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(WTOP)   Lee Boyd Malvo, the DC sniper, believes that he's learned some important lessons about not using human beings as target practice and would like to be let out of prison now, please   (wtop.com) divider line 233
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2014-07-03 09:06:38 AM
How about no
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-03 09:14:59 AM
Let his head out today.

Let his body out next week.
 
2014-07-03 09:20:21 AM
How about 'Oh HELL NO!'
 
2014-07-03 09:21:28 AM
I'm gonna go with no on this one as well.
 
2014-07-03 09:24:46 AM
Give the kid a break. He's contrite. Where is your heart?

Not really. That kid can rot. Just thought someone should take up the other position for the sake of discussion.
 
2014-07-03 09:25:09 AM
Let him out of prison the same way they let his accomplice out.
 
2014-07-03 09:27:35 AM
I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

cdn.armslist.com

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate.  Same with team #3:  When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Alternatively, you could have multiple teams operating independently in different areas.  Make it a nation-wide panic instead of just a regional one.  All teams activate on or about the same day, but they don't know anything about the other teams.

Something like that is much less risky from the perspective of a person planning this
 
2014-07-03 09:29:01 AM
I wonder how Elian Gonzalez feels about this?
 
2014-07-03 09:30:56 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...
 
2014-07-03 09:31:37 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


You appear to have given this a lot of thought.
 
2014-07-03 09:31:59 AM
Yes, yes he should be let out.

Then sent to the Bundy Ranch. Armed.
 
2014-07-03 09:34:24 AM
Oh, come on...look how innocent he is!

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2014-07-03 09:53:07 AM
You know what Lee, I brought you something, it's in my pocket and...oh here it is.

www.unlimitedchoice.org
 
2014-07-03 09:59:21 AM
I don't see any harm in it.  I say he served his time.
 
2014-07-03 09:59:39 AM
You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.


Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.
 
2014-07-03 10:03:36 AM
Hey, his name is Malvo.  If it was Bonvo, I could see maybe, but he's obviously the "Badvo", so no.
 
2014-07-03 10:11:20 AM
IF he was just a kid who was brainwashed, then I would consider it.

Has he been checked out by mental heath experts?
 
2014-07-03 10:14:07 AM
Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.
 
2014-07-03 10:38:05 AM

vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.


You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".
 
2014-07-03 10:41:19 AM

dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


You make a great case for gun control.
 
2014-07-03 10:42:14 AM
Let him out, but we get to start shooting at him as soon as he walks through the prison gates.
 
2014-07-03 10:42:40 AM

vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.


C'mon, the Bonvo joke wasn't that bad.  ;)
 
2014-07-03 10:42:44 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:



would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate.  Same with team #3:  When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Alternatively, you could have multiple teams operating independently in different areas.  Make it a nation-wide panic instead of just a regional one.  All teams activate on or about the same day, but they don't know anything about the other teams.

Something like that is much less risky from the perspective of a person planning this


Homerbackingupintobushes.jpg
 
2014-07-03 10:44:12 AM
is this the kid or the old guy? I might have a small amount of sympathy for the kid. Not enough to let him out of prison yet, mind you, but maybe someday.

I don't actually care enough to check, though.
 
2014-07-03 10:44:16 AM
Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

c1.staticflickr.com

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.
 
2014-07-03 10:45:14 AM
The good news is that with open-carry becoming so popular, Malvo won't have to hide in a trunk any more.
 
2014-07-03 10:45:28 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-03 10:45:33 AM

vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.


I know, I'm not even sure I want to comment in this thread because I'm pretty sure every single NSA alert has lit up the board like a Christmas tree...
 
2014-07-03 10:46:38 AM
Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.
 
2014-07-03 10:46:41 AM

SmackLT: Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

[c1.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.


Don't forget to ZIG ZAG.
 
2014-07-03 10:47:47 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:



would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate.  Same with team #3:  When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Alternatively, you could have multiple teams operating independently in different areas.  Make it a nation-wide panic instead of just a regional one.  All teams activate on or about the same day, but they don't know anything about the other teams.

Something like that is much less risky from the perspective of a person planning this


U scary, bro.
 
2014-07-03 10:48:29 AM
willkara.com
 
2014-07-03 10:50:00 AM
If he feels the penal system no longer has anything to offer him perhaps he could release himself on his own recognizance.
Like these guys
www.screentrek.com
 
2014-07-03 10:50:57 AM
Better do it.  We need to make room for a pot dealer.
 
2014-07-03 10:51:46 AM

Ponzholio: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

I know, I'm not even sure I want to comment in this thread because I'm pretty sure every single NSA alert has lit up the board like a Christmas tree...


I doubt the FBI/NSA has time to devote to all the gun nuts fantasizing online about how they could be a big man and blow lots of random people away so easily; they would never get anything else done.
 
2014-07-03 10:52:58 AM
Well, his attorney makes an unfortunate, but good point. Yet, somehow, I don't think he will get anywhere with the SCOTUS. I'm betting the case will never be heard and if it is, he will be ruled against unanimously. Some people are just too dangerous to ever be allowed to walk free again.
 
2014-07-03 10:53:58 AM

dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


As mentioned earlier, U scary bro

/thought something similar while the whole thing was going on.
//waited for the copy cats
 
2014-07-03 10:54:18 AM
If they fried him when his partner was fried in 2009 we wouldn't be hearing about this now.
 
2014-07-03 10:54:19 AM

dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


I think he meant, Expect a visit from Al Qaeda's planning division.
 
2014-07-03 10:54:22 AM

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


Yes, and that's exactly the way the hood wants it, too.

/you'd think after the LA riots that whitey would learn to keep his nose out of the black man's business
//but they're just too goddamn obsessed with being white knights out to save the Africans from themselves
 
2014-07-03 10:54:26 AM

Ponzholio: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

I know, I'm not even sure I want to comment in this thread because I'm pretty sure every single NSA alert has lit up the board like a Christmas tree...


Let's see if we can't get it lit up solid!

Chechnya
Dirty bomb
Sovereign citizen
Obama
Allah
Jihad
Molon Labe
Militia
Al Qaeda
Taliban
Waco
Ruby Ridge
Dam
Power Plant
Refinery
Oil pipeline
Freedom Tower
 
2014-07-03 10:55:38 AM
I am shocked that anyone else around here is shocked that dittybopper thinks about blowing things away a lot.
 
2014-07-03 10:56:08 AM
doubtfulnewscom.c.presscdn.com....

...hmm.  ::sigh::

ALLLLLL RIGHT.  Get outta here you li'l scamp!
 
2014-07-03 10:56:42 AM

ChipNASA: SmackLT: Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

[c1.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.

Don't forget to ZIG ZAG.


Serpentine! Serpentine!
 
2014-07-03 10:58:13 AM

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


Everyone knows "people... in the hood" are all gangsters anyway. They probably deserve it.
Also, all white people are rich becuz slaves and such.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-07-03 10:58:59 AM

Generation_D: How about no


Works for me.

/thread done in 1
 
2014-07-03 10:59:09 AM
He must still be a special treatment case.  I would have guessed he'd been shanked by now.
 
2014-07-03 10:59:29 AM

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-07-03 10:59:36 AM

Fish in a Barrel: Ponzholio: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

I know, I'm not even sure I want to comment in this thread because I'm pretty sure every single NSA alert has lit up the board like a Christmas tree...

Let's see if we can't get it lit up solid!

Chechnya
Dirty bomb
Sovereign citizen
Obama
Allah
Jihad
Molon Labe
Militia
Al Qaeda
Taliban
Waco
Ruby Ridge
Dam
Power Plant
Refinery
Oil pipeline
Freedom Tower


Snowden Snowden Snowden  Snowden  Snowden  Snowden  Snowden  Snowden    Snowden 
 
2014-07-03 10:59:38 AM
Let him out, one limb at a time.
 
2014-07-03 10:59:55 AM

ChipNASA: SmackLT: Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

[c1.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.

Don't forget to ZIG ZAG.


thisdistractedglobe.com
 
2014-07-03 10:59:55 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


Go one step farther. Each team is trained in a different method. One uses firearms, next explosives, next poison, etc.  Harder to detect a pattern.
 
2014-07-03 11:00:01 AM
Yeah, he's probably got a point; doesn't have to go to the SCotUS, that's just precedence that a lower court will follow.  And he'll probably still spend more time in prison than has Charles Manson.
 
2014-07-03 11:00:34 AM

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


You sound concerned
 
2014-07-03 11:01:38 AM

IgG4: dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...

You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...


We military types have it drilled into us to think like the enemy. I've often thought exactly the same thing (though I didn't make the leap to hunting rifles... that's a good one).

The big thing that today's crop of terrorists fark up is being stuck on explosives for some reason. They'll bomb a bus, they'll bomb a market, they'll bomb a clinic, they'll bomb a marathon... just bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.

The IRA did it right during The Troubles. They did a little bombing, sure, but the terrifying part of their plots were the unpredictable nature of them. Bomb a restaurant one day. Wait a week. Shoot up a metro station. Wait two days. Attack a British Army checkpoint with a flamethrower (this one actually did happen).

For fark's sake, the hardest part of terrorism is recruiting. Al Qaida's got that in spades. The actual attacks are easy, especially in an urban environment... just be thankful that they're largely incompetent in that regard.

/Bomb
//Bomb bomb
///Bomb bomb bomb.
 
2014-07-03 11:01:56 AM

IgG4: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...


In any thread, regardless of topic, he will drone on and on and on about guns. It's relentlessly boring.
 
2014-07-03 11:03:38 AM

Rhino_man: We military types have it drilled into us to think like the enemy. I've often thought exactly the same thing (though I didn't make the leap to hunting rifles... that's a good one).

The big thing that today's crop of terrorists fark up is being stuck on explosives for some reason. They'll bomb a bus, they'll bomb a market, they'll bomb a clinic, they'll bomb a marathon... just bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.

The IRA did it right during The Troubles. They did a little bombing, sure, but the terrifying part of their plots were the unpredictable nature of them. Bomb a restaurant one day. Wait a week. Shoot up a metro station. Wait two days. Attack a British Army checkpoint with a flamethrower (this one actually did happen).

For fark's sake, the hardest part of terrorism is recruiting. Al Qaida's got that in spades. The actual attacks are easy, especially in an urban environment... just be thankful that they're largely incompetent in that regard.


It seems they often are. The Germans in WWI were complete cockups at sabotage. The NYPD broke them open for god's sake.
 
2014-07-03 11:04:19 AM

Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.


He also makes a great case for "if there's a will there's a way..."
 
2014-07-03 11:05:41 AM

dittybopper: Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.


Farther than NoVA.  I still remember when the guy got shot in Ashland--Richmond and the surrounding counties closed the schools down the next day.  Keep in mind that Ashland is TWENTY-FIVE MILES from Richmond.  Also I remember people going to gas stations and sitting in their cars while getting fill-ups.  That was a weird time.

/stupid kid was stupid
 
2014-07-03 11:06:10 AM

dittybopper: Hey, his name is Malvo.  If it was Bonvo, I could see maybe, but he's obviously the "Badvo", so no.


Latin thread was yesterday!  ;->
 
2014-07-03 11:07:22 AM

dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.
 
