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(Den Of Geek)   With Hayao Miyazaki's retirement, this could be the end of the greatest animation studio outside of America   (denofgeek.com) divider line 52
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2014-07-05 03:36:24 AM  
Because Japan was ever known for good animation in the past 30 years. Riiiiiight.
 
2014-07-05 09:05:08 AM  
Nice qualifier, subby. Now name the biatching American studio that still draws and paints its films without computers.

You probably meant pixar, right? Seen their work recently?
 
2014-07-05 09:08:30 AM  
I've always thought Miyazaki films were pretty good but I never understood the unending show of glowing praise that most people gave his films. The stories were often bland and tended to repeat themselves. Oh, look, another barely there personality girl who finds herself in a new land and she discovers who she is through her friends and her adventures. The dialog was just...there. The animation was okay with it peaking at Princess Mononoke. And the character designs were nothing special.

Again, I liked them. But I didn't flip out over them. I just don't get it.
 
2014-07-05 09:11:12 AM  
I can't seem to get into Ghibli films, but it's really beautiful animation.

Other than that you've got Aardman and some filmmakers in France (if you've not seen it, I quite like A Monster in Paris).
 
2014-07-05 09:15:40 AM  
Oh lighten up, weeaboos.  Miyazaki's films are damn good, that's no lie.  But they're not the only good animated films out there.  I'm sure some aspiring Japanese animators are just itching to make films that don't feature transforming tankbots or schoolgirl-raping tentacles.
 
2014-07-05 09:29:01 AM  
The reason there is a Studio Ghibli is because Miyazaki and Takahata wanted a place to make their own movies.  If they both retire and the studio goes under, it's not like the rest of the talent will vanish into thin air.  Anyone with talent and motivation can make their own studios in order to do their own projects in their own style.
 
2014-07-05 09:29:10 AM  

moothemagiccow: Nice qualifier, subby. Now name the biatching American studio that still draws and paints its films without computers.


Who cares? Is the film good is all that matters.

Look at Princess and the Frog - John Lasseter overruled the decision to do it with computers saying that it would be better done as a hand-drawn movie and was right. And while I think Frozen is a better film for other reasons - songs and story, I think Princess and the Frog is a better film to look at. But the house taking off in Up was probably impossible to do as well as it was with computers.
 
2014-07-05 09:54:21 AM  
Headline has nothing to do with what the article actually says, subby, and your editorializing here is just ridiculous. This is as ridiculous as saying the Japanese Game-Industry is in trouble when the primary reason most don't publish in the US is that they don't need to, or that it doesn't make anything worth playing when Mario Kart sells 2 mil copies in a single month. There are plenty of excellent Japanese animation studios out there; that only one of those studios gets any attention from US film-snobs does not make the others cease to exist anymore than the US game press' persistent magical-thinking-based campaign to talk the Japanese game industry down makes Nintendo stop being the most successful console and game company on the planet by a wide margin.
 
2014-07-05 10:00:13 AM  
As much as he had a whole film library to leave for Humanity, he totally blew it all away when his latest film was just a glorification to one of the people responsible for Japan's WWII global aggression and helped make the attack on Pearl Harbor possible. It's like as if Germany made a film glorifying the architect of the death camps at Dachau and Auschwitz.
 
2014-07-05 10:01:29 AM  
This isn't his first retirement. I have a hard time believing he won't try to come back.
 
2014-07-05 10:02:03 AM  

lemurs: The reason there is a Studio Ghibli is because Miyazaki and Takahata wanted a place to make their own movies.


Before Ghibli became Ghibli, the studio was an outsource animation factory that did 2D work for companies like Rankin-Bass on films like The Last Unicorn.
 
2014-07-05 10:02:33 AM  
I see Vinnie here never actually saw The Wind Rises.
 
2014-07-05 10:11:30 AM  
Eh, I'm optimistic for the future of Studio Ghibli. I've liked movies I've seen by some of the other directors. I'm looking forward to When Marnie Was There.

But there's also beautiful things being released by other directors. Makoto Shinkai especially comes to mind. From Voice of a Distant Star to the more recent Garden of Words... yes. I'm optimistic.
 
2014-07-05 10:14:23 AM  

Keels: From Voice of a Distant Star


I'm not quite sure that movie completely comes together, but god if it's not a gorgeous piece of work with an interesting, sad idea to it.
 
2014-07-05 10:29:17 AM  
Damn that sucks! I loved 'Spirited Away' (saw it in theaters years ago) and 'Howl's Floating Castle'.
 
