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2014-07-04 10:04:05 PM  
Old fart here. That's just fu*king disgusting.
 
2014-07-04 10:06:56 PM  
Feminist "scholars" use fancy words like "social experiment" but the truth is that passing out grades for a social experiment (that makes wide ranging conclusions) is far more insidious  than the fun and harmless 'lets not shave our pits for a while' game that if taken at its veneer, concludes that all men are rapists and all females are potential victims. But enough with MY OPINION what is yours?
 
2014-07-04 11:16:05 PM  
I'm fine with it but I suspect that Professor Fahs wants all the women to be getting all the action she is.
 
2014-07-04 11:17:09 PM  
This is also how I credit the Rangers getting to the Stanley Cup Finals.
 
2014-07-04 11:22:40 PM  
Just remember- not shaving ANYTHING use to be the norm for women way back in the day.
 
2014-07-04 11:23:08 PM  
My 34 year old daughter stopped shaving her pits.  It wasn't part of some feminist protest or shiat like that.  She  developed a bunch of skin tags.  She stopped when she nicked one and it bled like a son-of-a-biatch.  Her insurance coverage won't pay to have them properly removed as that's deemed "cosmetic," and she can't afford to pay to have them all done.

Her husband doesn't mind, so, BFD.
 
2014-07-04 11:25:20 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: I'm fine with it but I suspect that Professor Fahs wants all the women to be getting all the action she is.


I suspect the old Prof has a fetish......
 
2014-07-04 11:25:22 PM  
Hmm...

So, it's a lesson on what happens when gender norms are violated.  Gender norms are a subset of social norms.  Social norms tend to bestow a punishment for violation, and usually a benefit for observance.  In many cases, in order to fulfill social norms, one must pay a price.  Frequently that price is a repression of one's own desires, and occasionally criticism, ridicule, or ostracism from other groups that hold different norms.

In this case, students are incentivized to violate social norms involving hair.  The point, I assume, is to a) teach the male students that women are under strong social pressure to be hairless, and violation of that norm has penalties, by way of guys violating the reciprocal norm; and b) making it crystal clear to the female students that... I honestly don't know.  Probably that the subset of the majority who do some kind of waxing/trimming/etc. and don't mind it or even like how being shaved/trimmed looks and/or feels have internalized the values of the patriarchy?

Anyway, this is what stood out for me:
'It's interesting how peer pressure within the class can create a new norm. When practically all of the students are participating, they develop a sense of community and enjoy engaging in an act of rebellion together,' she said.
 

So the social norm for the class is "rebellion."  And the benefits of fulfilling the norm are social inclusion in the group, and extra credit in the class.  Strong incentives.  And the penalties for not fulfilling the norm are a lack of extra credit, and social exclusion.  Given that it's a gender studies class, the social exclusion factor is probably pretty strong, as being unwilling to "challenge the dominant paradigm" is probably viewed very negatively.  So, the guys that like the aesthetics of being hairy, and the women who likewise like the aesthetics of being not hairy, have to subjugate their desires to fulfill the social norms of the class.  Moreover, a sense of enthusiasm for the rebellion is required, in order to not appear not rebellious enough.

Or, put more simply, the true lesson is that people will follow social norms irrespective of their desires if the overall benefits (including adding positive incentives and avoiding negative repercussions) outweigh the overall detriments (including not adding positives and incurring negative repercussions).  And social inclusion and remuneration (in the form of extra credit this time around) are strong motivators.
 
2014-07-04 11:25:55 PM  
We need a word that combines the ideas of "slactivism" and "edutainment."

/Meh. "Women's studies" pretty much covers it.
 
2014-07-04 11:28:11 PM  
Extra credit for not shaving your armpits?  This should set off alarm bells in your head that Gender Studies is not a worthwhile major.
 
2014-07-04 11:32:38 PM  

Aulus: skin tags


I used to travel a lot to Cincinnati for business, sometimes weeks at a time.  Of course, much business is done in a bar or dinner with more drinks than food.  One morning, I got up in my hotel and groggily went into the bathroom.  Right over one of my eyes was a brand new skin tag.  How the hell it popped up in a few hours was beyond me, but I tried wiping it away a few times before my probably-still-drunk ass grasped what it was.

It had to go.  I had brought my nail clippers with me so I poured some alcohol on them and cut that SOB off without thinking about it.  It bled and bled, some got in my eye, and people at the morning meeting must have thought I either got fall-down drunk or in a barfight.  Haven't seen any more skin tags, though.  I used to work with a guy who had them all around his eyes.  Poor dude.
 
2014-07-04 11:33:24 PM  
To be fair, if you are taking a "feminist studies class," I am sure most of those students will not have a problem with this "challenge."

Not sure what the good professor is trying to prove as I am sure if it is just arm pit hair, most folks aren't going to make that a deal buster....