2014-07-03 11:08:46 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:



would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate.  Same with team #3:  When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Alternatively, you could have multiple teams operating independently in different areas.  Make it a nation-wide panic instead of just a regional one.  All teams activate on or about the same day, but they don't know anything about the other teams.

Something like that is much less risky from the perspective of a person planning this


Heck - with a couple of cans of gasoline with rags stuck in the top, a couple of bike locks and a lighter you could kill an entire building worth of people in one attack. You'd just need to choose the building carefully, and possibly block a back door with a car or something.

If all you want to do is cause damage there are many, many ways to do so without resorting to anything exotic - or even actual weapons. Just a little imagination and a modest modicum of planning. I'm honestly a little surprised there aren't more attacks on the public by either terrorists or disgruntled crazies. In fact, I recall reading some (leaked, IIRC) documents found by special forces in Al Quaeda hideouts way back in the beginning of the Afghanistan war that described some simple attacks on office buildings and other highly occupied spaces which would probably be pretty devastating.
 
2014-07-03 11:08:47 AM

Notabunny: The good news is that with open-carry becoming so popular, Malvo won't have to hide in a trunk any more.


How many people have you seen open-carrying?
 
2014-07-03 11:09:13 AM
How about changing your sentence to what your cohort, John Allen Muhammad, was given?
 
2014-07-03 11:09:27 AM

vernonFL: IF he was just a kid who was brainwashed, then I would consider it.

Has he been checked out by mental heath experts?


Don't know about his current psychological status (though he sounds "better" from what I've read and heard the past few years) but yeah, it's an interesting story. His relationship with John Allen Muhammad and how he was groomed by him is pretty farked up.
 
2014-07-03 11:09:30 AM

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


Rich white people are a national treasure, though.
 
2014-07-03 11:09:47 AM
Hey, Lee Boyd, why don't you do me a favor:

Continue to absorb incredible amounts of prison dick, and go fark yourself.

You can get out when you can resurrect the people you killed.
 
2014-07-03 11:09:48 AM
Okay, you're free to go.
1.bp.blogspot.com

Just across the large open field. Go ahead. The gun? Oh, I always carry this old thing with me. Well, what are you waiting for? Go. You're free.
 
2014-07-03 11:10:41 AM

doomjesse: Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.

He also makes a great case for "if there's a will there's a way..."


i1.ytimg.com

Song is gonna be stuck in my head all day now, tyvm
 
2014-07-03 11:10:43 AM

This text is now purple: Rhino_man: We military types have it drilled into us to think like the enemy. I've often thought exactly the same thing (though I didn't make the leap to hunting rifles... that's a good one).

The big thing that today's crop of terrorists fark up is being stuck on explosives for some reason. They'll bomb a bus, they'll bomb a market, they'll bomb a clinic, they'll bomb a marathon... just bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.

The IRA did it right during The Troubles. They did a little bombing, sure, but the terrifying part of their plots were the unpredictable nature of them. Bomb a restaurant one day. Wait a week. Shoot up a metro station. Wait two days. Attack a British Army checkpoint with a flamethrower (this one actually did happen).

For fark's sake, the hardest part of terrorism is recruiting. Al Qaida's got that in spades. The actual attacks are easy, especially in an urban environment... just be thankful that they're largely incompetent in that regard.

It seems they often are. The Germans in WWI were complete cockups at sabotage. The NYPD broke them open for god's sake.


This is what happens when forces that are used to fighting against armies start trying to fight against populations. They do it all wrong.

The current crop of Islamic extremists were trained to fight off a Soviet invasion. They haven't updated their tactics all that much, thank fark.
 
2014-07-03 11:10:58 AM
cdn.fansided.com

Are you sure Lee? Are you sure that's what you want?
 
2014-07-03 11:11:23 AM
As far as Malvo is concerned: No.

You were treated as an adult under the law properly.  You were an active accomplice before, during and after the fact.  You indeed pulled the trigger at least twice.  Age shouldn't matter here. No parole. period.
 
2014-07-03 11:12:21 AM

dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.


Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.
 
2014-07-03 11:12:22 AM
dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.
 
2014-07-03 11:12:24 AM

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


Except none of the victims were rich white people.
 
2014-07-03 11:15:14 AM
After long consideration, my carefully worded and well thought out response is: Fark you.
 
2014-07-03 11:15:31 AM

MythDragon: dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.


I don't think they would actually wear numbers
 
2014-07-03 11:15:59 AM
If I would have found them when I was up there looking for them, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Sadly I was looking in wooded areas and not for a person inside a car.

I think he should have got death even though they say he was controlled by the other guy. Still let him rot in there and then put him in the ground in the prison yard so he never gets out.
 
2014-07-03 11:16:50 AM

airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.


Pfft. Like they need that.

I find it amusing how people are under the impression that evil people are somehow unable to think up ways to harm others. There's always a way. Even in prison, with super strict security, no privacy, and a constant threat of searches, the inmates find a way.

It's just not possible to stay 100% secure by keeping ideas/tools out of the hands of those who would do harm. That's a fool's errand. Better to be imaginative and vigilant to stop them when they try to pull something.
 
2014-07-03 11:17:26 AM

FLMountainMan: Notabunny: The good news is that with open-carry becoming so popular, Malvo won't have to hide in a trunk any more.

How many people have you seen open-carrying?


Well, none. But to be fair, I haven't seen anyone hiding in a trunk, either.
 
2014-07-03 11:17:51 AM

FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.


I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.
 
2014-07-03 11:18:08 AM

airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.


I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.
 
2014-07-03 11:19:13 AM

FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.


Dude, never let facts get in the way of a good ole race bait like that
 
2014-07-03 11:20:52 AM

FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.


Actually, it was a mix of people. Some were landscapers and bus drivers and other were indeed fairly well-off white people.
 
2014-07-03 11:21:02 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


And in particular, I would have my teams target elementary schools and large shopping centers.  Maybe school buses.  You're trying for the most terror possible, right?  Massive disruption?  You'd get it targeting little kids and malls.  See how fast parents keep their kids out of school, and how quickly you chew up police budgets if they have to send a squad car after every bus in the country, SWAT teams surrounding every school, mall, and shopping center.  Better than your light skinned Arab, try to use racial groups against each other.  White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods, dark skinned ones in white suburbs.  If you're lucky, when the authorities catch up with your teams, you'll fan racial hatred and discord, and you might be able to spark some riots.  Commerce will be restricted, schools shut down, race riots started.  Massive disruptions for the cost of 12-15 men.

/Posting this from Ft. Meade, MD
//Why make them travel to come interview me
 
2014-07-03 11:24:04 AM

FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.


I was trying to remember his name, but then you responded before I could. Thanks.

He was killed in Aspen Hill, at a gas station I've been to a hundred time before and since, and the babysitter (Sarah Ramos) killed right afterwards was killed in/near Leisure World, where my grandmother lived (though, like all old Jews, she was in Florida at the time).

Those two ruined my 21st birthday (October 2002). I'm normally against capital punishment, but this aggressions should not stand, man.
 
2014-07-03 11:24:17 AM

dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


It's easy to see why you are so insistent upon not taking away the gun "rights" of mentally ill people.
 
2014-07-03 11:24:28 AM
I'm just not sure that he is going to do well in prison.  Are we sure their aren't anymore options?  Like Dittybopper's half-way house for the regretful sniper.
 
2014-07-03 11:25:41 AM

MythDragon: I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.


Yup. Al-Qaeda's failing is that they wanted to strike at symbols. Well, the WTC and Pentagon may be huge office buildings, but most Americans not only don't work there, but have never seen them with their own eyes.

You want to freak people out? Strike at the mundane everyday places. Grocery stores. Fast food joints. Gas stations. Look at how much some were panicked after the shootings in the theater in Colorado and the grade school in Sandy Hook... places that are not generally seen as dangerous.

Hell, even the crappy movie Invasion USA goes along with this- they're hitting houses in the suburbs, school buses, and things like that. Yes, the movie was nothing more than a Chuck Norris shoot em up, but it's an example of people realizing what to do if one wants to panic the populace.

It's not hard to stampede the herd. You start by making them feel threatened in places they once thought of as safe. It's not possible to secure that many places with police/counterterror... it's also not possible to keep miscreants from getting their hands on the tools to threaten such places effectively.
 
2014-07-03 11:26:18 AM
Tired of being ass raped is he???  To Bad, Not Sad!
 
2014-07-03 11:26:32 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that...


They've thought of it. I'm pretty sure I read it in one of those declassified memos from the previous admin.  In fact the guy who organized these shootings had a larger plan to train more young people to expand the attacks and use other methods.
 
2014-07-03 11:26:38 AM

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


When you really think about it, it's the white people's fault that they got shot.  They may be the victim but that doesn't mean they're not to blame.
 
2014-07-03 11:27:48 AM

IgG4: ...


DittyBomber, amirite?
 
2014-07-03 11:28:12 AM
How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.
 
2014-07-03 11:28:38 AM

Katolu: You make a great case for gun control.


Very true.

However, since there is no possible way you can stop something like that without a complete ban on guns, which has been ruled by the Supreme Court to be explicitly unconstitutional in the US, twice, I'm not all that worried about it.
 
2014-07-03 11:29:26 AM

devildog123: White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods


You'd get more impact if you dress them as cops. Look for the fractures in society. Build the teams to exacerbate those fractures. If minorities worry about police brutality, use that as a lever to build mistrust with the government and law and order in general. If they're worried about stereotypes of minorities, then making them look like stereotypical gangbangers will cause them to be even more fearful of outsiders.

You fracture society even further, causing the whole to come that much closer to shattering.

/Some of you people have no imagination... your squeamishness with the topic is why this stuff would work so well.
 
2014-07-03 11:30:29 AM

dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.
 
2014-07-03 11:31:01 AM

walkerhound: ChipNASA: SmackLT: Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

[c1.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.

Don't forget to ZIG ZAG.

[thisdistractedglobe.com image 500x213]


Jack Black was actually enjoyable to watch in that movie..

/ :-)
 
2014-07-03 11:31:46 AM

JackieRabbit: Well, his attorney makes an unfortunate, but good point. Yet, somehow, I don't think he will get anywhere with the SCOTUS. I'm betting the case will never be heard and if it is, he will be ruled against unanimously. Some people are just too dangerous infamous to ever be allowed to walk free again.


More likely the case, best I can figure. He's screwed for life, in or out.

teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.


Indeed. I'm not sure which is creepier, how much he goes on about it, or the "fun" angle he sees in that.
 
2014-07-03 11:32:44 AM
And in particular, I would have my teams target elementary schools and large shopping centers.  Maybe school buses.  You're trying for the most terror possible, right?  Massive disruption?  You'd get it targeting little kids and malls.  See how fast parents keep their kids out of school, and how quickly you chew up police budgets if they have to send a squad car after every bus in the country, SWAT teams surrounding every school, mall, and shopping center.  Better than your light skinned Arab, try to use racial groups against each other.  White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods, dark skinned ones in white suburbs.  If you're lucky, when the authorities catch up with your teams, you'll fan racial hatred and discord, and you might be able to spark some riots.  Commerce will be restricted, schools shut down, race riots started.  Massive disruptions for the cost of 12-15 men.

The mall?  Really?  Try some small town Wal Marts and dingy little IGAs out in the middle of nowhere and then some Starbucks in heavier populated areas.  There's not much that can be done with it.  Heck you could get the firearms from the Wal Mart...
 
