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(WTOP)   Lee Boyd Malvo, the DC sniper, believes that he's learned some important lessons about not using human beings as target practice and would like to be let out of prison now, please   (wtop.com) divider line 233
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2014-07-03 11:32:46 AM

MythDragon: airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.

I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.


Actually, it has to be within a reasonable distance of a major news market, so it would attract the attention of the national news media, and they wouldn't have to go too far to report on it so they can use all of their reporting equipment they got layin' around the station.

So the Boston/NYC/Philly/DC areas, and parts of California (LA/SD/SF), and perhaps Chicago, and maybe a handful of other major cities.
 
2014-07-03 11:32:59 AM

Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.


Actually, he doesn't. The guns are out there and easy to get - change the laws on that in the US and you just make it a little more difficult. Guns are a little more controlled here in Canada, but I could have one off the street within a couple hours. In such a scenario, Republicans are actually right for once; more people with guns would be the answer, not fewer.
 
2014-07-03 11:33:00 AM

FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.


You're forgetting the guy shot the evening before - the first person shot in Montgomery County - was a 55 year old, well-off white guy. And they shot a few well-off white folks in VA after they left MoCo. So it really was a mix of people. Well-to-do white folks among them.

That said, I don't have any doubt that if all the victims had been working class folks - like the poor taxi and bus drivers that got shot - that the reaction would have been the same. The problem that scared folks was just the mysterious nature of the shootings - totally random times, totally random targets, totally random places, totally anonymous shooter, no known motivation...
 
2014-07-03 11:35:34 AM
Thermite 1600 Pennsylvania mad dog depleted uranium fertilizer guano diesel  fragmentation.
4th of July
fireworks
 
2014-07-03 11:38:28 AM

LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.


Wouldn't help:  We're talking a single shot from, well, could be *ANYWHERE*.  Arming everyone isn't going to help in that situation, because even if everyone is open carrying an AR-15 like those OCTards*, what are they going to shoot at?  Each other?

The whole idea of a sniper attack like that isn't like shooting up a mall or school, where you go down in a blaze of glory and take as many as you can with you.  It's a single shot from some hidden place that could in theory be hundreds of yards away (or maybe only 50), and because the sniper is hidden and there is only a single shot, you have no idea where the shot came from.

Who would you shoot back at?

*That's going to be my new name for them.
 
2014-07-03 11:38:38 AM

LavenderWolf: Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.

Actually, he doesn't. The guns are out there and easy to get - change the laws on that in the US and you just make it a little more difficult. Guns are a little more controlled here in Canada, but I could have one off the street within a couple hours. In such a scenario, Republicans are actually right for once; more people with guns would be the answer, not fewer.


I guess I should have put the old :-P or such...
 
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2014-07-03 11:38:53 AM
A serious response now: he's not asking to be released immediately, he's asking that he be declared eligible for parole hearings at some future date.

Massachusetts courts responded to the U.S. Supreme Court's juvenile life without parole decision by making juvenile killers eligible for parole after 15 years, as if they had committed second degree instead of first degree murder. Lawmakers want to raise the minimum sentence so it is effectively a life sentence without literally being a life sentence.
 
2014-07-03 11:38:58 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: MythDragon: dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.

I don't think they would actually wear numbers


Then that is were they would have screwed up. I'd have t-shirts made.
 'Terrorist Sniper Team 2.   We're scoping out a jihad!'
'Terrorist Sniper Team 3. 3rd time's the (c)harm"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 4. Blowin' your mind.'
''Terrorist Sniper Team 5. We put the Muslim in mausoleum"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 6. As in 6 feet under"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 8. Hey, what happened to 7?'

And they'd each get their own color.
 
2014-07-03 11:39:12 AM

MythDragon: airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.

I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.


Al quaeda and the like only seem to be concerned with NYC and DC to date. Everywhere else, they're either afraid to go or just use to hide out. Even then, none of he 9/11 hijackers hid out in small towns.
American culture is probably as alien to hem as theirs is to most Americans. And people in small towns like to ask new folks questions.
 
2014-07-03 11:39:36 AM

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BOING BOING
 
2014-07-03 11:40:34 AM
Remember that time on fark that a thread about a mass shooter turned into farkers posting how they'd start a terror attack on the USA? It was right before the 4th of July.
 
2014-07-03 11:40:37 AM

kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.


Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.
 