2014-07-05 10:29:54 AM  

timswar: This isn't his first retirement. I have a hard time believing he won't try to come back.


Miyazaki is the Hideo Kojima of movies. Claims his newest installment will be his last only to make several more.
 
2014-07-05 10:59:43 AM  

JosephFinn: I see Vinnie here never actually saw The Wind Rises.


Very good movie. Totoro is still my favorite.
 
2014-07-05 11:25:45 AM  

WizardofToast: timswar: This isn't his first retirement. I have a hard time believing he won't try to come back.

Miyazaki is the Hideo Kojima of movies. Claims his newest installment will be his last only to make several more.


I think it's more that the actually, legitimately tries to retire, and then sort of goes. "Oh, wait, I have this good idea but, no, no, I've retired and.. ARGH BORED NOW MAKING A NEW FILM."
 
2014-07-05 11:38:16 AM  
With Hayao Miyazaki's retirement, this could be the end of the greatest animation studio outside of America

You had a type in the headline subby, FTFY
 
2014-07-05 12:02:49 PM  

TV's Vinnie: As much as he had a whole film library to leave for Humanity, he totally blew it all away when his latest film was just a glorification to one of the people responsible for Japan's WWII global aggression and helped make the attack on Pearl Harbor possible. It's like as if Germany made a film glorifying the architect of the death camps at Dachau and Auschwitz.


BalugaJoe: JosephFinn: I see Vinnie here never actually saw The Wind Rises.

Very good movie. Totoro is still my favorite.


ANNCast had a couple of very good discussions about "The Wind Rises" (Ep's 181 and 186).   A lot of interesting stuff about what Miyazaki was going for, symbolism, some history about the real man, differences between the film character and the real man, the moralism of it, etc.
 
2014-07-05 12:25:17 PM  
I can do without being beat over the head with Miyazaki's overbearing themes.

As far as hand drawn animation, I think Bluth was the last great filmmaker to do hand drawn movies.  Granted, I'm a big fan of rotoscoping
 
2014-07-05 12:39:10 PM  

lemurs: The reason there is a Studio Ghibli is because Miyazaki and Takahata wanted a place to make their own movies.  If they both retire and the studio goes under, it's not like the rest of the talent will vanish into thin air.  Anyone with talent and motivation can make their own studios in order to do their own projects in their own style.


There was a young guy working there, I forget his name, but he was thought to be the heir to Miyazaki. Problem is he died from a brain aneurysm out of nowhere.

Plus the death of Satoshi Kon really sent the anime world into a tailspin. That was an even worse loss.
 
2014-07-05 12:55:11 PM  

Polish Hussar: TV's Vinnie: As much as he had a whole film library to leave for Humanity, he totally blew it all away when his latest film was just a glorification to one of the people responsible for Japan's WWII global aggression and helped make the attack on Pearl Harbor possible. It's like as if Germany made a film glorifying the architect of the death camps at Dachau and Auschwitz.

BalugaJoe: JosephFinn: I see Vinnie here never actually saw The Wind Rises.

Very good movie. Totoro is still my favorite.

ANNCast had a couple of very good discussions about "The Wind Rises" (Ep's 181 and 186).   A lot of interesting stuff about what Miyazaki was going for, symbolism, some history about the real man, differences between the film character and the real man, the moralism of it, etc.


The fact remains is that the guy KNEW that he wasn't building planes for peaceful purposes. To glorify him is to attempt to legitimize Japan's agression throughout the world.
 
2014-07-05 12:57:10 PM  

BalugaJoe: JosephFinn: I see Vinnie here never actually saw The Wind Rises.


Okay, bud. Xplain it to me how a movie glorifying the head designer of the Zero isn't a glorification of Tojo-era Japan's militarism.
 
2014-07-05 01:01:51 PM  
Anime is great when you're in your teens or 20s, but it gets really tired after a while. I got sick of anime in 1995. I started hating it by 1998.

I'll be much more upset when John K. or Mike Judge dies.
 
2014-07-05 01:05:49 PM  

No Such Agency: Oh lighten up, weeaboos.  Miyazaki's films are damn good, that's no lie.  But they're not the only good animated films out there.  I'm sure some aspiring Japanese animators are just itching to make films that don't feature transforming tankbots or schoolgirl-raping tentacles.


I think that's a contradiction. I'm not sure Japanese animators are capable of avoiding all the Japanese tropes. They'll get through 90% of a film and then throw in a robot, a SHSHSHIIIINNGGG! sound, a static image with rapid-motion lines, tentacles, a schoolgirl, or something else you've seen in every anime.
 