2014-07-03 11:32:46 AM

MythDragon: airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.

I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.


Actually, it has to be within a reasonable distance of a major news market, so it would attract the attention of the national news media, and they wouldn't have to go too far to report on it so they can use all of their reporting equipment they got layin' around the station.

So the Boston/NYC/Philly/DC areas, and parts of California (LA/SD/SF), and perhaps Chicago, and maybe a handful of other major cities.
 
2014-07-03 11:32:59 AM

Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.


Actually, he doesn't. The guns are out there and easy to get - change the laws on that in the US and you just make it a little more difficult. Guns are a little more controlled here in Canada, but I could have one off the street within a couple hours. In such a scenario, Republicans are actually right for once; more people with guns would be the answer, not fewer.
 
2014-07-03 11:33:00 AM

FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.


You're forgetting the guy shot the evening before - the first person shot in Montgomery County - was a 55 year old, well-off white guy. And they shot a few well-off white folks in VA after they left MoCo. So it really was a mix of people. Well-to-do white folks among them.

That said, I don't have any doubt that if all the victims had been working class folks - like the poor taxi and bus drivers that got shot - that the reaction would have been the same. The problem that scared folks was just the mysterious nature of the shootings - totally random times, totally random targets, totally random places, totally anonymous shooter, no known motivation...
 
2014-07-03 11:35:34 AM
Thermite 1600 Pennsylvania mad dog depleted uranium fertilizer guano diesel  fragmentation.
4th of July
fireworks
 
2014-07-03 11:38:28 AM

LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.


Wouldn't help:  We're talking a single shot from, well, could be *ANYWHERE*.  Arming everyone isn't going to help in that situation, because even if everyone is open carrying an AR-15 like those OCTards*, what are they going to shoot at?  Each other?

The whole idea of a sniper attack like that isn't like shooting up a mall or school, where you go down in a blaze of glory and take as many as you can with you.  It's a single shot from some hidden place that could in theory be hundreds of yards away (or maybe only 50), and because the sniper is hidden and there is only a single shot, you have no idea where the shot came from.

Who would you shoot back at?

*That's going to be my new name for them.
 
2014-07-03 11:38:38 AM

LavenderWolf: Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.

Actually, he doesn't. The guns are out there and easy to get - change the laws on that in the US and you just make it a little more difficult. Guns are a little more controlled here in Canada, but I could have one off the street within a couple hours. In such a scenario, Republicans are actually right for once; more people with guns would be the answer, not fewer.


I guess I should have put the old :-P or such...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-03 11:38:53 AM
A serious response now: he's not asking to be released immediately, he's asking that he be declared eligible for parole hearings at some future date.

Massachusetts courts responded to the U.S. Supreme Court's juvenile life without parole decision by making juvenile killers eligible for parole after 15 years, as if they had committed second degree instead of first degree murder. Lawmakers want to raise the minimum sentence so it is effectively a life sentence without literally being a life sentence.
 
2014-07-03 11:38:58 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: MythDragon: dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.

I don't think they would actually wear numbers


Then that is were they would have screwed up. I'd have t-shirts made.
 'Terrorist Sniper Team 2.   We're scoping out a jihad!'
'Terrorist Sniper Team 3. 3rd time's the (c)harm"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 4. Blowin' your mind.'
''Terrorist Sniper Team 5. We put the Muslim in mausoleum"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 6. As in 6 feet under"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 8. Hey, what happened to 7?'

And they'd each get their own color.
 
2014-07-03 11:39:12 AM

MythDragon: airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.

I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.


Al quaeda and the like only seem to be concerned with NYC and DC to date. Everywhere else, they're either afraid to go or just use to hide out. Even then, none of he 9/11 hijackers hid out in small towns.
American culture is probably as alien to hem as theirs is to most Americans. And people in small towns like to ask new folks questions.
 
2014-07-03 11:39:36 AM

AteMyBrain: Snowden Snowden Snowden  Snowden  Snowden  Snowden  Snowden  Snowden    Snowden


BOING BOING
 
2014-07-03 11:40:34 AM
Remember that time on fark that a thread about a mass shooter turned into farkers posting how they'd start a terror attack on the USA? It was right before the 4th of July.
 
2014-07-03 11:40:37 AM

kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.


Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.
 
2014-07-03 11:41:41 AM

vudukungfu: Thermite 1600 Pennsylvania mad dog depleted uranium fertilizer guano diesel  fragmentation.
4th of July
fireworks


I know someone who is getting a visit from the SS! ♫
 
2014-07-03 11:41:42 AM

TheGreatGazoo: And in particular, I would have my teams target elementary schools and large shopping centers.  Maybe school buses.  You're trying for the most terror possible, right?  Massive disruption?  You'd get it targeting little kids and malls.  See how fast parents keep their kids out of school, and how quickly you chew up police budgets if they have to send a squad car after every bus in the country, SWAT teams surrounding every school, mall, and shopping center.  Better than your light skinned Arab, try to use racial groups against each other.  White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods, dark skinned ones in white suburbs.  If you're lucky, when the authorities catch up with your teams, you'll fan racial hatred and discord, and you might be able to spark some riots.  Commerce will be restricted, schools shut down, race riots started.  Massive disruptions for the cost of 12-15 men.

The mall?  Really?  Try some small town Wal Marts and dingy little IGAs out in the middle of nowhere and then some Starbucks in heavier populated areas.  There's not much that can be done with it.  Heck you could get the firearms from the Wal Mart...


OMFG start targeting the Wal Marts and this country is f*cked!
 
2014-07-03 11:42:01 AM

El Dudereno: American culture is probably as alien to hem as theirs is to most Americans. And people in small towns like to ask new folks questions.


To be fair, what little remains of America's small town culture is alien to most normal Americans.
 
2014-07-03 11:42:12 AM
img.fark.net

The victims should be remembered.  He can be left there or fried.  Either way he should not be left out.
 
2014-07-03 11:42:31 AM

jso2897: It's easy to see why you are so insistent upon not taking away the gun "rights" of mentally ill people.


I've never said that people who have been adjudicated to be mentally ill shouldn't have their right to possess a firearm taken away.

I only object to proposals where there isn't any due process involved, because that sort of thing can be egregiously abused.

But you knew that already.
 
2014-07-03 11:42:54 AM

Generation_D: .243 Winchester.


on the flip, using an oddball caliber like that would raise some flags, and probably be a bit easier to track than your average 5.56 or .308
 
2014-07-03 11:43:15 AM

namegoeshere: kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.

Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.


Strongly dispute that.

Easily led asshats are easily led asshats. If all it takes to motivate you to kill people is to be their father figure, you don't deserve to live in society. Goes for the Manson girls as well. That's why we never let them out either.

At age 17 you are plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and if you crave parental approval so hard you will kill innocent people for it, you don't belong anywhere in a free society, except possibly in the military. And even then there's rules.
 
2014-07-03 11:43:49 AM

MythDragon: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: MythDragon: dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.

I don't think they would actually wear numbers

Then that is were they would have screwed up. I'd have t-shirts made.
 'Terrorist Sniper Team 2.   We're scoping out a jihad!'
'Terrorist Sniper Team 3. 3rd time's the (c)harm"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 4. Blowin' your mind.'
''Terrorist Sniper Team 5. We put the Muslim in mausoleum"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 6. As in 6 feet under"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 8. Hey, what happened to 7?'

And they'd each get their own color.


Dude, they'd get caught right away gotta be more subtle

Definitely Not a Terrorist Cell
Definitely Not another Terrorist Cell
Definitely Not a Terrorist Cell like those first two
Terrorist Cell?  We don't even know those other guys
Totally just a group of Tourists that are shocked and appalled by the first four groups!
 
2014-07-03 11:44:40 AM
I would tell him "maybe" just to give him false hope.
 
2014-07-03 11:45:02 AM

akula: MythDragon: I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.

Yup. Al-Qaeda's failing is that they wanted to strike at symbols. Well, the WTC and Pentagon may be huge office buildings, but most Americans not only don't work there, but have never seen them with their own eyes.

You want to freak people out? Strike at the mundane everyday places. Grocery stores. Fast food joints. Gas stations. Look at how much some were panicked after the shootings in the theater in Colorado and the grade school in Sandy Hook... places that are not generally seen as dangerous.

Hell, even the crappy movie Invasion USA goes along with this- they're hitting houses in the suburbs, school buses, and things like that. Yes, the movie was nothing more than a Chuck Norris shoot em up, but it's an example of people realizing what to do if one wants to panic the populace.

It's not hard to stampede the herd. You start by making them feel threatened in places they once thought of as safe. It's not possible to secure that many places with police/counterterror... it's also not possible to keep miscreants from getting their hands on the tools to threaten such places effectively.


Holy fark, just imagine the terror after a series of random home invasions turned multiple murders, with videos of the family being brutally murdered left playing on the TV.  If you attack public places, people only feel safe in their homes... if you attack homes too... jeebus.
 
2014-07-03 11:48:13 AM
You guys plotting your terror attacks on America realize that's exactly what Manson thought he was doing too, right? Murder some suburban white people in their homes, everyone thinks the Blacks did it, Helter Skelter.

So at the very least, you need a philosophy that can be summed up in a phrase taken from a pop song, so when they write the book and make the movie, they'll already have the tag line.
 
2014-07-03 11:48:43 AM

Marisyana: dittybopper: Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

Farther than NoVA.  I still remember when the guy got shot in Ashland--Richmond and the surrounding counties closed the schools down the next day.  Keep in mind that Ashland is TWENTY-FIVE MILES from Richmond.  Also I remember people going to gas stations and sitting in their cars while getting fill-ups.  That was a weird time.

/stupid kid was stupid


Let's just say that shopping has been a little more boring since those two were caught....


/Fredericksburg Fredneck
 
2014-07-03 11:49:52 AM

dittybopper: MythDragon: airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.

I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.

Actually, it has to be within a reasonable distance of a major news market, so it would attract the attention of the national news media, and they wouldn't have to go too far to report on it so they can use all of their reporting equipment they got layin' around the station.

So the Boston/NYC/Philly/DC areas, and parts of California (LA/SD/SF), and perhaps Chicago, and maybe a handful of other major cities.


Charlotte, Atlanta, any of the Florida cities, Houston, Dallas... and I think that pretty much completes the list.  Atlanta would be especially easy due to CNN's headquarters being there.
 
2014-07-03 11:50:38 AM

teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.


I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.
 
2014-07-03 11:51:32 AM

jaylectricity: Oh, come on...look how innocent he is!

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 301x167]


Came for this...leaving happy.
 
2014-07-03 11:51:38 AM

Generation_D: namegoeshere: kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.

Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.

Strongly dispute that.

Easily led asshats are easily led asshats. If all it takes to motivate you to kill people is to be their father figure, you don't deserve to live in society. Goes for the Manson girls as well. That's why we never let them out either.

At age 17 you are plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and if you crave parental approval so hard you will kill innocent people for it, you don't belong anywhere in a free society, except possibly in the military. And even then there's rules.


What are you disputing? Because I agree that he should serve his full life sentence.

Doesn't mean I don't feel for the kid, though.
 
