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(Chicago Trib)   The arrival of 3-D printers in public libraries puts librarians in a potentially sticky situation when people naturally want to use libraries for the same thing we read about them being banned from libraries for   (chicagotribune.com ) divider line
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2014-07-05 11:28:31 AM  
"It's a, um, coin purse."
 
2014-07-05 11:52:47 AM  
Is the answer "boobs"?
 
2014-07-05 11:53:14 AM  
Harmful or dangerous.

No more prototypes for military or civilian military-type products.

Not gun parts....buckles, sliders, grips, handles, grenades, bayonets, robot soldiers, USO hotties...
 
2014-07-05 11:53:14 AM  
Doesn't it take a couple of hours to print something on a 3D printer? Are they worried people will sit there for three hours printing a 12" penis?
 
2014-07-05 11:54:03 AM  
This 3D printer is dildos!
 
2014-07-05 11:58:38 AM  
Maybe, just maybe, a library shouldn't have a 3D printer for public use. Maybe.

Stick to media.
 
2014-07-05 12:11:42 PM  
Until a mathematically inclined punctuation weighs in on this, I don't know how to feel.
 
2014-07-05 12:21:08 PM  

lewismarktwo: Maybe, just maybe, a library shouldn't have a 3D printer for public use. Maybe.

Stick to media.


Yeah, I really don't see the educational value here.

Not to mention those things arent cheap.
 
2014-07-05 12:22:03 PM  
When only criminals can use a 3-d printer to make dildos then only criminals will have 3-d printed dildos.
 
2014-07-05 12:24:08 PM  

scotchcrotch: lewismarktwo: Maybe, just maybe, a library shouldn't have a 3D printer for public use. Maybe.

Stick to media.

Yeah, I really don't see the educational value here.

Not to mention those things arent cheap.


They are one to two thousand dollars; pretty damn cheap.  Besides, it is a great learning tool and the future of manufacturing.
 
2014-07-05 12:26:05 PM  

abhorrent1: Doesn't it take a couple of hours to print something on a 3D printer? Are they worried people will sit there for three hours printing a 12" penis?


A librarian has to enter the design file.  I doubt plastic cocks are an acceptable use.  Librarians are generally liberal, but not that liberal, especially since plastic cocks are readily acquired elsewhere.

I think this is a great idea.  Most of the output will probably be interesting trinkets, but it'll be educational for everyone.
 
2014-07-05 12:27:46 PM  
This is an extension of other sharing concepts that libraries have played with for some time.   Back in my day, many libraries had typing rooms where you could rent access to type your papers, or  in the modern day, computer rooms with printers, even video conferencing rooms... There are libraries that for instance lend out tools, from shovels and hammers to power tools. Libraries lend out framed art in some places.  I think bringing in 3-d printers, CAD/CAM driven milling machines, etc. is a wonderful idea, but it will only be affordable for libraries in rich districts, I'm afraid.
 
2014-07-05 12:31:37 PM  
Whats wrong with Warhammer miniatures?
 
2014-07-05 12:31:57 PM  

No Such Agency: abhorrent1: Doesn't it take a couple of hours to print something on a 3D printer? Are they worried people will sit there for three hours printing a 12" penis?

A librarian has to enter the design file.  I doubt plastic cocks are an acceptable use.  Librarians are generally liberal, but not that liberal, especially since plastic cocks are readily acquired elsewhere.

I think this is a great idea.  Most of the output will probably be interesting trinkets, but it'll be educational for everyone.


There have been plenty of cases of pervs in libraries watching hardcore porn out in the open, and the library can't do anything about it because it's a first ammendment issue. I don't think this would be any different.
 
2014-07-05 12:51:56 PM  

spman: There have been plenty of cases of pervs in libraries watching hardcore porn out in the open, and the library can't do anything about it because it's a first ammendment issue. I don't think this would be any different.


It may be a first amendment issue, but yet my state has laws on the books forbidding accessing pornography on library computers. It's also a crime to picket a funeral up to an hour before and an hour after and I have no idea how this is possible.
 
2014-07-05 01:00:26 PM  

LarryDan43: Whats wrong with Warhammer miniatures?


GW has to be nervous with the progression of these things. I've already seen a ton of bits that don't necessarily trigger their C&D legion, but they won't be able to stop everyone.

