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2014-07-05 08:03:21 AM  
Lame. I was hoping he quit in the middle if the race to pursue a career in national derp production
 
2014-07-05 09:12:55 AM  
Sometimes I suspect these guys do this on purpose just for sympathy and to establish their anti-abortion cred. Martyrdom sells.

In my less cynical moments, I just wonder why abstinence didn't work for them.
 
2014-07-05 09:40:56 AM  
He got plowed so hard by Glen Rice his MRI results are now a class at Johns Hopkins?
 
2014-07-05 10:11:46 AM  
Hmm. Both parents are physicians. I would assume one or both of them would have been responsible for having an honest conversation about human reproduction with their daughter.
 
2014-07-05 10:26:15 AM  

MrBallou: I just wonder why abstinence didn't work for them.


Because god.
 
2014-07-05 10:30:03 AM  

Delay: Hmm. Both parents are physicians. I would assume one or both of them would have been responsible for having an honest conversation about human reproduction with their daughter.


Or perhaps introduce her to the pill. Stupid parents.
 
2014-07-05 10:46:28 AM  

raerae1980: Delay: Hmm. Both parents are physicians. I would assume one or both of them would have been responsible for having an honest conversation about human reproduction with their daughter.

Or perhaps introduce her to the pill. Stupid parents.


I doubt they are stupid. Both are physicians. Her Mom is not seeing patients. If she is "active retired," which most docs choose, see can still write scripts. Her Dad, the senate candidate, still is licensed. I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to national office.
 
2014-07-05 11:00:42 AM  

Delay: I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to national office.


There is an incredible amount of absolutely baseless conjecture in this thread, culminating in this conclusion. What the living shiat does his child's pregnancy have to do with his judgment and responsibility? You do understand that parents can do everything right and still have children with free will who make mistakes, don't you? Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?
 
2014-07-05 11:09:30 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to national office.

There is an incredible amount of absolutely baseless conjecture in this thread, culminating in this conclusion. What the living shiat does his child's pregnancy have to do with his judgment and responsibility? You do understand that parents can do everything right and still have children with free will who make mistakes, don't you? Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?


Not every parent, however, both these parents are physicians. They know the explicit risks to a 17 year old mother and her child.

They were granted the power to practice medicine in the US. If you think that power is trivial, I suggest you explore how difficult it is to obtain. To quote Stan Lee, "With great power must also come great responsibility."
 
2014-07-05 11:13:10 AM  

b2theory: Lame. I was hoping he quit in the middle if the race to pursue a career in national derp production


This.
 
2014-07-05 11:13:42 AM  
Hey!  Did you hear about the Quinnepac poll that said Obama was the worst president nice World War 2?
 
2014-07-05 11:14:52 AM  

Delay: Not every parent, however, both these parents are physicians. They know the explicit risks to a 17 year old mother and her child.


What, specifically, did they fail to do? Reference to actual facts rather than supposition would be appreciated.
 
2014-07-05 11:18:51 AM  
I figured he got caught giving Todd a handy.
 
2014-07-05 11:18:59 AM  
Tfa says the guy is a politically correct Republican as far as his views on abortion, but it doesn't mention whether he's been a sanctimonious prig with respect to "abstinence". Are there any LA Farkers in here who can fill us in on that?
 
2014-07-05 11:20:36 AM  

Delay: raerae1980: Delay: Hmm.

Both parents are physicians. I would assume one or both of them would have been responsible for having an honest conversation about human reproduction with their daughter.

Or perhaps introduce her to the pill. Stupid parents.

I doubt they are stupid. Both are physicians. Her Mom is not seeing patients. If she is "active retired," which most docs choose, see can still write scripts. Her Dad, the senate candidate, still is licensed. I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to  ANY national office.


 FTFY
 
2014-07-05 11:21:49 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to national office.

There is an incredible amount of absolutely baseless conjecture in this thread, culminating in this conclusion. What the living shiat does his child's pregnancy have to do with his judgment and responsibility? You do understand that parents can do everything right and still have children with free will who make mistakes, don't you? Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?


Typically, pregnancy in young adults can be easily avoided with the proper measures, safe guards, and conversations.

More often than not, we see a failing on all of those accounts on republicans, both in their personal life and policy applications.

We point and laugh because it's a tangible example of how ineffective they are at what they claim they want to do. Like rick perry sayin that abstinence only education works in Texas, even though Texas has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates.

Or when Palin said that abstinence only education was the way to go, and then her child got pregnant.

A kid has free will and the ability to choose, but it's a parents duty to provide the best advice and offer help on the path of life. It's questionable whether or not Cassidy did that in this case.

