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(WTOP)   Lee Boyd Malvo, the DC sniper, believes that he's learned some important lessons about not using human beings as target practice and would like to be let out of prison now, please   (wtop.com) divider line 233
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2014-07-03 10:59:55 AM  

ChipNASA: SmackLT: Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

[c1.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.

Don't forget to ZIG ZAG.


thisdistractedglobe.com
 
2014-07-03 10:59:55 AM  

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


Go one step farther. Each team is trained in a different method. One uses firearms, next explosives, next poison, etc.  Harder to detect a pattern.
 
2014-07-03 11:00:01 AM  
Yeah, he's probably got a point; doesn't have to go to the SCotUS, that's just precedence that a lower court will follow.  And he'll probably still spend more time in prison than has Charles Manson.
 
2014-07-03 11:00:34 AM  

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


You sound concerned
 
2014-07-03 11:01:38 AM  

IgG4: dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...

You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...


We military types have it drilled into us to think like the enemy. I've often thought exactly the same thing (though I didn't make the leap to hunting rifles... that's a good one).

The big thing that today's crop of terrorists fark up is being stuck on explosives for some reason. They'll bomb a bus, they'll bomb a market, they'll bomb a clinic, they'll bomb a marathon... just bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.

The IRA did it right during The Troubles. They did a little bombing, sure, but the terrifying part of their plots were the unpredictable nature of them. Bomb a restaurant one day. Wait a week. Shoot up a metro station. Wait two days. Attack a British Army checkpoint with a flamethrower (this one actually did happen).

For fark's sake, the hardest part of terrorism is recruiting. Al Qaida's got that in spades. The actual attacks are easy, especially in an urban environment... just be thankful that they're largely incompetent in that regard.

/Bomb
//Bomb bomb
///Bomb bomb bomb.
 
2014-07-03 11:01:56 AM  

IgG4: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...


In any thread, regardless of topic, he will drone on and on and on about guns. It's relentlessly boring.
 
2014-07-03 11:03:38 AM  

Rhino_man: We military types have it drilled into us to think like the enemy. I've often thought exactly the same thing (though I didn't make the leap to hunting rifles... that's a good one).

The big thing that today's crop of terrorists fark up is being stuck on explosives for some reason. They'll bomb a bus, they'll bomb a market, they'll bomb a clinic, they'll bomb a marathon... just bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.

The IRA did it right during The Troubles. They did a little bombing, sure, but the terrifying part of their plots were the unpredictable nature of them. Bomb a restaurant one day. Wait a week. Shoot up a metro station. Wait two days. Attack a British Army checkpoint with a flamethrower (this one actually did happen).

For fark's sake, the hardest part of terrorism is recruiting. Al Qaida's got that in spades. The actual attacks are easy, especially in an urban environment... just be thankful that they're largely incompetent in that regard.


It seems they often are. The Germans in WWI were complete cockups at sabotage. The NYPD broke them open for god's sake.
 
2014-07-03 11:04:19 AM  

Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.


He also makes a great case for "if there's a will there's a way..."
 
2014-07-03 11:05:41 AM  

dittybopper: Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.


Farther than NoVA.  I still remember when the guy got shot in Ashland--Richmond and the surrounding counties closed the schools down the next day.  Keep in mind that Ashland is TWENTY-FIVE MILES from Richmond.  Also I remember people going to gas stations and sitting in their cars while getting fill-ups.  That was a weird time.

/stupid kid was stupid
 
2014-07-03 11:06:10 AM  

dittybopper: Hey, his name is Malvo.  If it was Bonvo, I could see maybe, but he's obviously the "Badvo", so no.


Latin thread was yesterday!  ;->
 
2014-07-03 11:07:22 AM  

dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.
 
2014-07-03 11:08:46 AM  

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:



would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate.  Same with team #3:  When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Alternatively, you could have multiple teams operating independently in different areas.  Make it a nation-wide panic instead of just a regional one.  All teams activate on or about the same day, but they don't know anything about the other teams.

Something like that is much less risky from the perspective of a person planning this


Heck - with a couple of cans of gasoline with rags stuck in the top, a couple of bike locks and a lighter you could kill an entire building worth of people in one attack. You'd just need to choose the building carefully, and possibly block a back door with a car or something.