2014-07-03 11:41:41 AM

vudukungfu: Thermite 1600 Pennsylvania mad dog depleted uranium fertilizer guano diesel  fragmentation.
4th of July
fireworks


I know someone who is getting a visit from the SS! ♫
 
2014-07-03 11:41:42 AM

TheGreatGazoo: And in particular, I would have my teams target elementary schools and large shopping centers.  Maybe school buses.  You're trying for the most terror possible, right?  Massive disruption?  You'd get it targeting little kids and malls.  See how fast parents keep their kids out of school, and how quickly you chew up police budgets if they have to send a squad car after every bus in the country, SWAT teams surrounding every school, mall, and shopping center.  Better than your light skinned Arab, try to use racial groups against each other.  White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods, dark skinned ones in white suburbs.  If you're lucky, when the authorities catch up with your teams, you'll fan racial hatred and discord, and you might be able to spark some riots.  Commerce will be restricted, schools shut down, race riots started.  Massive disruptions for the cost of 12-15 men.

The mall?  Really?  Try some small town Wal Marts and dingy little IGAs out in the middle of nowhere and then some Starbucks in heavier populated areas.  There's not much that can be done with it.  Heck you could get the firearms from the Wal Mart...


OMFG start targeting the Wal Marts and this country is f*cked!
 
2014-07-03 11:42:01 AM

El Dudereno: American culture is probably as alien to hem as theirs is to most Americans. And people in small towns like to ask new folks questions.


To be fair, what little remains of America's small town culture is alien to most normal Americans.
 
2014-07-03 11:42:12 AM
img.fark.net

The victims should be remembered.  He can be left there or fried.  Either way he should not be left out.
 
2014-07-03 11:42:31 AM

jso2897: It's easy to see why you are so insistent upon not taking away the gun "rights" of mentally ill people.


I've never said that people who have been adjudicated to be mentally ill shouldn't have their right to possess a firearm taken away.

I only object to proposals where there isn't any due process involved, because that sort of thing can be egregiously abused.

But you knew that already.
 
2014-07-03 11:42:54 AM

Generation_D: .243 Winchester.


on the flip, using an oddball caliber like that would raise some flags, and probably be a bit easier to track than your average 5.56 or .308
 
2014-07-03 11:43:15 AM

namegoeshere: kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.

Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.


Strongly dispute that.

Easily led asshats are easily led asshats. If all it takes to motivate you to kill people is to be their father figure, you don't deserve to live in society. Goes for the Manson girls as well. That's why we never let them out either.

At age 17 you are plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and if you crave parental approval so hard you will kill innocent people for it, you don't belong anywhere in a free society, except possibly in the military. And even then there's rules.
 
2014-07-03 11:43:49 AM

MythDragon: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: MythDragon: dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.

I don't think they would actually wear numbers

Then that is were they would have screwed up. I'd have t-shirts made.
 'Terrorist Sniper Team 2.   We're scoping out a jihad!'
'Terrorist Sniper Team 3. 3rd time's the (c)harm"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 4. Blowin' your mind.'
''Terrorist Sniper Team 5. We put the Muslim in mausoleum"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 6. As in 6 feet under"
'Terrorist Sniper Team 8. Hey, what happened to 7?'

And they'd each get their own color.


Dude, they'd get caught right away gotta be more subtle

Definitely Not a Terrorist Cell
Definitely Not another Terrorist Cell
Definitely Not a Terrorist Cell like those first two
Terrorist Cell?  We don't even know those other guys
Totally just a group of Tourists that are shocked and appalled by the first four groups!
 
2014-07-03 11:44:40 AM
I would tell him "maybe" just to give him false hope.
 
2014-07-03 11:45:02 AM

akula: MythDragon: I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.

Yup. Al-Qaeda's failing is that they wanted to strike at symbols. Well, the WTC and Pentagon may be huge office buildings, but most Americans not only don't work there, but have never seen them with their own eyes.

You want to freak people out? Strike at the mundane everyday places. Grocery stores. Fast food joints. Gas stations. Look at how much some were panicked after the shootings in the theater in Colorado and the grade school in Sandy Hook... places that are not generally seen as dangerous.

Hell, even the crappy movie Invasion USA goes along with this- they're hitting houses in the suburbs, school buses, and things like that. Yes, the movie was nothing more than a Chuck Norris shoot em up, but it's an example of people realizing what to do if one wants to panic the populace.

It's not hard to stampede the herd. You start by making them feel threatened in places they once thought of as safe. It's not possible to secure that many places with police/counterterror... it's also not possible to keep miscreants from getting their hands on the tools to threaten such places effectively.


Holy fark, just imagine the terror after a series of random home invasions turned multiple murders, with videos of the family being brutally murdered left playing on the TV.  If you attack public places, people only feel safe in their homes... if you attack homes too... jeebus.
 