/been using Shapeways for historicals for 2.5 years now.
 
2014-07-05 01:02:02 PM  

Nowhereman: spman: There have been plenty of cases of pervs in libraries watching hardcore porn out in the open, and the library can't do anything about it because it's a first ammendment issue. I don't think this would be any different.

It may be a first amendment issue, but yet my state has laws on the books forbidding accessing pornography on library computers. It's also a crime to picket a funeral up to an hour before and an hour after and I have no idea how this is possible.


It's possible because no one has challanged the laws. If they did, they wouldn't hold up.
 
2014-07-05 01:11:52 PM  

spman: No Such Agency: abhorrent1: ...

There have been plenty of cases of pervs in libraries watching hardcore porn out in the open, and the library can't do anything about it because it's a first ammendment issue. I don't think this would be any different.


Local library has firewalls for just this purpose, but the pervs, and the homeless who need new fodder for their dreams, find a way around, most times.  Walked past a guy the other day who had a chat window open with what looked like a pre-/teen girl undressing provocatively. ... Yes, I reported him, first to the librarian, then to security.  There are kids walking around and what looks like a 12 y/o  girl stripping, even if it isn't, still isn't something some kid needs to see to scar him/her for life.

lewismarktwo: Maybe, just maybe, a library shouldn't have a 3D printer for public use. Maybe.

Stick to media.


/ex-librarian
//if I had my own library, the homeless would be kicked out, because I'm an assh*le
///if you've never had to clean up what they do to/in the bathrooms, you just don't know: the scene in Desperado with the "out of order" toilet.... that's the norm
 
2014-07-05 01:14:34 PM  
try that again...

lewismarktwo: Maybe, just maybe, a library shouldn't have a 3D printer for public use. Maybe.

Stick to media.


img.fark.net
 
2014-07-05 01:30:19 PM  
"No mam, technically that's not a 3D dildo. It's too small. It's a butt plug. So we're good!"
 
2014-07-05 01:39:30 PM  
That headline hurt my brain, subby.
 
2014-07-05 01:42:53 PM  

abhorrent1: Doesn't it take a couple of hours to print something on a 3D printer? Are they worried people will sit there for three hours printing a 12" penis?


Just the other day we printed out a moderate sized tyrannosaur tow bone. On sparse fill. Took 25 hours on the Flashforge.
 
2014-07-05 01:45:44 PM  

LarryDan43: Whats wrong with Warhammer miniatures?


Games Workshop would like to have a word or two with you...perhaps about ripping off their hideously overpriced merch.
 
2014-07-05 01:49:55 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Until a mathematically inclined punctuation weighs in on this, I don't know how to feel.


Don't be silly.  There are no libraries in outer space.
 
2014-07-05 02:32:42 PM  
My mind keeps projecting this whole idea backwards into the era of early 20th-century prognosticators. If someone then had written "by the early part of the twenty-first century, libraries will house manufacturing machines which will automatically create any object the user desires", they'd think he was nuts.
 
2014-07-05 02:34:28 PM  

No Such Agency: A librarian has to enter the design file.


No.  I can scan and 3d edit at my local one.   They want to be there for the actual printing because sometimes stuff like the filament gets jammed and they know how to fix it quickly or keep it from breaking.

Trance354: Yes, I reported him


Good for you, but for this thread you don't need to respond to obvious trolls.  No one has that poor of a grasp of the 1st amendment or how to spell it.
 
2014-07-05 02:39:12 PM  

spman: No Such Agency: abhorrent1: Doesn't it take a couple of hours to print something on a 3D printer? Are they worried people will sit there for three hours printing a 12" penis?

A librarian has to enter the design file.  I doubt plastic cocks are an acceptable use.  Librarians are generally liberal, but not that liberal, especially since plastic cocks are readily acquired elsewhere.

I think this is a great idea.  Most of the output will probably be interesting trinkets, but it'll be educational for everyone.

There have been plenty of cases of pervs in libraries watching hardcore porn out in the open, and the library can't do anything about it because it's a first ammendment issue. I don't think this would be any different.


I was with a friend at a public library, and was showing him the then-new internet access terminals. He got on and immediately started searching out porn. After a couple minutes, a security guard came up to him and said "Sir, I don't think you want to be doing that here. Please find another topic for review while in public," The weird thing is that the security guard was nowhere to be seen until then. I always wondered if such searches raised a flag in a room somewhere.
 
