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(WTOP)   Lee Boyd Malvo, the DC sniper, believes that he's learned some important lessons about not using human beings as target practice and would like to be let out of prison now, please   (wtop.com) divider line 56
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2014-07-03 09:06:38 AM
9 votes:
How about no
2014-07-03 11:42:12 AM
6 votes:
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The victims should be remembered.  He can be left there or fried.  Either way he should not be left out.
2014-07-03 09:30:56 AM
4 votes:

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-03 09:14:59 AM
3 votes:
Let his head out today.

Let his body out next week.
2014-07-03 11:32:59 AM
2 votes:

Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.


Actually, he doesn't. The guns are out there and easy to get - change the laws on that in the US and you just make it a little more difficult. Guns are a little more controlled here in Canada, but I could have one off the street within a couple hours. In such a scenario, Republicans are actually right for once; more people with guns would be the answer, not fewer.
2014-07-03 11:12:22 AM
2 votes:
dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.
2014-07-03 11:08:46 AM
2 votes:

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:



would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate.  Same with team #3:  When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Alternatively, you could have multiple teams operating independently in different areas.  Make it a nation-wide panic instead of just a regional one.  All teams activate on or about the same day, but they don't know anything about the other teams.

Something like that is much less risky from the perspective of a person planning this


Heck - with a couple of cans of gasoline with rags stuck in the top, a couple of bike locks and a lighter you could kill an entire building worth of people in one attack. You'd just need to choose the building carefully, and possibly block a back door with a car or something.

If all you want to do is cause damage there are many, many ways to do so without resorting to anything exotic - or even actual weapons. Just a little imagination and a modest modicum of planning. I'm honestly a little surprised there aren't more attacks on the public by either terrorists or disgruntled crazies. In fact, I recall reading some (leaked, IIRC) documents found by special forces in Al Quaeda hideouts way back in the beginning of the Afghanistan war that described some simple attacks on office buildings and other highly occupied spaces which would probably be pretty devastating.
2014-07-03 11:01:38 AM
2 votes:

IgG4: dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...

You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...


We military types have it drilled into us to think like the enemy. I've often thought exactly the same thing (though I didn't make the leap to hunting rifles... that's a good one).

The big thing that today's crop of terrorists fark up is being stuck on explosives for some reason. They'll bomb a bus, they'll bomb a market, they'll bomb a clinic, they'll bomb a marathon... just bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.

The IRA did it right during The Troubles. They did a little bombing, sure, but the terrifying part of their plots were the unpredictable nature of them. Bomb a restaurant one day. Wait a week. Shoot up a metro station. Wait two days. Attack a British Army checkpoint with a flamethrower (this one actually did happen).

For fark's sake, the hardest part of terrorism is recruiting. Al Qaida's got that in spades. The actual attacks are easy, especially in an urban environment... just be thankful that they're largely incompetent in that regard.

/Bomb
//Bomb bomb
///Bomb bomb bomb.
2014-07-03 10:56:42 AM
2 votes:

ChipNASA: SmackLT: Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

[c1.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.

Don't forget to ZIG ZAG.


Serpentine! Serpentine!
2014-07-03 10:54:18 AM
2 votes:
If they fried him when his partner was fried in 2009 we wouldn't be hearing about this now.
2014-07-03 10:14:07 AM
2 votes:
Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.
2014-07-03 09:59:39 AM
2 votes:
You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.


Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.
2014-07-03 09:53:07 AM
2 votes:
You know what Lee, I brought you something, it's in my pocket and...oh here it is.

www.unlimitedchoice.org
2014-07-03 09:34:24 AM
2 votes:
Oh, come on...look how innocent he is!

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
2014-07-03 09:31:37 AM
2 votes:

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


You appear to have given this a lot of thought.
2014-07-03 09:25:09 AM
2 votes:
Let him out of prison the same way they let his accomplice out.
2014-07-03 07:19:11 PM
1 votes:
Malvo killed ten people.

I know that in this day and age of forgiveness and feelings and society-is-to-blame political correctness that some people get one murder as a freebie, but that just means he's got nine more murders to work off the hard way.

Or the easy way: execution
2014-07-03 02:16:06 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: But when I was a gun owner, before I moved to Canada, I was informed by members of the Revolutionary War Veterans, a couple militia types and some really odd guys at the range that if I ever wanted a suppressor or silencer, they weren't hard to come by.  You can get them at the gun show, if you know the right guy.  Certainly from a home sale.


