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(Talking Points Memo)   SCOTUS: "Nobody would dare use our Hobby Lobby ruling to justify discriminating against gay people." Fourteen anti-gay business representatives: "Challenge accepted"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 288
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2014-07-02 02:38:48 PM  
This shiat will get out of control, and we'll be lucky if we manage to live through it.
 
2014-07-02 02:43:48 PM  
The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.
 
2014-07-02 02:51:32 PM  

exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.


"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"
 
2014-07-02 02:56:42 PM  
FTA: "Our concern about an executive order without a religious exemption is about more than the direct financial impact on religious organizations. While the nation has undergone incredible social and legal change over the last decade, we still live in a nation with different beliefs about sexuality. We must find a way to respect diversity of opinion on this issue in a way that respects the dignity of all parties to the best of our ability. There is no perfect solution that will make all parties completely happy."

Yes, and the parties that aren't made happy should be the ones that believe having a sexuality other than "heterosexual" should mean you're unemployable.
 
2014-07-02 02:59:42 PM  
Thanks for building us that shiny new slippery slope, SCOTUS. It's super cool.
 
2014-07-02 03:00:48 PM  

robsul82: Thanks for building us that shiny new slippery slope, SCOTUS. It's super cool.


I'm a little surprised we're going so fast so soon.
 
2014-07-02 03:01:40 PM  
"this expansion of hiring rights will come at an unreasonable cost to the common good, national unity and religious freedom."

What cost would that be?  That you will have to acknowledge homosexuals exist?  Or are you upset that you might have to pay them?

What I feared from yesterday, that "religious freedom" would become a catch-all phrase to justify discrimination, is taking root.
 
2014-07-02 03:02:28 PM  
See, this is why the idea of recognising religious rights is complete bullshiat.

The rights of freedom of association and freedom of expression are sufficient to allow people to practice their religions voluntarily, and without impinging on those who don't want to follow them.

But, when somebody wants to use their religion as an excuse to either be allowed to do something that other people are legally barred from doing, or to be excused from doing something that other people are legally mandated to do, the correct response should start with the words "go fark yourself" and end with the words "with a chainsaw"
 
2014-07-02 03:13:07 PM  
Dear United States Supreme Court Justices,

Please stop making such stupid rulings. You're giving conservatives in Canada some very bad ideas.


Sincerely,

Rev.K - Canadian Ambassador to Fark.
 
2014-07-02 03:25:25 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"


If the Dems ever found their spines on partisan issues, this would be a great way to dismantle the government funding of "faith-based initiatives".  But they won't, and the Hobby Lobby ruling is going to have far wider-reaching implications than anyone could foresee.

I've always said I don't think I'd ever renounce US citizenship, if I become a Canadian citizen.  Now, though, I'm starting to see a trend that may make it an attractive option.
 
2014-07-02 03:31:27 PM  

exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.


It's unclear based on Hobby Lobby why they wouldn't be successful in this appeal, though.
 
2014-07-02 03:38:11 PM  
This is my surprised face.
 
2014-07-02 03:38:26 PM  
Worst.  SCOTUS.  Ever.
 
2014-07-02 03:42:19 PM  
This here letter was written by bunch of religious leaders who worked for Obama. Will he listen?  Or was he just using them?
 
2014-07-02 03:43:18 PM  

robsul82: Thanks for building us that shiny new slippery slope, SCOTUS. It's super cool.


This is what I couldn't get some of the pro-Hobby Lobby folks around me to understand. This is the thin edge of the wedge.
 
2014-07-02 03:51:01 PM  

robsul82: Thanks for building us that shiny new slippery slope, SCOTUS. It's super cool.


They even greased it up for us. Unfortunately that's the only greasing we'll be receiving.
 
2014-07-02 03:53:37 PM  

SkinnyHead: This here letter was written by bunch of religious leaders who worked for Obama. Will he listen?  Or was he just using them?

Maybe he'll crack open a philosophy book and explain to them what a false dichotomy is.
 
2014-07-02 04:11:30 PM  
Remember when Republicans were mocking us for complaining that the Hobby Lobby decision was a slippery slope?

I remember it like it was yesterday.
 
2014-07-02 04:14:04 PM  
Good job, fu*kwits.
 
2014-07-02 04:19:40 PM  

robsul82: Thanks for building us that shiny new slippery slope, SCOTUS. It's super cool.


This.
 
2014-07-02 04:20:28 PM  
The conservative on SCOTUS are farking retards for not seeing this or the shiat that citzen united caused.

Also the conservative Farker just yesterday saying shiat like this couldn't happen are idiots too.
 
2014-07-02 04:21:50 PM  
Does this mean we can bring back slavery? It's in the Bible....
 
2014-07-02 04:23:01 PM  

exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.


