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2014-07-03 12:20:43 PM  
This is a terrible infographic in so many ways. It took me several minutes just to decipher WTF they were talking about by days to fill.

Says nothing about how many jobs there are, what types of jobs are being sought after, why the jobs are taking a while to fill. Mostly looks like a population map.
 
2014-07-03 01:25:51 PM  
STEM Master Race, amirite?
 
2014-07-03 01:26:30 PM  
But, I don't want to move to Michigan.  It's also a bad, bad infographic.
 
2014-07-03 01:26:52 PM  
oh look it's another population distribution map
 
2014-07-03 01:27:32 PM  

Prey4reign: But, I don't want to move to Michigan.  It's also a bad, bad infographic.


but you can buy a mansion cheap in or near detroit
 
2014-07-03 01:28:33 PM  

bdub77: This is a terrible infographic in so many ways. It took me several minutes just to decipher WTF they were talking about by days to fill.

Says nothing about how many jobs there are, what types of jobs are being sought after, why the jobs are taking a while to fill. Mostly looks like a population map.


It's somewhat fitting that an infographic for STEM jobs - praise be upon them - demonstrates why we still need the 'pointless' fields like art and design.
 
2014-07-03 01:28:45 PM  
They're just 'surveyor marks'.
 
2014-07-03 01:29:32 PM  
I want a job where I mostly just check out the internet and take naps and eat and whatnot.

Some kind of high-tech cow would be the perfect job for me.
 
2014-07-03 01:29:48 PM  
!
 
2014-07-03 01:30:50 PM  

Prey4reign: But, I don't want to move to Michigan.  It's also a bad, bad infographic.


Yeah, no shiat. I tend to casually look at job listings and most of the ones in my field are in places where I REFUSE live, like New Jersey and Pennsylvania. And Ohio. Why can't they be in Oregon or Colorado? Or Hawaii?
 
2014-07-03 01:32:29 PM  
This map is bullshiat, total bullshiat. In part, it's because "STEM" is total bullshiat. Any non-moron knows that STEM DOES NOT EXIST when it comes to jobs. Sorry, but having a degree and 25 years experience in molecular biology will NOT get you an entry-level petroleum engineering job, even though both are STEM.

Anyone who uses the term "STEM" like it's a single entity is an idiot.
 
2014-07-03 01:33:45 PM  
Omaha?
 
2014-07-03 01:34:41 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: bdub77: This is a terrible infographic in so many ways. It took me several minutes just to decipher WTF they were talking about by days to fill.
Says nothing about how many jobs there are, what types of jobs are being sought after, why the jobs are taking a while to fill. Mostly looks like a population map.

It's somewhat fitting that an infographic for STEM jobs - praise be upon them - demonstrates why we still need the 'pointless' fields like art and design.


Washington Post executive to editor: "I keep hearing about the GIS field. Who do we have that can do that?"
Editor to executive: "...nobody, sir. I'm not even sure how we would use it."
Executive to editor: "This is why we're losing readers - we're behind in new technologies. Get someone on board NOW!"

(later)

Editor to applicant: "So your resume mentions a background in GIS. Do you have much experience?"
Applicant to editor: "Do you even know what GIS is?"
Editor: "Not really."
Applicant: "In that case - yes, I'm exactly what you're looking for."

(later)

GIS-con-man hands useless product to idiot blogger, blogger thanks GIS-con-man, GIS-con-man slams a Dew in celebration of his accomplishment.
 
2014-07-03 01:37:45 PM  
Uhhh....I'm just going to say it.  I don't know what GIS is.  Is that a thing I'm supposed to know?
 
2014-07-03 01:39:01 PM  

loonatic112358: oh look it's another population distribution map


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-03 01:39:28 PM  
Site kept trying to open shiat which distracted me from looking at the map for too long.
But I gathered enough to know that it really isn't any more helpful than a population map.  Mostly because it doesn't say what KINDs of jobs they are talking about.