So yes, it kind of does matter. Either he sucks at parenting or his parenting methods suck.

For someone who is standing on the "family values" platform as republicans often do, they don't always seem to be good examples of it.
 
2014-07-05 11:24:08 AM  
I will never get how this works.  These people go on and on about the sanctity of sex before marriage, how abstinence is the only way, etc etc.

Then a girl gets knocked up at 17, which by definition means she had sex, and if she was even remotely trying not to have a kid she was probably having a LOT of sex.

And the product of her giving the middle finger to the church and its rules is a wonderful gift from God that everyone should love and cherish.  WTF.
 
2014-07-05 11:24:22 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to national office.

There is an incredible amount of absolutely baseless conjecture in this thread, culminating in this conclusion. What the living shiat does his child's pregnancy have to do with his judgment and responsibility? You do understand that parents can do everything right and still have children with free will who make mistakes, don't you? Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?


Yes, absent the case where he raped his daughter and his sperm fertilized her egg (which we have no evidence for), he is not directly responsible for her getting pregnant. But people who profess family values think that parents are responsible for educating kids about sex and that kids should not be having sex or babies outside of the context of marriage. Is his daughter married? I'm guessing no, which means that his message failed for the one person whom he was most responsible for teaching about sex.
 
2014-07-05 11:24:55 AM  

phaseolus: whether he's been a sanctimonious prig with respect to "abstinence"


From the anti-contraception site Freedom2Care

Bill Cassidy voting record
H.R.718 - Abstinence Education Reallocation Act      "Yes"
 
2014-07-05 11:25:37 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to national office.

There is an incredible amount of absolutely baseless conjecture in this thread, culminating in this conclusion. What the living shiat does his child's pregnancy have to do with his judgment and responsibility? You do understand that parents can do everything right and still have children with free will who make mistakes, don't you? Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?


the guy can't sit down with his kid for a 30 minute discussion about safe sex, but he wants to be a senator of the US? yeah, no thanks
 
2014-07-05 11:27:38 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: Not every parent, however, both these parents are physicians. They know the explicit risks to a 17 year old mother and her child.

What, specifically, did they fail to do? Reference to actual facts rather than supposition would be appreciated.


If a surgeon removes the wrong leg, leaves an instrument in the patient or the person he was responsible for comes down with post-operation sepsis, we do not know what specifically s/he failed to do. We only see the consequences.

There are over 50 different methods of contraception available in the US and theses two parents had the power to discuss them with a sexually active daughter and write her a script.
 
2014-07-05 11:27:55 AM  
Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?

The kid whose parents bought him here illegally when he or she was an infant would
like an answer to this question too.

Didn't they teach their daughter to keep her legs closed ? It's as much their fault as hers, given the
vitriol coming out of the Republican Party these days. It 's ok though, because they have the money to support her and the baby, but when a poor person has an accidental pregnancy , they need to learn personal responsibility by watching their child live in abject poverty.
 
2014-07-05 11:28:24 AM  

Serious Black: Yes, absent the case where he raped his daughter and his sperm fertilized her egg (which we have no evidence for), he is not directly responsible for her getting pregnant.


We have no evidence that he did not rape and impregnate his daughter.

If she were not pregnant we could rule it out, but that's not the case here.

/ Just stating facts
 
2014-07-05 11:29:25 AM  
He sees Russia from his house?
 
2014-07-05 11:31:39 AM  

kronicfeld: Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?


No, it's the fault of the boyfriend, according to Cassidy, who likely "would rather work fewer hours or work for cash or, perhaps, live out of wedlock so that he and his girlfriend both qualify for the taxpayer-provided free insurance".  If he's entitled to speculate on the motives behind impregnation, than so farking am I.   And I have a hunch she was involved in a Satanic group sex cult living looking to get their members pregnant to create more followers.
 
2014-07-05 11:31:44 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: Not every parent, however, both these parents are physicians. They know the explicit risks to a 17 year old mother and her child.

What, specifically, did they fail to do? Reference to actual facts rather than supposition would be appreciated.


They failed to prevent their underage daughter from getting pregnant.
 
2014-07-05 11:31:47 AM  
I'd be interested to find out his views on birth control and sex education.
 
2014-07-05 11:36:35 AM  

jaytkay: Serious Black: Yes, absent the case where he raped his daughter and his sperm fertilized her egg (which we have no evidence for), he is not directly responsible for her getting pregnant.

We have no evidence that he did not rape and impregnate his daughter.

If she were not pregnant we could rule it out, but that's not the case here.