I'd send back the most considerate and polite letter that I could, while pointing out that the First Amendment does honor all religious the Supreme Court did say that this could not be used to justify discrimination.

Of course I'd send it taped to a drone missile, but it would be polite.  After all, even enemies can have manners.
 
2014-07-02 04:23:10 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"


Yeah, that shiat won't fly.  But I can see a similar argument about wedding photographers/caterers/etc. for gay marriages, etc. which might.
 
2014-07-02 04:23:16 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Remember when Republicans were mocking us for complaining that the Hobby Lobby decision was a slippery slope?

I remember it like it was yesterday.


www.troll.me
 
2014-07-02 04:24:04 PM  
Well nobody saw this coming, that's for damn sure
 
2014-07-02 04:24:09 PM  
In John Roberts's America, corporations have religious freedom but employees do not.
 
2014-07-02 04:24:26 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"


Pretty much.

Don't want to follow the rules in order to get money from the government?  Then fark off.

I mean, that's what the conservatives say about other welfare recipients. Right?
 
2014-07-02 04:24:29 PM  
They knew this was going to happen. It was a Jesus's dick in your ass to America.

First some CEO's closely held religious beliefs can't let women have birth control.
Then it's "Jesus hates gays so they can't buy a sandwich at chik fil a"
And then its "my religion doesn't let me serve black folks"
And then it's a christian scientist run corporation that doesn't believe in doctors at all.

So yeah, you can expect every giant corporation in the U.S. that's chartered here to suddenly become deeply Christian Scientist soon.
 
Ehh
2014-07-02 04:24:37 PM  

Bermuda59: Does this mean we can bring back slavery? It's in the Bible....


Yes. It's also tacitly acknowledged in the original (and therefore best) U.S. Constitution.
 
2014-07-02 04:24:38 PM  
Yay potatoes!

/:)
 
2014-07-02 04:25:05 PM  
This can't be. I've been assured many times in these very threads that the decision is narrowly tailored to only contraception and only closely-held companies like Hobby Lobby, and that no other company would ever, ever seek a religious exemption to their responsibilities under the law.
 
2014-07-02 04:25:47 PM  

DamnYankees: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

It's unclear based on Hobby Lobby why they wouldn't be successful in this appeal, though.


You don't think the following language in Hobby Lobby  has preempted precisely this type of appeal and ruled it out?

"The principal dissent raises the possibility that discrimination in hiring, for example on the basis of race, might be cloaked as religious practice to escape legal sanction. Our decision today provides no such shield. The Government has a compelling interest in providing an equal opportunity to participate in the work-force without regard to race, and prohibitions on racial discrimination are precisely tailored to achieve that critical goal."

(Cross posted from the other thread)
 
2014-07-02 04:25:53 PM  
Gays?  Pfft.  That would have come even if Hobby Lobby had lost.

I'm waiting for someone to cite the Curse of Ham in a legal filing as a reason why they should be allowed to refuse to hire, serve, or be Presidented by an African-American.
 
2014-07-02 04:26:01 PM  
IIRC, the executive order covers Federal Government contracts.

If other contracting parties do not agree with the terms of the contracts (i.e. don't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity) then they're free to decline to enter into those contracts.
 
2014-07-02 04:26:17 PM  

Geotpf: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"

Yeah, that shiat won't fly.   But I can see a similar argument about wedding photographers/caterers/etc. for gay marriages, etc. which might.


Earlier this term, SCOTUS refused to grant cert to the New Mexico wedding photographer case.
 
2014-07-02 04:26:38 PM  
Hahahahaha not even 24 hours.

I'd like to think at least Justice Kennedy will check the news today and go "Oh fark, what did I do?"
 
2014-07-02 04:26:52 PM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: What I feared from yesterday, that "religious freedom" would become a catch-all phrase to justify discrimination, is taking root.


Wait until they get a load of the exceptions I'll claim as commanded of me by my God, Cthulhu.
 
2014-07-02 04:28:13 PM  

Geotpf: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"

Yeah, that shiat won't fly.  But I can see a similar argument about wedding photographers/caterers/etc. for gay marriages, etc. which might.


It's been done and he lost in court:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/03/baker-forced-to-make-gay-w ed ding-cakes-undergo-sensitivity-training-after/
 
2014-07-02 04:28:23 PM  

Skyrmion: DamnYankees: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

It's unclear based on Hobby Lobby why they wouldn't be successful in this appeal, though.

You don't think the following language in Hobby Lobby  has preempted precisely this type of appeal and ruled it out?

"The principal dissent raises the possibility that discrimination in hiring, for example on the basis of race, might be cloaked as religious practice to escape legal sanction. Our decision today provides no such shield. The Government has a compelling interest in providing an equal opportunity to participate in the work-force without regard to race, and prohibitions on racial discrimination are precisely tailored to achieve that critical goal."

