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(UPI)   Scientists discover consciousness on-off switch, eager to test it out in Washington, DC   (upi.com) divider line 42
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2014-07-03 07:43:11 AM
How can they test it in Washington? Don't they need functional brains?
 
2014-07-03 08:56:36 AM
Can a visual activate that switch? I have my suspicions.

michaelhyatt.com
 
2014-07-03 09:06:29 AM
i285.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-03 09:06:49 AM
Neurologist Mohamad Koubeissi of University recounted how he and his colleagues were able to turn a woman's consciousness off and on by stimulating her claustrum.

Giggity!
 
2014-07-03 09:13:27 AM

Langston: How can they test it in Washington? Don't they need functional brains?


That is why you go to the Smithsonian and ignore the White House and Capitol Hill. People in there actually have functioning brains and can use them regardless of the neuro-dampening field that is generated through out DC... I think that field only envelops the White House and the Capitol Building.
 
2014-07-03 09:15:08 AM
I am curious, does she remember anything she saw or heard while "turned off"?
 
2014-07-03 09:25:28 AM
I think mine is faulty. I've never passed out due to a head injury (had plenty of those) or other fainting-like causes. I can also go to sleep at almost any time and place i choose.
 
2014-07-03 09:28:46 AM
FTFA: he and his colleagues were able to turn a woman's consciousness off and on by stimulating her claustrum

Pfft... good luck finding THAT.
 
2014-07-03 09:42:05 AM
You can tell a story is old news when we're already a month or two past Letterman deciding he ran the joke into the ground...
 
2014-07-03 09:42:39 AM
I used to find that switch about two thirds down the bottle.
 
2014-07-03 09:43:45 AM

wildcardjack: I used to find that switch about two thirds down the bottle.


here, here
 
2014-07-03 09:49:57 AM
Next they'll have to work on turning a conscience on.  Bring back a bit of remorse.
 
2014-07-03 09:50:28 AM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-03 09:55:59 AM
it's a single case study...
 
2014-07-03 10:01:56 AM

dready zim: it's a single case study...


Which is how a lot of neuroscience has historically started down the path of discovery. Tan, Phineas Gage, K.C., and H.M. are some of the more "famous" examples of neurological patients who've been instrumental in further exploring particular issues related to human cognition, memory, emotion, consciousness, and behavior. And, more generally, the field of medicine is replete with literature on case studies examining various medical conditions and effects of medications. By itself, sure, the study isn't the final say in anything. But, it's a first say that will encourage follow-ups, hopefully attempts at replication, and so on. That's pretty damn important.
 
2014-07-03 10:05:17 AM
gin+xanax
 
2014-07-03 10:05:32 AM

Bareefer Obonghit:


Don't worry about window or aisle. They've reserved a special compartment for you.

/extra crispy
 
2014-07-03 10:14:48 AM

2wolves: Next they'll have to work on turning a conscience on.  Bring back a bit of remorse.


That. Especially on K street.
 
2014-07-03 10:19:14 AM

dready zim: it's a single case study...


That would be a damn hard sell for volunteers.
 
2014-07-03 10:21:03 AM

Kome: dready zim: it's a single case study...

Which is how a lot of neuroscience has historically started down the path of discovery. Tan, Phineas Gage, K.C., and H.M. are some of the more "famous" examples of neurological patients who've been instrumental in further exploring particular issues related to human cognition, memory, emotion, consciousness, and behavior. And, more generally, the field of medicine is replete with literature on case studies examining various medical conditions and effects of medications. By itself, sure, the study isn't the final say in anything. But, it's a first say that will encourage follow-ups, hopefully attempts at replication, and so on. That's pretty damn important.


THIS.
 
2014-07-03 10:24:12 AM
Until they find a conscience switch and hard wire it to always on, you are wasting your time in the capitol, sadly.
 
2014-07-03 10:24:18 AM
For those who want more than the UPI summary, and without the NewsMax ad infestations, see the full NewScientist article.
 
2014-07-03 10:38:59 AM
Yeah, it's called Jagermeister.
 
2014-07-03 10:45:33 AM
 FTFA: he and his colleagues were able to turn a woman's consciousness off and on by stimulating her claustrum

The switch in men is somewhat lower and exposed to the environment.

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2014-07-03 10:46:41 AM
Isn't this exactly what Deepak Chopra was pretending was impossible and offered a million dollars to prove(because it was so impossible?)


I can't wait to see those goalposts move.
 