/ Just stating facts


Lies. If he had raped her, her body would have shut it down. No, this would have had to be consensual sex.
 
2014-07-05 11:36:49 AM  
Meh, I don't care about the decisions of politicians family members except insofar as the politician reacts to them. If he's pro-life and tells his daughter to get an abortion, call me. Otherwise? Either he supports abstinence only education and it didn't work because his daughter didn't listen, or he supports safe sex and it didn't work because his daughter didn't listen.

I'd consider this a more predictable consequence of one of the two positions, but either way, it's hardly likely that he was a secret abstinence only supporter so it's not like his daughter getting pregnant reveals some shocking fact about him or makes his position any more or less responsible than the same position being held by someone who's teen-aged child isn't having a kid.

So yeah, no hypocrisy, no new information about the politician, I don't see a reason to care all that much.
 
2014-07-05 11:38:08 AM  
I guess the doctors of the family weren't prescribing aspirin between her knees.
 
2014-07-05 11:38:36 AM  
I for one am going on record saying I am happy they are supporting their daughter in her decision.  I still wouldn't vote for him.

...that is all...
 
2014-07-05 11:39:26 AM  

dumbobruni: He sees Russia from his house?


He warned the British.
 
2014-07-05 11:42:49 AM  
They're going to name the girl after the mother. Slutbiatch Cassidy.

I feel sorry for the kid. She's stuck with pompous, self-righteous, judmental, intolerant morons for grandparents. You know, GOP leadership.
 
2014-07-05 11:45:23 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: Not every parent, however, both these parents are physicians. They know the explicit risks to a 17 year old mother and her child.

What, specifically, did they fail to do? Reference to actual facts rather than supposition would be appreciated.


One of these things must have happened:

1) Cassidy and his wife refused birth control to their sexually active daughter
2) They were too removed from her life to realize she was having sex
3) They gave her birth control, but they raised a daughter who was having so much sex she beat the percentages against it failing

Which of these is acceptable in a Republican member of the US Senate?   I would love to know.
 
2014-07-05 11:45:33 AM  
i'm sure rush will start calling her a slut any-day now
 
2014-07-05 11:48:25 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to national office.

There is an incredible amount of absolutely baseless conjecture in this thread, culminating in this conclusion. What the living shiat does his child's pregnancy have to do with his judgment and responsibility? You do understand that parents can do everything right and still have children with free will who make mistakes, don't you? Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?


That's what Republicans tell us, yes. But really, only minorities and Democrats raise sluts like this. A true Republican wouldn't have sluts for a daughter.
 
2014-07-05 11:50:16 AM  
UNWED?!

speaktopower.org
 
2014-07-05 11:51:48 AM  

raerae1980: Or perhaps introduce her to the pill. Stupid parents.


LOL.  Don't you know being on the pill is what turns girls into whores because then they can have consequence free sex?  Abstinence is the only answer, or if you really want to involve medicine these girls can curb their lustful ways by holding an aspirin between their knees.
 
2014-07-05 11:51:59 AM  

aug3: i'm sure rush will start calling her a slut any-day now


When it's a Republican daughter she's not responsible for her actions and it's God's will that she became pregnant. Even though we have free will. No, I don't get it either.
 
2014-07-05 11:53:09 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: I for one am going on record saying I am happy they are supporting their daughter in her decision.


Her decision to abstain from birth control.
 
2014-07-05 11:53:31 AM  

Shrugging Atlas: raerae1980: Or perhaps introduce her to the pill. Stupid parents.

LOL.  Don't you know being on the pill is what turns girls into whores because then they can have consequence free sex?  Abstinence is the only answer, or if you really want to involve medicine these girls can curb their lustful ways by holding an aspirin between their knees.


It's true! I used a condom instead of abstinence! And now I'm an immense manwhore!

...That's what happens to us guys, right?
 
2014-07-05 11:55:02 AM  

kronicfeld: Delay: I really don't see how someone this irresponsible to his own family deserves to be elected to national office.

There is an incredible amount of absolutely baseless conjecture in this thread, culminating in this conclusion. What the living shiat does his child's pregnancy have to do with his judgment and responsibility? You do understand that parents can do everything right and still have children with free will who make mistakes, don't you? Or is every child's mistake the parent's fault?


We palin'd the thread?
 
2014-07-05 11:57:59 AM  

aug3: i'm sure rush will start calling her a slut any-day now


He'll probably call her a phoney slut. Like he did those soldiers.
 