2014-07-03 11:52:23 AM

Rhino_man: Holy fark, just imagine the terror after a series of random home invasions turned multiple murders, with videos of the family being brutally murdered left playing on the TV.  If you attack public places, people only feel safe in their homes... if you attack homes too... jeebus.


Yeah, mix that in with targeting school busses

www.d118.org


Wal-Marts on Black Friday:

img.fark.net


And the security line at airports:

security-today.com


You would have a seriously freaked out nation pretty quick.
 
2014-07-03 11:54:22 AM
No, Boyd Lee, your timeout isn't over yet.  Not by a long shot.
 
2014-07-03 11:54:32 AM

CSM101: Generation_D: .243 Winchester.

on the flip, using an oddball caliber like that would raise some flags, and probably be a bit easier to track than your average 5.56 or .308


.243 is hardly an oddball. It's a very popular medium game cartridge. Moreover, you're probably firing it from a bolt action, so you don't have cases left lying around to find. The bullets themselves, well, they may tell you something or they may not- if one would use expanding hunting rounds, there likely wouldn't be much ability for forensics to even begin matching them to one another. Moreover, even if they have a perfect condition bullet recovered from a victim then ALL they know is it's a 6mm bullet- maybe it came from a .243 Win, maybe a 6mm Rem, maybe a .243WSSM, etc. Not much help.

Sure, I wouldn't think some funky wildcat would be ideal, but anything that's in general use would be plenty sufficient. If you're just taking one shot here and one shot there a few boxes of ammo would be plenty- and those can be purchased one at a time from places all across the land (or even ordered in bulk long before you ever do anything).
 
2014-07-03 11:54:46 AM

namegoeshere: Generation_D: namegoeshere: kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.

Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.

Strongly dispute that.

Easily led asshats are easily led asshats. If all it takes to motivate you to kill people is to be their father figure, you don't deserve to live in society. Goes for the Manson girls as well. That's why we never let them out either.

At age 17 you are plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and if you crave parental approval so hard you will kill innocent people for it, you don't belong anywhere in a free society, except possibly in the military. And even then there's rules.

What are you disputing? Because I agree that he should serve his full life sentence.

Doesn't mean I don't feel for the kid, though.


I'm disputing that a 17 year old isn't capable of knowing right from wrong, and that he was somehow a victim in this. Or that had he and John Muhammad had never met, somehow he turns out OK. Strongly dispute that. If he was willing to kill to make a father figure happy, he would have found another outlet for it sooner or later, and been just as much a danger to himself or society as a result. With the possible exception of the military being able to use him, but even there I bet he gets himself either kicked out or else shoots up the base.
 
2014-07-03 11:56:28 AM

dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.

I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.


No, actually you are.  If you sit around thinking how 'fun' it would be to take out people with a sniper rifle, you're creepy.  Doesn't mean Stephen King isn't just means you are too.
 
2014-07-03 11:58:52 AM

CSM101: Generation_D: .243 Winchester.

on the flip, using an oddball caliber like that would raise some flags, and probably be a bit easier to track than your average 5.56 or .308


The .243 Winchester isn't an oddball caliber.  It's one of the top deer calibers, especially for youth and women.

My point was that if you want to avoid suspicion ahead of time, you don't want to walk into a store and purchase 10 boxes of .223 Remington or 7.62x39mm.  Rightly or wrongly, they imply a certain style of firearm.

Now, if you walk in and you buy 1 or 2 boxes .30-30 Winchester or 7mm Remington Magnum (or whatever non-military caliber) at any one particular place, and do it at several stores, no red flags will be raised.  You're just someone picking up some hunting or target ammo.
 
2014-07-03 11:59:26 AM

Riche: Rhino_man: Holy fark, just imagine the terror after a series of random home invasions turned multiple murders, with videos of the family being brutally murdered left playing on the TV.  If you attack public places, people only feel safe in their homes... if you attack homes too... jeebus.

Yeah, mix that in with targeting school busses

[www.d118.org image 400x422]


Wal-Marts on Black Friday:

[img.fark.net image 384x256]


And the security line at airports:

[security-today.com image 700x315]


You would have a seriously freaked out nation pretty quick.


m0.i.pbase.com
Have a shooter at the top or bottom of a long metro escalator empty two 30-round magazines and then run away... the list of ways to fark with the public just goes on and on and on.
 
2014-07-03 11:59:59 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


The fact that this hasn't happened yet proves there are NO TERRORISTS

The operational cost for something like this would be 2 idiots and a few hundred bucks per team, mostly for groceries

I would add that in addition to your sequential teams you also add in random access teams, each team rolls a d6 every week, if 6 comes up then they go shoot someone
This would add to the "terror" while also making a pattern nearly impossible to establish, especially if you have teams operating all over the country

Make sure to take long range pictures for the internet propaganda videos to publicly take credit (sent from home base in bumfarkistan obviously, otherwise whats the point of the whole terrorism thing)
 
2014-07-03 12:00:39 PM

Generation_D: Remember that time on fark that a thread about a mass shooter turned into farkers posting how they'd start a terror attack on the USA?

It was right before I think it was the 4th of July.


// you're welcome for the earworm
 
2014-07-03 12:01:22 PM

LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.


Yeah, throw into full overdrive lots of paranoid, well-armed patriots suspicious of everyone, that will end well. That's when the real terrorism starts.
 
2014-07-03 12:06:03 PM

teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.

I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.

No, actually you are.  If you sit around thinking how 'fun' it would be to take out people with a sniper rifle, you're creepy.  Doesn't mean Stephen King isn't just means you are too.


I didn't say taking out people would be fun.

I said thinking about alternate means to accomplish a goal is fun:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

The goal in this case is terrorism, which is something I don't approve of, but that doesn't mean I can't think about it and put it forth as a matter of public discussion.

If I thought killing people was "fun" and I was planning to do something like that, I certainly wouldn't be talking about it on Fark.

In essence, you're equating Osama bin Laden with Tom Clancy, because Tom Clancy imagined using airliners as suicide weapons to attack government targets in the US.
 
2014-07-03 12:07:36 PM
I see he hasn't lost his sense of humour.
 
2014-07-03 12:08:39 PM

Generation_D: I'm disputing that a 17 year old isn't capable of knowing right from wrong, and that he was somehow a victim in this. Or that had he and John Muhammad had never met, somehow he turns out OK. Strongly dispute that. If he was willing to kill to make a father figure happy, he would have found another outlet for it sooner or later, and been just as much a danger to himself or society as a result. With the possible exception of the military being able to use him, but even there I bet he gets himself either kicked out or else shoots up the base.


Absolutely he's capable of knowing right from wrong, which is why I have no problem with his life sentence. He shouldn't get out. Ever. But I can't agree with the idea that he was destined to be a mass murderer. He comes off as a passive follower, not a psychopath. Had he had a father figure who pushed him into healthier, non-shooty pursuits, taught him to respect himself and others, he would not have been a sniper. Of course I can't say that he would never have committed a crime. No one can. But he wouldn't have done this.

But at the end of the day he did do this. He chose to do it. So yes, he needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
2014-07-03 12:11:43 PM

Generation_D: You guys plotting your terror attacks on America realize that's exactly what Manson thought he was doing too, right? Murder some suburban white people in their homes, everyone thinks the Blacks did it, Helter Skelter.

So at the very least, you need a philosophy that can be summed up in a phrase taken from a pop song, so when they write the book and make the movie, they'll already have the tag line.


Operation Wrecking Ball?
 
2014-07-03 12:19:34 PM
Let me move his attorneys up to the top of my list of people I'll shoot down in broad daylight if I ever find out I have AIDS/cancer/brain tumor.
 
2014-07-03 12:19:56 PM

RembrandtQEinstein: The fact that this hasn't happened yet proves there are NO TERRORISTS

The operational cost for something like this would be 2 idiots and a few hundred bucks per team, mostly for groceries

I would add that in addition to your sequential teams you also add in random access teams, each team rolls a d6 every week, if 6 comes up then they go shoot someone
This would add to the "terror" while also making a pattern nearly impossible to establish, especially if you have teams operating all over the country

Make sure to take long range pictures for the internet propaganda videos to publicly take credit (sent from home base in bumfarkistan obviously, otherwise whats the point of the whole terrorism thing)


That's actually a bad idea from an operational security point of view.

The NSA/FBI would pretty quickly figure out who the masterminds are that way:  They are the ones receiving the video and then broadcasting it to the wider world online, and from that, they can work backwards to see who the other teams are through the analysis of travel, monetary transactions, and communications.
 
2014-07-03 12:20:18 PM

dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


Ive thought of things of that nature too and figured out how on the cheap you could terrorize a region. Brad Meltzer was part of a group that the government brought together and they would come up with ways to preform terrorist acts, they would be given a task like blow up the Super Bowl and they would let their minds run wild.  I was in the Silver Spring area at the time and not far from a few of the attacks, it made DC traffic that much more fun.
 
2014-07-03 12:21:39 PM

dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.

I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.

No, actually you are.  If you sit around thinking how 'fun' it would be to take out people with a sniper rifle, you're creepy.  Doesn't mean Stephen King isn't just means you are too.

I didn't say taking out people would be fun.

I said thinking about alternate means to accomplish a goal is fun:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

The goal in this case is terrorism, which is something I don't approve of, but that doesn't mean I can't think about it and put it forth as a matter of public discussion.

If I thought killing people was "fun" and I was planning to do something like that, I certainly wouldn't be talking about it on Fark.

In essence, you're equating Osama bin Laden with Tom Clancy, because Tom Clancy imagined using airliners as suicide weapons to attack government targets in the US.


I can't roll my eyes hard enough.  The difference is that we know who Osama and Tom Clancy were because one was established as an actual terrorist and one was established as an actual fiction writer.  But when a guy who is already known as a gun "enthusiast" shows up in a public forum and starts in on an outrageously detailed step by step plan to carry out a terrorist attack...when no one else was even discussing it...it is nothing short of creepy.  I didn't say you WERE a terrorist.  I said you were CREEPY.  That you sit around and work out these scenarios for no real reason (for example to write a book or a movie) than to daydream about using your guns is creepy.

Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.
 
2014-07-03 12:23:43 PM
Aw, shut up and eat your loaf.
 
2014-07-03 12:28:46 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.


I think about killing many times a day.  I think most men do.  It's just part of how we are built and is so common we don't talk about it much.
 
2014-07-03 12:31:48 PM

MythDragon: 'Terrorist Sniper Team 8. Hey, what happened to 7?'


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2014-07-03 12:32:43 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.


This is true.  I'm sorry that you feel the way you do.

Oh, and for the record,  Malvo should never see the light of day.
 
2014-07-03 12:34:00 PM

dittybopper: I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


I think they get a pretty good laugh when you start to act like you've invented the cellular network.
 
2014-07-03 12:34:11 PM

Prey4reign: No, Boyd Lee, your timeout isn't over yet.  Not by a long shot.



I see what you did there.
 
2014-07-03 12:34:12 PM

Rhino_man: Riche: Rhino_man: Holy fark, just imagine the terror after a series of random home invasions turned multiple murders, with videos of the family being brutally murdered left playing on the TV.  If you attack public places, people only feel safe in their homes... if you attack homes too... jeebus.

Yeah, mix that in with targeting school busses

[www.d118.org image 400x422]


Wal-Marts on Black Friday:

[img.fark.net image 384x256]


And the security line at airports:

[security-today.com image 700x315]


You would have a seriously freaked out nation pretty quick.