Really? You're going with the "I know a dude who said X?"

That's bullshiat, and the people who told you were BSing you. There's no shortage of that crap. Gun shows aren't a DMZ where everything goes. It's not Vietnam. There are rules. There are people who make their living by following the rules. You're sure as hell not going to see the guy at the table who is a class 3 SOT FFL (a legal dealer in NFA items) turn a blind eye from the dude over on the other side of the jerky seller who is selling suppressors made on a home lathe and isn't doing any paperwork whatsoever.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

No doubt that there's some jackasses out there making and selling things on the sly, but I've never met one (I'd drop the dime on them myself if I ever did) and doing it at a gun show would be utter insanity- they'd be busted before lunch on the first day.
2014-07-03 01:22:29 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.


Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.
2014-07-03 01:01:25 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: You know what a pro-gun rights advocate I am, and I'm just not seeing how being armed can help against a random single sniper shot.

And I've *TRIED* to think about ways it might help. And I can't think of any possible way it could help outside of the sniper team making a serious operational mistake.


Like Whitman?
dambreaker.files.wordpress.com
2014-07-03 12:59:55 PM
1 votes:

teenytinycornteeth: stevarooni: teenytinycornteeth: The difference is that we know who Osama and Tom Clancy were because one was established as an actual terrorist and one was established as an actual fiction writer. But when a guy who is already known as a gun "enthusiast" shows up in a public forum and starts in on an outrageously detailed step by step plan to carry out a terrorist attack...when no one else was even discussing it...it is nothing short of creepy.

Being a gun "enthusiast" immediately warrants being thought of as creepy and subject to FBI monitoring?  :-P  Gimme a break.

No it doesn't.  Nor did I say it was.  You must have missed the part where he gave us a four paragraph treatise on how he would carry out a terrorist attack, right down to the kind of gun and caliber of bullet.  Look, there are plenty of cool, collected gun lovers on this board, some of them even in this thread who don't, as someone up thread said "think about killing people all day".  Like I said, you can't win 'em all, but I know I'm not the only one a bit taken aback by his statement.  No skin off my nose.


So... you presume he's the only one who has performed this thought exercise? About how he would go about attacking his own defenses?

You'd prefer only the terrorists do this? I mean, the upside there is that every new attack gets to be its own special surprise! It's like your birthday, but with blood and destruction! (So, like your birth day...)

I mean, good luck.
www.ostrichheadinsand.com
2014-07-03 12:56:56 PM
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: dittybopper: LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.

Wouldn't help:  We're talking a single shot from, well, could be *ANYWHERE*.  Arming everyone isn't going to help in that situation, because even if everyone is open carrying an AR-15 like those OCTards*, what are they going to shoot at?  Each other?

The whole idea of a sniper attack like that isn't like shooting up a mall or school, where you go down in a blaze of glory and take as many as you can with you.  It's a single shot from some hidden place that could in theory be hundreds of yards away (or maybe only 50), and because the sniper is hidden and there is only a single shot, you have no idea where the shot came from.

Who would you shoot back at?

*That's going to be my new name for them.

It's not really a "this will stop the attacks" solution so much as "this makes these types of attack much more risky" solution. Like how vaccines work. A vaccine doesn't kill a raging viral infection, but, it can prevent infections from really taking root.


You know what a pro-gun rights advocate I am, and I'm just not seeing how being armed can help against a random single sniper shot.

And I've *TRIED* to think about ways it might help.  And I can't think of any possible way it could help outside of the sniper team making a serious operational mistake.
2014-07-03 12:56:04 PM
1 votes:

for good or for awesome: teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.

I think about killing many times a day.  I think most men do.  It's just part of how we are built and is so common we don't talk about it much.


This man speaks the truth-- just about the only thing that works really well to stop a man from thinking about mass murder is a big Ol' pair of titties right in the face.


So ladies-- It's well within your means to make society much safer for us all.

Don't let the next mass shooting be on your conscience.

You know what you need to do.
2014-07-03 12:36:59 PM
1 votes:

for good or for awesome: teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.

I think about killing many times a day.  I think most men do.  It's just part of how we are built and is so common we don't talk about it much.


The only thing that stops me from killing people is my built-in empathy for others, my deeply held moral beliefs, my intellectual aversion to the first use of force, the recognition that I have so much to lose, and the possible legal sanctions against me if I do.

Other than that though.....
 
Lighten up, Francis.


2014-07-03 12:28:46 PM
1 votes:

teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.