It's great when 150 new jobs open up in some place in NJ.  But if those jobs are for minimum wage, low level, call center people, that's hardly helpful.

Interesting story.
What I just said actually happened a couple of weeks ago.  My wife got called in for an interview.  Big company.  They said the position was management, and required a BA at least.  Good payscale.  Everything looked good.  She got there, interviewed with someone who knew nothing at all.  They called and offered her the job of low level, call center person.  They were trying to fill 150 of those positions.  So they gathered up damn near anyone who was looking for work, promised them a good job, and offered them a shiat job.

Jerks.
 
2014-07-03 01:40:08 PM  

skinink: Omaha?


d3scmz9sa6n2x2.cloudfront.net
 
2014-07-03 01:40:14 PM  

IvyLady: Uhhh....I'm just going to say it.  I don't know what GIS is.  Is that a thing I'm supposed to know?


Google Internet Search?

/been used for a while now
//too many acronyms
 
2014-07-03 01:45:35 PM  
Looking at map, was thinking nuclear explosions.
 
2014-07-03 01:45:47 PM  

JRoo: I want a job where I mostly just check out the internet and take naps and eat and whatnot.

Some kind of high-tech cow would be the perfect job for me.


You want drews job, basically
 
2014-07-03 01:48:17 PM  

IvyLady: Uhhh....I'm just going to say it.  I don't know what GIS is.  Is that a thing I'm supposed to know?


geographic information systems


think of stuff like google maps, or your local municipality and it's interactive maps, now think of all the data behind that, that's GIS
 
2014-07-03 01:48:45 PM  

clkeagle: Jaden Smith First of His Name: bdub77: This is a terrible infographic in so many ways. It took me several minutes just to decipher WTF they were talking about by days to fill.
Says nothing about how many jobs there are, what types of jobs are being sought after, why the jobs are taking a while to fill. Mostly looks like a population map.

It's somewhat fitting that an infographic for STEM jobs - praise be upon them - demonstrates why we still need the 'pointless' fields like art and design.

Washington Post executive to editor: "I keep hearing about the GIS field. Who do we have that can do that?"
Editor to executive: "...nobody, sir. I'm not even sure how we would use it."
Executive to editor: "This is why we're losing readers - we're behind in new technologies. Get someone on board NOW!"

(later)

Editor to applicant: "So your resume mentions a background in GIS. Do you have much experience?"
Applicant to editor: "Do you even know what GIS is?"
Editor: "Not really."
Applicant: "In that case - yes, I'm exactly what you're looking for."

(later)

GIS-con-man hands useless product to idiot blogger, blogger thanks GIS-con-man, GIS-con-man slams a Dew in celebration of his accomplishment.


You laugh, but as an ArcGIS Analyst/Developer who's second to the hiring manager here, we have been having a real difficult time finding Technicians recently.
 
2014-07-03 01:49:58 PM  

meathome: IvyLady: Uhhh....I'm just going to say it.  I don't know what GIS is.  Is that a thing I'm supposed to know?

Google Internet Search?

/been used for a while now
//too many acronyms


Around here it's Google Image Search, but in the real world it's Geographic Information System(s).
 
2014-07-03 01:51:42 PM  
I'd like to move to Kansas City.
 
2014-07-03 01:53:11 PM  
I take it the 18 day duration for San Francisco includes the fake job posting and bribe to congress critter before getting your H1B visa request approved.
 
2014-07-03 01:55:47 PM  

durbnpoisn: Site kept trying to open shiat which distracted me from looking at the map for too long.
But I gathered enough to know that it really isn't any more helpful than a population map.  Mostly because it doesn't say what KINDs of jobs they are talking about.

It's great when 150 new jobs open up in some place in NJ.  But if those jobs are for minimum wage, low level, call center people, that's hardly helpful.