2014-07-05 01:19:22 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Polish Hussar: TV's Vinnie: As much as he had a whole film library to leave for Humanity, he totally blew it all away when his latest film was just a glorification to one of the people responsible for Japan's WWII global aggression and helped make the attack on Pearl Harbor possible. It's like as if Germany made a film glorifying the architect of the death camps at Dachau and Auschwitz.

BalugaJoe: JosephFinn: I see Vinnie here never actually saw The Wind Rises.

Very good movie. Totoro is still my favorite.

ANNCast had a couple of very good discussions about "The Wind Rises" (Ep's 181 and 186).   A lot of interesting stuff about what Miyazaki was going for, symbolism, some history about the real man, differences between the film character and the real man, the moralism of it, etc.

The fact remains is that the guy KNEW that he wasn't building planes for peaceful purposes. To glorify him is to attempt to legitimize Japan's agression throughout the world.


I wasn't actually disagreeing or agreeing with you.  I just thought people might be interested in checking out a discussion where the issues you guys are bringing up about "The Wind Rises" are talked about at length by people well versed in anime and the works of Miyazaki.
 
2014-07-05 01:23:23 PM  

TV's Vinnie: BalugaJoe: JosephFinn: I see Vinnie here never actually saw The Wind Rises.

Okay, bud. Xplain it to me how a movie glorifying the head designer of the Zero isn't a glorification of Tojo-era Japan's militarism.


Did you watch the movie? The militarism itself wasn't glorified in any way - it was pretty much painted as idiotic and doomed from the start. Horikoshi is portrayed as a guy who just really wants to design planes, and at the time, the only way to do that was for the military. All the military characters are pretty much jerks - hell, they tried to arrest Hirokoshi at one point.

Does that excuse the fact that he was making killing machines? No, but it certainly doesn't glorify the military anywhere near as much as you think.
 
2014-07-05 01:28:31 PM  

trialpha: T

Does that excuse the fact that he was making killing machines? No


No indeed. Case Closed.
 
2014-07-05 01:30:15 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The fact remains is that the guy KNEW that he wasn't building planes for peaceful purposes.


So?

To glorify him is to attempt to legitimize Japan's aggression throughout the world.

Um, no.

Tell me, Sparky, do you also hate Teddy Roosevelt? Or the first hundred years of the American government? You know, back when we were aggressively exterminating the locals and taking their land?
 
2014-07-05 01:33:19 PM  

TV's Vinnie: trialpha: T

Does that excuse the fact that he was making killing machines? No

No indeed. Case Closed.


I bet Wernher von Braun really gets on your tits. What with designing the V2 and bombing the snot out of London and all.
 
2014-07-05 01:33:40 PM  
The man truly deserves a quiet happy retirement after all the wonderful films he gave us.
 
2014-07-05 01:41:55 PM  

traxan: Plus the death of Satoshi Kon really sent the anime world into a tailspin. That was an even worse loss.


Well, that was a real shock. The guy was just in his 40's.
 
2014-07-05 01:50:26 PM  

Ed Grubermann: TV's Vinnie: trialpha: T

Does that excuse the fact that he was making killing machines? No

No indeed. Case Closed.

I bet Wernher von Braun really gets on your tits. What with designing the V2 and bombing the snot out of London and all.


Well actually, yes. I'm sure that the families of thousands of Polish slaves would also have that same feel as well.
 
2014-07-05 01:58:13 PM  

Skyrmion: traxan: Plus the death of Satoshi Kon really sent the anime world into a tailspin. That was an even worse loss.

Well, that was a real shock. The guy was just in his 40's.


Yeah, that was a blow.  With Miyazaki, even if he means it this time and doesn't make another film for the rest of his life, I'm not that sad.  He's had a long and distinguished career and it feels like he's given us just about everything he has to give.  But Satoshi Kon passed away in the middle of his creative prime, it feels like we missed out on a lot of great stuff because he died so young.
/Fark cancer
 
2014-07-05 02:17:04 PM  
Seriously the article is a completely clueless american who doesn't actually watch any other anime.

Here are some other awesome studios;

Production I.G (All of Ghost in the Shell, Seirei no Moribito, Eden of the East, Another, Psycho-Pass, Robotics;Notes , Suisei no Gargantia)
Ufotable (Fate/Zero, Garden of sinners)
Gonzo (Vandread, Last Exile, Gantz, Bakura no, Zetsuen no Tempest: The Civilization Blaster, Shangri-la)
Sunrise (Gekijouban Gintama Kanketsuhen: Yorozuya yo Eien Nare, Most of Gundam, Nerawareta Gakuen, Horizon on the middle of nowhere, Code Geass)
Studio Khara (Currently created by the creator of and working for the recent movie remakes of evangelion)

The only reason most of these people know about Miyazaki is cause disney licensed his movies for US distribution.