[m0.i.pbase.com image 800x532]
Have a shooter at the top or bottom of a long metro escalator empty two 30-round magazines and then run away... the list of ways to fark with the public just goes on and on and on.


In a giant chimney covered in grease?

Start a fire.
 
2014-07-03 12:34:42 PM

Rhino_man: /Bomb
//Bomb bomb
///Bomb bomb bomb.


a ding a dong dang Blue Moon...
 
2014-07-03 12:35:17 PM

Nabb1: Give the kid a break. He's contrite. Where is your heart?

Not really. That kid can rot. Just thought someone should take up the other position for the sake of discussion.


kid was 17 and under the influence of another. If you are never EVER going to let him out, then just do him a favor and pop one behind his ear. Locking a man up for the rest of his farking life when he is a teenager is not showing mercy.
 
2014-07-03 12:35:21 PM

Rhino_man: Have a shooter at the top or bottom of a long metro escalator empty two 30-round magazines and then run away... the list of ways to fark with the public just goes on and on and on.


He needs to be at the bottom. And he doesn't need to run away, he could just sit there for half an hour shooting people as they come down the escalator, because you know (At least in America) no one would be able to escape. Couldn't you just picture an escalator full of fat people heavily breathing as they try to move their short flabby legs as fast as they can, but despite their best effort, they are still going down faster than they are going up. And the look of panic on their faces as  each fatty down the line gets shot when they reach bottom., I think would be quite comical. But then, I'm a sick, sick person.
 
2014-07-03 12:36:59 PM

for good or for awesome: teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.

I think about killing many times a day.  I think most men do.  It's just part of how we are built and is so common we don't talk about it much.


The only thing that stops me from killing people is my built-in empathy for others, my deeply held moral beliefs, my intellectual aversion to the first use of force, the recognition that I have so much to lose, and the possible legal sanctions against me if I do.

Other than that though.....
 
Lighten up, Francis.


 
2014-07-03 12:37:21 PM

teenytinycornteeth: I can't roll my eyes hard enough. The difference is that we know who Osama and Tom Clancy were because one was established as an actual terrorist and one was established as an actual fiction writer. But when a guy who is already known as a gun "enthusiast" shows up in a public forum and starts in on an outrageously detailed step by step plan to carry out a terrorist attack...when no one else was even discussing it...it is nothing short of creepy. I didn't say you WERE a terrorist. I said you were CREEPY. That you sit around and work out these scenarios for no real reason (for example to write a book or a movie) than to daydream about using your guns is creepy.


So do you have a valid complaint, or were your feelings just hurt?

Try this:
dash.coolsmartphone.com
 
2014-07-03 12:37:25 PM

dittybopper: LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.

Wouldn't help:  We're talking a single shot from, well, could be *ANYWHERE*.  Arming everyone isn't going to help in that situation, because even if everyone is open carrying an AR-15 like those OCTards*, what are they going to shoot at?  Each other?

The whole idea of a sniper attack like that isn't like shooting up a mall or school, where you go down in a blaze of glory and take as many as you can with you.  It's a single shot from some hidden place that could in theory be hundreds of yards away (or maybe only 50), and because the sniper is hidden and there is only a single shot, you have no idea where the shot came from.

Who would you shoot back at?

*That's going to be my new name for them.


It's not really a "this will stop the attacks" solution so much as "this makes these types of attack much more risky" solution. Like how vaccines work. A vaccine doesn't kill a raging viral infection, but, it can prevent infections from really taking root.
 
2014-07-03 12:40:33 PM

carrion_luggage: [cdn.fansided.com image 850x622]

Are you sure Lee? Are you sure that's what you want?


ACES!!!!
 
2014-07-03 12:40:48 PM

teenytinycornteeth: The difference is that we know who Osama and Tom Clancy were because one was established as an actual terrorist and one was established as an actual fiction writer. But when a guy who is already known as a gun "enthusiast" shows up in a public forum and starts in on an outrageously detailed step by step plan to carry out a terrorist attack...when no one else was even discussing it...it is nothing short of creepy.


While dittybopper wasn't precisely continuing an existing thread in the conversation, it's pretty germane to the discussion.  People were talking about how freaked out they were during the D.C. shootings, and to discuss just how easy that is fits in with that conversation.  Thought games like this are pretty normal, and actually help by making people think about these kinds of situations without having to literally experience it before people understand the danger and can take action against it.

Being a gun "enthusiast" immediately warrants being thought of as creepy and subject to FBI monitoring?  :-P  Gimme a break.
 
2014-07-03 12:42:01 PM

strathmeyer: dittybopper: I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

I think they get a pretty good laugh when you start to act like you've invented the cellular network.


What gives you the impression that I think I invented it?

I just didn't use the terminology because I'm not speaking to professionals.  You say "independent autonomous cells" and it goes over many people's heads.
 
2014-07-03 12:42:54 PM

Rhino_man: the list of ways to fark with the public just goes on and on and on.


Yeah...

cdn1.vox-cdn.com

Maybe terrorists could start shooting up some GSA gatherings (extremist Muslims HATE empowered women, after all.)

How hard would it be to smuggle explosives into Disneyland?  I could imagine the effect of blowing up the "It's A Small World" ride.

In a seriously farked up way, it would be hilarious to watch Christian conservatives would flip-flop and waffle in their public statements if Muslim terrorists blew up a string of abortion clinics.

I should probably stop now.
 
2014-07-03 12:43:17 PM

LavenderWolf: dittybopper: LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.

Wouldn't help:  We're talking a single shot from, well, could be *ANYWHERE*.  Arming everyone isn't going to help in that situation, because even if everyone is open carrying an AR-15 like those OCTards*, what are they going to shoot at?  Each other?

The whole idea of a sniper attack like that isn't like shooting up a mall or school, where you go down in a blaze of glory and take as many as you can with you.  It's a single shot from some hidden place that could in theory be hundreds of yards away (or maybe only 50), and because the sniper is hidden and there is only a single shot, you have no idea where the shot came from.

Who would you shoot back at?

*That's going to be my new name for them.

It's not really a "this will stop the attacks" solution so much as "this makes these types of attack much more risky" solution. Like how vaccines work. A vaccine doesn't kill a raging viral infection, but, it can prevent infections from really taking root.


In places where population density is higher, it's going to be rather harder to get a spot that's isolated enough that you won't be spotted when you're doing your thing. While one gunshot can be hard to place (if you aren't looking at the location when it happens), if someone sees you building a nest with your rifle it's going to be game on.

Of course, that's why Malvo and his buddy used a vehicle as a mobile hide. That would more than likely be the best way to go about it- a panel van, a pickup truck with a decent sized bed, anything like that would work. If you could use an improvised suppressor it would cut down on risk of detection even more. But the moment anybody spots the thing the cat is out of the bag.
 
2014-07-03 12:48:42 PM
Fry him.
 
2014-07-03 12:49:47 PM

stevarooni: teenytinycornteeth: The difference is that we know who Osama and Tom Clancy were because one was established as an actual terrorist and one was established as an actual fiction writer. But when a guy who is already known as a gun "enthusiast" shows up in a public forum and starts in on an outrageously detailed step by step plan to carry out a terrorist attack...when no one else was even discussing it...it is nothing short of creepy.

Being a gun "enthusiast" immediately warrants being thought of as creepy and subject to FBI monitoring?  :-P  Gimme a break.


No it doesn't.  Nor did I say it was.  You must have missed the part where he gave us a four paragraph treatise on how he would carry out a terrorist attack, right down to the kind of gun and caliber of bullet.  Look, there are plenty of cool, collected gun lovers on this board, some of them even in this thread who don't, as someone up thread said "think about killing people all day".  Like I said, you can't win 'em all, but I know I'm not the only one a bit taken aback by his statement.  No skin off my nose.
 
2014-07-03 12:53:25 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: MythDragon: dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.

I don't think they would actually wear numbers


I think a snappy uniform can do a lot to foster some team spirit.
 
2014-07-03 12:56:04 PM

for good or for awesome: teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.

I think about killing many times a day.  I think most men do.  It's just part of how we are built and is so common we don't talk about it much.


This man speaks the truth-- just about the only thing that works really well to stop a man from thinking about mass murder is a big Ol' pair of titties right in the face.


So ladies-- It's well within your means to make society much safer for us all.

Don't let the next mass shooting be on your conscience.

You know what you need to do.
 
2014-07-03 12:56:48 PM

Riche: I could imagine the effect of blowing up the "It's A Small World" ride.


world-wide acclaim?
 
2014-07-03 12:56:56 PM

LavenderWolf: dittybopper: LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.

Wouldn't help:  We're talking a single shot from, well, could be *ANYWHERE*.  Arming everyone isn't going to help in that situation, because even if everyone is open carrying an AR-15 like those OCTards*, what are they going to shoot at?  Each other?

The whole idea of a sniper attack like that isn't like shooting up a mall or school, where you go down in a blaze of glory and take as many as you can with you.  It's a single shot from some hidden place that could in theory be hundreds of yards away (or maybe only 50), and because the sniper is hidden and there is only a single shot, you have no idea where the shot came from.

Who would you shoot back at?

*That's going to be my new name for them.

It's not really a "this will stop the attacks" solution so much as "this makes these types of attack much more risky" solution. Like how vaccines work. A vaccine doesn't kill a raging viral infection, but, it can prevent infections from really taking root.


You know what a pro-gun rights advocate I am, and I'm just not seeing how being armed can help against a random single sniper shot.

And I've *TRIED* to think about ways it might help.  And I can't think of any possible way it could help outside of the sniper team making a serious operational mistake.
 
2014-07-03 12:59:55 PM

teenytinycornteeth: stevarooni: teenytinycornteeth: The difference is that we know who Osama and Tom Clancy were because one was established as an actual terrorist and one was established as an actual fiction writer. But when a guy who is already known as a gun "enthusiast" shows up in a public forum and starts in on an outrageously detailed step by step plan to carry out a terrorist attack...when no one else was even discussing it...it is nothing short of creepy.

Being a gun "enthusiast" immediately warrants being thought of as creepy and subject to FBI monitoring?  :-P  Gimme a break.

No it doesn't.  Nor did I say it was.  You must have missed the part where he gave us a four paragraph treatise on how he would carry out a terrorist attack, right down to the kind of gun and caliber of bullet.  Look, there are plenty of cool, collected gun lovers on this board, some of them even in this thread who don't, as someone up thread said "think about killing people all day".  Like I said, you can't win 'em all, but I know I'm not the only one a bit taken aback by his statement.  No skin off my nose.


So... you presume he's the only one who has performed this thought exercise? About how he would go about attacking his own defenses?

You'd prefer only the terrorists do this? I mean, the upside there is that every new attack gets to be its own special surprise! It's like your birthday, but with blood and destruction! (So, like your birth day...)

I mean, good luck.
www.ostrichheadinsand.com
 
2014-07-03 01:01:25 PM

dittybopper: You know what a pro-gun rights advocate I am, and I'm just not seeing how being armed can help against a random single sniper shot.

And I've *TRIED* to think about ways it might help. And I can't think of any possible way it could help outside of the sniper team making a serious operational mistake.


Like Whitman?
dambreaker.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-03 01:07:25 PM

mongbiohazard: FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.

