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(Hardball Talk)   Johnny Damon still thinks he can "outhit at least half the league"   (hardballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 31
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2014-07-05 08:43:51 AM  
Maybe Johnny Damon could do a few rounds of cohosting Sports Sesh. He could be the next Dontel.
 
2014-07-05 09:04:00 AM  
Pitchers do comprise a good percentage of the league.
 
2014-07-05 10:00:38 AM  
He could probably out hit the entire Rangers line up
 
2014-07-05 10:43:04 AM  

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"mmmmmaybe, Johnny, but the important question is, are you going to get paid 15 million bucks for it?"

 
2014-07-05 11:39:46 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Pitchers do comprise a good percentage of the league.


Yeah. Now add in defensive specialists that struggle to stay above the Mendoza line and any number of AAAA player shuffling between Pigfart and the bigs and Damon may not be that far off.
 
2014-07-05 11:51:17 AM  

ox45tallboy: [assets.gearlive.com image 306x291]
"mmmmmaybe, Johnny, but the important question is, are you going to get paid 15 million bucks for it?"


"I HEAR THAT, BRO!"

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2014-07-05 11:54:24 AM  
Johnny Damon still thinks he can "out(bong)hit at least half the league"

FTFM
 
2014-07-05 12:11:14 PM  
Half the league are pitchers, so technically correct?
 
2014-07-05 12:15:13 PM  
Maybe if he had Barry Bonds as his trainer.
 
2014-07-05 12:20:00 PM  
Someone is still hoping against hope that he'll make it to 3000 and a possible hof bid.

Dream on, dude.
 
2014-07-05 12:49:23 PM  
Johnny Damon holds a special place in my heart for leading the Red Sox charge against the Yankees in that 2004 ALCS series and having that mammoth grand slam to basically put the Yankees away. But you're done Damon. You've never had a strong defensive skill and I could only imagine you playing AAA ball at this point.
 
2014-07-05 12:55:46 PM  
Well, he would probably be the best hitter on the team if he joined the Twins. Much as I love them, they stink.
 
2014-07-05 01:32:01 PM  
Might outhit Swisher.

/I could probably outhit Swisher. Swisher ain't sweet.
 
2014-07-05 01:35:33 PM  
You could do worse at DH unless he goes back to being Manny. It also depends on the price tag. What is the veteran minimum?
 
2014-07-05 01:38:50 PM  
I don't think he's too too far off, but I'm an optimist and admittedly a Damon fan.  He screwed up not playing in Houston last year.  We don't even want him now as our outfield is pretty respectable.  I hope he gets a shot if that's what he really wants.  I'm sure he could help most any team coming off the bench, but he could really help out an AL team in the 9 hole as the speedy can't hit too too well but finds a way to get on base for the top of the order to drive him in guy on a pretty regular basis.
 
2014-07-05 01:40:17 PM  
He could never out-throw a high school women's softball team.
 
2014-07-05 02:31:35 PM  
...by outhit he refers to that blunt over yonder.

sorry johnny. money is in the youth now.
 
2014-07-05 02:39:13 PM  

Piizzadude: You could do worse at DH unless he goes back to being Manny. It also depends on the price tag. What is the veteran minimum?


I mean, you could do worse by signing Air Bud or Minnie Miñoso or something.  But there's no reason to think Johnny Damon is worth the minimum salary right now.

His last full season was 2012, where at the age of 38 he hit .222/.281/.329.  Now he's been out of baseball for almost two years and he's 40 years old.

Here's a complete list of 40+-year-old players in MLB right now, courtesy of Baseball Reference:

1. Jason Giambi (CLE, born 1971-01-08) - presently sitting on the DL after hitting .128/.212/.277 in limited duty.
2. Raul Ibanez (LAA, born 1972-06-02) - recently released by the Angels and picked up by the Royals in a bizarre move.  Hitting .163/.257/.281 in 2014.
3. Ichiro Suzuki (NYY, born 1973-10-22) - Presently hitting .286/.346/.321 as a fourth outfielder.
4. Derek Jeter (NYY, born 1974-06-26) - Presently hitting .268/.321/.324 as a sympathy shortstop who can't defend.

