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(Scotsman)   Scottish gingers could soon go extinct because Scotland is getting more sunshine, which is apparently like kryptonite to gingers or something   (scotsman.com) divider line 37
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2014-07-04 12:10:59 PM  
Redhead thread?

/not a bookmark
//previous statement not applicable if this turns into a redhead thread
 
2014-07-04 12:35:07 PM  
No more Scottish redheads?

Damn you, Climate Change!
 
2014-07-04 12:42:33 PM  

LograyX: No more Scottish redheads?

Damn you, Climate Change!


Well, at least we still have Ireland.
 
2014-07-04 12:52:14 PM  
The stock photo is relevant to my interests, but the likelihood of "redheads going extinct" due to "more sun" is silly, and even if it weren't, it would take far, far longer than a few centuries unless there were some massive population replacement. Almost half the Scottish population has at least one of the MC1R mutations that are associated with red hair.
 
2014-07-04 01:00:54 PM  

GRCooper: Redhead thread?

/not a bookmark
//previous statement not applicable if this turns into a redhead thread


You mean, like this...

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Naw....it'll never happen  ;)
 
2014-07-04 01:02:36 PM  
Evolution?
 
2014-07-04 01:11:26 PM  
I've been reading a lot about genetics lately as an off-shoot of my genealogy. One website has a map of the prevelence of R1b, a male Y-Chromosome type that is associated with the Atlantic Coast of Europe (and Europe's highest concentrations of gingers) next to a map of the distribution of redheads.

It clearly shows that redheads become scarcer below the 45th Parallel.

Of course, there is no real causal connection between a Y chromosome and red hair (otherwise only men would have red hair, and only those within a certain haplogroup of the Y chromosome) but the Y chromosome is a good proxy for those people who over-wintered the last Ice Age in Iberia or Southern France, and this is a good proxy for the genes of Northern Europeans who account for most of the world's blonds and redheads (but not all--there are pockets of blond and ginger hair even in deepest darkest Africa, although admittedly a large sub-population of Saharan Africans belonw to tthe R1b Y chromosome haplogroup also).

You can see that even among people with the genes for red hair, red hair is rarer below a cut-off line in Europe. This is because people's skin and hair are darker in the Sunny South, even with the genes that lighten hair, eye and skin colour.

You can read more here.

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2014-07-04 01:13:11 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Evolution?


Sunshine is the catalyst that causes the soul to develop apparently.
 
2014-07-04 01:13:56 PM  
I'm all for any excuse for a redhead thread, but red hair isn't going away.
 
2014-07-04 01:14:40 PM  

AngryDragon: drjekel_mrhyde: Evolution?

Sunshine is the catalyst that causes the soul to develop apparently.


I hear it burns those who are evil.
 
2014-07-04 01:18:07 PM  
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2014-07-04 01:20:39 PM  
You know,  I've dated just about every major race, nationality, and ethnic group there is.  Never a redhead though.  Are they really all they're cracked up to be?

Might have to make a bucket list entry.
 
2014-07-04 01:22:49 PM  
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2014-07-04 01:25:42 PM  
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2014-07-04 01:27:27 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: I'm all for any excuse for a redhead thread, but red hair isn't going away.


Really, a red head thread?  Is that any way to honor the birthday of the great US of A?

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Fark yeah! USA!
 
2014-07-04 01:30:59 PM  
With he advent of sunscreen and science and shelter and working inside all the time, the sun will have no effect on the fitness of redheads to live long enough to reproduce.
 
2014-07-04 01:31:01 PM  
Red head thread? Difficulty: no Faye Reagan.

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Kinda risque for work
 
2014-07-04 01:36:41 PM  
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2014-07-04 01:41:00 PM  
Other books and science news articles I have been reading on genes, genealogy and so forth suggest that lighter skin, hair and eyes evolved surprisingly recently, about 9,000 years ago, spreading as recently as 4,000-5,000 years ago. It is believed by some scientists that farming played a role as people began to wear more clothes (wool, cotton, flax), to congregate in villages and cities (and thus under cover of roofs and building shadows), to move North ward into foggy and rainy areas and areas where the Sun doesn't shine much, and to lack vitamin D (which is plentiful in fish and meat but not in graiin).

To adapt to these environmental changes, humans had to get lighter skin so their bodies could make enough vitamin D from precursors.

Most traditional explanations of skin colour are based on the idea that Europeans are normal and Africans different some how, but this is the exact reverse of the story of prehistory and genetics:  Africans are adapted to the natural original living conditions of mankind, Europeans and some Asians are adapted to novel conditions brought on by a change of environment and social behaviour in relatively recent times.

How do we know this happened? Well, we have some DNA from ancient bodies, but we also have the genes of lice to tell us when humans started wearing clothes.

We got head lice from chimpanzee cousins while we were still the same species. We got pubic lice from gorillas (probably by sleeping in the nests they build on the ground when we came down from the trees). We got body lice about 70,000 years ago when we started to wear clothes. The genes of our parasites can give us information about our history as well our own genes do.