If all you want to do is cause damage there are many, many ways to do so without resorting to anything exotic - or even actual weapons. Just a little imagination and a modest modicum of planning. I'm honestly a little surprised there aren't more attacks on the public by either terrorists or disgruntled crazies. In fact, I recall reading some (leaked, IIRC) documents found by special forces in Al Quaeda hideouts way back in the beginning of the Afghanistan war that described some simple attacks on office buildings and other highly occupied spaces which would probably be pretty devastating.
 
2014-07-03 11:08:47 AM  

Notabunny: The good news is that with open-carry becoming so popular, Malvo won't have to hide in a trunk any more.


How many people have you seen open-carrying?
 
2014-07-03 11:09:13 AM  
How about changing your sentence to what your cohort, John Allen Muhammad, was given?
 
2014-07-03 11:09:27 AM  

vernonFL: IF he was just a kid who was brainwashed, then I would consider it.

Has he been checked out by mental heath experts?


Don't know about his current psychological status (though he sounds "better" from what I've read and heard the past few years) but yeah, it's an interesting story. His relationship with John Allen Muhammad and how he was groomed by him is pretty farked up.
 
2014-07-03 11:09:30 AM  

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


Rich white people are a national treasure, though.
 
2014-07-03 11:09:47 AM  
Hey, Lee Boyd, why don't you do me a favor:

Continue to absorb incredible amounts of prison dick, and go fark yourself.

You can get out when you can resurrect the people you killed.
 
2014-07-03 11:09:48 AM  
Okay, you're free to go.
1.bp.blogspot.com

Just across the large open field. Go ahead. The gun? Oh, I always carry this old thing with me. Well, what are you waiting for? Go. You're free.
 
2014-07-03 11:10:41 AM  

doomjesse: Katolu: dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".

You make a great case for gun control.

He also makes a great case for "if there's a will there's a way..."


i1.ytimg.com

Song is gonna be stuck in my head all day now, tyvm
 
2014-07-03 11:10:43 AM  

This text is now purple: Rhino_man: We military types have it drilled into us to think like the enemy. I've often thought exactly the same thing (though I didn't make the leap to hunting rifles... that's a good one).

The big thing that today's crop of terrorists fark up is being stuck on explosives for some reason. They'll bomb a bus, they'll bomb a market, they'll bomb a clinic, they'll bomb a marathon... just bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.

The IRA did it right during The Troubles. They did a little bombing, sure, but the terrifying part of their plots were the unpredictable nature of them. Bomb a restaurant one day. Wait a week. Shoot up a metro station. Wait two days. Attack a British Army checkpoint with a flamethrower (this one actually did happen).

For fark's sake, the hardest part of terrorism is recruiting. Al Qaida's got that in spades. The actual attacks are easy, especially in an urban environment... just be thankful that they're largely incompetent in that regard.

It seems they often are. The Germans in WWI were complete cockups at sabotage. The NYPD broke them open for god's sake.


This is what happens when forces that are used to fighting against armies start trying to fight against populations. They do it all wrong.

The current crop of Islamic extremists were trained to fight off a Soviet invasion. They haven't updated their tactics all that much, thank fark.
 
2014-07-03 11:10:58 AM  
cdn.fansided.com

Are you sure Lee? Are you sure that's what you want?
 
2014-07-03 11:11:23 AM  
As far as Malvo is concerned: No.

You were treated as an adult under the law properly.  You were an active accomplice before, during and after the fact.  You indeed pulled the trigger at least twice.  Age shouldn't matter here. No parole. period.
 
2014-07-03 11:12:21 AM  

dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.


Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.
 
2014-07-03 11:12:22 AM  
dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.
 
2014-07-03 11:12:24 AM  

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


Except none of the victims were rich white people.
 
2014-07-03 11:15:14 AM  
After long consideration, my carefully worded and well thought out response is: Fark you.
 
2014-07-03 11:15:31 AM  

MythDragon: dittybopper: If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team. They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks. The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured. So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will see on the news, and then they activate. Same with team #3: When they see that team #2 is killed or captured, they activate, and so on.