2014-07-05 02:39:47 PM  

Brontes: scotchcrotch: lewismarktwo: Maybe, just maybe, a library shouldn't have a 3D printer for public use. Maybe.

Stick to media.

Yeah, I really don't see the educational value here.

Not to mention those things arent cheap.

They are one to two thousand dollars; pretty damn cheap.  Besides, it is a great learning tool and the future of manufacturing.


Additive manufacturing is nothing new. And libraries didn't have machine shops or woodshops before 3d printing became a buzzword.
 
2014-07-05 03:05:12 PM  
The conflict potential between providing safety for library users and their second amendment rights is an interesting one.  Are there any Fark lawyers willing to weigh in on this?
 
2014-07-05 03:14:00 PM  
Public Libraries are now Headquarters of Spawning L*sbian Witches who cook and eat your children
 
2014-07-05 03:19:28 PM  

abhorrent1: Doesn't it take a couple of hours to print something on a 3D printer? Are they worried people will sit there for three hours printing a 12" penis?


They have 3D printers at my library.  What they do is group all the objects they can onto a single 'print' and then run it overnight.

/very excited to try it
//no, not for making sex toys
///(partly because I haven't looked to see if the plastic used is human-safe)
 
2014-07-05 03:21:04 PM  
Bacontastesgood:

Trance354: Yes, I reported him

Good for you, but for this thread you don't need to respond to obvious trolls.  No one has that poor of a grasp of the 1st amendment or how to spell it.


I've had a long few days so my brain may be slow. Are you saying that the troll is the commenter claiming that there are libraries that can't do anything about porn watching right out in public? 'Cause I worked at one of those libraries for five years. What boggled me was how they didn't get 'hostile work environment' lawsuits out the wazoo. I'm not a female, so I generally wasn't subjected to the hitting-on, personal life questioning, etc., that the daily porn-watchers would sling at the female staff, and I was still way, way uncomfortable working there.

We had an "internet politeness statement" which, if someone complained, we would give a copy of to the person viewing questionable material. It basically said "while we don't limit what you view, please be considerate." Yeah, right.

Oh, and this is a "five star" rated public library in a college town, not some big city ghetto system or rural southern awfulness.

/resentful much? yes.
 
2014-07-05 03:38:26 PM  
Can I 3d print a few million Lego?
 
2014-07-05 03:38:34 PM  
I like the idea of being able to make 3D copies of my penis to hand out as free samples....
 
2014-07-05 03:59:35 PM  

acohn: The conflict potential between providing safety for library users and their second amendment rights is an interesting one.  Are there any Fark lawyers willing to weigh in on this?


Well... a current 3d printer can't actually make a gun by itself and will never be able to make ammo.  I suppose someone could print out a super scary extended magazine tho.

Considering that the libraries have people watching the machines It would be a lot easier just to bring in a regular gun.
 
2014-07-05 04:17:00 PM  

lewismarktwo: acohn: The conflict potential between providing safety for library users and their second amendment rights is an interesting one.  Are there any Fark lawyers willing to weigh in on this?

Well... a current 3d printer can't actually make a gun by itself and will never be able to make ammo.  I suppose someone could print out a super scary extended magazine tho.

Considering that the libraries have people watching the machines It would be a lot easier just to bring in a regular gun.


Suppose a person with a criminal record prints all of a gun at the library.  After he prints the final piece, he assembles the gun in his residence, and then goes to rob a bank with that gun. The library director reads the news about this and wants to change the library's printing policy to prohibit creation of gun parts. Does the library have the Consitutional right to do that, given that the 2nd amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.", where "well regulated" means disciplined?
 
2014-07-05 04:19:08 PM  

dstanley: "It's a, um, coin purse."


That's why we are changing the name to "Pubic Library".
 
2014-07-05 04:51:18 PM  

acohn: lewismarktwo: acohn: The conflict potential between providing safety for library users and their second amendment rights is an interesting one.  Are there any Fark lawyers willing to weigh in on this?

Well... a current 3d printer can't actually make a gun by itself and will never be able to make ammo.  I suppose someone could print out a super scary extended magazine tho.

Considering that the libraries have people watching the machines It would be a lot easier just to bring in a regular gun.

