was a better captain, which series was best, and biatch about technobabble and how Roddenberry was too idealistic and humans would never end up like in TNG.

Who threads turn into threads about which companion was best, which Doctor was best, which Master was best, which was the best villain, which episode/story arc was best, what book stuff is canon, they should have the Doctor regen into a black person or a woman, this Doctor sucked, concrete blowjob, "I don't like the new Doctor", "I'm excited as hell for the new Doctor", "This new series is going to suck hard despite not having seen anything but extremely short trailers for it" etc. And all that is before you count the "fans" who hate the latest actor to portray the Doctor, hate the companion, hate that they still use some of the iconic villains and want a return of some absurd one off villain, hate the show runner, and yet still watch the show. Throw in some "I hope BBCA doesn't do another 'Amelia Pond show' intro." bit and that's a Who thread.
 
2014-07-05 02:07:01 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.


The season finale is supposed to be Master-y.
 
2014-07-05 02:08:20 PM  

frodofraggins: clkeagle: BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?

I've read somewhere that BBC loses the Dalek rights to Terry Nation's family if they aren't used at least once per series. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Never heard that.  All I know is they have to pay Nations family every time they use them.


Nope

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/apr/17/bbc.television
 
2014-07-05 02:23:26 PM  
Is it Quarks? If it isn't Quarks then I'm not interested.


olddoctorwho.com
 
2014-07-05 02:28:47 PM  

faerniir: No, I meant the third. I swear I had read most of his had been lost. I guess I just misremembered (which isn't a word but it suits my purpose.) Why are there so few of his available then?


All of his stuff is available if you purchase it on DVD for around $20 per story.

Since that pricing is absurd when you can buy the entire series of a top-notch modern show like The Wire for only $130, I'm guessing that the BBC is asking a crazy amount for streaming rights to the old series. That's why I think Amazon Prime and Netflix only have one story per season or less on streaming when they have the complete series of everything else. Doctor Who is a cash cow and the Beeb is going to milk it for every last penny they can.
 
2014-07-05 02:32:17 PM  

faerniir: Mad_Radhu: faerniir: Orgasmatron138: I only just started watching DW because there is a ton of it on Amazon Prime. I started with the Classic Who - Amazon has a smattering of series of each Doctor, which is kind of neat - you get to see each one.

I'm up to the Third Doctor right now - about to watch "The Three Doctors."

I'm hoping the new series is a bit more complete, although it is going to take me quite a while to catch up to current episodes.

IIRC, a lot of the classic episodes have been lost to one thing or another. Especially the third Doctor, it seems like. He's my favorite and I was so sad to learn that not many of his episodes survived.

Actually, all the Third Doctor stories are available. The color versions were lost for a lot of his first two seasons, but black and white 16 mm film copies survived, and some stories like The Daemons have been recolored.

It's the Second Doctor who got screwed by the wiping of the archive tapes. Hardly any of his run is intact.

No, I meant the third. I swear I had read most of his had been lost. I guess I just misremembered (which isn't a word but it suits my purpose.) Why are there so few of his available then?

I've been corrected by a few people, fine. I can admit my mistake.


Misremembered is a word.
 
2014-07-05 02:40:17 PM  

clkeagle: BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?

I've read somewhere that BBC loses the Dalek rights to Terry Nation's family if they aren't used at least once per series. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

JasonOfOrillia: Hoping for the Master.  Ah well.

I've never understood the appeal. The classic Master was a cartoonish evil-for-the-sake-of-evil villain that would seem really out of place in the modern series, the Eric Roberts one was pretty much a bad Buffy villain, and the new one felt like a dress rehearsal for Moriarty from Sherlock. If they can't do anything better than that with the character, best to leave their fans' childhoods alone and come up with something original.


Derek Jacobi could have made for an interesting recurring Master character but evidently he was too expensive to use in more than a single episode.

/Either that or they just wanted to use John Simm because he had already starred in a series sort of relating to time travel.
 
2014-07-05 02:44:45 PM  

Piizzadude: frodofraggins: clkeagle: BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?

I've read somewhere that BBC loses the Dalek rights to Terry Nation's family if they aren't used at least once per series. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Never heard that.  All I know is they have to pay Nations family every time they use them.

Nope

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/apr/17/bbc.television


That article is about book publication, a totally different right. It also mentions that Nation owns the copyright...
 
2014-07-05 02:45:41 PM  

faerniir: Orgasmatron138: I only just started watching DW because there is a ton of it on Amazon Prime. I started with the Classic Who - Amazon has a smattering of series of each Doctor, which is kind of neat - you get to see each one.

I'm up to the Third Doctor right now - about to watch "The Three Doctors."

I'm hoping the new series is a bit more complete, although it is going to take me quite a while to catch up to current episodes.

IIRC, a lot of the classic episodes have been lost to one thing or another. Especially the third Doctor, it seems like. He's my favorite and I was so sad to learn that not many of his episodes survived.


All the third doctor's serials exist, though there are a couple of episodes only in Black and White from Invasion of the Dinosaurs.

It is the first Doctor and second Doctor that had a large number of serials recorded over. There been some episodes of course refound again in various places like Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World, The Web of Fear, and if I remember correctly Marco Polo is in restoration right now for the next release.
 
2014-07-05 02:51:04 PM  

BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?


Really I'm right here in the room for God sakes.
 
2014-07-05 03:01:17 PM  
The BBC doesn't mess around with their teasers. Voice, shocks, over.
 
2014-07-05 03:11:40 PM  
I dunno, I'm really really burned out on Daleks, Cybermen and the Weeping Angels.

Let's see some new stuff with the Sontarans, the Dream Lord, or even The Unicorn.
 
2014-07-05 03:12:40 PM  
The Doctor needs a dalek companion.
 
2014-07-05 03:21:41 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Piizzadude: frodofraggins: clkeagle: BizarreMan: I appreciate that they are classic Who villains but by all that is holy, do we really need to have Daleks all the time?  How many times can "the last Dalek" be destroyed?

I've read somewhere that BBC loses the Dalek rights to Terry Nation's family if they aren't used at least once per series. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Never heard that.  All I know is they have to pay Nations family every time they use them.

Nope

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/apr/17/bbc.television

That article is about book publication, a totally different right. It also mentions that Nation owns the copyright...


I took that to mean that they own they character. Doesn't matter how they use it, the BBC owns it free and clear
 
2014-07-05 03:48:51 PM  

No Such Agency: B.L.Z. Bub: Which implies that Terry Nation held the rights to the characters when he was alive and his family inherited them. I've never heard of anything like that in American television. Correct me if I'm wrong, but here whenever someone writes a script that invents a new character then that character automatically belongs to the company that owns the show and/or the network that broadcasts it, not the guy who came up with it.

I'm too lazy to Google it but the case of the Daleks' ownership is very, very unusual in show business.


Yes, Terry Nation retained oenership of the Daleks.  When the BBC brought the show back, the deal his family made was that they had to appear in one episode per season, or the deal was void. So we're doomed to get at least one Dalek show.

Likewise, the people who designed K-9 also retained ownership of the design and the prop. But they're not assholes and know the can't make money without the Beeb and the Doctor Who name.
 
2014-07-05 03:57:55 PM  

toxostoma: Steve Moffat?


3/10.  Russell T. Davis would have been the correct choice.
 
2014-07-05 04:00:24 PM  

Piizzadude: I took that to mean that they own they character. Doesn't matter how they use it, the BBC owns it free and clear


Nope.  If you read the article, it's just about book publishing rights, which the BBC regained when they made the deal with he nations for the new series.  The previous publisher sued and lost.
 
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