2014-07-03 11:48:13 AM
You guys plotting your terror attacks on America realize that's exactly what Manson thought he was doing too, right? Murder some suburban white people in their homes, everyone thinks the Blacks did it, Helter Skelter.

So at the very least, you need a philosophy that can be summed up in a phrase taken from a pop song, so when they write the book and make the movie, they'll already have the tag line.
 
2014-07-03 11:48:43 AM

Marisyana: dittybopper: Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

Farther than NoVA.  I still remember when the guy got shot in Ashland--Richmond and the surrounding counties closed the schools down the next day.  Keep in mind that Ashland is TWENTY-FIVE MILES from Richmond.  Also I remember people going to gas stations and sitting in their cars while getting fill-ups.  That was a weird time.

/stupid kid was stupid


Let's just say that shopping has been a little more boring since those two were caught....


/Fredericksburg Fredneck
 
2014-07-03 11:49:52 AM

dittybopper: MythDragon: airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.

I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.

Actually, it has to be within a reasonable distance of a major news market, so it would attract the attention of the national news media, and they wouldn't have to go too far to report on it so they can use all of their reporting equipment they got layin' around the station.

So the Boston/NYC/Philly/DC areas, and parts of California (LA/SD/SF), and perhaps Chicago, and maybe a handful of other major cities.


Charlotte, Atlanta, any of the Florida cities, Houston, Dallas... and I think that pretty much completes the list.  Atlanta would be especially easy due to CNN's headquarters being there.
 
2014-07-03 11:50:38 AM

teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.


I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.
 
2014-07-03 11:51:32 AM

jaylectricity: Oh, come on...look how innocent he is!

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Came for this...leaving happy.
 
2014-07-03 11:51:38 AM

Generation_D: namegoeshere: kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.

Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.

Strongly dispute that.

Easily led asshats are easily led asshats. If all it takes to motivate you to kill people is to be their father figure, you don't deserve to live in society. Goes for the Manson girls as well. That's why we never let them out either.

At age 17 you are plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and if you crave parental approval so hard you will kill innocent people for it, you don't belong anywhere in a free society, except possibly in the military. And even then there's rules.


What are you disputing? Because I agree that he should serve his full life sentence.

Doesn't mean I don't feel for the kid, though.
 
2014-07-03 11:52:23 AM

Rhino_man: Holy fark, just imagine the terror after a series of random home invasions turned multiple murders, with videos of the family being brutally murdered left playing on the TV.  If you attack public places, people only feel safe in their homes... if you attack homes too... jeebus.


Yeah, mix that in with targeting school busses

www.d118.org


Wal-Marts on Black Friday:

img.fark.net


And the security line at airports:

security-today.com


You would have a seriously freaked out nation pretty quick.
 
2014-07-03 11:54:22 AM
No, Boyd Lee, your timeout isn't over yet.  Not by a long shot.
 
2014-07-03 11:54:32 AM

CSM101: Generation_D: .243 Winchester.

on the flip, using an oddball caliber like that would raise some flags, and probably be a bit easier to track than your average 5.56 or .308


.243 is hardly an oddball. It's a very popular medium game cartridge. Moreover, you're probably firing it from a bolt action, so you don't have cases left lying around to find. The bullets themselves, well, they may tell you something or they may not- if one would use expanding hunting rounds, there likely wouldn't be much ability for forensics to even begin matching them to one another. Moreover, even if they have a perfect condition bullet recovered from a victim then ALL they know is it's a 6mm bullet- maybe it came from a .243 Win, maybe a 6mm Rem, maybe a .243WSSM, etc. Not much help.

Sure, I wouldn't think some funky wildcat would be ideal, but anything that's in general use would be plenty sufficient. If you're just taking one shot here and one shot there a few boxes of ammo would be plenty- and those can be purchased one at a time from places all across the land (or even ordered in bulk long before you ever do anything).
 
2014-07-03 11:54:46 AM

namegoeshere: Generation_D: namegoeshere: kbronsito: How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.

Except he's got nothing better to do during those looooooooong years in prison than figure out how to beat a psych eval.

I feel for the kid. I do. He was groomed for this. It sucks. Had he never met his adult accomplice, he most likely would have been a normal guy. But he did meet him and he was groomed and he did do what he did. He needs to serve his life sentence.

He was 17 BTW.

Strongly dispute that.

Easily led asshats are easily led asshats. If all it takes to motivate you to kill people is to be their father figure, you don't deserve to live in society. Goes for the Manson girls as well. That's why we never let them out either.