I think about killing many times a day.  I think most men do.  It's just part of how we are built and is so common we don't talk about it much.
2014-07-03 12:11:43 PM
1 votes:

Generation_D: You guys plotting your terror attacks on America realize that's exactly what Manson thought he was doing too, right? Murder some suburban white people in their homes, everyone thinks the Blacks did it, Helter Skelter.

So at the very least, you need a philosophy that can be summed up in a phrase taken from a pop song, so when they write the book and make the movie, they'll already have the tag line.


Operation Wrecking Ball?
2014-07-03 12:08:39 PM
1 votes:

Generation_D: I'm disputing that a 17 year old isn't capable of knowing right from wrong, and that he was somehow a victim in this. Or that had he and John Muhammad had never met, somehow he turns out OK. Strongly dispute that. If he was willing to kill to make a father figure happy, he would have found another outlet for it sooner or later, and been just as much a danger to himself or society as a result. With the possible exception of the military being able to use him, but even there I bet he gets himself either kicked out or else shoots up the base.


Absolutely he's capable of knowing right from wrong, which is why I have no problem with his life sentence. He shouldn't get out. Ever. But I can't agree with the idea that he was destined to be a mass murderer. He comes off as a passive follower, not a psychopath. Had he had a father figure who pushed him into healthier, non-shooty pursuits, taught him to respect himself and others, he would not have been a sniper. Of course I can't say that he would never have committed a crime. No one can. But he wouldn't have done this.

But at the end of the day he did do this. He chose to do it. So yes, he needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.
2014-07-03 12:06:03 PM
1 votes:

teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.

I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.

No, actually you are.  If you sit around thinking how 'fun' it would be to take out people with a sniper rifle, you're creepy.  Doesn't mean Stephen King isn't just means you are too.


I didn't say taking out people would be fun.

I said thinking about alternate means to accomplish a goal is fun:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

The goal in this case is terrorism, which is something I don't approve of, but that doesn't mean I can't think about it and put it forth as a matter of public discussion.

If I thought killing people was "fun" and I was planning to do something like that, I certainly wouldn't be talking about it on Fark.

In essence, you're equating Osama bin Laden with Tom Clancy, because Tom Clancy imagined using airliners as suicide weapons to attack government targets in the US.
2014-07-03 11:54:22 AM
1 votes:
No, Boyd Lee, your timeout isn't over yet.  Not by a long shot.
2014-07-03 11:43:15 AM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.

Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.


Strongly dispute that.

Easily led asshats are easily led asshats. If all it takes to motivate you to kill people is to be their father figure, you don't deserve to live in society. Goes for the Manson girls as well. That's why we never let them out either.

At age 17 you are plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and if you crave parental approval so hard you will kill innocent people for it, you don't belong anywhere in a free society, except possibly in the military. And even then there's rules.
2014-07-03 11:42:31 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: It's easy to see why you are so insistent upon not taking away the gun "rights" of mentally ill people.


I've never said that people who have been adjudicated to be mentally ill shouldn't have their right to possess a firearm taken away.

I only object to proposals where there isn't any due process involved, because that sort of thing can be egregiously abused.

But you knew that already.
2014-07-03 11:33:00 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.


You're forgetting the guy shot the evening before - the first person shot in Montgomery County - was a 55 year old, well-off white guy. And they shot a few well-off white folks in VA after they left MoCo. So it really was a mix of people. Well-to-do white folks among them.

That said, I don't have any doubt that if all the victims had been working class folks - like the poor taxi and bus drivers that got shot - that the reaction would have been the same. The problem that scared folks was just the mysterious nature of the shootings - totally random times, totally random targets, totally random places, totally anonymous shooter, no known motivation...
2014-07-03 11:30:29 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.
2014-07-03 11:28:38 AM
1 votes:

Katolu: You make a great case for gun control.


Very true.

However, since there is no possible way you can stop something like that without a complete ban on guns, which has been ruled by the Supreme Court to be explicitly unconstitutional in the US, twice, I'm not all that worried about it.
2014-07-03 11:25:41 AM
1 votes:

MythDragon: I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.


Yup. Al-Qaeda's failing is that they wanted to strike at symbols. Well, the WTC and Pentagon may be huge office buildings, but most Americans not only don't work there, but have never seen them with their own eyes.

You want to freak people out? Strike at the mundane everyday places. Grocery stores. Fast food joints. Gas stations. Look at how much some were panicked after the shootings in the theater in Colorado and the grade school in Sandy Hook... places that are not generally seen as dangerous.