Interesting story.
What I just said actually happened a couple of weeks ago.  My wife got called in for an interview.  Big company.  They said the position was management, and required a BA at least.  Good payscale.  Everything looked good.  She got there, interviewed with someone who knew nothing at all.  They called and offered her the job of low level, call center person.  They were trying to fill 150 of those positions.  So they gathered up damn near anyone who was looking for work, promised them a good job, and offered them a shiat job.

Jerks.


WOW.

They say in business you shouldn't burn bridges, but that place needs to be nuked from orbit.
 
2014-07-03 01:56:00 PM  
The Carolinas and Michigan stand out as regions where jobs are taking a long time to fill.

Well, who the fark wants to live in either of those places?
\Smug in Vermont.
 
2014-07-03 01:57:08 PM  
Wait, do I want to live in a place that fills jobs quickly or a place that takes forever to fill them? Because I have enough experience to know that how quickly a position is filled isn't always related to the availability of talent.

My current job literally called me two hours after I sent in my resume to set up an interview and then called to offer me the job a couple hours after I got back from said interview.

Meanwhile my sister is still going through the interview process for a job that contacted her for the first time a month after she applied and told her they'd check back with her in a week after they'd interviewed a few of the other candidates. They did, in fact, check in with her a week later to tell her that they really liked her but were sorry to say that they couldn't make a decision yet because they hadn't had time to interview anybody else that week and she'd need to wait another week to hear back.
 
2014-07-03 01:58:11 PM  

bdub77: This is a terrible infographic in so many ways. It took me several minutes just to decipher WTF they were talking about by days to fill.

Says nothing about how many jobs there are, what types of jobs are being sought after, why the jobs are taking a while to fill. Mostly looks like a population map.


It isn't even close to a population map (LA's dot it tiny for example).  And just about any map loses information.  I think this one is interesting because there's apparently a significant regional cultural factor to how long a job should remain vacant.  In the Southeast people are lazy and slow-moving, so you'd expect them not be in a hurry to fill positions.  OTOH areas with a lot of very skilled labor (like Silicon Valley) need to take their time because hiring decisions are crucial.  (North Carolina has both problems.)

This map is probably more of interest to people hiring than people looking but it makes sense that if positions remain vacant and you need work you could do worse than to move somewhere with a big dot.
 
2014-07-03 02:00:43 PM  
Also, if I try to post multiple paragraphs in mobile, it deletes my entire message and says that I tried to post a blank comment. /Slashy goes here because I've been banned from hitting enter, apparently.
 
2014-07-03 02:00:46 PM  
I though it was the best locations for hookers and blow.
 
2014-07-03 02:00:55 PM  

clkeagle: Jaden Smith First of His Name: bdub77: This is a terrible infographic in so many ways. It took me several minutes just to decipher WTF they were talking about by days to fill.
Says nothing about how many jobs there are, what types of jobs are being sought after, why the jobs are taking a while to fill. Mostly looks like a population map.

It's somewhat fitting that an infographic for STEM jobs - praise be upon them - demonstrates why we still need the 'pointless' fields like art and design.

Washington Post executive to editor: "I keep hearing about the GIS field. Who do we have that can do that?"
Editor to executive: "...nobody, sir. I'm not even sure how we would use it."
Executive to editor: "This is why we're losing readers - we're behind in new technologies. Get someone on board NOW!"

(later)

Editor to applicant: "So your resume mentions a background in GIS. Do you have much experience?"
Applicant to editor: "Do you even know what GIS is?"
Editor: "Not really."
Applicant: "In that case - yes, I'm exactly what you're looking for."

(later)

GIS-con-man hands useless product to idiot blogger, blogger thanks GIS-con-man, GIS-con-man slams a Dew in celebration of his accomplishment.


I just did a GIS on "GIS field " and got a lot of pictures of people staring at cell phones, so I'm figuring is means doing GIS for a living.

Count me IN!

/also, I's a map freak.
 
2014-07-03 02:04:22 PM  
People who really need jobs rarely move for them anymore.  Witness the unemployment rate in Detroit vs. the unemployment rate in Detroit's suburbs.
 