Wearing clothes meant we could do with less melanin (the dark pigment). This was because we didn't get the full Sun any more and because biting insects such as malarial mosquitos couldn't reach our skin as easily. Melanin is also useful for preventing infection with some tropical diseases and parasites. I suspect that this is why some African humans have darker skin in the groin despite this area not getting a lot of Sun even among the poorest and most naked hunter-gatherers. Protects even the bits where the Sun don't shine against disease and parasites.

I doubt if redheads will entirely disappear because of climate change. They may be forced further North, though. Instead of taking refuge in France and Spain, they may have to flee to Scandinavia and Iceland or join the Laplanders and the Inuit in the Far North.

The rest of us may have to work on our tans.

The genes show that slavery had a tremedous role in the spread of European genes as well as African. When the fashion for black slaves changed, the Berbers, Turks and others bought enormous quantities of slaves (especially women) in Central Asia or captured them in war and pirate raids. You can see the descendants of these unfortunates on maps of the mitochondrial and Y-chromosomal DNA of Africa from the Mediterranean to Timbuctoo, and all over the Near East and Asia where ever slaves were sold.

Since the Africans had no direct contact with Neaderthals, the Neanderthal genes found in Northern Africa must have come from Europeans in Classic times or from slaves since then. There is a lot of European in the Average Middle Easterner or North African, and vice versa.

I am as white as a Dane on a Greek beach but my Y chromosome is one which originated in East Africa or the Fertile Crescent and so my clan of male cousins includes most of the Berbers and Somalis although my autosomal (mixing) DNA is mostly Old European. I have millions of black brothers by another Continental Mother. The 25 thousand years back to our most recent common ancestor is a long time compared to the 9,000 years that white people have been around and the 4,000 years since the founding of the first of the three Abrahamitic religions, Judaism. It is even longer than the time since Middle Eastern agriculture began, about 11,000 years ago or since the beginning of the cultivation of rice and the potato elsewhere.

The post-mesolithic history of the world is in my Y chromosome. If you don't like it, bite me.
 
2014-07-04 01:50:31 PM  
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2014-07-04 02:05:03 PM  
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FYI, EIP. =)
 
2014-07-04 02:08:37 PM  

State_College_Arsonist: LograyX: No more Scottish redheads?

Damn you, Climate Change!

Well, at least we still have Ireland.


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2014-07-04 02:09:32 PM  
This is not a bookmark, this is an expression of my concern over the risk of losing the world population of scotland redheads.

I suggest we start the breeding/cloning program by having Karen Gillan bathed and brought to my quarters.
 
2014-07-04 02:19:34 PM  
I don't understand what all these pictures of redheaded women have to do with the article.  Will you people start taking Fark seriously?
 
2014-07-04 02:48:05 PM  

jpo2269: I don't understand what all these pictures of redheaded women have to do with the article.  Will you people start taking Fark seriously?


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2014-07-04 03:15:19 PM  

jpo2269: I don't understand what all these pictures of redheaded women have to do with the article.  Will you people start taking Fark seriously?


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2014-07-04 04:03:41 PM  

mcmnky: State_College_Arsonist: LograyX: No more Scottish redheads?

Damn you, Climate Change!

Well, at least we still have Ireland.

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I'm sorry, but if their hair is really red, I'll eat a fez.
 
2014-07-04 04:07:20 PM  
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2014-07-04 04:52:16 PM  
mcmnky: no Faye Reagan.

I have no idea why, but she looks like she would smell odd.
 
2014-07-04 05:06:48 PM  
brantgoose

Of course, there is no real causal connection between a Y chromosome and red hair (otherwise only men would have red hair, and only those within a certain haplogroup of the Y chromosome) but the Y chromosome is a good proxy for those people who over-wintered the last Ice Age in Iberia or Southern France...

Ah, no. R1b had nothing to do with the Cantabrian refugium. People thought so a decade ago because of its prominence in Western Europe, but that was before we broke down subclades, diversity and variance. It's very clear with the present data that R1b wasn't around Europe at all during the LGM, only having expanded (largely with metallurgy and Indo-European languages) from western Asia within the last five-thousand years.

If you're looking for western European Ice Age remnants, look at Y-DNA haplogroup I.
 
2014-07-04 05:11:42 PM  
RED HEAD THREAD!!

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2014-07-04 05:21:47 PM  
that redhead pointing at me is making me pointy
 
2014-07-04 07:33:47 PM  
Cancer tends to kill people after they're of reproducing age, and not all carriers of the gene are redheads.
 
2014-07-05 02:15:30 AM  

Dragonflew: mcmnky: no Faye Reagan.

I have no idea why, but she looks like she would smell odd.


Made me laugh.
Faye is a cutie, but still just another run of the mill porn slut. I much prefer the pics up there of natural girls.

/and Susan Sarandon is still hot
 
2014-07-05 06:04:50 AM  
Eh, it's in hundreds of years.
White people will be rare enough, redheads would be like albinos.
 
2014-07-05 02:01:22 PM  
In before some a-hole posts a Carrot Top photo.
 
2014-07-05 07:42:10 PM  

Mister Peejay: In before some a-hole posts a Carrot Top photo.


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Won't be me.
 
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