You're forgetting the guy shot the evening before - the first person shot in Montgomery County - was a 55 year old, well-off white guy. And they shot a few well-off white folks in VA after they left MoCo. So it really was a mix of people. Well-to-do white folks among them.


Does "a few" mean "two" now?  Is that a thing?

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2014-07-03 01:14:00 PM

Generation_D: namegoeshere: Generation_D: namegoeshere: kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.

Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.

Strongly dispute that.

Easily led asshats are easily led asshats. If all it takes to motivate you to kill people is to be their father figure, you don't deserve to live in society. Goes for the Manson girls as well. That's why we never let them out either.

At age 17 you are plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and if you crave parental approval so hard you will kill innocent people for it, you don't belong anywhere in a free society, except possibly in the military. And even then there's rules.

What are you disputing? Because I agree that he should serve his full life sentence.

Doesn't mean I don't feel for the kid, though.

I'm disputing that a 17 year old isn't capable of knowing right from wrong, and that he was somehow a victim in this. Or that had he and John Muhammad had never met, somehow he turns out OK. Strongly dispute that. If he was willing to kill to make a father figure happy, he would have found another outlet for it sooner or later, and been just as much a danger to himself or society as a result. With the possible exception of the military being able to use him, but even there I bet he ge ...


If he committed the crimes at 17, he must have been groomed at an earlier age. I do not have all the facts or the expertise to make an informed decision on whether or not this man should ever be let out of prison and I seriously doubt anyone else on this thread does either. I do know that juveniles convicted of crimes should be considered different from adults and that there are ethical implications that should be carefully considered.
 
2014-07-03 01:17:03 PM

dittybopper: Something like that is much less risky from the perspective of a person planning this


You might want to give them some kind of common code for when to act so they can know if the authorities wise up and realize they are activating the teams by broadcasting.  That way they aren't sitting around not hearing anything for a few days just wasting valuable killing time.
 
2014-07-03 01:17:45 PM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

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would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


Funny thing is, something like this would achieve one of the (IMO) requirements for terrorism to be successful.

(Again, in my opinion) to successfully work on a western populace, terrorism would have to be something frequent, yet somewhat random.  Large-scale attacks and singular spectacular attacks don't cow the population enough; you either have to have near constant attacks everywhere or dramatically larger (ie, nuking multiple cities) to really paralyze a nation.

I don't see westerners ever going, "Give them what they want, just make it stop!" if there's just a bombing every few years.  You have to be able to hit at least every month, ideally almost daily, for possibly a few years, in order to get us fatigued to the point of caving to demands.

Oh, and back to topic: fark him, let him rot.
 
2014-07-03 01:18:58 PM

akula: LavenderWolf: dittybopper: LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.

Wouldn't help:  We're talking a single shot from, well, could be *ANYWHERE*.  Arming everyone isn't going to help in that situation, because even if everyone is open carrying an AR-15 like those OCTards*, what are they going to shoot at?  Each other?

The whole idea of a sniper attack like that isn't like shooting up a mall or school, where you go down in a blaze of glory and take as many as you can with you.  It's a single shot from some hidden place that could in theory be hundreds of yards away (or maybe only 50), and because the sniper is hidden and there is only a single shot, you have no idea where the shot came from.

Who would you shoot back at?

*That's going to be my new name for them.

It's not really a "this will stop the attacks" solution so much as "this makes these types of attack much more risky" solution. Like how vaccines work. A vaccine doesn't kill a raging viral infection, but, it can prevent infections from really taking root.

In places where population density is higher, it's going to be rather harder to get a spot that's isolated enough that you won't be spotted when you're doing your thing. While one gunshot can be hard to place (if you aren't looking at the location when it happens), if someone sees you building a nest with your rifle it's going to be game on.

Of course, that's why Malvo and his buddy used a vehicle as a mobile hide. That would more than likely be the best way to go about it- a panel van, a pickup truck with a decent sized bed, anything like that would work. If you could use an improvised suppressor it would cut down on risk of detection even more. But the moment anybody spots the thing the cat is out of the bag.


An un-altered Ford F-150 with a low-profile tonneau cover.  Huge amounts of room in the bed, and you could permanently lock up the tailgate, then remove the plastic handle and turn it into a plug very easily.  There's your sight hole, replaceable once you've fired.  There are tons of them on the road, so no one would suspect the slightest thing.  That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.
 
2014-07-03 01:22:29 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.


Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.
 
2014-07-03 01:22:49 PM

LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.


And then you wouldn't even have to send shooter teams to kill large numbers of Americans. You'd just need to ferment a panic and watch a bunch of liquored up, poorly trained cowboys try to "save the day."
 
2014-07-03 01:26:26 PM

This text is now purple: dittybopper: You know what a pro-gun rights advocate I am, and I'm just not seeing how being armed can help against a random single sniper shot.

And I've *TRIED* to think about ways it might help. And I can't think of any possible way it could help outside of the sniper team making a serious operational mistake.

Like Whitman?
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Bad example. Whitman wasn't a stealthy "one shot and out" sniper. Not really relevant in that respect.

This text is now purple: teenytinycornteeth: stevarooni: teenytinycornteeth: The difference is that we know who Osama and Tom Clancy were because one was established as an actual terrorist and one was established as an actual fiction writer. But when a guy who is already known as a gun "enthusiast" shows up in a public forum and starts in on an outrageously detailed step by step plan to carry out a terrorist attack...when no one else was even discussing it...it is nothing short of creepy.

Being a gun "enthusiast" immediately warrants being thought of as creepy and subject to FBI monitoring?  :-P  Gimme a break.

No it doesn't.  Nor did I say it was.  You must have missed the part where he gave us a four paragraph treatise on how he would carry out a terrorist attack, right down to the kind of gun and caliber of bullet.  Look, there are plenty of cool, collected gun lovers on this board, some of them even in this thread who don't, as someone up thread said "think about killing people all day".  Like I said, you can't win 'em all, but I know I'm not the only one a bit taken aback by his statement.  No skin off my nose.

So... you presume he's the only one who has performed this thought exercise? About how he would go about attacking his own defenses?

You'd prefer only the terrorists do this? I mean, the upside there is that every new attack gets to be its own special surprise! It's like your birthday, but with blood and destruction! (So, like your birth day...)

I mean, good luck.
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I'm pretty sure the point is how much ditty appears to relish such exercises ("fun" he himself noted) that triggers the "that's a little creepy, hoss" reaction in some people. And it's not like his comments in this one thread are seen in any sort of a vacuum here either. The people you're wanting us to compare him to do it for a living, not as some pleasurable fantasy activity pursued in generic public forums online.
 
2014-07-03 01:29:29 PM

akula: Of course, that's why Malvo and his buddy used a vehicle as a mobile hide. That would more than likely be the best way to go about it- a panel van, a pickup truck with a decent sized bed, anything like that would work. If you could use an improvised suppressor it would cut down on risk of detection even more. But the moment anybody spots the thing the cat is out of the bag.


You use a nondescript vehicle, one perhaps with a "convenient" rust hole to shoot through, or a gimmicked license plate or bumper sticker that can be opened and shut quickly and unobtrusively.

For operational reasons, it's got to be a sedan with a decent sized trunk, though.  The bed of a pickup truck and the back of a van are accessible to the driver and passengers, and open to view by the police.  The locked trunk of a sedan is not.  That's important because of roadblocks, which the police will set up in an attempt to capture you.

Needless to say, anything incriminating needs to remain in the trunk.  Including the shooter, if you can't stop somewhere completely isolated and let him out, though most sedans have a way to let you fold down the back seat so you can access it.

Also, given the ubiquity of security cameras, you want to avoid anywhere that you might be in close view of one.  It's probably unrealistic to think that you can avoid them completely.

One thing you can do that might help is to change the look of the vehicle you use.  Obviously, you aren't going to be giving it a paint job every couple of days, but you can do some things to make it look different.  For one job, put a CB antenna on the car.  For the next, remove that and put some dark tint on the windows.  Remove that prior to the next job, and put a bunch of bumper stickers on the car.   Remove those, and fill the back window with stuffed animals, etc.  Occasionally, if you are a man, dress like a woman, with noticeable breasts.

If you pick a common enough vehicle, it might escape notice if it looks somewhat different each time (assuming they can't read the plate through CSI-like "enhancement").
 
2014-07-03 01:30:38 PM

Riche: Rhino_man: the list of ways to fark with the public just goes on and on and on.


How hard would it be to smuggle explosives into Disneyland?  I could imagine the effect of blowing up the "It's A Small World" ride.


Back when the spawn of LoneDoggie were youngsters who just looooved the Small World ride, the Mrs. and I discussed the merits of taking a flamethrower to that place on our 4th or 5th time through.  Imagining those little animatronic kids happily singing while melting was quite soothing.
 
2014-07-03 01:32:14 PM

Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.


I see you've never been to Georgia.
 
2014-07-03 01:33:30 PM

This text is now purple: dittybopper: You know what a pro-gun rights advocate I am, and I'm just not seeing how being armed can help against a random single sniper shot.

And I've *TRIED* to think about ways it might help. And I can't think of any possible way it could help outside of the sniper team making a serious operational mistake.

Like Whitman?
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Whitman wasn't really a sniper attack in the sense of a single shot followed by a tactical retreat, like the DC Sniper attacks.  That was more akin to a typical mass shooting, though at longer ranges than most.
 
2014-07-03 01:34:34 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.

I see you've never been to Georgia.


It's federal law.
 
2014-07-03 01:37:32 PM

Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.


About a YEAR these days.
/just got one after 18 month wait (paperwork 'helpers' forgot to mail the form for half a year)
//fweeeep
 
2014-07-03 01:40:36 PM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.


I think I read it here about the suggestion of stealing a car, getting a couple boxes of road-flares and a road trip through the northwest/southwest/west forests during the dry season.  That scares me more than some yokel with a gun.
 
2014-07-03 01:42:03 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.

I see you've never been to Georgia.


Guess the ATF needs to go to some gun shows down there.

If your implication is that people are selling illegal "off the books" suppressors at gun shows in Georgia, the point that they're doing it at gun shows is moot.  People could do that out of their garage, or even better at a flea market or swap meat someplace.  Selling illegal $heit at a gun show is just asking for the "man" to stick it to ya.
 
2014-07-03 01:43:21 PM

dittybopper: Benevolent Misanthrope: Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.

I see you've never been to Georgia.

It's federal law.


And...?

Seriously - do you guys honestly think no illegal sales go on at private gunsmiths and gun shows?
 
2014-07-03 01:44:27 PM

Cdr.Murdock: Benevolent Misanthrope: Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.

I see you've never been to Georgia.

Guess the ATF needs to go to some gun shows down there.

If your implication is that people are selling illegal "off the books" suppressors at gun shows in Georgia, the point that they're doing it at gun shows is moot.  People could do that out of their garage, or even better at a flea market or swap meat someplace.  Selling illegal $heit at a gun show is just asking for the "man" to stick it to ya.


And yet, people do it.  Especially at those huge arena-sized shows in the South.  It's damn near impossible to police everything there.
 