Now if the "hoo-ha" area looks like Bob Marley, there might be a bit of a problem...
 
2014-07-04 11:33:40 PM  
So conform to her class by being a nonconformist?
 
2014-07-04 11:33:48 PM  
There ya go. Women getting extra credit for what men do for no credit at all.
 
2014-07-04 11:34:18 PM  
So sexy!
 
2014-07-04 11:34:18 PM  
Body hair is a more complicated issue than simply shaving men down and letting women go au naturel to make a point. To a degree, female hairlessness is a relatively new invention based on razor marketers in the 1920s and later to open up new markets for previously male-dominated industries. The porn industry in the 80s and 90s also had a strong push in this direction. But... artwork and sculpture dating back to the Greeks and Egyptians depicts everyone - women included - hairless. Male sculptures get a little tuft of pubes and a head of hair and women are completely shorn except for their heads. So before Gillette and Bic ever got involved, the ideal human form had as little as hair as possible to distinguish ourselves from the apes.

I'm going to paraphrase a random podcast or news report I heard a long while back, but the removal of body hair nowadays is just a cultural signifier that you are ready for sexual activity. Women are shaving themselves down. Men are shaving themselves down. The pendulum of what women need to do to look presentable and what men need to do to look presentable is actually coming into equilibrium.  Nobody wants a mouthful of hair when they're getting it on.
 
2014-07-04 11:34:47 PM  

20/20: Just remember- not shaving ANYTHING use to be the norm for women way back in the day.


Lots of things used to be the norm back in the day. Things change, sometimes for the good (and I say this as someone normally averse to change)
 
2014-07-04 11:36:15 PM  

DubyaHater: Extra credit for not shaving your armpits?  This should set off alarm bells in your head that Gender Studies is not a worthwhile major.


Actually, this is a "weed-out" course for Gender Studies at ASU. Sort of like  The Paper Chase.
 
2014-07-04 11:36:38 PM  
Armpit hair can make for a good place to grab while you're farking her. Sort of like handles to hold her down.

\yeah, i went there
\\not a fan of pit hair if only because that's what holds in the sweat smell which is why women shave them in the first place
 
2014-07-04 11:38:23 PM  
Joke about thigh tattoos and Willie Nelson...
 
2014-07-04 11:38:39 PM  
My wife has very little body hair, does not need to shave. Thank god!

The author of the article is a wookie.

www.breannefahs.com
 
2014-07-04 11:40:22 PM  
Yeah, that whole three seconds a freakin weak to shave your pits is really putting women under pressure.
Meanwhile they spend an hour putting make up on to sit in a dark theater for two and a half hours.
Why? Because another woman might judge them while walking from the car.
 
2014-07-04 11:44:03 PM  
Had a girlfriend who worked as a waitress get fired because a customer complained about her hairy armpits. Yes, she was something of a hippie, thanks for asking.


Male students on the Arizona State University course are also able to apply for extra credit, but to qualify they have to shave all their hair from the neck down.

Giggity. Though I think I would balk at shaving my legs. And I'm not sure I want this

i.dailymail.co.uk

checking to see if my junk is properly shaved.
 
2014-07-04 11:45:13 PM  

theflatline: My wife has very little body hair, does not need to shave. Thank god!

The author of the article is a wookie.

[www.breannefahs.com image 285x213]


Goonie goo-goo!
 
2014-07-04 11:48:04 PM  
She said it often led to macho behavior from the male students taking part, including one who insisted on using a hunting knife to shave his body hair.

Pfft. Pussy.

www.extremely-sharp.com
 
2014-07-04 11:49:39 PM  

Pribar: JasonOfOrillia: I'm fine with it but I suspect that Professor Fahs wants all the women to be getting all the action she is.

I suspect the old Prof has a fetish......


I suspect you are on to something...
 
2014-07-04 11:50:19 PM  

fusillade762: theflatline: My wife has very little body hair, does not need to shave. Thank god!

The author of the article is a wookie.

[www.breannefahs.com image 285x213]

Goonie goo-goo!


I work with a young guy who said Eddie Murphy was not funny, I played him the Gus bit and now he is a huge fan.
 
2014-07-04 11:51:06 PM  
I dated a girl of Mid East decent. She could shave her pie on Friday night and have it fully grown back by Sunday. Never really bothered me, but she was very self conscience about it.
 
2014-07-04 11:53:14 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Body hair is a more complicated issue than simply shaving men down and letting women go au naturel to make a point. To a degree, female hairlessness is a relatively new invention based on razor marketers in the 1920s and later to open up new markets for previously male-dominated industries. The porn industry in the 80s and 90s also had a strong push in this direction. But... artwork and sculpture dating back to the Greeks and Egyptians depicts everyone - women included - hairless. Male sculptures get a little tuft of pubes and a head of hair and women are completely shorn except for their heads. So before Gillette and Bic ever got involved, the ideal human form had as little as hair as possible to distinguish ourselves from the apes.