Hell, even the crappy movie Invasion USA goes along with this- they're hitting houses in the suburbs, school buses, and things like that. Yes, the movie was nothing more than a Chuck Norris shoot em up, but it's an example of people realizing what to do if one wants to panic the populace.

It's not hard to stampede the herd. You start by making them feel threatened in places they once thought of as safe. It's not possible to secure that many places with police/counterterror... it's also not possible to keep miscreants from getting their hands on the tools to threaten such places effectively.
2014-07-03 11:21:02 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


And in particular, I would have my teams target elementary schools and large shopping centers.  Maybe school buses.  You're trying for the most terror possible, right?  Massive disruption?  You'd get it targeting little kids and malls.  See how fast parents keep their kids out of school, and how quickly you chew up police budgets if they have to send a squad car after every bus in the country, SWAT teams surrounding every school, mall, and shopping center.  Better than your light skinned Arab, try to use racial groups against each other.  White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods, dark skinned ones in white suburbs.  If you're lucky, when the authorities catch up with your teams, you'll fan racial hatred and discord, and you might be able to spark some riots.  Commerce will be restricted, schools shut down, race riots started.  Massive disruptions for the cost of 12-15 men.

/Posting this from Ft. Meade, MD
//Why make them travel to come interview me
2014-07-03 11:17:51 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.


I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.
2014-07-03 11:17:26 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Notabunny: The good news is that with open-carry becoming so popular, Malvo won't have to hide in a trunk any more.

How many people have you seen open-carrying?


Well, none. But to be fair, I haven't seen anyone hiding in a trunk, either.
2014-07-03 11:16:50 AM
1 votes:

airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.


Pfft. Like they need that.

I find it amusing how people are under the impression that evil people are somehow unable to think up ways to harm others. There's always a way. Even in prison, with super strict security, no privacy, and a constant threat of searches, the inmates find a way.

It's just not possible to stay 100% secure by keeping ideas/tools out of the hands of those who would do harm. That's a fool's errand. Better to be imaginative and vigilant to stop them when they try to pull something.
2014-07-03 11:12:21 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.


Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.
2014-07-03 11:11:23 AM
1 votes:
As far as Malvo is concerned: No.

You were treated as an adult under the law properly.  You were an active accomplice before, during and after the fact.  You indeed pulled the trigger at least twice.  Age shouldn't matter here. No parole. period.
2014-07-03 11:10:58 AM
1 votes:
cdn.fansided.com

Are you sure Lee? Are you sure that's what you want?
2014-07-03 11:09:47 AM
1 votes:
Hey, Lee Boyd, why don't you do me a favor:

Continue to absorb incredible amounts of prison dick, and go fark yourself.

You can get out when you can resurrect the people you killed.
2014-07-03 11:09:30 AM
1 votes:

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


Rich white people are a national treasure, though.
2014-07-03 11:09:13 AM
1 votes:
How about changing your sentence to what your cohort, John Allen Muhammad, was given?
2014-07-03 10:59:38 AM
1 votes:
Let him out, one limb at a time.
gja [TotalFark]
2014-07-03 10:58:59 AM
1 votes:

Generation_D: How about no


Works for me.

/thread done in 1
2014-07-03 10:48:29 AM
1 votes:
willkara.com
2014-07-03 10:44:16 AM
1 votes:
Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

c1.staticflickr.com

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.
2014-07-03 10:42:14 AM
1 votes:
Let him out, but we get to start shooting at him as soon as he walks through the prison gates.
2014-07-03 10:41:19 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


You make a great case for gun control.
2014-07-03 10:38:05 AM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.


You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".
2014-07-03 09:27:35 AM
1 votes:
I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

cdn.armslist.com

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate.  Same with team #3:  When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Alternatively, you could have multiple teams operating independently in different areas.  Make it a nation-wide panic instead of just a regional one.  All teams activate on or about the same day, but they don't know anything about the other teams.

Something like that is much less risky from the perspective of a person planning this
2014-07-03 09:24:46 AM
1 votes:
Give the kid a break. He's contrite. Where is your heart?

Not really. That kid can rot. Just thought someone should take up the other position for the sake of discussion.
2014-07-03 09:21:28 AM
1 votes:
I'm gonna go with no on this one as well.
2014-07-03 09:20:21 AM
1 votes:
How about 'Oh HELL NO!'
 
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