2014-07-03 01:49:08 PM
DrBenway: I'm pretty sure the point is how much ditty appears to relish such exercises ("fun" he himself noted) that triggers the "that's a little creepy, hoss" reaction in some people. And it's not like his comments in this one thread are seen in any sort of a vacuum here either. The people you're wanting us to compare him to do it for a living, not as some pleasurable fantasy activity pursued in generic public forums online.

I was offered a position doing pretty much this sort of thing, or, perhaps more accurately, I was informed that there was a Beltway Bandit who was looking for someone like me, and the person offered to put me in touch.

Difficulty:  I would have had to move.  And I hate moving.  I like living in my little podunk town.  I've got roots there.  I coach Little League, I'm a Cub Scout leader, I have family reasonably nearby, so does the distaffbopper.  I've got a decent job that I like, and that will provide the littlebopper free college tuition.

Plus, I'd probably be under some NDA, so I couldn't talk about it publicly.  And that kind of rubs me the wrong way too.  One way that we learn more is by discussing things.  When you limit the amount of discussion, or limit the discussion to just a few people, you don't learn anywhere near as much.

Also, make no mistake about it:  The people getting paid to do it also enjoy it, or they wouldn't be doing it.  Just because they are paid to do it doesn't make them any less "creepy".

Bottom line, though, I don't see anything wrong with essentially wargaming in a very public manner what the other side might do.
 
2014-07-03 01:50:10 PM

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I was thinking more along the lines of
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2014-07-03 01:57:05 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Benevolent Misanthrope: Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.

I see you've never been to Georgia.

It's federal law.

And...?

Seriously - do you guys honestly think no illegal sales go on at private gunsmiths and gun shows?


At gun shows?  Very little to none.  Ever been to one?  I've been to a bunch.  There is always a uniformed police presence in my experience, and you never know who is or isn't an undercover agent.

If someone offered for sale an actual suppressor without going through the NFA, or wanted to buy a suppressor without going through the NFA, well, that's Admiral Akbar territory there.  Only the congenitally stupid wouldn't think it was an ATF or other police agency conducting a sting operation.

Now, if you're talking about private individuals selling their own individual guns at gun shows without any background checks, that's not illegal (depending on state law).
 
2014-07-03 02:01:25 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Benevolent Misanthrope: Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.

I see you've never been to Georgia.

It's federal law.

And...?

Seriously - do you guys honestly think no illegal sales go on at private gunsmiths and gun shows?


Can provide evidence to the contrary?
 
2014-07-03 02:02:52 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And yet, people do it.  Especially at those huge arena-sized shows in the South.  It's damn near impossible to police everything there.


For a guy who lives "WAY, WAY up North, you sure seem to go to a lot of gun shows in the South."  Do you sell illegal arms at these shows?
 
2014-07-03 02:04:13 PM
An entire slew of victims too late, sniper-boy. Simmer in your own juices until you can undo the damage you've done, terrorist.
 
2014-07-03 02:05:12 PM

FLMountainMan: Benevolent Misanthrope: dittybopper: Benevolent Misanthrope: Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.

I see you've never been to Georgia.

It's federal law.

And...?

Seriously - do you guys honestly think no illegal sales go on at private gunsmiths and gun shows?

Can provide evidence to the contrary?


Ummm... human nature?

I don't say that it's the norm and all dealers or private individuals at shows are breaking the law.  Of course not.  But when I was a gun owner, before I moved to Canada, I was informed by members of the Revolutionary War Veterans, a couple militia types and some really odd guys at the range that if I ever wanted a suppressor or silencer, they weren't hard to come by.  You can get them at the gun show, if you know the right guy.  Certainly from a home sale.

Maybe things have changed.  But it was always kind of common knowledge that if you wanted something not strictly legal, you could find it at a gun show.
 
2014-07-03 02:07:38 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And yet, people do it.  Especially at those huge arena-sized shows in the South.  It's damn near impossible to police everything there.


Somehow I doubt that it's a common occurrence.  I'm sure it has happened, but the ATF isn't shy about conducting sting operations at gun shows, and walking around asking for, or offering, a suppressor in contravention of the National Firearms Act is going to make pretty much everyone there think you are an ATF agent yourself, and they'll not deal with you.
 
2014-07-03 02:09:13 PM

Publikwerks: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

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Because for all of history Black people have proved themselves as a group as no account, they let people grind them as a group into the dust and feed on their own Shiat. why should the rest of us care when they don't? crabs in a bucket one tries to climb out the rest pull it back down.
 
2014-07-03 02:12:53 PM

Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: That, and a suppressor (available at your local gun show), and it would be hell to try to catch you.

Not without a tax stamp, 6 months worth of paperwork, and the BATFE's approval it's not.


When I got my Octane .45, it was 10-11 months. The email I received from the ATF yesterday indicated regular paper Form 4 submissions are being processed in 9 months right now.

Benevolent Misanthrope: And yet, people do it.  Especially at those huge arena-sized shows in the South.  It's damn near impossible to police everything there.


People aren't selling real suppressors at gun shows without paperwork. Not a chance in hell. Not only would they be found out quickly (the ATF goes to gun shows too), but legally manufactured ones are tracked individually. For it to go from dealer to dealer requires paperwork, and THAT form is running about 2 month backlog right now. People who know NFA law can be found at any gun show and they aren't going to turn a blind eye to someone selling illegally made ones without following the law. So yeah, I'll call BS on this... and I'm doing it as someone with NFA registered items.

Sure, they're not that hard to make or fashion, but you just aren't going to walk into a gun show to buy one. Yes, it wouldn't be hard for a shooter to make one, but it likely wouldn't last more than a shot or two if you're using a real rifle cartridge... those generate pressures that blow stuff apart. And that's to say nothing of the heat generated by one... I was melting stuff with my 5.56 can after a couple magazines through it (and I wasn't doing mag dumps- they get HOT). They don't muffle things to Hollywood-quiet either... not even close for a high pressure supersonic rifle round. With something like a subsonic .300BLK, sure, it would be much quieter, but then your range is way down from something moving faster (as the aforementioned .243).
 
2014-07-03 02:16:06 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: But when I was a gun owner, before I moved to Canada, I was informed by members of the Revolutionary War Veterans, a couple militia types and some really odd guys at the range that if I ever wanted a suppressor or silencer, they weren't hard to come by.  You can get them at the gun show, if you know the right guy.  Certainly from a home sale.


Really? You're going with the "I know a dude who said X?"

That's bullshiat, and the people who told you were BSing you. There's no shortage of that crap. Gun shows aren't a DMZ where everything goes. It's not Vietnam. There are rules. There are people who make their living by following the rules. You're sure as hell not going to see the guy at the table who is a class 3 SOT FFL (a legal dealer in NFA items) turn a blind eye from the dude over on the other side of the jerky seller who is selling suppressors made on a home lathe and isn't doing any paperwork whatsoever.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

No doubt that there's some jackasses out there making and selling things on the sly, but I've never met one (I'd drop the dime on them myself if I ever did) and doing it at a gun show would be utter insanity- they'd be busted before lunch on the first day.
 
2014-07-03 02:17:06 PM

teenytinycornteeth: You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns". That would be "fun". But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians. I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.


LOL.

"In a little over two hours, somebody's going to pour water on the rug in the front hallway! We've got to figure out who. THERE'S NO TIME!!!"

Face it, nobody would pay to see a movie about a guy conspiring to tote water in a paper roll.
 
2014-07-03 02:20:03 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ummm... human nature?


So, you are going with just guessing and third hand anecdotes?  Hardly substantial data.

To answer your question, no, I haven't been to a gun show in Georgia.  Nor do I own a suppressor.  However, as a FFL I am required to have some first hand knowledge of the penalties involved in the unauthorized dealing in NFA items, and by using your own yardstick (human nature) I would have to say that there is going to be little - to - no illegal NFA sales at any gun show.  Too many eyeballs and too high of a penalty.

Why would you do that anyway?  There is no upside to it.  Someone who really didn't give a sh** about breaking the law can build a suppressor with minimal experience using the standard power tools found in almost any homeowners garage and about $60.00 worth of materials.  Again, the reason people don't goes back to human nature.  Too much risk (10 years PMITA ) vs. a *slight* reduction in the weapons volume and the chance to show off a "silencer".
 
2014-07-03 02:21:29 PM

dittybopper: DrBenway: I'm pretty sure the point is how much ditty appears to relish such exercises ("fun" he himself noted) that triggers the "that's a little creepy, hoss" reaction in some people. And it's not like his comments in this one thread are seen in any sort of a vacuum here either. The people you're wanting us to compare him to do it for a living, not as some pleasurable fantasy activity pursued in generic public forums online.

I was offered a position doing pretty much this sort of thing, or, perhaps more accurately, I was informed that there was a Beltway Bandit who was looking for someone like me, and the person offered to put me in touch.

Difficulty:  I would have had to move.  And I hate moving.  I like living in my little podunk town.  I've got roots there.  I coach Little League, I'm a Cub Scout leader, I have family reasonably nearby, so does the distaffbopper.  I've got a decent job that I like, and that will provide the littlebopper free college tuition.

Plus, I'd probably be under some NDA, so I couldn't talk about it publicly.  And that kind of rubs me the wrong way too.  One way that we learn more is by discussing things.  When you limit the amount of discussion, or limit the discussion to just a few people, you don't learn anywhere near as much.

Also, make no mistake about it:  The people getting paid to do it also enjoy it, or they wouldn't be doing it.  Just because they are paid to do it doesn't make them any less "creepy".

Bottom line, though, I don't see anything wrong with essentially wargaming in a very public manner what the other side might do.


So... professionals brainstorming with other professionals brings poorer results than some guy wanking it for fun with, at best, a handful of amateurs in the middle of non-specific online forums? Okay, you go with that rationale.

As far as not seeing anything wrong about it? There's a saying I see from time to time here: "This is not your personal pornography... er, WARGAMING site."
 
2014-07-03 02:28:58 PM
OK, I admit I was working on off-hand information - but then, these things aren't advertised in standard outlets.

I will change my statement to "a suppressor (not hard to get hold of, especially for someone who isn't too worried about legalities)".
 
2014-07-03 02:31:50 PM

Skyd1v: I would have to say that there is going to be little - to - no illegal NFA sales at any gun show


Of the shows I've been to, I don't even think there's many legal NFA sales at a gun show. Reason being, it's NOT cash and carry. The Class 3 SOT FFLs I've seen usually just have stuff on display and will discuss the process with you and invite you to come by to get things rolling.

The process (for the benefit of others):
1) Find item you want and is available for sale. Pay dealer for item, dealer fills out an ATF Form 4.
1a) If item you want has to be ordered, you'll have to wait for it to come in before you can start filling out that Form 4... the serial number of the item needs to be on that form.
2) Get fingerprints on FBI cards (2 sets) and two passport photos made. Affix photos to forms.
2a) If not using a trust, have your local chief law enforcement officer sign off on the forms.
3) Send forms to ATF with fingerprint cards and funds for the tax required on the item.
4) Wait.
5) Wait.
6) Wait some more. Again, Form 4 approval times right now are at 9 months. If you were to start this process right now you're looking at April (at least) before the forms are done. Yes, you'll likely file taxes before your Form 4 comes back.
7) When your Form 4 comes in to your dealer, you will go to the dealer, fill out a 4473, and take the item home with you.

That's not happening at a gun show.
 
2014-07-03 02:34:03 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, I admit I was working on off-hand information - but then, these things aren't advertised in standard outlets.