I'm going to paraphrase a random podcast or news report I heard a long while back, but the removal of body hair nowadays is just a cultural signifier that you are ready for sexual activity. Women are shaving themselves down. Men are shaving themselves down. The pendulum of what women need to do to look presentable and what men need to do to look presentable is actually coming into equilibrium.  Nobody wants a mouthful of hair when they're getting it on.


Women plucked as far back as Cleopatra, that I know of.

The razor made things easier, but body hair has always gone in and out of favor.
 
2014-07-04 11:53:38 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: To a degree, female hairlessness is a relatively new invention


Not true. Ancient Roman women were known to shave everything not on their heads (including arms and legs) and most of them men too, especially the face (beards/mustacces and scraggly long-hair was seen as Gaulish and uncivilized). It was a martial culture, after all. Personal grooming thus became a point of virtue, efficiency and cleanliness.
 
2014-07-04 11:56:28 PM  

jpo2269: To be fair, if you are taking a "feminist studies class," I am sure most of those students will not have a problem with this "challenge."

Not sure what the good professor is trying to prove as I am sure if it is just arm pit hair, most folks aren't going to make that a deal buster....

Now if the "hoo-ha" area looks like Bob Marley, there might be a bit of a problem...


Uh, I'd kinda like to see that.

Or maybe corn rows...
 
2014-07-04 11:57:38 PM  

fusillade762: Had a girlfriend who worked as a waitress get fired because a customer complained about her hairy armpits. Yes, she was something of a hippie, thanks for asking.


How in the world did they notice? What kind of uniform was she wearing where that would even be visible?
 
2014-07-05 12:01:08 AM  

Ishkur: Jaden Smith First of His Name: To a degree, female hairlessness is a relatively new invention

Not true. Ancient Roman women were known to shave everything not on their heads (including arms and legs) and most of them men too, especially the face (beards/mustacces and scraggly long-hair was seen as Gaulish and uncivilized). It was a martial culture, after all. Personal grooming thus became a point of virtue, efficiency and cleanliness.


Yeah, but the modern incarnation of it was more capitalistic than hygienic. Alexander made his soldiers shave their beards and whatnot... At least in the 20th century the resurgence was mostly razor companies. We had jokes about hairy European pits until like what, 1989?
 
2014-07-05 12:02:24 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Body hair is a more complicated issue than simply shaving men down and letting women go au naturel to make a point. To a degree, female hairlessness is a relatively new invention based on razor marketers in the 1920s and later to open up new markets for previously male-dominated industries. The porn industry in the 80s and 90s also had a strong push in this direction. But... artwork and sculpture dating back to the Greeks and Egyptians depicts everyone - women included - hairless. Male sculptures get a little tuft of pubes and a head of hair and women are completely shorn except for their heads. So before Gillette and Bic ever got involved, the ideal human form had as little as hair as possible to distinguish ourselves from the apes.

I'm going to paraphrase a random podcast or news report I heard a long while back, but the removal of body hair nowadays is just a cultural signifier that you are ready for sexual activity. Women are shaving themselves down. Men are shaving themselves down. The pendulum of what women need to do to look presentable and what men need to do to look presentable is actually coming into equilibrium.  Nobody wants a mouthful of hair when they're getting it on.


As a ginger, folks that like our kind in the bedroom generally want to see more burning bush than Moses.
 
2014-07-05 12:04:17 AM  
I hate shaving.  Waxing is absolute torture.  Whoever came up with these ideas of "feminine beauty" will hopefully be burning in hell for all eternity.  Hopefully with razor burn every day.
 
2014-07-05 12:05:45 AM  

pyrotek85: fusillade762: Had a girlfriend who worked as a waitress get fired because a customer complained about her hairy armpits. Yes, she was something of a hippie, thanks for asking.

How in the world did they notice? What kind of uniform was she wearing where that would even be visible?


Tank top. It was summer.
 
2014-07-05 12:05:58 AM  

ChuckRoddy: Yeah, that whole three seconds a freakin weak to shave your pits is really putting women under pressure.
Meanwhile they spend an hour putting make up on to sit in a dark theater for two and a half hours.
Why? Because another woman might judge them while walking from the car.


If you have problems with your rotator cuffs, getting your arm up high enough to shave the underarm is freakin' painful.  Fortunately, I have aged to the point where I no longer give a flying fark what anyone but my husband thinks of my looks, which saves a lot of time.  No more makeup, no more shaving, no more high heels, no more hose, no more skirts.  I can go from sleep to dressed for the office in 10 minutes... and he likes me that way.
 
