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(Talking Points Memo)   Darrell Issa and House GOP : Dear President Obama: you know all those people who came to the US as children, know no other home and are peaceful productive members of our society? We demand you start deporting them immediately   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 196
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2014-07-03 01:24:01 PM  
Is Murrieta in his district? *looks it up*. Just outside his district. Whatever. Tired of this assbag.
 
2014-07-03 01:28:10 PM  
"First, we call on you to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program created, without congressional support, by your Administration in June, 2012," the Republicans wrote. "While the current program only applies to arrivals prior to 2007, the very existence of the program contradicts present law and violates the Constitutional principle of a separation of powers which grants primary law making authority to Congress."

Oh really?

Unaccompanied minors fall under the bipartisan law, William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which passed the House and Senate unanimously and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

That law says the children cannot be sent back. They must instead be held humanely by the Department of Health and Human Services until the courts release them to a "suitable family member" in this country.

The child "shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child," the law stipulates. "Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program ... if a suitable family member is not available to provide care."


Source
 
2014-07-03 01:28:43 PM  
Yes, this strongly worded letter will surely do the trick.
 
2014-07-03 01:31:33 PM  
I think we should deport arsonists and car thieves, citizens or not.  I'm lookin' at you, Issa.
 
2014-07-03 01:31:54 PM  
can we start with Ted Cruz and Bobby Jindal?
 
2014-07-03 01:35:19 PM  
President Obama,

I urge you to do the opposite of anything these lazy mouth breathers are requesting. In fact, many of these kids are fleeing terrible environments in their home countries and should be granted asylum as refugees from countries with horrible conditions and a high murder rate.

In fact if you really want to slow the almost inevitable movement of people into the country, end the War on Drugs. Not only is it a f*cking waste of money and resources but drug prohibition and enforcement is responsible for much of the violence and corruption and resulting flight out of places like Honduras, Mexico, and El Salvador.

Sincerely,
Most of America
 
2014-07-03 01:38:08 PM  
Remember: we have DO things for the children. Unless they're not OUR children, and by OUR children, I mean the children of good, church going folks, as opposed to those godless heathens...or even the children of folks who are just too darned poor to afford a Congresscritter...
 
2014-07-03 01:39:13 PM  
Does Issa realize what his plan will do to the price of cantaloupes?
 
2014-07-03 01:41:40 PM  

Diogenes: Does Issa realize what his plan will do to the price of cantaloupes?


there will be a shortage because they will just die in the field with no one to harvest them.
 
2014-07-03 01:48:47 PM  

oi50.tinypic.com

 
2014-07-03 01:54:50 PM  

ManateeGag: Diogenes: Does Issa realize what his plan will do to the price of cantaloupes?

there will be a shortage because they will just die in the field with no one to harvest them.


Well that's true.  But it's just one factor.   Right now cantaloupes are importing themselves and we're not paying any fees or tariffs.
 
2014-07-03 01:59:48 PM  
I like how Issa spends all his time being poutraged about nontraversies, and then complains when Obama doesn't do what he says.
 
2014-07-03 02:10:20 PM  
Impeach, you cowards
 
2014-07-03 02:11:07 PM  
It's pretty obvious n0bama is doing this for personal gain.  He came here illegally through no fault of his own. He doesn't want to be forced to go back.
 
2014-07-03 02:21:52 PM  

Diogenes: Oh really?


He's not talking about the recent arrivals, but about the ones who have been here since at least 2007, which would be influenced if the DREAM act passes. So while your point is interesting, it's not relevant to Issa's current dickishness.
 
2014-07-03 02:23:56 PM  

nmrsnr: Diogenes: Oh really?

He's not talking about the recent arrivals, but about the ones who have been here since at least 2007, which would be influenced if the DREAM act passes. So while your point is interesting, it's not relevant to Issa's current dickishness.


Correction accepted.  But I did find that interesting, too.  Especially the bipartisan passage.
 
2014-07-03 02:37:38 PM  
Assuming nothing insane happens between now and 2016, doesn't it seem like immigration will be the #1 issue of the 2016 campaign? Similar to how Iraq was the #1 issue in 2008 before the crash, and how Obamacare was the #1 issue in 2012.

How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?
 
2014-07-03 02:48:26 PM  

DamnYankees: How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?


It seems to me that I've heard conservatives argue that a strong stance on immigration will help the GOP with Latinos because those Latinos that can vote "played by the rules" and resent those that didn't.
 
2014-07-03 03:01:14 PM  

DamnYankees: Assuming nothing insane happens between now and 2016, doesn't it seem like immigration will be the #1 issue of the 2016 campaign? Similar to how Iraq was the #1 issue in 2008 before the crash, and how Obamacare was the #1 issue in 2012.