You know what those four guys had in common?  They were all legitimate starters at age 38.  Jeter finished 7th in the MVP voting.  Ichiro was still a defensive wizard who could sort of hit.  Ibanez was a balanced hitter who played 155 games.  Giambi was kind of terrible that year, but he was hurt and it was sandwiched between age-37 and age-39 seasons where he had a .370+ OBP.

Johnny Damon looked completely done at 38.  He was never dedicated to conditioning like Ibanez/Ichiro have always been.  He hasn't been a good defender in a decade, in large part because of his famously weak arm, so you'd have to DH him.  He's not at an Ichiro/Jeter level of fame where fans will turn out just to see him one more time.  He never had the team loyalty to get the Jeter sympaty contract.  And now he's been on his couch for 2 years.

You could make a weird argument that he'd be a platoon DH and pinch-runner or something for a non-competitor, but history says he probably can't even do that.  AAA is packed with guys who fit that description anyway, and any team would do better to give a guy like that a shot, and see what he could do at the MLB level.
 
2014-07-05 03:41:23 PM  

Piizzadude: You could do worse at DH unless he goes back to being Manny. It also depends on the price tag. What is the veteran minimum?


It's not worth it until the Julio Franco AARP Discount kicks in:

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2014-07-05 03:49:59 PM  

chimp_ninja: Piizzadude: You could do worse at DH unless he goes back to being Manny. It also depends on the price tag. What is the veteran minimum?

I mean, you could do worse by signing Air Bud or Minnie Miñoso or something.  But there's no reason to think Johnny Damon is worth the minimum salary right now.

His last full season was 2012, where at the age of 38 he hit .222/.281/.329.  Now he's been out of baseball for almost two years and he's 40 years old.

Here's a complete list of 40+-year-old players in MLB right now, courtesy of Baseball Reference:

1. Jason Giambi (CLE, born 1971-01-08) - presently sitting on the DL after hitting .128/.212/.277 in limited duty.
2. Raul Ibanez (LAA, born 1972-06-02) - recently released by the Angels and picked up by the Royals in a bizarre move.  Hitting .163/.257/.281 in 2014.
3. Ichiro Suzuki (NYY, born 1973-10-22) - Presently hitting .286/.346/.321 as a fourth outfielder.
4. Derek Jeter (NYY, born 1974-06-26) - Presently hitting .268/.321/.324 as a sympathy shortstop who can't defend.

You know what those four guys had in common?  They were all legitimate starters at age 38.  Jeter finished 7th in the MVP voting.  Ichiro was still a defensive wizard who could sort of hit.  Ibanez was a balanced hitter who played 155 games.  Giambi was kind of terrible that year, but he was hurt and it was sandwiched between age-37 and age-39 seasons where he had a .370+ OBP.

Johnny Damon looked completely done at 38.  He was never dedicated to conditioning like Ibanez/Ichiro have always been.  He hasn't been a good defender in a decade, in large part because of his famously weak arm, so you'd have to DH him.  He's not at an Ichiro/Jeter level of fame where fans will turn out just to see him one more time.  He never had the team loyalty to get the Jeter sympaty contract.  And now he's been on his couch for 2 years.

You could make a weird argument that he'd be a platoon DH and pinch-runner or something for a non-competitor, but history says he probably ...


OK I see your point, and cannot dispute it with any stats to the contrary, but one thing that you are supporting is that there is worse in the majors right now. So you put him on for the minimum and if he sucks you get rid of him. MLB teams have thrown away money for less reasons. Besides, he has two years less wear and tear on him than those on the list.

I could not care any less if he stays, goes, or whatever.
 
2014-07-05 04:24:53 PM  

LarryDan43: Half the league are pitchers, so technically correct?


Came here to say this.
 
2014-07-05 04:47:37 PM  
Looks like Jesus, throws like Mary.

/always loved that line
 
2014-07-05 05:48:44 PM  

LessO2: Looks like Jesus, throws like Mary.