2014-07-05 12:08:26 AM  
Oldiron_79:

As a ginger, folks that like our kind in the bedroom generally want to see more burning bush than Moses.

*checks profile* No picture‽

=(


/And yes it is wrong for gingers to shave down there!
 
2014-07-05 12:12:15 AM  
ginger = male

redhead = female
 
2014-07-05 12:13:58 AM  
cyberspacedout,,,,,

You have a good point, I think I could be a big fan of the corn rows... as long as she shouts "HEY MON!!"
 
2014-07-05 12:14:44 AM  

Praise Cheesus: ChuckRoddy: Yeah, that whole three seconds a freakin weak to shave your pits is really putting women under pressure.
Meanwhile they spend an hour putting make up on to sit in a dark theater for two and a half hours.
Why? Because another woman might judge them while walking from the car.

If you have problems with your rotator cuffs, getting your arm up high enough to shave the underarm is freakin' painful.  Fortunately, I have aged to the point where I no longer give a flying fark what anyone but my husband thinks of my looks, which saves a lot of time.  No more makeup, no more shaving, no more high heels, no more hose, no more skirts.  I can go from sleep to dressed for the office in 10 minutes... and he likes me that way.


That's cool. I'm kinda the same way. Shave when I feel like it. If I'm dirty I shower. If I'm not, I don't. As for clothes, yeah, I'm of the age where I really don't give a fu*k what people think of me. It's liberating.

//though I DO like Mrs. Buck to wear high heels every now and then. In the bedroom.
 
2014-07-05 12:24:35 AM  

Ishkur: Jaden Smith First of His Name: To a degree, female hairlessness is a relatively new invention

Not true. Ancient Roman women were known to shave everything not on their heads (including arms and legs) and most of them men too, especially the face (beards/mustacces and scraggly long-hair was seen as Gaulish and uncivilized). It was a martial culture, after all. Personal grooming thus became a point of virtue, efficiency and cleanliness.


Ummm, lice. No hair, no lice. One of the glorious side benefits of our chemical age should be permission to have hair.
 
2014-07-05 12:25:48 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Feminist "scholars" use fancy words like "social experiment" but the truth is that passing out grades for a social experiment (that makes wide ranging conclusions) is far more insidious  than the fun and harmless 'lets not shave our pits for a while' game that if taken at its veneer, concludes that all men are rapists and all females are potential victims. But enough with MY OPINION what is yours?


I've read your post three times and still don't know how to start diagramming the sentence.
 
2014-07-05 12:28:50 AM  

cyberspacedout: jpo2269: To be fair, if you are taking a "feminist studies class," I am sure most of those students will not have a problem with this "challenge."

Not sure what the good professor is trying to prove as I am sure if it is just arm pit hair, most folks aren't going to make that a deal buster....

Now if the "hoo-ha" area looks like Bob Marley, there might be a bit of a problem...

Uh, I'd kinda like to see that.

Or maybe corn rows...


guycodeblog.mtv.com
What cornrows on a pussy might look like.
 
2014-07-05 12:43:01 AM  
maybe she wanted the other girlsl downgraded to gain a few points on herself...check pic...YEP
 
2014-07-05 12:49:00 AM  

Ishkur: Jaden Smith First of His Name: To a degree, female hairlessness is a relatively new invention

Not true. Ancient Roman women were known to shave everything not on their heads (including arms and legs) and most of them men too, especially the face (beards/mustacces and scraggly long-hair was seen as Gaulish and uncivilized). It was a martial culture, after all. Personal grooming thus became a point of virtue, efficiency and cleanliness.


To be fair, a big chunk of it was pure hygiene.
 
2014-07-05 12:59:28 AM  
Where's Courtney Simpson when you need her?

/probably sucking cock for rent money
//she went to ASU and became a porn star
///third slashie for luck!
 
2014-07-05 01:00:13 AM  
Did they give the same credits to men? If not, isn't that a violation of Title IX?
/just asking
//half drunk and deaf from fireworks
 
2014-07-05 01:08:48 AM  
Nothing to do with pits, but as far as I remembered from high school girls who didn't shave their legs usually got more crap from other girls than they did from the guys--after all a girl who didn't shave her legs by the time she turned 15 probably wasn't too interested in boys yet to begin with, and who else would see her in the locker room.  Girls would tell boys all the time "so and so doesn't shave her legs," just to talk shiat and it was usually some socially awkward plain chick guys didn't care about either way.  Blaming men for all social pressures women face is retarded.

/social pressure is often good
//who the hell wants a coworker that never wears deodorant?
 
2014-07-05 01:10:37 AM  

wildcardjack: One of the glorious side benefits of our chemical age should be permission to have hair.


You have 'permission' for fark's sake. Stop blowing things out of proportion, it makes you sound paranoid.
 
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