News flash, he isn't the only one that makes good anime. FAR FROM IT.
 
2014-07-05 03:04:06 PM  
Its the love. You can see and even feel the love. This is why some writers want no one but  Miyazaki Hayao  to touch their stuff. These movies are things of rare and consistent beauty. And pretty much everything from his studio is great even if you would never want to see it twice in your life you will want to see it once.
 
2014-07-05 03:10:31 PM  
And I/m willing to bet that Hayao's son might have a thing or to about closing the studio. This article seamed to be uninformed willing conjecture as are a lot of DoG articles. Sorry DoGboys that's just my op.
 
2014-07-05 04:04:08 PM  

JeffMD: Seriously the article is a completely clueless american who doesn't actually watch any other anime.

Here are some other awesome studios;

Production I.G (All of Ghost in the Shell, Seirei no Moribito, Eden of the East, Another, Psycho-Pass, Robotics;Notes , Suisei no Gargantia)
Ufotable (Fate/Zero, Garden of sinners)
Gonzo (Vandread, Last Exile, Gantz, Bakura no, Zetsuen no Tempest: The Civilization Blaster, Shangri-la)
Sunrise (Gekijouban Gintama Kanketsuhen: Yorozuya yo Eien Nare, Most of Gundam, Nerawareta Gakuen, Horizon on the middle of nowhere, Code Geass)
Studio Khara (Currently created by the creator of and working for the recent movie remakes of evangelion)

The only reason most of these people know about Miyazaki is cause disney licensed his movies for US distribution.

News flash, he isn't the only one that makes good anime. FAR FROM IT.


To be fair, all of those are shonen manga style, while Miyazaki isn't.
 
2014-07-05 04:44:54 PM  

Keels: Eh, I'm optimistic for the future of Studio Ghibli. I've liked movies I've seen by some of the other directors. I'm looking forward to When Marnie Was There.

But there's also beautiful things being released by other directors. Makoto Shinkai especially comes to mind. From Voice of a Distant Star to the more recent Garden of Words... yes. I'm optimistic.



Garden, IMHO, was a big disappointment. It was pretty, but it was short (and felt short) and the story was a bit blah. I liked Children much more (and 5 Centimeters is my fave).


JeffMD: Seriously the article is a completely clueless american who doesn't actually watch any other anime.

Here are some other awesome studios;

Production I.G (All of Ghost in the Shell, Seirei no Moribito, Eden of the East, Another, Psycho-Pass, Robotics;Notes , Suisei no Gargantia)
Ufotable (Fate/Zero, Garden of sinners)
Gonzo (Vandread, Last Exile, Gantz, Bakura no, Zetsuen no Tempest: The Civilization Blaster, Shangri-la)
Sunrise (Gekijouban Gintama Kanketsuhen: Yorozuya yo Eien Nare, Most of Gundam, Nerawareta Gakuen, Horizon on the middle of nowhere, Code Geass)
Studio Khara (Currently created by the creator of and working for the recent movie remakes of evangelion)

The only reason most of these people know about Miyazaki is cause disney licensed his movies for US distribution.

News flash, he isn't the only one that makes good anime. FAR FROM IT.


Can't forget J.C.Staff either (Little Snow Fairy Sugar, Ai Yori Aoshi, Air (movie), Familiar of Zero I/II/III, etc)

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2014-07-05 05:29:20 PM  
DigitalCoffee:

Can't forget J.C.Staff either (Little Snow Fairy Sugar, Ai Yori Aoshi, Air (movie), Familiar of Zero I/II/III, etc)

yeaaa...about that... Air...

i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-05 06:04:42 PM  

JeffMD: Seriously the article is a completely clueless american who doesn't actually watch any other anime.

Here are some other awesome studios;

Production I.G (All of Ghost in the Shell, Seirei no Moribito, Eden of the East, Another, Psycho-Pass, Robotics;Notes , Suisei no Gargantia)
Ufotable (Fate/Zero, Garden of sinners)
Gonzo (Vandread, Last Exile, Gantz, Bakura no, Zetsuen no Tempest: The Civilization Blaster, Shangri-la)
Sunrise (Gekijouban Gintama Kanketsuhen: Yorozuya yo Eien Nare, Most of Gundam, Nerawareta Gakuen, Horizon on the middle of nowhere, Code Geass)
Studio Khara (Currently created by the creator of and working for the recent movie remakes of evangelion)

The only reason most of these people know about Miyazaki is cause disney licensed his movies for US distribution.