At age 17 you are plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and if you crave parental approval so hard you will kill innocent people for it, you don't belong anywhere in a free society, except possibly in the military. And even then there's rules.

What are you disputing? Because I agree that he should serve his full life sentence.

Doesn't mean I don't feel for the kid, though.


I'm disputing that a 17 year old isn't capable of knowing right from wrong, and that he was somehow a victim in this. Or that had he and John Muhammad had never met, somehow he turns out OK. Strongly dispute that. If he was willing to kill to make a father figure happy, he would have found another outlet for it sooner or later, and been just as much a danger to himself or society as a result. With the possible exception of the military being able to use him, but even there I bet he gets himself either kicked out or else shoots up the base.
 
2014-07-03 11:56:28 AM

dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.

I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.


No, actually you are.  If you sit around thinking how 'fun' it would be to take out people with a sniper rifle, you're creepy.  Doesn't mean Stephen King isn't just means you are too.
 
2014-07-03 11:58:52 AM

CSM101: Generation_D: .243 Winchester.

on the flip, using an oddball caliber like that would raise some flags, and probably be a bit easier to track than your average 5.56 or .308


The .243 Winchester isn't an oddball caliber.  It's one of the top deer calibers, especially for youth and women.

My point was that if you want to avoid suspicion ahead of time, you don't want to walk into a store and purchase 10 boxes of .223 Remington or 7.62x39mm.  Rightly or wrongly, they imply a certain style of firearm.

Now, if you walk in and you buy 1 or 2 boxes .30-30 Winchester or 7mm Remington Magnum (or whatever non-military caliber) at any one particular place, and do it at several stores, no red flags will be raised.  You're just someone picking up some hunting or target ammo.
 
2014-07-03 11:59:26 AM

Riche: Rhino_man: Holy fark, just imagine the terror after a series of random home invasions turned multiple murders, with videos of the family being brutally murdered left playing on the TV.  If you attack public places, people only feel safe in their homes... if you attack homes too... jeebus.

Yeah, mix that in with targeting school busses

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Wal-Marts on Black Friday:

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And the security line at airports:

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You would have a seriously freaked out nation pretty quick.


m0.i.pbase.com
Have a shooter at the top or bottom of a long metro escalator empty two 30-round magazines and then run away... the list of ways to fark with the public just goes on and on and on.
 
2014-07-03 11:59:59 AM

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

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would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


The fact that this hasn't happened yet proves there are NO TERRORISTS

The operational cost for something like this would be 2 idiots and a few hundred bucks per team, mostly for groceries

I would add that in addition to your sequential teams you also add in random access teams, each team rolls a d6 every week, if 6 comes up then they go shoot someone
This would add to the "terror" while also making a pattern nearly impossible to establish, especially if you have teams operating all over the country

Make sure to take long range pictures for the internet propaganda videos to publicly take credit (sent from home base in bumfarkistan obviously, otherwise whats the point of the whole terrorism thing)
 
2014-07-03 12:00:39 PM

Generation_D: Remember that time on fark that a thread about a mass shooter turned into farkers posting how they'd start a terror attack on the USA?

It was right before I think it was the 4th of July.


// you're welcome for the earworm
 
2014-07-03 12:01:22 PM

LavenderWolf: If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.


Yeah, throw into full overdrive lots of paranoid, well-armed patriots suspicious of everyone, that will end well. That's when the real terrorism starts.
 
2014-07-03 12:06:03 PM

teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.

I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.

No, actually you are.  If you sit around thinking how 'fun' it would be to take out people with a sniper rifle, you're creepy.  Doesn't mean Stephen King isn't just means you are too.


I didn't say taking out people would be fun.

I said thinking about alternate means to accomplish a goal is fun:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

The goal in this case is terrorism, which is something I don't approve of, but that doesn't mean I can't think about it and put it forth as a matter of public discussion.

If I thought killing people was "fun" and I was planning to do something like that, I certainly wouldn't be talking about it on Fark.

In essence, you're equating Osama bin Laden with Tom Clancy, because Tom Clancy imagined using airliners as suicide weapons to attack government targets in the US.
 
2014-07-03 12:07:36 PM
I see he hasn't lost his sense of humour.
 
2014-07-03 12:08:39 PM

Generation_D: I'm disputing that a 17 year old isn't capable of knowing right from wrong, and that he was somehow a victim in this. Or that had he and John Muhammad had never met, somehow he turns out OK. Strongly dispute that. If he was willing to kill to make a father figure happy, he would have found another outlet for it sooner or later, and been just as much a danger to himself or society as a result. With the possible exception of the military being able to use him, but even there I bet he gets himself either kicked out or else shoots up the base.