Also you skip a number. So it goes like team 2,3,4,6. So when they eventualy get captured people start freaking out about were team 5 is.


I don't think they would actually wear numbers
 
2014-07-03 11:15:59 AM  
If I would have found them when I was up there looking for them, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Sadly I was looking in wooded areas and not for a person inside a car.

I think he should have got death even though they say he was controlled by the other guy. Still let him rot in there and then put him in the ground in the prison yard so he never gets out.
 
2014-07-03 11:16:50 AM  

airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.


Pfft. Like they need that.

I find it amusing how people are under the impression that evil people are somehow unable to think up ways to harm others. There's always a way. Even in prison, with super strict security, no privacy, and a constant threat of searches, the inmates find a way.

It's just not possible to stay 100% secure by keeping ideas/tools out of the hands of those who would do harm. That's a fool's errand. Better to be imaginative and vigilant to stop them when they try to pull something.
 
2014-07-03 11:17:26 AM  

FLMountainMan: Notabunny: The good news is that with open-carry becoming so popular, Malvo won't have to hide in a trunk any more.

How many people have you seen open-carrying?


Well, none. But to be fair, I haven't seen anyone hiding in a trunk, either.
 
2014-07-03 11:17:51 AM  

FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.


I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.
 
2014-07-03 11:18:08 AM  

airsupport: dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.

STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS.


I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.
 
2014-07-03 11:19:13 AM  

FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.


Dude, never let facts get in the way of a good ole race bait like that
 
2014-07-03 11:20:52 AM  

FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.


Actually, it was a mix of people. Some were landscapers and bus drivers and other were indeed fairly well-off white people.
 
2014-07-03 11:21:02 AM  

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that if an organization like Al Qaeda actually wants to commit terrorism in the United States, something like the DC sniper attacks using multiple teams, either concurrently or sequentially, is the way to go.

Those two individuals had the greater DC/NoVA/Maryland area in a panic, and it took a long time to figure out who they were, and they were found out largely because of their own stupidity.

They used an AR-15, *BUT* the nature of their attacks were such that pretty much any rifle would have worked:  They fired a single shot at almost all of their victims.  Any hunting rifle, even a single shot H&R Handi-rifle like this:

[cdn.armslist.com image 640x341]

would be perfectly adequate for that kind of use and more importantly it wouldn't raise any eyebrows.  In fact, they should actively avoid any kind of firearm that might be controversial in any way.  Stick to bolt action or single shot hunting and target rifles.  Don't try to make them look "tacticool".   A well-dressed, shaved Middle-Eastern looking person at a gun range sighting in a target or hunting rifle with well-aimed single shots isn't going to sound any alarm bells.  Neither would the purchase of a few boxes of non-military caliber ammunition, especially the kind typically used for hunting or target shooting.  No one cares if someone bought 5 or 10 boxes of .243 Winchester.

If you had multiple teams that had no knowledge of or contact with the other teams, even if the police do manage to kill or capture one of the teams, that isn't much help in stopping the others.

The best way to do that would be to assign each team a number, except for the first team.  They don't get a number, they just get told the date on which to initiate their attacks.  The other teams only know what number they are, not how many come after them, and their job is to initiate after the team before them are killed or captured.  So team #2 waits until the first team is killed/captured, which they will s ...


And in particular, I would have my teams target elementary schools and large shopping centers.  Maybe school buses.  You're trying for the most terror possible, right?  Massive disruption?  You'd get it targeting little kids and malls.  See how fast parents keep their kids out of school, and how quickly you chew up police budgets if they have to send a squad car after every bus in the country, SWAT teams surrounding every school, mall, and shopping center.  Better than your light skinned Arab, try to use racial groups against each other.  White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods, dark skinned ones in white suburbs.  If you're lucky, when the authorities catch up with your teams, you'll fan racial hatred and discord, and you might be able to spark some riots.  Commerce will be restricted, schools shut down, race riots started.  Massive disruptions for the cost of 12-15 men.

/Posting this from Ft. Meade, MD
//Why make them travel to come interview me
 
2014-07-03 11:24:04 AM  

FLMountainMan: FLMountainMan: Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.

Except none of the victims were rich white people.