2014-07-03 10:47:03 AM
But that's impossible since I have it on good authority from my priest that consciousness comes from our souls.

If we could turn consciousness on and off physically, and change someone's personality with drugs or brain surgery, it would strongly suggest that consciousness is a physical process generated by our meat and that souls are unnecessary to explain existence (in addition to there being no proof of their existence - or explanation of what they are made of, where they are, what structures in the body they attach to, etc.). So souls would just be some fictional stuff people just made up a long time ago!
 
2014-07-03 11:23:41 AM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 200x144]

Toaster.
 
2014-07-03 11:24:18 AM
Did I miss the part in the article where they turned the patient back on? Because they only mention turning the patient into a vegetable. Pretty sure you can do that by poking a few other random places in the brain too.
 
2014-07-03 11:40:22 AM
GW researchers zapped a woman's claustrum with high frequency electrical impulses, she subsequently lost consciousness.


hell i did something very similar last saturday night.
 
2014-07-03 11:52:29 AM
A Possible Life: A Novel in Five Love Stories

by Sebastian Faulks. In one of the stories set in the near future, Faulks predicted this would happen.
 
2014-07-03 12:21:12 PM
And we're one step closer to creating zombies.
 
2014-07-03 12:48:31 PM

Smoking GNU: I think mine is faulty. I've never passed out due to a head injury (had plenty of those) or other fainting-like causes. I can also go to sleep at almost any time and place i choose.


I can take a nap and be asleep in seconds. If I go to bed my brain starts telling me stories and can keep me awake for up to an hour.
 
2014-07-03 12:50:37 PM

dready zim: it's a single case study...


And? Unless her brain is massively different than average, it's a damned good start.
 
2014-07-03 12:51:11 PM

Cheron:  FTFA: he and his colleagues were able to turn a woman's consciousness off and on by stimulating her claustrum

The switch in men is somewhat lower and exposed to the environment.


Love that crazy Gaian witch!!
 
2014-07-03 12:54:40 PM

Ed Grubermann: dready zim: it's a single case study...

And? Unless her brain is massively different than average, it's a damned good start.


Mine is... I think the last user of this brain was Abby Normal or something like that...
 
2014-07-03 01:30:27 PM
Guys... they're powerless without their heads!
 
2014-07-03 02:21:28 PM
We're just going to turn you off for a minute. We have no idea what we're doing, and have no idea if we can turn you back on. Are you okay with this?
 
2014-07-03 02:23:34 PM

mongbiohazard: But that's impossible since I have it on good authority from my priest that consciousness comes from our souls.

If we could turn consciousness on and off physically, and change someone's personality with drugs or brain surgery, it would strongly suggest that consciousness is a physical process generated by our meat and that souls are unnecessary to explain existence (in addition to there being no proof of their existence - or explanation of what they are made of, where they are, what structures in the body they attach to, etc.). So souls would just be some fictional stuff people just made up a long time ago!


Actually, for idealism and dualism it wouldnt mean a thing because it would be the "switch" that turns on/off the connection between the mind/spirit and the brain and for materialista it still doesnt come close to telling us how conciousness comes from non-conciousness material. Theres also many other questions this opens up, but dont let the fact that daddy made you go to church one time stop you from being stupid.
 
2014-07-03 03:46:49 PM
They're called SSRIs.
... oh, thought they said conscienceness.  My bad.
 
2014-07-03 04:25:43 PM
Who?

Me?
 
2014-07-03 10:02:57 PM
So we'll have zone implants soon?

Morn Hyland is waiting expectantly.
 
2014-07-04 09:03:06 AM

The Billdozer: mongbiohazard: But that's impossible since I have it on good authority from my priest that consciousness comes from our souls.

If we could turn consciousness on and off physically, and change someone's personality with drugs or brain surgery, it would strongly suggest that consciousness is a physical process generated by our meat and that souls are unnecessary to explain existence (in addition to there being no proof of their existence - or explanation of what they are made of, where they are, what structures in the body they attach to, etc.). So souls would just be some fictional stuff people just made up a long time ago!

Actually, for idealism and dualism it wouldnt mean a thing because it would be the "switch" that turns on/off the connection between the mind/spirit and the brain and for materialista it still doesnt come close to telling us how conciousness comes from non-conciousness material. Theres also many other questions this opens up, but dont let the fact that daddy made you go to church one time stop you from being stupid.


Came to say this. Probably one of the more useful moments I had was in a class on mind when a grad student raked me over the coals about just what brain-effects imply for consciousness-effects.
 
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