Suppose a person with a criminal record prints all of a gun at the library.  After he prints the final piece, he assembles the gun in his residence, and then goes to rob a bank with that gun. The library director reads the news about this and wants to change the library's printing policy to prohibit creation of gun parts. Does the library have the Consitutional right to do that, given that the 2nd amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.", where "well regulated" means disciplined?



You're grasping at straws. I'm aware of a company that's claiming they've made fully functional, completely 3D printed 1911 pistols but unless the barrel is solid, forged steel, I wouldn't want to even THINK of shooting it. Not sure what kind of faith I'd put in the 3D springs either.
 
2014-07-05 05:05:16 PM  

acohn: lewismarktwo: acohn: The conflict potential between providing safety for library users and their second amendment rights is an interesting one.  Are there any Fark lawyers willing to weigh in on this?

Well... a current 3d printer can't actually make a gun by itself and will never be able to make ammo.  I suppose someone could print out a super scary extended magazine tho.

Considering that the libraries have people watching the machines It would be a lot easier just to bring in a regular gun.

Suppose a person with a criminal record prints all of a gun at the library.  After he prints the final piece, he assembles the gun in his residence, and then goes to rob a bank with that gun. The library director reads the news about this and wants to change the library's printing policy to prohibit creation of gun parts. Does the library have the Consitutional right to do that, given that the 2nd amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.", where "well regulated" means disciplined?


Yes, of course.  A library is under no obligation to allow people to manufacture anything on the premises.  A person is allowed to manufacture a weapon in their own home tho.

Realistically tho, if the evil doer spreads out his printing at all or leaves certain parts out (like say a 'barrel' or trigger) it would be nigh on impossible for a vigilant human to recognize it, let alone a computer.

Even easier to accomplish would be a knife or shiv type weapon.  Would be more effective probably too.
 
2014-07-05 05:22:29 PM  
Why, exactly, do we need 3D printers at the public library again?
 
2014-07-05 05:51:36 PM  

assjuice: Brontes: scotchcrotch: lewismarktwo: Maybe, just maybe, a library shouldn't have a 3D printer for public use. Maybe.

Stick to media.

Yeah, I really don't see the educational value here.

Not to mention those things arent cheap.

They are one to two thousand dollars; pretty damn cheap.  Besides, it is a great learning tool and the future of manufacturing.

Additive manufacturing is nothing new. And libraries didn't have machine shops or woodshops before 3d printing became a buzzword.


Complete wood and machine shops don't cost < $2000.
 
2014-07-05 06:07:54 PM  

JerkStore: Why, exactly, do we need 3D printers at the public library again?


Umm, because the public library is a form of community centre and libraries have always had programs that don't fit inside tidy categories (remember when you used to be able to rent audio and video equipment from your library?).  The library is also a structured system with serious minded employees, making them suitable to be the gatekeepers of such things.
 
2014-07-05 07:21:51 PM  

quo vadimus: Are you saying that the troll is the commenter claiming that there are libraries that can't do anything about porn watching right out in public? 'Cause I worked at one of those libraries for five years. What boggled me was how they didn't get 'hostile work environment' lawsuits out the wazoo.


That's awful.  I'm not shocked that there are libraries that make their own rules or due to idiotic local laws "can't do anything" about porn viewing, but there is no 1st amendment issue, which was the troll line.  You can't whip your dick out in a library and start jackin it, and that is more free expression than watching porn.  In fact, Congress passed a federal law, which was upheld 6-3 by the SCOTUS:   http://www.fcc.gov/guides/childrens-internet-protection-act .

So if this place you worked was in the last 14 years they must not have accepted federal funds of any kind.  Of course localities that don't take the money are allowed to do whatever weird shiat they want, but most places would prefer the library to be a place most of the community feels comfortable bringing kids and grandparents.
 
2014-07-05 08:58:40 PM  
Libraries are awesome. Some day, aliens are going to find our farked to death bones and say 'good.' Then they're going to find the ruins of libraries and weep.

Books, internet, movies, music. Whatever enrichment and entertainment. Go librarians.
 
2014-07-06 01:33:41 AM  
Sure, 3-d printers at a library make sense.  The idea of a public library is to have a central pool of a resource that not everyone in a community can afford to own, but all can afford to share. For most of history, that only meant books.  Now, it can be other things, too.
 
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