2014-07-03 02:06:38 PM  

Delta1212: Also, if I try to post multiple paragraphs in mobile, it deletes my entire message and says that I tried to post a blank comment. /Slashy goes here because I've been banned from hitting enter, apparently.

Same here, but not on mobile. Need one of those STEM grads to un-bork Fark's software. I was going to point out how stupid the "just a population map" comments are -- do you expect job openings not to correlate at least somewhat with population? -- but by the time I debugged Fark's problem I'd been beaten to the punch.
 
2014-07-03 02:07:43 PM  
Yeah, that median duration of vacancies seems pretty accurate for NC. Some of the tech companies here really hold out for some kind of farking tech supergeek.
 
2014-07-03 02:07:45 PM  
There are tons of technical jobs open in the Detroit area.   They stay open for so long because that is how long it takes to get the visas approved.  Nobody hires local up in here unless you want to overpay for organic, artisan-crafted STEMers.
 
2014-07-03 02:16:26 PM  
dr.zaeus:
You laugh, but as an ArcGIS Analyst/Developer who's second to the hiring manager here, we have been having a real difficult time finding Technicians recently.

I don't laugh. It seems like 90% of applicants for GIS positions are con-men and you have to know a decent amount about it to interview and hire good ones. A large number of the jobs available are government ones, so low standards are the norm. They can hide in those positions for years undetected. I am always skeptical of a GIS person who ONLY has self-employed contracting work and government work.
 
2014-07-03 02:20:29 PM  

vudukungfu: The Carolinas and Michigan stand out as regions where jobs are taking a long time to fill.

Well, who the fark wants to live in either of those places?
\Smug in Vermont.


NC is actually pretty great. yes, even compared to VT.
 
2014-07-03 02:25:54 PM  

clkeagle: Editor to applicant: "So your resume mentions a background in GIS. Do you have much experience?"
Applicant to editor: "Do you even know what GIS is?"
Editor: "Not really."
Applicant: "In that case - yes, I'm exactly what you're looking for."


And here I didn't even know you could get paid to do Google Image Searches.

/ would think that Geographical Information Systems produce answers to questions as opposed to products
 
2014-07-03 02:29:24 PM  

Silly_Sot: This map is bullshiat, total bullshiat. In part, it's because "STEM" is total bullshiat. Any non-moron knows that STEM DOES NOT EXIST when it comes to jobs. Sorry, but having a degree and 25 years experience in molecular biology will NOT get you an entry-level petroleum engineering job, even though both are STEM.

Anyone who uses the term "STEM" like it's a single entity is an idiot.


The distinction is it's the only category of education that allows people make anything.

Which is important for an economy to have.  If you have a large surplus of chemical engineers(and their wages go down), that's a strong incentive to create a new chemical company/branch of existing companies to use their abilities.  Same with factory technicians, who know how to build things.  If you have a large surplus of marketing analysts, on the other hand, it's not a field that can freely expand.  More potential employees just drives down salaries, but never really justifies hiring more.

The reasoning on the big-scale economy level is sound, but for an individual, it's not really meaningful distinction.

And I'm trying to put this in a "engineers are better than everyone else, since we provide for everyone" framing: analysis, marketing(even if I hate them for other reasons), management, financial planners, they can all make the economy more efficient, but they never form the basis of any sort of expansion.
 
2014-07-03 02:31:30 PM  

cleek: NC is actually pretty great. yes, even compared to VT.


He lies, the humidity monster will consume your flesh.  Also we just elected the worst bunch of state leadership since segregation.
 
2014-07-03 02:35:09 PM  
what if we're looking for a handout?  i heard that under obama those would be available for those of us who would rather not work because we're lazy.
 
2014-07-03 02:38:31 PM  

aedude01: durbnpoisn: Site kept trying to open shiat which distracted me from looking at the map for too long.
But I gathered enough to know that it really isn't any more helpful than a population map.  Mostly because it doesn't say what KINDs of jobs they are talking about.