/always loved that line


I remember being at a game one time and someone yelled at Damon that he threw like he was in the little league world series. This old woman turned to the guy and said, "That's uncalled for. Myself, I'd never insult children like that."

My favorite memory of Johnny Damon wasn't even about Johnny Damon. It involved the old "whiner line" segment on WEEI in Boston. They had a guy call in and do a Johnny Damon impression that was pretty funny. "Hey... this is....uh.... Johnny..... Ummmm...    Damon. Uhhhh...."
 
2014-07-05 06:57:15 PM  

Piizzadude: OK I see your point, and cannot dispute it with any stats to the contrary, but one thing that you are supporting is that there is worse in the majors right now.


Not really.  Giambi is hurt and wasn't playing much beforehand.  Ibanez was an excellent hitter last year-- 29 HR in Got Damn Seattle means it's somewhat sensible to take a chance on him, especially given his reputation for conditioning.  Jeter and Ichiro are shadows of their former selves, but they aren't embarrassing themselves out there.

Damon's a defensive liability, so you're basically looking for a team that wants a DH.

There are four teams with terrible DH production this year:
1) The Yankees.  They have already collected all the senior citizens they can find, and need the DH spot to rest their old-ass position players.
2) The Mariners.  Corey Hart just came back from an extended DL trip, and he's not terrible.
3) The Royals.  They just signed Ibanez, and they don't need two DH-only guys clogging their bench.
4) The Indians.  The Ryan Raburn experiment looks to be over, and the platoon of Santana and Swisher can't stay this bad forever.  Giambi was more of a platoon PH, and he's hurt anyway.

I don't see any of these guys signing a huge question mark like Damon.
 
2014-07-05 07:17:50 PM  

chimp_ninja: 1) The Yankees.  They have already collected all the senior citizens they can find, and need the DH spot to rest their old-ass position players.


actually because Beltran has a bone spur in his right elbow, he's all but the permanent DH for the near future
 
2014-07-05 07:57:58 PM  
He was fast.

/that is all
 
2014-07-05 08:48:37 PM  

chimp_ninja: 1) The Yankees.  They have already collected all the senior citizens they can find, and need the DH spot to rest their old-ass position players.


So the Yankees it is then....
 
2014-07-05 08:56:18 PM  

Piizzadude: So the Yankees it is then....


Yankees are in no shape or form looking for a DH. Their current priorities are:

1) Starting pitcher (there's a chance CC is done. MRI tomorrow I think)
2) Starting pitcher
3) left side infielder (they've already demoted Solarte)
4) starting pitcher
 
2014-07-05 10:01:23 PM  

The Bestest: Piizzadude: So the Yankees it is then....

Yankees are in no shape or form looking for a DH. Their current priorities are:

1) Starting pitcher (there's a chance CC is done. MRI tomorrow I think)
2) Starting pitcher
3) left side infielder (they've already demoted Solarte)
4) starting pitcher


At some point Chase Headley's going to get traded - wouldn't surprise me if it's to NY.  Their rotation is a mess, and with the two guys going to Oakland I wonder if the Cubs will trade Arrieta or Jackson.  Arrieta damn near no-hit the Red Sox last week, he might have trade value.
 
2014-07-05 11:17:15 PM  

The Bestest: Piizzadude: So the Yankees it is then....

Yankees are in no shape or form looking for a DH. Their current priorities are:

1) Starting pitcher (there's a chance CC is done. MRI tomorrow I think)
2) Starting pitcher
3) left side infielder (they've already demoted Solarte)
4) starting pitcher


Girardi said the other day that it's "fair to say" CC is done for the year (micro fracture) -- if that's the case, he could be out part of next year too.

I shudder to think how more anemic the Padres offense would be without Headley.  But yeah, he's likely gone.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees went after Troy Tulowitzki at the end of the year.  Tulo starts a new contract with the Rockies next year, 6 years/118m.  It makes no sense to trade him, but the Rockies are stupid enough to do it.
 
2014-07-06 04:07:04 AM  

Piizzadude: MLB teams have thrown away money


Sure, but they need the roster space. And teams build for the future, not for the past.
 
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