How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?


The are hoping to gin up outrage and energize their base and hope that enthusiasm translates into higher voter turn out than the dems whose voters typically are a lot less likely to vote in off year elections.   It worked very well in 2010 and they are hoping for a repeat
 
2014-07-03 03:05:32 PM  

DamnYankees: Assuming nothing insane happens between now and 2016, doesn't it seem like immigration will be the #1 issue of the 2016 campaign? Similar to how Iraq was the #1 issue in 2008 before the crash, and how Obamacare was the #1 issue in 2012.

How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?


Get used to saying "Madame President"
 
2014-07-03 03:09:16 PM  

Magorn: DamnYankees: Assuming nothing insane happens between now and 2016, doesn't it seem like immigration will be the #1 issue of the 2016 campaign? Similar to how Iraq was the #1 issue in 2008 before the crash, and how Obamacare was the #1 issue in 2012.

How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?

The are hoping to gin up outrage and energize their base and hope that enthusiasm translates into higher voter turn out than the dems whose voters typically are a lot less likely to vote in off year elections.   It worked very well in 2010 and they are hoping for a repeat


2016, not 2014. I know how it helps them in 2014.
 
2014-07-03 03:14:58 PM  
It seems to me that my life isn't made particularly worse because of Mexicans. Republicans, on the other hand...
 
2014-07-03 03:19:17 PM  

vernonFL: DamnYankees: Assuming nothing insane happens between now and 2016, doesn't it seem like immigration will be the #1 issue of the 2016 campaign? Similar to how Iraq was the #1 issue in 2008 before the crash, and how Obamacare was the #1 issue in 2012.

How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?

Get used to saying "Madame President"


Not to mention another 4 years will have gone by. In the American Southwest, that means 4 more years of kids born in the United States to illegal immigrants who came here in the boom years of the 90s. That's actually a huge demographic, and they are indeed registering to vote. I'll bet almost none of them are republican.
 
2014-07-03 03:33:51 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: DamnYankees: How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?

It seems to me that I've heard conservatives argue that a strong stance on immigration will help the GOP with Latinos because those Latinos that can vote "played by the rules" and resent those that didn't.


Not the Latinos who "played by the rules" that I work with.  They may not like the idea of illegal entry.  But that's certainly not enough to persuade them to vote for people who think they're all subhuman and unworthy of being American.

The ones I work with who did play by the rules and worked to gain citizenship also understand what a pain the in ass the process is.  Not that they think it should be easier or wasn't worth the effort.  But that simply saying "play by the rules" is an overly simplistic way of dismissing the difficulties and reality of the process.
 
2014-07-03 03:37:48 PM  

DamnYankees: Magorn: DamnYankees: Assuming nothing insane happens between now and 2016, doesn't it seem like immigration will be the #1 issue of the 2016 campaign? Similar to how Iraq was the #1 issue in 2008 before the crash, and how Obamacare was the #1 issue in 2012.

How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?

The are hoping to gin up outrage and energize their base and hope that enthusiasm translates into higher voter turn out than the dems whose voters typically are a lot less likely to vote in off year elections.   It worked very well in 2010 and they are hoping for a repeat

2016, not 2014. I know how it helps them in 2014.


Ahh then the answer is "they're screwed" jst like when they pulled this exact same play in 2006 and piad for it in 2008, though,  i think much like 08, the GOP knows they've got no shot anyway so really what does it hurt to destroy their nearly non-existent chances
 
2014-07-03 03:37:52 PM  

Diogenes: Three Crooked Squirrels: DamnYankees: How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?

It seems to me that I've heard conservatives argue that a strong stance on immigration will help the GOP with Latinos because those Latinos that can vote "played by the rules" and resent those that didn't.

Not the Latinos who "played by the rules" that I work with.  They may not like the idea of illegal entry.  But that's certainly not enough to persuade them to vote for people who think they're all subhuman and unworthy of being American.

The ones I work with who did play by the rules and worked to gain citizenship also understand what a pain the in ass the process is.  Not that they think it should be easier or wasn't worth the effort.  But that simply saying "play by the rules" is an overly simplistic way of dismissing the difficulties and reality of the process.


I agree.  I've just heard conservatives delude themselves with this line of reasoning before.  It's like they're unskewing the Latino mindset.
 
2014-07-03 03:41:02 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: I agree.  I've just heard conservatives delude themselves with this line of reasoning before.  It's like they're unskewing the Latino mindset.