It's great when 150 new jobs open up in some place in NJ.  But if those jobs are for minimum wage, low level, call center people, that's hardly helpful.

Interesting story.
What I just said actually happened a couple of weeks ago.  My wife got called in for an interview.  Big company.  They said the position was management, and required a BA at least.  Good payscale.  Everything looked good.  She got there, interviewed with someone who knew nothing at all.  They called and offered her the job of low level, call center person.  They were trying to fill 150 of those positions.  So they gathered up damn near anyone who was looking for work, promised them a good job, and offered them a shiat job.

Jerks.

WOW.

They say in business you shouldn't burn bridges, but that place needs to be nuked from orbit.


Had the same thing happen to me a couple of years back.  Senior developer position, blah blah, showed up and it was some pyramid scheme cosmetics thing.  I walked out during the video presentation and they made the mistake of asking me why, and as a result, about 20 other previously-confused people walked out with me.

Scummy companies do this all the time.
 
2014-07-03 02:54:48 PM  

Delta1212: Meanwhile my sister is still going through the interview process for a job that contacted her for the first time a month after she applied and told her they'd check back with her in a week after they'd interviewed a few of the other candidates. They did, in fact, check in with her a week later to tell her that they really liked her but were sorry to say that they couldn't make a decision yet because they hadn't had time to interview anybody else that week and she'd need to wait another week to hear back.


For my first job out of college, I applied in May and got a call in November.  (Then it was my job to do in six months what was originally slated for a year.  No problem.)
 
2014-07-03 02:55:38 PM  

ikanreed: The distinction is it's the only category of education that allows people make anything.


Funny, that's exactly the argument I've heard for training more farmers, factory workers, miners, or skilled craftsmen.
 
2014-07-03 02:56:27 PM  
And THIS leads to another similar story from a few weeks earlier.

My wife got called in for an interview with some insurance company.  Before she went, I did some research myself.  I come to find that they one of these places that brings in like 50 people, at a time.  They basically give them a pitch about selling insurance for the company.  "We provide contacts, good money, etc etc..."

They leave out the fact that the "job" is pretty much door to door sales, at your expense.  They won't even cover your gas costs.  And your salary is almost entirely based on commission.

Needless to say, I advised her to tell them to fark off.
 
2014-07-03 03:04:29 PM  

jfarkinB: Funny, that's exactly the argument I've heard for training more farmers, factory workers, miners, or skilled craftsmen.


Other than farmers, those are actually STEM jobs.  Specifically the T part.  Skilled mining technicians are technicians.   Skilled craftsmen are technicians.
 
2014-07-03 03:09:45 PM  

ikanreed: jfarkinB: Funny, that's exactly the argument I've heard for training more farmers, factory workers, miners, or skilled craftsmen.

Other than farmers, those are actually STEM jobs.  Specifically the T part.  Skilled mining technicians are technicians.   Skilled craftsmen are technicians.


Where do writers, musicians, actors, and artists fit in? It's hard to argue that an author isn't capable of creation, so I don't think it's accurate that only STEM jobs create.
 
2014-07-03 03:33:22 PM  

ikanreed: jfarkinB: Funny, that's exactly the argument I've heard for training more farmers, factory workers, miners, or skilled craftsmen.

Other than farmers, those are actually STEM jobs.  Specifically the T part.  Skilled mining technicians are technicians.   Skilled craftsmen are technicians.


That's not what everybody else means when they talk about "Science, Technology, Engineering and Math" education or jobs, though.
 
2014-07-03 03:34:21 PM  
I had my first job interview (STEM field) a week and a half after I lost my job in May, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/Didn't start till mid-June
/There's a lot of crossover in the STEM field actually. A look at the current and former fields of current and former coworkers includes Marine Biologists, chemists, physicists, network administrators, Aerospace engineers, agricultural engineers, Math professors, Surveyors...
 
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