Absolutely he's capable of knowing right from wrong, which is why I have no problem with his life sentence. He shouldn't get out. Ever. But I can't agree with the idea that he was destined to be a mass murderer. He comes off as a passive follower, not a psychopath. Had he had a father figure who pushed him into healthier, non-shooty pursuits, taught him to respect himself and others, he would not have been a sniper. Of course I can't say that he would never have committed a crime. No one can. But he wouldn't have done this.

But at the end of the day he did do this. He chose to do it. So yes, he needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
2014-07-03 12:11:43 PM

Generation_D: You guys plotting your terror attacks on America realize that's exactly what Manson thought he was doing too, right? Murder some suburban white people in their homes, everyone thinks the Blacks did it, Helter Skelter.

So at the very least, you need a philosophy that can be summed up in a phrase taken from a pop song, so when they write the book and make the movie, they'll already have the tag line.


Operation Wrecking Ball?
 
2014-07-03 12:19:34 PM
Let me move his attorneys up to the top of my list of people I'll shoot down in broad daylight if I ever find out I have AIDS/cancer/brain tumor.
 
2014-07-03 12:19:56 PM

RembrandtQEinstein: The fact that this hasn't happened yet proves there are NO TERRORISTS

The operational cost for something like this would be 2 idiots and a few hundred bucks per team, mostly for groceries

I would add that in addition to your sequential teams you also add in random access teams, each team rolls a d6 every week, if 6 comes up then they go shoot someone
This would add to the "terror" while also making a pattern nearly impossible to establish, especially if you have teams operating all over the country

Make sure to take long range pictures for the internet propaganda videos to publicly take credit (sent from home base in bumfarkistan obviously, otherwise whats the point of the whole terrorism thing)


That's actually a bad idea from an operational security point of view.

The NSA/FBI would pretty quickly figure out who the masterminds are that way:  They are the ones receiving the video and then broadcasting it to the wider world online, and from that, they can work backwards to see who the other teams are through the analysis of travel, monetary transactions, and communications.
 
2014-07-03 12:20:18 PM

dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


Ive thought of things of that nature too and figured out how on the cheap you could terrorize a region. Brad Meltzer was part of a group that the government brought together and they would come up with ways to preform terrorist acts, they would be given a task like blow up the Super Bowl and they would let their minds run wild.  I was in the Silver Spring area at the time and not far from a few of the attacks, it made DC traffic that much more fun.
 
2014-07-03 12:21:39 PM

dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper: teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.

I'm actually not creepy.  I just have an active imagination, and some rudimentary analytical and mathematical skills to go along with them.

Now, someone like Stephen King?  He's creepy.

No, actually you are.  If you sit around thinking how 'fun' it would be to take out people with a sniper rifle, you're creepy.  Doesn't mean Stephen King isn't just means you are too.

I didn't say taking out people would be fun.

I said thinking about alternate means to accomplish a goal is fun:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

The goal in this case is terrorism, which is something I don't approve of, but that doesn't mean I can't think about it and put it forth as a matter of public discussion.

If I thought killing people was "fun" and I was planning to do something like that, I certainly wouldn't be talking about it on Fark.

In essence, you're equating Osama bin Laden with Tom Clancy, because Tom Clancy imagined using airliners as suicide weapons to attack government targets in the US.


I can't roll my eyes hard enough.  The difference is that we know who Osama and Tom Clancy were because one was established as an actual terrorist and one was established as an actual fiction writer.  But when a guy who is already known as a gun "enthusiast" shows up in a public forum and starts in on an outrageously detailed step by step plan to carry out a terrorist attack...when no one else was even discussing it...it is nothing short of creepy.  I didn't say you WERE a terrorist.  I said you were CREEPY.  That you sit around and work out these scenarios for no real reason (for example to write a book or a movie) than to daydream about using your guns is creepy.

Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.
 
2014-07-03 12:23:43 PM
Aw, shut up and eat your loaf.
 
2014-07-03 12:28:46 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.


I think about killing many times a day.  I think most men do.  It's just part of how we are built and is so common we don't talk about it much.
 
2014-07-03 12:31:48 PM

MythDragon: 'Terrorist Sniper Team 8. Hey, what happened to 7?'


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2014-07-03 12:32:43 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Hey look, some people are down with your kind of 'fun talk', some of us are extremely offput.  You can't win 'em all.


This is true.  I'm sorry that you feel the way you do.

Oh, and for the record,  Malvo should never see the light of day.
 
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