I mean seriously, this is how ignorant you are.  The victims on the first day were a landscaper, a part-time taxi driver named Premkumar Walekar, a Latina babysitter/maid, a woman vacuuming a Dodge Caravan, and a 72 year old retired carpenter named Pascal.


I was trying to remember his name, but then you responded before I could. Thanks.

He was killed in Aspen Hill, at a gas station I've been to a hundred time before and since, and the babysitter (Sarah Ramos) killed right afterwards was killed in/near Leisure World, where my grandmother lived (though, like all old Jews, she was in Florida at the time).

Those two ruined my 21st birthday (October 2002). I'm normally against capital punishment, but this aggressions should not stand, man.
 
2014-07-03 11:24:17 AM  

dittybopper: vernonFL: Um, Dittybopper I would expect a visit from the FBI shortly.

You know, I've been talking about this kind of stuff on Fark for a while now.    I've mentioned this particular idea several times:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6441115/70805563#c70805563

http://www.fark.com/comments/4730028/55502476#c55502476

http://www.fark.com/comments/4639928/54456992#c54456992

I've yet to get a visit from the FBI.

It's just a "thought experiment".


It's easy to see why you are so insistent upon not taking away the gun "rights" of mentally ill people.
 
2014-07-03 11:24:28 AM  
I'm just not sure that he is going to do well in prison.  Are we sure their aren't anymore options?  Like Dittybopper's half-way house for the regretful sniper.
 
2014-07-03 11:25:41 AM  

MythDragon: I always thought a good terror attack would be to attack some small town. You know, out in Sisterfarker, Idaho. The town with just one red flashing light. And the town's only resturant and gas station are in the same building. You kill a bunch of people there, and then release a video saying, "You aren't safe anywhere. We will get you anywhere. Doesn't matter if it's the Mall of America, or a Wisconsin Chuck E Cheese with only 30 people. There is no where that you could be that we won't strike."

You want to inspire terror, that's the way to do it.


Yup. Al-Qaeda's failing is that they wanted to strike at symbols. Well, the WTC and Pentagon may be huge office buildings, but most Americans not only don't work there, but have never seen them with their own eyes.

You want to freak people out? Strike at the mundane everyday places. Grocery stores. Fast food joints. Gas stations. Look at how much some were panicked after the shootings in the theater in Colorado and the grade school in Sandy Hook... places that are not generally seen as dangerous.

Hell, even the crappy movie Invasion USA goes along with this- they're hitting houses in the suburbs, school buses, and things like that. Yes, the movie was nothing more than a Chuck Norris shoot em up, but it's an example of people realizing what to do if one wants to panic the populace.

It's not hard to stampede the herd. You start by making them feel threatened in places they once thought of as safe. It's not possible to secure that many places with police/counterterror... it's also not possible to keep miscreants from getting their hands on the tools to threaten such places effectively.
 
2014-07-03 11:26:18 AM  
Tired of being ass raped is he???  To Bad, Not Sad!
 
2014-07-03 11:26:32 AM  

dittybopper: I've been saying for years that...


They've thought of it. I'm pretty sure I read it in one of those declassified memos from the previous admin.  In fact the guy who organized these shootings had a larger plan to train more young people to expand the attacks and use other methods.
 
2014-07-03 11:26:38 AM  

Shaggy_C: Random people get shot in drive-by's in the hood on a daily basis; you only ever hear about it when it becomes excessive (like 40+ people killed on any given Chicago weekend).

Soon as it happens to rich white people at gas stations, though...watch out, national headlines.


When you really think about it, it's the white people's fault that they got shot.  They may be the victim but that doesn't mean they're not to blame.
 
2014-07-03 11:27:48 AM  

IgG4: ...


DittyBomber, amirite?
 
2014-07-03 11:28:12 AM  
How old was he when he committed these crimes?
In principle, I don't think juveniles should be sentenced to life in prison. This was a particularly horrible series of crimes and emotionally I'd rather not see him ever get out. But if I think about it more calmly, I'd be willing to let him serve a fairly long sentence and eventually have some experts in the proper psychiatric fields determine if he can ever be let out.
 
2014-07-03 11:28:38 AM  

Katolu: You make a great case for gun control.