I will change my statement to "a suppressor (not hard to get hold of, especially for someone who isn't too worried about legalities)".


Yeah, there's a lot of BS out there, even in the firearm community. You are correct that if legality means dark-all then you can get one, but more likely you'll be making your own. The info for that isn't hard to find, but for my own reasons I won't point anybody towards it.

Getting busted with an NFA item that you shouldn't have usually means an immediate 10 years in Club Fed. Personally, I want nothing to do with such things and I advise others to steer clear of crap that's been bubba'd up in violation of the 1934 National Firearms Act. That's bad news... and can even be outright dangerous if somebody did it improperly.
 
hej
2014-07-03 02:35:33 PM
I guess we've become a country where it's OK to persecute children.
 
2014-07-03 02:44:21 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, I admit I was working on off-hand information - but then, these things aren't advertised in standard outlets.

I will change my statement to "a suppressor (not hard to get hold of, especially for someone who isn't too worried about legalities)".


The fact that you would admit you were working off of bad/incorrect information and post a retraction means you have a higher level of integrity than I have come to expect in some of these threads.

I'm going to have to go ahead and favorite you with a "Rational" tag.  What color do you want?

/except green.  I saves that for the trolls
 
2014-07-03 02:53:10 PM
Gee, I am soooo sorry. But, you know, you shot people to death, so no.
 
2014-07-03 03:00:31 PM
I do feel bad for the kid because of what John Muhammed did to him. He took him in as a son and brainwashed him to kill those people.

That being said, he can stay in prison for life.
 
2014-07-03 03:01:46 PM

cryinoutloud: is this the kid or the old guy? I might have a small amount of sympathy for the kid. Not enough to let him out of prison yet, mind you, but maybe someday.

I don't actually care enough to check, though.


I believe the old guy was death penaltied amazingly quickly, because he wanted it. So it's just the young one left in prison.
 
2014-07-03 03:22:06 PM
akula:

Of the shows I've been to, I don't even think there's many legal NFA sales at a gun show. Reason being, it's NOT cash and carry. The Class 3 SOT FFLs I've seen usually just have stuff on display and will discuss the process with you and invite you to come by to get things rolling.


4) Wait.
5) Wait.


That's not happening at a gun show.


This is why I never bothered with the SOT stamp.  Between that sheit clogging up your safe, and the customers getting all antsy in the panntsy about getting their new semi verboten today, it's just not worth the hassle.
 
2014-07-03 03:23:23 PM

DrBenway: So... professionals brainstorming with other professionals brings poorer results than some guy wanking it for fun with, at best, a handful of amateurs in the middle of non-specific online forums? Okay, you go with that rationale.


Quite often, yes, in fact it does.

Not always, of course, but consider this:  I've posted this idea in several different Fark threads over at least the last 5 years (earliest I know of from a quick google is 2009).  I'm guessing that hundreds of people have seen it.  People from very different walks of life, different experiences, and different talents.

Contrast that to the exposure it would get from half a dozen or perhaps a dozen "professionals" who could very well likely suffer from group-think, because they are a more cohesive unit.  If your co-worker Bob comes up with a stupid idea, are you likely to critique it mercilessly?

That happens here on Fark.

And that's a feature, not a bug, and one that cuts both ways:  Because if someone tells you your idea is stupid, and can show you a good reason why, that enables you to either drop the idea, or improve it by taking into account something you haven't actually thought of, but someone else has.

Plus, the semi-anonymous nature of a forum like this allows you to engage in speech you probably wouldn't otherwise:  When I come up with ideas like the sniper thing, or the cheap-ass cruise missile, etc., it's not like I walk around telling all my friends about it.  Some are like you:  They'd find it kind of "creepy".  And some quite honestly don't have the intellectual horsepower to understand the implications, both technical and policy-wise.  There are just one or two people I discuss stuff like this in person, unless there is a reason, and they do the same thing also.

But here, I can outline my concepts (and that's what they will always be, just concepts) and see what stands up to scrutiny.

And maybe, just maybe, someone from one of those groups might read one of these threads and say "You know, we didn't really think about that", because they were focused on preventing what had been done before, not what could be done in the future.
 
2014-07-03 03:24:46 PM

Cdr.Murdock: akula:

Of the shows I've been to, I don't even think there's many legal NFA sales at a gun show. Reason being, it's NOT cash and carry. The Class 3 SOT FFLs I've seen usually just have stuff on display and will discuss the process with you and invite you to come by to get things rolling.


4) Wait.
5) Wait.


That's not happening at a gun show.

This is why I never bothered with the SOT stamp.  Between that sheit clogging up your safe, and the customers getting all antsy in the panntsy about getting their new semi verboten today, it's just not worth the hassle.


I understand the e-file stuff is moving faster. Not sure how an e-file works though; none of mine have been.

It seems to me that those who get into the NFA stuff are in it not so much for the money but because they're enthusiasts. I don't mean they get it for their own fun toys, but that they enjoy them and it's more about the enjoyment of inducting people into that part of shooting than it is about making lots of cash. Sure, there's less competition (most cans I've seen have gone for close to MSRP, so there isn't much of a price competition going on) so there is profit in it, but I just doubt that for most SOTs it's about the money they can make.
 
2014-07-03 03:24:57 PM

hej: I guess we've become a country where it's OK to persecute children.


Oh, come on, you can do better than that.  It's like you weren't even trying.
 
2014-07-03 03:30:32 PM
I'd like to get a few more suppressors, but I don't want to lay out the money and then wait forever for them to come in.

Of course, the way things have been lately I could probably go through the process and have the suppressor before my back-order on .22LR gets filled.
 
2014-07-03 03:39:09 PM

hej: I guess we've become a country where it's OK to persecute children.


When they go around killing adults, it becomes us verses them.  I don't have sympathy for teens anymore.

/the dark side of old is creeping up.
 
2014-07-03 03:43:08 PM

dittybopper: This text is now purple: dittybopper: You know what a pro-gun rights advocate I am, and I'm just not seeing how being armed can help against a random single sniper shot.

And I've *TRIED* to think about ways it might help. And I can't think of any possible way it could help outside of the sniper team making a serious operational mistake.

Like Whitman?
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Whitman wasn't really a sniper attack in the sense of a single shot followed by a tactical retreat, like the DC Sniper attacks.  That was more akin to a typical mass shooting, though at longer ranges than most.


Oswald?

He might have gotten away with it for a time if:
a) he hadn't been a loon
b) he hadn't immediately followed it up by shooting a cop (see a)
c) he hadn't camped out in a theater in the vicinity (see a)
 
2014-07-03 03:46:59 PM
i.ytimg.com

Did he mention that he was VERY sorry that he did it?
 
2014-07-03 03:47:07 PM

ZAZ: Let his head out today.

Let his body out next week.


You wouldn't happen to have a newsletter that I could subscribe to, by any chance?

Another fitting punishment for him: execution by firing squad.
 
2014-07-03 03:59:08 PM

Skyd1v: Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, I admit I was working on off-hand information - but then, these things aren't advertised in standard outlets.

I will change my statement to "a suppressor (not hard to get hold of, especially for someone who isn't too worried about legalities)".

The fact that you would admit you were working off of bad/incorrect information and post a retraction means you have a higher level of integrity than I have come to expect in some of these threads.

I'm going to have to go ahead and favorite you with a "Rational" tag.  What color do you want?

/except green.  I saves that for the trolls


Whatever you like, I'm not picky. :)
 
2014-07-03 04:25:56 PM

mongbiohazard: FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.

You're forgetting the guy shot the evening before - the first person shot in Montgomery County - was a 55 year old, well-off white guy. And they shot a few well-off white folks in VA after they left MoCo. So it really was a mix of people. Well-to-do white folks among them.

That said, I don't have any doubt that if all the victims had been working class folks - like the poor taxi and bus drivers that got shot - that the reaction would have been the same. The problem that scared folks was just the mysterious nature of the shootings - totally random times, totally random targets, totally random places, totally anonymous shooter, no known motivation...


Oooooooo.........................well-off

Oo
 
2014-07-03 06:09:31 PM
I suggest we tattoo "Fark Allah" on one side of his face, and "Death to Muslims" on the other side of his face, then turn him lose in Iran to fend for himself.

/Yes, I would love to see the results on Pay Per View.
 
2014-07-03 07:19:11 PM
Malvo killed ten people.

I know that in this day and age of forgiveness and feelings and society-is-to-blame political correctness that some people get one murder as a freebie, but that just means he's got nine more murders to work off the hard way.

Or the easy way: execution
 
2014-07-03 07:33:04 PM

dittybopper: LavenderWolf: dittybopper: LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.

Wouldn't help:  We're talking a single shot from, well, could be *ANYWHERE*.  Arming everyone isn't going to help in that situation, because even if everyone is open carrying an AR-15 like those OCTards*, what are they going to shoot at?  Each other?

The whole idea of a sniper attack like that isn't like shooting up a mall or school, where you go down in a blaze of glory and take as many as you can with you.  It's a single shot from some hidden place that could in theory be hundreds of yards away (or maybe only 50), and because the sniper is hidden and there is only a single shot, you have no idea where the shot came from.

Who would you shoot back at?

*That's going to be my new name for them.

It's not really a "this will stop the attacks" solution so much as "this makes these types of attack much more risky" solution. Like how vaccines work. A vaccine doesn't kill a raging viral infection, but, it can prevent infections from really taking root.

You know what a pro-gun rights advocate I am, and I'm just not seeing how being armed can help against a random single sniper shot.

And I've *TRIED* to think about ways it might help.  And I can't think of any possible way it could help outside of the sniper team making a serious operational mistake.


It's not for the target to defend against the sniper. The target is assumed dead.
 
hej
2014-07-03 08:43:29 PM

dittybopper: hej: I guess we've become a country where it's OK to persecute children.

Oh, come on, you can do better than that.  It's like you weren't even trying.


It's not worth too much effort when you show up that late to a thread.
 
2014-07-03 08:46:58 PM
I do think that he was manipulated in a way that someone in his position would not have had the capacity to refuse.    He had no real parents... The killer guy was a surrogate father and probaly didnt have to try very hard to convince the youngster that white people are evil.   Its an easy sell to an impressionable mind.

so, i feel for him, but hey.... he still killed folks... Its unfortunate that he got caught up in the other guy's plans, but he did, and now his future path is irreparably harmed.
 
2014-07-04 12:05:48 AM
cdn.pjmedia.com
 
2014-07-04 02:52:29 AM
Couldn't they wait until he's super old and sick and release him right before he dies? Then that's not actually "life in prison" then yes?
 
2014-07-04 07:27:34 AM
I won money in the pool because he was a muzzy
nice to hear about him every so often, just like to know he's rotting behind bars
 
2014-07-04 08:24:19 AM

vernonFL: IF he was just a kid who was brainwashed, then I would consider it.

Has he been checked out by mental heath experts?


How the hell do  you get "brainwashed" to the point you forget "murder is bad" and if such a stupid creature actually existed, why the fugg would you want it loose in the public again, idiot?
 
2014-07-04 10:53:21 AM

natas6.0: I won money in the pool because he was a muzzy
nice to hear about him every so often, just like to know he's rotting behind bars


www.foodplots.com

What a Muzzy might look like.
 
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