2014-07-05 11:58:11 AM  

Delta1212: Meh, I don't care about the decisions of politicians family members except insofar as the politician reacts to them. If he's pro-life and tells his daughter to get an abortion, call me. Otherwise? Either he supports abstinence only education and it didn't work because his daughter didn't listen, or he supports safe sex and it didn't work because his daughter didn't listen.

I'd consider this a more predictable consequence of one of the two positions, but either way, it's hardly likely that he was a secret abstinence only supporter so it's not like his daughter getting pregnant reveals some shocking fact about him or makes his position any more or less responsible than the same position being held by someone who's teen-aged child isn't having a kid.

So yeah, no hypocrisy, no new information about the politician, I don't see a reason to care all that much.


That's why I asked the question I asked upthread. Thanks to jaytkay for looking up the answer:

jaytkay: phaseolus: whether he's been a sanctimonious prig with respect to "abstinence"

From the anti-contraception site Freedom2Care

Bill Cassidy voting record
H.R.718 - Abstinence Education Reallocation Act      "Yes"

 
2014-07-05 12:01:02 PM  
Subby, you've got to be more specific. Pulling a Palin can mean so many things. It could mean quitting early, getting basic facts of American history that every school kid knows completely and utterly wrong, being unable to answer the most basic questions about one's reading habits, being unable to answer any question with anything other than an unintelligible word salad, cribbing notes for your basic talking points on your hand while making jokes about teleprompters, etc.
 
2014-07-05 12:02:33 PM  
At least fellow Louisianan David Vitter can help Little Miss Round Heels with her diaper needs.
 
2014-07-05 12:03:06 PM  

Delay: kronicfeld: Delay: Not every parent, however, both these parents are physicians. They know the explicit risks to a 17 year old mother and her child.

What, specifically, did they fail to do? Reference to actual facts rather than supposition would be appreciated.

If a surgeon removes the wrong leg, leaves an instrument in the patient or the person he was responsible for comes down with post-operation sepsis, we do not know what specifically s/he failed to do. We only see the consequences.

There are over 50 different methods of contraception available in the US and theses two parents had the power to discuss them with a sexually active daughter and write her a script.


How do you know they didn't discuss it and they all decided she should be on the pill? This could have been a failure on the daughter's part by not properly taking the pill, because we all know teenagers are the most responsible people in the world.

Unless something comes out about him being abstinence only also, you can't fault him for a 17 year old getting pregnant.
 
2014-07-05 12:06:44 PM  

ghare: A true Republican wouldn't have a slut for a daughter.


Obviously.  This pregnancy is obviously all a Democrat conspiracy.  I bet Barry HUSSEIN Soetoro Obummer the Usurper snuck into her room in the middle of the night and raped her.  Is there nothing he won't do to keep the Senate????
 
2014-07-05 12:07:39 PM  

ongbok: Unless something comes out about him being abstinence only also, you can't fault him for a 17 year old getting pregnant.


As pointed out above, he is against all forms of contraception, and he intends to make that applicable to everyone receiving medical care in the US.
 
2014-07-05 12:08:39 PM  

ongbok: Delay: kronicfeld: Delay: Not every parent, however, both these parents are physicians. They know the explicit risks to a 17 year old mother and her child.

What, specifically, did they fail to do? Reference to actual facts rather than supposition would be appreciated.

If a surgeon removes the wrong leg, leaves an instrument in the patient or the person he was responsible for comes down with post-operation sepsis, we do not know what specifically s/he failed to do. We only see the consequences.

There are over 50 different methods of contraception available in the US and theses two parents had the power to discuss them with a sexually active daughter and write her a script.

How do you know they didn't discuss it and they all decided she should be on the pill? This could have been a failure on the daughter's part by not properly taking the pill, because we all know teenagers are the most responsible people in the world.

Unless something comes out about him being abstinence only also, you can't fault him for a 17 year old getting pregnant.


As noted above, Rep. Cassidy voted yes on a bill that, according to the bill's summary:

"Authorizes the Administrator of the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) to award grants for qualified sexual risk avoidance education to youth and their parents. Requires such education to meet certain criteria, including: (1) being age-appropriate, medically accurate, and evidence-based; (2) teaching the skills and benefits of sexual abstinence as the optimal sexual health behavior for youth; and (3) teaching the benefits of refraining from nonmarital sexual activity, the advantage of reserving sexual activity for marriage, and the foundational components of a healthy relationship.

"Gives priority to programs that serve youth ages 12 to 19 and that will promote the protective benefits of parent-child communication regarding healthy sexual decisionmaking."

I think it's safe to say he is abstinence-only.
 
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