Very true.

However, since there is no possible way you can stop something like that without a complete ban on guns, which has been ruled by the Supreme Court to be explicitly unconstitutional in the US, twice, I'm not all that worried about it.
 
2014-07-03 11:29:26 AM  

devildog123: White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods


You'd get more impact if you dress them as cops. Look for the fractures in society. Build the teams to exacerbate those fractures. If minorities worry about police brutality, use that as a lever to build mistrust with the government and law and order in general. If they're worried about stereotypes of minorities, then making them look like stereotypical gangbangers will cause them to be even more fearful of outsiders.

You fracture society even further, causing the whole to come that much closer to shattering.

/Some of you people have no imagination... your squeamishness with the topic is why this stuff would work so well.
 
2014-07-03 11:30:29 AM  

dittybopper: You have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this...

You appear to have given this a lot of thought.

Actually, not as much as you might think.

Really, it's just a synthesis of 9/11 Al Qaeda teams combined with the DC Sniper attacks.

But yeah, I often engage in that sort of intellectual exercise.

Autonomous drug smuggling submarine:
http://www.fark.com/comments/4159962/48110606#c48110606

Cruise missile using long range GPS guided model airplanes:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7708110/83722315#c83722315

How GPS would make something like the Japanese Balloon Bombs of WWII a viable terror weapon:
http://www.fark.com/comments/8014198/87573735#c87573735

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


If the DC sniper/Al Qaeda synthesis happens, it'll be the Republicans with a worthwhile solution, for once.

Arm f*cking EVERYONE.
 
2014-07-03 11:31:01 AM  

walkerhound: ChipNASA: SmackLT: Dear Mr. Malvo:

We have decided to let you out of prison. We have even given you a vehicle which is yours. The keys are inside:

[c1.staticflickr.com image 480x640]

We have given each of the families of the victims a powerful rifle with an accurate scope, and they have been practicing hitting targets up to a half-mile away for the last six months. We've told them that you're getting out so that they've had time to reconnoiter the area. They may or may not be waiting in hiding for you.

Go for it.

Don't forget to ZIG ZAG.

[thisdistractedglobe.com image 500x213]


Jack Black was actually enjoyable to watch in that movie..

/ :-)
 
2014-07-03 11:31:46 AM  

JackieRabbit: Well, his attorney makes an unfortunate, but good point. Yet, somehow, I don't think he will get anywhere with the SCOTUS. I'm betting the case will never be heard and if it is, he will be ruled against unanimously. Some people are just too dangerous infamous to ever be allowed to walk free again.


More likely the case, best I can figure. He's screwed for life, in or out.

teenytinycornteeth: dittybopper:

It's fun to think "outside of the box" and come up with alternate means to accomplish a task.


You know, this line might make you seem less creepy if the "task" you were trying to accomplish was "how to transport water" with nothing but a roll of paper or "how to create a shelter out of acorns".  That would be "fun".  But your "task" is how to instill panic in the populace and kill large numbers of innocent civilians.  I guess I'm missing where the "fun" comes in.


Indeed. I'm not sure which is creepier, how much he goes on about it, or the "fun" angle he sees in that.
 
2014-07-03 11:32:44 AM  
And in particular, I would have my teams target elementary schools and large shopping centers.  Maybe school buses.  You're trying for the most terror possible, right?  Massive disruption?  You'd get it targeting little kids and malls.  See how fast parents keep their kids out of school, and how quickly you chew up police budgets if they have to send a squad car after every bus in the country, SWAT teams surrounding every school, mall, and shopping center.  Better than your light skinned Arab, try to use racial groups against each other.  White (or light skinned) shooters in minority neighborhoods, dark skinned ones in white suburbs.  If you're lucky, when the authorities catch up with your teams, you'll fan racial hatred and discord, and you might be able to spark some riots.  Commerce will be restricted, schools shut down, race riots started.  Massive disruptions for the cost of 12-15 men.

The mall?  Really?  Try some small town Wal Marts and dingy little IGAs out in the middle of nowhere and then some Starbucks in heavier populated areas.  There's not much that can be done with it.  Heck you could get the firearms from the Wal Mart...
 
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