It's the old "black people should be conservatives since they oppose abortions, and asians should be conservatives because they work hard!" Same argument.
 
2014-07-03 03:42:33 PM  
1.  This is a great example of how Republicans are heartless bastards.
2.  Obama has deported more people than Bush did.

doubleplusungood
 
2014-07-03 03:46:22 PM  
You know at this rate, today's GOP are going to be as shunned and reviled in the future as the segregationists of the 60's are today.

The History books of 2050 are NOT going to be kind to the 2014 GOP, nor to us for putting up with so much of their horsesh*t.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-07-03 03:47:51 PM  
I wonder how this will play out with the Beyoncé voters.
 
2014-07-03 03:49:54 PM  
"So sue me."
 
2014-07-03 03:51:06 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: DamnYankees: How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?

It seems to me that I've heard conservatives argue that a strong stance on immigration will help the GOP with Latinos because those Latinos that can vote "played by the rules" and resent those that didn't.


Given present immigration law, Latinos that "played by the rules" to get here are mostly going to be people who got here on skilled worker visas and are more likely to feel superior to the great unwashed masses that represent most of the illegal immigration. I suspect it's not really "I got here playing by the rules, why can't they?" so much as "I came here to get away from those people".
 
2014-07-03 03:52:08 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Impeach, you cowards


Do you know how pillaried they are for their various attempts to better the ACA.....  Do nothing, wasting time, slackjawed whackadoodles. Now guess what they would be called if they sent impeachment charges to a senate in the presidents backpocket.  A senate guaranteed not to move forward on the charges.
 
2014-07-03 03:52:10 PM  
"While the current program only applies to arrivals prior to 2007..."


Issa and his colleagues said Obama "must make an explicit public commitment that you will not support legislation that extends legal status to newly arriving illegal aliens no matter the age."



Does he not understand that "prior to 2007" and "newly arriving" are NOT the same thing?
 
GBB
2014-07-03 03:52:49 PM  

TV's Vinnie: You know at this rate, today's GOP are going to be as shunned and reviled in the future as the segregationists of the 60's are today.

The History books of 2050 are NOT going to be kind to the 2014 GOP, nor to us for putting up with so much of their horsesh*t.


The problem with that is that those segregationists of the 60's are who are propping up our current GOP.  So the current GOP, when they get older, will prop up the next generation of assholes.
 
2014-07-03 03:52:49 PM  

DamnYankees: Assuming nothing insane happens between now and 2016, doesn't it seem like immigration will be the #1 issue of the 2016 campaign? Similar to how Iraq was the #1 issue in 2008 before the crash, and how Obamacare was the #1 issue in 2012.


No. Well behind other issues in single digits. You think it is going to move that much?
 
2014-07-03 03:54:07 PM  

Mithiwithi: Three Crooked Squirrels: DamnYankees: How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?

It seems to me that I've heard conservatives argue that a strong stance on immigration will help the GOP with Latinos because those Latinos that can vote "played by the rules" and resent those that didn't.

Given present immigration law, Latinos that "played by the rules" to get here are mostly going to be people who got here on skilled worker visas and are more likely to feel superior to the great unwashed masses that represent most of the illegal immigration. I suspect it's not really "I got here playing by the rules, why can't they?" so much as "I came here to get away from those people".


To clarify, I'm speculating on the attitudes of just those Latinos who resent illegal immigrants for "not playing by the rules". I have no idea how common that attitude is among legal Latino immigrants.
 
2014-07-03 03:54:18 PM  

Saiga410: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Impeach, you cowards

Do you know how pillaried they are for their various attempts to better the ACA.....  Do nothing, wasting time, slackjawed whackadoodles. Now guess what they would be called if they sent impeachment charges to a senate in the presidents backpocket.  A senate guaranteed not to move forward on the charges.

HAHAHAHA

Wait, you actually believe this, don't you?
 
2014-07-03 03:55:09 PM  
Republican opinion on immigration matters is irrelevant.
 
2014-07-03 03:55:56 PM  
Republican outreach continues apace. Good news for the Dems.
 
2014-07-03 03:56:29 PM  
Vox card

Has the Obama administration's immigration policy encouraged children to come to the US illegally?

There's no evidence to suggest it has, and plenty of evidence to suggest it hasn't.

Some Republicans have blamed the influx of child migrants on the Obama administration's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which gave temporary protection from deportation and work eligibility to some young unauthorized immigrants. Rep. Darrell Issa is even circulating a letter telling President Obama to end the program because of the migrant influx.

However, immigrants who arrive now aren't eligible for DACA. Furthermore, the influx of unaccompanied children started in the fall of 2011 - DACA wasn't announced until June of 2012.