(Cross posted from the other thread)


I strongly doubt that that language is authoritative rather than obiter dictum.
 
2014-07-02 04:28:41 PM  

qorkfiend: This can't be. I've been assured many times in these very threads that the decision is narrowly tailored to only contraception and only closely-held companies like Hobby Lobby, and that no other company would ever, ever seek a religious exemption to their responsibilities under the law.


Would someone do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
 
2014-07-02 04:28:45 PM  

Skyrmion: DamnYankees: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

It's unclear based on Hobby Lobby why they wouldn't be successful in this appeal, though.

You don't think the following language in Hobby Lobby  has preempted precisely this type of appeal and ruled it out?

"The principal dissent raises the possibility that discrimination in hiring, for example on the basis of race, might be cloaked as religious practice to escape legal sanction. Our decision today provides no such shield. The Government has a compelling interest in providing an equal opportunity to participate in the work-force without regard to race, and prohibitions on racial discrimination are precisely tailored to achieve that critical goal."

(Cross posted from the other thread)


No, I don't. I have zero faith in the Roberts Court to apply its own logic consistently, and especially not when it comes to anti-gay discrimination.
 
2014-07-02 04:29:18 PM  

Mantour: Geotpf: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"

Yeah, that shiat won't fly.  But I can see a similar argument about wedding photographers/caterers/etc. for gay marriages, etc. which might.

It's been done and he lost in court:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/03/baker-forced-to-make-gay-w ed ding-cakes-undergo-sensitivity-training-after/


True, but that case was decided last month, before SCOTUS issued the ruling in question in this thread.
 
2014-07-02 04:29:30 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"



Funnier would be "B. HUSSEIN Obama"
 
2014-07-02 04:29:37 PM  
Someone has some sand in their 'gina. False equivalence. Not hiring because of teh gay isn't the same as not killing babbies.
 
2014-07-02 04:29:43 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

"You are in violation of section X of your contract dated XXXX, 2014 which prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation in Federal funded contracts. We are, therefore, terminating you contract. You are mandated to return all funds within the next 30 days and will henceforth be barred from receiving future Federal funds.

Sincerely,

Barack H. Obama"

If the Dems ever found their spines on partisan issues, this would be a great way to dismantle the government funding of "faith-based initiatives".  But they won't, and the Hobby Lobby ruling is going to have far wider-reaching implications than anyone could foresee.

I've always said I don't think I'd ever renounce US citizenship, if I become a Canadian citizen.  Now, though, I'm starting to see a trend that may make it an attractive option.


Come on up. We have beer and bacon. You will have to start calling it "back bacon" though...
 
2014-07-02 04:30:12 PM  
oh my. who could have possibly foreseen this?
 
2014-07-02 04:30:14 PM  
The moment you give hateful idiots a gap in the door, they will break it down and crush you under the stampede.
 
2014-07-02 04:30:21 PM  

Skyrmion: You don't think the following language in Hobby Lobby  has preempted precisely this type of appeal and ruled it out?

"The principal dissent raises the possibility that discrimination in hiring, for example on the basis of race, might be cloaked as religious practice to escape legal sanction. Our decision today provides no such shield. The Government has a compelling interest in providing an equal opportunity to participate in the work-force without regard to race, and prohibitions on racial discrimination are precisely tailored to achieve that critical goal."

(Cross posted from the other thread)


I do not. Because when you make a ruling based on a general principle, but then say it doesn't apply in other cases, it's most likely the principle will be what future cases follow, not the limitation.

It's like Scalia's dissent in the gay marriage case. The court overruled DOMA, but didn't overrule all bans on gay marriage. Scalia correctly pointed out that despite them saying otherwise, the majority was in fact ripping up the whole idea of gay marriage bans.

Same thing here.
 
2014-07-02 04:30:35 PM  

Skyrmion: DamnYankees: exick: The day after the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking that he exempt them from a forthcoming executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people.

I'm glad I'm not the President because my response to such a request would be to send a letter on official presidential letterhead telling them all to eat shiat and die in a fire.

It's unclear based on Hobby Lobby why they wouldn't be successful in this appeal, though.

You don't think the following language in Hobby Lobby  has preempted precisely this type of appeal and ruled it out?

"The principal dissent raises the possibility that discrimination in hiring, for example on the basis of race, might be cloaked as religious practice to escape legal sanction. Our decision today provides no such shield. The Government has a compelling interest in providing an equal opportunity to participate in the work-force without regard to race, and prohibitions on racial discrimination are precisely tailored to achieve that critical goal."

(Cross posted from the other thread)


No, they didn't preempt precisely this type of appeal.  It only preempted an appeal based on race, not sexual orientation, gender, religion, nation of origin or anything other than race.
 
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