News flash, he isn't the only one that makes good anime. FAR FROM IT.


Those are production studios that creative directors hire. Production IG was the exclusive studio of Satoshi Kon, for example. Those studios are useless without their creative geniuses, just like Ghibli will be without Miyazaki and Takata.
 
2014-07-05 06:05:47 PM  

Polish Hussar: Skyrmion: traxan: Plus the death of Satoshi Kon really sent the anime world into a tailspin. That was an even worse loss.

Well, that was a real shock. The guy was just in his 40's.

Yeah, that was a blow.  With Miyazaki, even if he means it this time and doesn't make another film for the rest of his life, I'm not that sad.  He's had a long and distinguished career and it feels like he's given us just about everything he has to give.  But Satoshi Kon passed away in the middle of his creative prime, it feels like we missed out on a lot of great stuff because he died so young.
/Fark cancer


Yeah, now how will Christopher Nolan come up with a sequel to "Inception?"
 
2014-07-05 07:17:47 PM  
traxan:
Those are production studios

Sorry, I thought the title said animation (production) studios.. there are plenty of good directors out there too. I generally cannot name them as it really is hard for me to remember names. But plenty of high class animes have been made aside from Miyazaki.
 
2014-07-05 07:59:05 PM  

JeffMD: DigitalCoffee:

Can't forget J.C.Staff either (Little Snow Fairy Sugar, Ai Yori Aoshi, Air (movie), Familiar of Zero I/II/III, etc)

yeaaa...about that... Air...

[i.imgur.com image 500x313]


That pic is from either Air (TV) or Air (PC Game) not Air (Movie). It's ok though, some are easier to tell apart than others.

/air (tv) sucked
//that was also Kyoto Animation and not J.C.Staff
///tmyk_swoosh.jpg
 
2014-07-05 09:33:02 PM  
Nix Nightbird: Anime is great when you're in your teens or 20s, but it gets really tired after a while. I got sick of anime in 1995. I started hating it by 1998.

I'll be much more upset when John K. or Mike Judge dies.

Much agreed, but I have to admit that Cowboy Bebop is one of those rare animes that is so artistic and well-conceived that it can manage the transition from youth to adulthood with ease. After many years, the box set is still a favorite in my dvd collection.
 
2014-07-05 09:50:07 PM  
Recently I really enjoyed Gurren Lagann and Kill la Kill. I also binged on Broken Blade and enjoyed it. I have less and less patience for shiatty anime as I get older. No time to waste. I will miss Miyazaki.
 
2014-07-05 10:09:22 PM  
A long time ago in the Jurassic Age (1985) I went to Japan for business.  While there I was taken to the movies and was treated to Kaze No Tani No Nausicaa (Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind)  If you have not seen it on the big screen then you have my sympathy.  It was Miyazaki's last film before Ghibli and where I got the login I use here and other places.

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But I like most of his other stuff as well.
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Sherlock Hound.  Done for Italian TV.  Sherlock Holmes but the people are all dogs.  I found a complete boxed set of DVDs at a flea market last month.  Best $10.00 I ever spent.

It always surprised me that Star Trek:TNG would name one of its baddest group of bad guys after a Miyazaki (and Homer the Greek poet) princess.  That show was heavily anime influenced.  My favorite little joke of theirs was when the Ferengi damon was giving the computer code to Mrs. Troi, starting out with "Kei y Yuri..."  Kei and Yuri are two of my fave characters, the Dirty Pair.
 
2014-07-06 01:06:38 AM  

OrganicMisanthropist: Nix Nightbird: Anime is great when you're in your teens or 20s, but it gets really tired after a while. I got sick of anime in 1995. I started hating it by 1998.

I'll be much more upset when John K. or Mike Judge dies.

Much agreed, but I have to admit that Cowboy Bebop is one of those rare animes that is so artistic and well-conceived that it can manage the transition from youth to adulthood with ease. After many years, the box set is still a favorite in my dvd collection.


Good news for you then; FUNimation picked up the Bandai license for Cowboy Bebop. Expect a Blu-ray set out around Christmas-ish.

/now we need a Death Note BD
//and a Planetes BD
///or maybe a Mushi-shi BD
 
2014-07-06 01:07:31 AM  
teto85:  Kei and Yuri are two of my fave characters, the Dirty Pair.

Now there is an anime that needs a live action adaptation. I'm thinking Jessica Alba and Amanda Seyfried as Kei and Yuri, in those outfits....
 
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