Two separate surveys of unaccompanied migrant children have confirmed that extremely few, if any, of them even know about the deferred action program, and none of them cited it as a reason for them to come. In a survey of 400 child migrants conducted by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, only one mentioned the possibility of benefiting from new immigration policies. A survey by a San Diego State University researcher found that fifteen out of 400 migrant children knew that children were treated differently under US law (they are), but didn't know how.
 
2014-07-03 03:59:17 PM  

Diogenes: "First, we call on you to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program created, without congressional support, by your Administration in June, 2012," the Republicans wrote. "While the current program only applies to arrivals prior to 2007, the very existence of the program contradicts present law and violates the Constitutional principle of a separation of powers which grants primary law making authority to Congress."

Oh really?

Unaccompanied minors fall under the bipartisan law, William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which passed the House and Senate unanimously and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

That law says the children cannot be sent back. They must instead be held humanely by the Department of Health and Human Services until the courts release them to a "suitable family member" in this country.

The child "shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child," the law stipulates. "Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program ... if a suitable family member is not available to provide care."

Source


Doesn't matter what "laws" or "statues" say. Obama is President and they have to smear him and attack him in any way possible or else they will be branded in the worse way possible.

a RINO.
 
2014-07-03 03:59:22 PM  

Diogenes: nmrsnr: Diogenes: Oh really?

He's not talking about the recent arrivals, but about the ones who have been here since at least 2007, which would be influenced if the DREAM act passes. So while your point is interesting, it's not relevant to Issa's current dickishness.

Correction accepted.  But I did find that interesting, too.  Especially the bipartisan passage.


Except for this part

Issa and his colleagues said Obama "must make an explicit public commitment that you will not support legislation that extends legal status to newly arriving illegal aliens no matter the age."

They are trying to paint this whole humanitarian crisis with Central American kids as Obama's fault and trying to blame it on the Dream Act, that is their new narrative why do you think the House is suddenly bringing up the Dream Act now, when in actuality the Dream Act has nothing to do with the influx of Central American kids at the border, this is being caused by the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 like Diogenes said.
 
2014-07-03 03:59:32 PM  
TV's Vinnie:

The History books of 2050 are NOT going to be kind to the 2014 GOP, nor to us for putting up with so much of their horsesh*t.

Not if the Texas school board has anything to say about it, and unfortunately, they do.  I'm sure there will be several chapters dedicated to the heroism of Ted Cruz and RAND PAUL.
 
2014-07-03 04:00:29 PM  
If only there was a process by which the House Republicans could have the ability to write immigration legislation :(
 
2014-07-03 04:01:38 PM  
The definition of true, ultimate karma is Darrell Issa being trapped in a stolen, burning car that uses one of his old Viper alarms. And as the flames get hotter and hotter, the car alarm activates and says "Please die in this car fire" in his voice..... over and over and over again.
 
2014-07-03 04:01:45 PM  
Hey, it's a Republican being an asshole. Color me shocked.
 
2014-07-03 04:02:50 PM  
I'm just curious how this particular scene is going to play out through the rest of the country. You had a lot of angry white people with poorly-made Gadsen flags stopping and turning back a string of buses with children on them, who are in a situation beyond their control and have nobody to care for them. Is this really the stand they wish to take? Get a couple of clips of small Guatemalan children looking scared through the windows while the Teabaggers rage outside and you've got several September ads just ready for the airwaves.
 
2014-07-03 04:03:01 PM  

Diogenes: Three Crooked Squirrels: DamnYankees: How can the GOP possibly expect to win a national election with this as the main issue? If they maintain their current stance, what percentage of Latinos will vote for the Democrat? 80%?

It seems to me that I've heard conservatives argue that a strong stance on immigration will help the GOP with Latinos because those Latinos that can vote "played by the rules" and resent those that didn't.

Not the Latinos who "played by the rules" that I work with.  They may not like the idea of illegal entry.  But that's certainly not enough to persuade them to vote for people who think they're all subhuman and unworthy of being American.

The ones I work with who did play by the rules and worked to gain citizenship also understand what a pain the in ass the process is.  Not that they think it should be easier or wasn't worth the effort.  But that simply saying "play by the rules" is an overly simplistic way of dismissing the difficulties and reality of the process.


Well, and a lot of Latinos who did go through the process are a little peeved at the GOP's pandering to Cubans, who cut in front of the line and didn't have to jump through nearly as many hoops.
 
2014-07-03 04:03:34 PM  
Jobs? Jobs? Jobs?

I wonder how long the Issa circus sideshow would continue if the Democrats take the House this November
 
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